Weightloss and Menopause

all right everybody welcome back so today I am bringing you a topic that I swear to God all of you write in all the [ __ ] time pestering me to start talking about so here we are everyone I have brought on Dr Anna Garrett she is going to talk to us about param menopause and menopause and the reason why she's here is because she happens to be my doctor I reached out to her I don't know a few months ago I've been tired just like I I think just random symptoms and I kind of had done everything that I thought I could do on my own and really wanted to just bring someone on my personal a team who could help me just get my [ __ ] together see if I could get some more energy feel a little bit more inbalance and a little bit like my old self now I'm not trying to snow myself that I'm going to be feeling like my 30s again but I started noticing for me personally as an aype personality someone who has a lot of get up and go and can drag their sorry ass through life Kicking and Screaming to get things done I started having a real hard time with it like I started having where I needed days off I would have to sometimes cancel some meetings just start rep prioritizing things and I will tell all of you I'm very glad that I'm the kind of person that when I know something's out of whack I'm like so tune with myself I will pay attention to it and then I will go to work on solving it and then I also I like for all of you to hear what I said when I really started noticing I couldn't do like I used to the first thing I did was start cutting back some stuff without a lot of guilt and shame sometimes I felt a little bad about it but not every time sometimes I was just like this is what we got today and we're going to have to roll with it so I got recommended to Dr Garrett through um somebody else who's been on the podcast uh Lisa Smith from the peaceful parent she was interviewing me for her podcast and she was like I keep hearing you in the membership bitching and moaning about how tired you are you've got to call her I will recommend her 100% so uh I'm G to let her introduce herself and give her a more formal introduction but uh I just wanted to all of you to know that the reason why she's here is because I wouldn't bring someone on the podcast that I didn't trust that didn't think could give us some good advice and that's why she's here all right tell us tell us all about yourself Dr Garrett and you'll be call like I don't I don't even call you Anna I don't think I call you anything when we talk how would you like to be called Dr Anna why don't you just call me Anna okay well and that's you know my mama's name is Anna so that's hilar oh I didn't know that oh yeah spelled just the same yeah I'm I'm Dr Anna on the internet but um I don't like it when people call me Dr ER because it just sounds like well I will call you that will be super easy well I don't like when people call me ma'am I'm like look please are we already in that land but we're Southern so we kind of have to just sort of roll with it yes we do well tell them all about you um so I am a doctor of Pharmacy by training um and I have been for more years than I I did the math on that not too long ago and I I was horrified so and I have had this business since um 2011 okay and so before I got into this I I've worked in a lot of different practice settings in Pharmacy but my last real job as I put it was as a manager at our local hospital and one of my responsibilities was running our employee wellness program and in that program I um did Health coaching I personally did the health coaching uh and so completed a coaching certification and I had planned to go start a business that was just coaching women in midlife because that's a time when a lot of us are trying to figure out who the hell we are and what we're doing next and I was Square in the middle of it so but then I was like you know what it took me six years to get this Pharmacy degree and it's really stupid for me to walk away from that and so I have a friend who's compounding pharmacist in Durham North Carolina and so I went and spent the day with her and she was doing horn consultations and helping people get back on track men and women and by the time I left I was like that's the missing piece I'm putting these things together and Dr Anna was born so there you go that's the quick and dirty well that's amazing because um before we even started this podcast we were kind of joking around about um my take on menopause for a long time which I still believe all of you I still totally believe this that uh a lot of us want to blame our weight gain blame a lot of things on menopause when we actually have all these other things that we can control going on our going on in our lives and one of the things I've Loved about working with you is you know when we first started talking like you you've taken a really slow approach to giving me like I haven't even started taking any kind of like supplements yet but the first thing you said is like it seemed like you're really stressed out uh when are you going to be able to cut back some of this stuff because we can't just throw pills at everything and so we were talking about that before we came on and I just really respect that because I think that with you having a pharmacy background it would be really easy I mean I'm sure it'd be really easy to try to fix a lot of things with pills but only so much with our hormones can be right right and so you know the latest thing I did was uh get a functional medicine certification and in that CER ification we're looking for root causes of things we're not trying to replace you know a pill for a supplement because I mean basically you're just doing the same thing you're just using something different um so and this is my opinion um I I think stress is the root cause of hormone imbalance for almost all women um and we have managed to talk ourselves into believing that the level of stress we exper experience is normal but our bodies are not getting that message and our bodies are much smarter than we are and so at some point your body just goes well [ __ ] this [ __ ] you know we're just gonna revolt and when you start taking care of us we will uh we'll respond and we'll get back to normal and so any symptoms that people experience really are just your body's cry for help and um you can pay attention or you cannot and so a lot of women um really really get thrown off their game in as they go through menopause um and and a lot of them don't have anybody to talk to about it and that's part of the problem there's been so much shame and you know hiding you know behind menopause and um we we need to talk about it and we need more people talking about it than like gwenneth paltro and Oprah and you know now all of a sudden it's a celebrity thing to talk about which is great um but you know not not all of those people have any sort of medical background to really kind of put all the pieces together and look at the research and come up with a plan well I love that you said the root cause because that's how I teach the weight loss side of it is that um you know most of us don't need tons of macro counting and calorie counting and all this other stuff you clean up the root cause which is usually for most women they are stress eaters yeah it is like it manifest there and you know when you're in menopause and you're your body's already going under stuff and you're chronically stressed I think one of the early signs for most of us that something is going on is our stress eating picks up now it feels like we're constantly craving sugar we're constantly looking for an energy fix um we can't settle down at night without food like for a lot of my people that's one of like they can't unwind at night because they're so used to pressure pressure pressure pressure the only way to shut it down is with food so I loved how you said like your body will only take so much and then it starts crying Uncle it needs help and a early smoke signal for all of you especially people listening to my podcast is overeating is usually the symptom of something going on on the inside of your brain it's I'm people pleasing I'm saying yes to everyone I have a ton of shs that I I should be doing this I should be a better mother I should have a cleaner house you know every towel should be perfectly folded like whatever that crap is we put all this pressure on ourselves and overeating is a huge indicator you've got a problem so let's talk about hormonal changes that do happen to women as we start entering this midlife what are the things that are happening to us so just for your listeners Perry min can start like as early as your mid-30s and you know most women just go I'm too young for that and um so the first thing that happens is your progesterone starts to fall and it doesn't it falls because you're not ovulating every month unless you're Karan and you can be 49 and UL we we keep joking that my my ovaries are still cranking it out it's like are you sure you don't want any more like I'm sure and so um that lack of progesterone does a couple of things first of all it can cause new anxiety and it can cause new insomnia and mood swings and fatigue um those are the some of the most common things and then the other half of that is that estrogen is running your running the show in your body all month um and that's where the weight gain comes from because estrogen's job in your body is to make tissues grow so uterine lining um breast tissue uh weight gain and then when you gain weight your fat cells make their own estrogen so that just compounds the problem and so the the real issue is that estrogen to progest imbalance then you add in increasing rates of um sluggish thyroid because there's an an epidemic of undiagnosed hypothyroidism in this country and 80% of that's in women and then you are more likely to become insulin resistant the older you get which means that your cells don't take up glucose as well as they should for fuel um and your body has to crank out insulin and that also is associated with weight gain and then there's our friend cortisol which um just gets cranked out if you're chronically stressed and so your insulin and your cortisol have to balance each other out and so it's it's really a cycle and it's really hard to like pluck one thing out of that combination and say oh this is the thing and this is why I like doing the testing that we did because we can identify a lot of things there and then I also do blood work that can look at thyroid and insulin levels and um an insulin level is much more likely to uncover unfolding insulin resistance before your blood sugar starts to get out of whack so it it's just it's like hormones soup um but to me the the real underlying cause yes you'll stop ovulating but if you're not chronically stressed um the likelihood is that your estrogen will start to fall in in conjunction with your progesterone and you won't have this just flood of estrogen every month so it just keeps coming back to you know the one thing most of us when we're in param menopause and menopause and correct me if I'm wrong the one thing we've got some control over is our Stress Management like really understanding like how we think about ourselves because the way that I approach Stress Management is like you're never going to do the massaging and the uh the baths and like all the traditional self-care none of that can get done if the entire time you're thinking uh you're selfish right you don't have time that someone's someone's suffering while you're taking care of yourself like to me the first level of Stress Management is getting your mind management onl abut really untangling that okay so that is something we can we can start working on immediately whether or not we can hire a doctor to look at us or not well right and and so many of us can't set boundaries around anything you know you feel like you have to say yes to everything and everybody and I'm like I got over that a long time ago and the older you get the better you get at that you know the disease to please kind of goes away and you hit menopause and you have zero [ __ ] left to give basically so damn truth I was telling somebody this the other day I remember who I was talking to it was like a younger person I think it was um I was at my event in one of my younger um members my my members they go go from like literally 22 years old to I think our oldest member right now is like in her mid 80s like just a great combination though oh it really is it's it's awesome to see because they give like they're always giving each other advice and stuff and I was talking to this young girl and I said something about well wait till you're my age because you just don't have any [ __ ] to give and she's like what's gonna happen to me I'm in my 30s and I don't have [ __ ] to get well then she's in good shape yeah I was just like well Welcome to our club you get early admittance um well tell me like tell them a little bit more about the test I did like I like because you mentioned the test I took the Dutch test it's like I would just I'm gonna tell everyone there was a lot of pen and cups and there was a lot of putting cotton in your mouth and I have to thank Chris Crabtree because there was a lot of timing and you had to take notes and I am not detail oriented and so Chris literally was the manager of the whole process well and sometimes it takes that um or you know you set your alarm on your phone but we did we did the highest level of testing for you because you had told me in our initial conversation that your stress level was really high and so I wanted to make sure that we got a really clear picture of what your cortisol was doing because that was a really important thing I thought was going to come up and as it turns out it was um but the Dutch test looks at your sex hormones so your estrogen your progesterone your testosterone um it looks at the way your body handles those hormones and whether they're being eliminated effectively um because if they're not there are things that we can do to make sure that that is happening and then we do the Deep dive into your cortisol um and then some of your vitamin markers so um I started this business before the Dutch test actually existed um but I find it to you know give just an amazing wealth of information that I can then take I mean it like it doesn't do thyroid specifically but I can look at some cortisol things and go you know what we probably need to get some blood work to have a look at that um but I I can sit down with it and say okay we need to address this area and this area and you know one of the things about being a coach too is I can meet people where they are um because some people want to go really slowly and they get overwhelmed very easily and then other people are like just give it all to me because I'm ready to go so um you know we talk about all all that and the approach you want to take and obviously we can't do it but so fast because we do have to time it around your cycle if you're still having regular Cycles so um yeah that's my that's my go-to test but I have a whole laundry list of things that can be added like a gut health test because that's a really important component of um Hormone Health too but you didn't tell me anything that made me think oh gut health so yeah um that's what that's what that initial call is for is just to kind of figure out okay what are going to be our best strategies to figure out what's going on with the unique person yeah and what I what I want to tell all of you is uh because I think sometimes there's a lot of Shame for women when they just can't do it on their own anymore and for me in particular I I'm really glad I don't have shame on that but that's only because for years since I was a teenager I've either been in therapy I've seen psych psychiatrists I have had meds in my lifetime for depression I I like talk about zero [ __ ] to give I gave all that away a long time ago because my my most important thing that I can do for me is just try to have the best life I can and if that means reaching out for help but I will tell you this last year I've I've talked to you about it but when I started feeling so run down I had to pull apart why this year has been extraordinarily harder on me than other times knowing I do get coaching like I talk to all of my listeners all the time like one of the benefits of joining our membership is you get access to life coaches who you know like we're working on your weight but we know that your weight is a symptom of what goes on in your life and if we work on your life weight will come along for the ride I it didn't matter how much coaching I was getting it didn't it just I could not get caught up anymore my I felt like my stress levels had just between my husband being notos with cancer buying a restaurant and remodeling it all year we moved into a new house and and like doing all the construction we do here um I had a lot of business stuff happen this year things that you know I have three businesses now I used to only have one just you name it my mother had surgery and lived here for six weeks and God loved my mother but you know when you're taking care of someone who can't use an arm you know I'm not used to bathing a grown ass woman nor her dog not your mother yes you know and like just there was so much that happened this year I just couldn't it's like it it felt like there was not going to be any end in sight in terms of like can I can can I realistically outthink this problem now and that's what I felt like at when I called you was like I this is not just me outthinking my stress anymore something's got to be going on and so tell me if I'm right or wrong but for a lot of our women sometimes they need to take these extra steps especially if they're battling the cortisol issue because if it feel it just feels like to me it just it's like my body doesn't know how to turn it off anymore does that even make sense or I just no but that that is true so what happens is your body will continue to respond and respond and respond to to stress and your cortisol levels will be high all the time time but then your adrenal glands are communicating with your brain and it it's a feedback loop and So eventually your body is going to shut down that cortisol production because it's not supposed to be chronically high and when you go in the other direction then you can't get out of the bed and so you know pick your pois and put your life under a microscope and do some stuff about it or figure you're going to end up on the couch cuz that's what's going to happen well and that's kind of where I was feeling like I was getting to I didn't feel like I was going backwards in terms of depression but I literally I've not felt this way in ages where I I like there were just days where like I would go out for a walk I walk every day I talk to my best friend and there would three out of seven walks a week I would tell her I am so winded like this walk's killing me like it it's like everything in my body weighed more than it normally does like I felt like I was dragging something along behind me and when I get to where I'm running out of steam to just function like that's where I feel like I was getting to like I felt like my body was shutting down but I couldn't I also for all of you for me personally I was getting it's almost like my I felt like my brain was getting addicted to being stressed out like it needed that to keep going and so I was getting caught up everything was a catastrophe everything seemed so much more magnified problems that I probably would have faced last year this year seemed so much worse like it just felt like I don't know it just I I've never run into this until this year and so I just I'm assuming it's just the perfect storm of stressors hormonal changes all of it's coming together at a perfect head and I think a lot of women go through this well and so like you told me the other day you know you've ticked every box on the you know list of ultimate stressors and you know we discovered that your cortisol production was was low um so now you know you've told me that you're you've gotten some of the work stuff done you get to take a little break we're going to do some things to support your body you're going to up your protein um and you know we tweak it as as we go along but it's a process I mean you didn't get here in a couple of weeks you got here over a long period of time and it takes time to get back to the other side as well and so that's why um my preference is to work with people for six months because then we have a chance to develop a relationship and really work on some things um but like I'm talking to somebody this afternoon who unless she tells me something different I don't think she needs six months so I'll design you know a program that is different than what I normally offer for people but um yeah um it's all just digging in and and looking around and what what can you get rid of what are your absolute yeses because everything can't be um and with the holidays coming you know here we go you know you get to be the Christmas fairy and uh you know you and I were talking about your Christmas decorations that are already up outside your window back there that Karen did not do I just want everybody to know I know I did bring someone in I was we having help we were having Christmas over Thanksgiving so everything had to go up a little early this year and um I you know like my husband's definitely not going to do it but we brought someone in to to put things up so that my family we could all do it on Thanksgiving together but um well let's talk about you mentioned I'm going to be eating more protein which I would bet my people are like what because they know I I've always talked about being a mearian yeah I love it but even me y'all I have gotten kind of low on my protein and as much as I lift weights I one of the important things I told her was like I get worried that as I get older I'm going to lose muscle mass and which is common for women to lose muscle mass we lose bone we we don't lift near enough I lift a lot but I watched um my mom is pretty weak but I watched two grandmothers um who never lifted weights one of which was a tough old bird I mean she could have she probably could have been an M fighter if she wanted to be and by the time she was in her late 60s she had a hunchback she wasn't strong anymore I'd never seen my grandmother frail and it was terrible to see a strong independent woman like her switch to being frail and then my other grandmother has a hump also never lifted weights either so I was telling Anna that it was really important to me I I I want to be a strong woman all the way through my life so can you talk to us about like is there technically a best way to eat in midlife like can we just kind because I know my people are like can we just talk about the food now I'm not here to talk about food um so protein is important for the reasons you just mentioned but it's also one of the foundational building blocks of healing adrenal health and so you've got to have enough protein on board and there's some other nutrients and we we've covered all those bases for you um but as your estrogen declines your bone mass and D your bone density starts to decline really really rapidly okay and um fractures are the number one reason that women get admitted to nursing homes I don't know about you but I'm not going to the nursing home I'm not either well I if I end up I want to go to a facility that someone will care for me yes one day yes but I don't want it to be because I you know slipped on something like because that's I think that's one of my big fears I watched um I've watched so many women that in my family and even women in my own membership who in their 60s and 70s a small slip turns into a life altering event my grandmother in Alabama right now has that problem like she fell a year ago and she can't leave her house now well and a lot of people that have like fractured hips die within a year of of having that fracture um so that is something that is definitely preventable and if you're a little skinny white woman um and you smoke or you did smoke or you've taken um steroids for some other condition you are at very high risk of having osteoporosis and so what I tell people is go get your bone density scan when you're 50 so you've got a baseline of um of what your bone density looks like if you have gone through early menopause go earlier because that bone density is going to decline like crazy and so you know I have a an awful U family history of breast cancer in the women in my family but um because I wasn't sleeping and because I don't want to have osteoporosis because I do have osteopenia I made the decision to go on estrogen estrogen replacement which helps both of those things um weightlifting is definitely uh one of the best things that you can do um like and you're on testosterone replacement so that helps with bone bone strength and muscle mass so you're killing two birds with one stone so uh you know a lot of women think going on hormone replacement is like giving in or giving up um because they think they should just be able to do this themselves but why not protect that quality of life that that you want and give your body what it needs all throughout your lifespan and and that's a whole another conversation about should I be on estrogen replacement or should I not um because there's a lot of fear around that it's like estrogen causes breast cancer well no it doesn't um so that you know you and I could go on for days about that tell them about fiber because I can't remember exactly what you told me but so when we were talking about me definitely getting my protein up some which I'm down with and then the other you wanted me to get 25 to 30 gram of fiber and you know I eat vegetables every day y'all but I'm going to tell you I was real honest with it I was like I doubt I'm even getting close I mean right and I feel like I would be a classical healthy eater like if you were to if you just I mean like even this week I'm eating stuffed Pano peppers with you know chicken and you know like some there's some quinoa in there and then you take my lunch which is a big ass salad but I mean other than that I'm eating yogurt for breakfast I'm like there's just no way I'm getting plenty of this stuff so the average American takes in like 18 to 20 grams of fiber a day if they're you know doing a pretty good job um the fiber is more about keeping things running through your GI tract so that your estrogen is eliminated effectively um because estrogen is eliminated in bile movements so that's what the the fiber is really all about out is making sure that your hormones are moving on through because if they don't they get recirculated and can can become more toxic as they're recirculated so I think that was the part that I was fascinated by that I I just honestly didn't know because I don't know a lot about this stuff that like the more that you eliminate like if you can like push things through then your those hormones like they get pushed through there I don't know where I thought they went but I did not realize it was going through the the Coen but so let me just see if I if this is you tell me if I'm right or wrong the way I'm hearing you like a lot of my clients are like I was 100 pounds overweight um you know all the things so if you if you have if you have a lot of estring you have a lot of fat cells and then you so you got all this extra estrogen going on if you will clean up a little bit of your food like get more fiber in like add some fiber rich stuff I think you recommended that I get aaia I'm going to yeah I'm adding that to my breakfast um but that elimination will be getting some of those a lot of that estrogen out like it will just it should Aid in your weight loss correct yeah because you don't want that estrogen recirculating because then it's just contributing to any issues with estrogen dominance and estrogen dominance means that your estrogen's higher than your progesterone and we don't want that um and it also helps any toxins that you're exposed to so pesticides that may be on your food or in your environment um fiber helps keep that moving out too so um your liver is doing part of the detox your GI system is doing part of the detox so that's why I said gut health is so important um in the context of hormones because uh there is an enzyme that can basically unpackage estrogen that's supposed to be eliminated and let it recirculate and that is if you have poor gut health so um there's just there's so much to it and it's just fascinating and people are probably their eyes maybe glazing over now I think I think that I think a lot of my people are going to find it fascinating um if you were to give them just a bottom line summary of what we've talked about what can they do for themselves at this point like you know I think I'm in param menopause or in menopause or I know I am and I mean for lack of a better word I feel like I can't get my [ __ ] together with my health whether that's my weight my energy or whatever like what would you say if you don't do anything do these few things um exercise because that will improve your brain health it improves your overall mood it helps you maintain your muscle mass it helps you maintain your bone health um I mean I could go on all day about about exercise and it doesn't have to be like I hate going to the gym so I'm not going to do that it can be like go out and kayak um go out and take a walk uh go out in the woods because Forest bathing is like great for your mood and you're walking at the same time um so it can be simple things things like that and then make sure that you're getting good quality sleep so um again this is a whole another podcast um so when you don't sleep you you put yourself at risk for all kinds of chronic illnesses so especially deep sleep and insomnia is one of the things that shows up in per menopause so that's when you start need to start thinking about okay I may need to get some help with this so I I wear an aura ring and yeah the aura ring twins yes and it's really um it's been eye opening for me to see how little deep sleep I got before I went on the estrogen patches and then how much deep sleep I get now that I am on them so it's made a made a big difference because I'm a data girl you know I like to I like to see what I'm doing um what else make sure you clean up your gut uh if you're having diarrhea bloating that kind of stuff then your gut health is not clean it needs help um and just don't suffer I mean there's help out there and I know a lot of people think oh you know my doctor says he can't he or she can't do anything for me um well that's because they aren't trained in how to do hormone management and they're not trained in how to manage gut health so be willing to look outside the box um because there are people out there that can help you it could be a chiropractor could be somebody like me it could be a naturopath I mean there's a whole world of of alternative practitioners that can be super helpful well I love the simple things that you gave them because like walking to me is probably it's the one thing that I always do uh this month inside of our membership I just started walking with my members I just said hey we're going to do a mile a day and you know and I told him I said honestly I don't even get a mile every day but I get out I'm getting out every day I I tell them like this does not have to be a perfectionism Olympics either there are like tomorrow I've got a um I've already told them this morning when I I post every day about my daily reflection and this was my walk this is what I'm doing today and just I try to teach them of something and I was telling them that tomorrow I'm getting a cool peel on my face because like I'm trying to like keep this face looking young as as fast as I can and it starts at 8 a am I was like y'all I'm going to be real honest the walk won't happen tomorrow but the leg lift will it's like I had to make a choice am I lifting legs or am I walking tomorrow and I just try to always tell them like I like to move every single day in some way I do like it is so good for my mental health it's now it's a h especially since I broke this habit of thinking like workouts have to happen a certain way it's like I do this because I want to be the kind of person who moves moves for the rest of their life on the first day I started losing weight I that's what I said I want to be someone who moves every day and that meant walking it could be lifting it could mean a lot of different things and then the other thing that you talked about that I wanted to tell everyone is I also have the aura ring I find it fascinating deep sleep is the hardest one for me to get and when when I watch it it's O you for anybody who's interested when I watch mine on the nights that I don't get deep sleep it's almost always because I atat dinner a little later than I normally do there's always like there's some kind of factor at play and what I want to say to all of you is it's real easy for us to think well if I'm going to work on my hormones then I'm going like I know what y'all are thinking then I can't have then I don't get to I won't be able to I'll have to give up we are not trying to tell y'all a thousand one things to give up and you do not need to be a perfectionist on this you've got to open your mind to the idea of there are lots of little things that you can control and you can try and you can do get you some improvements because I promise you if you start feeling a little better you might be more willing to do a few things instead of thinking it's a big fat punishment well and what I tell people is if they can just kind of stay at a 30,000 foot level and look at their body as a lab and just do some experiments with huh let's see how I sleep if I don't drink alcohol for a couple of days or let's see if I move my dinner time up by an hour how does that affect how I feel the next day and just will be willing to be curious yeah because it doesn't have to be a slog no and there's nothing like I mean you tell me but I feel like there's nothing set in stone on all this either there's lots of things to do and lots of things to try and what will work for one person might not work for another it really is it's just like the way I teach weight loss it's was like yeah there's these four basics but there's a lot of nuances and we're going to teach you all the nuances on the inside of the program and we're going to keep playing with things until you feel like this works for your lifestyle right this fits in with you and when you start feeling better you have your magic combination and that's all we're really looking for and I ask people you know do when I talk to them initially do you have any lines in the sand that you're not willing to cross you know are you don't tell me that you're gonna give up drinking wine if you're not going to because that's not helpful for you or me exactly yeah you were so good about asking me that and now I'm one of those people that's like I'll try anything like I literally there's I I have taught myself I think because when I weighed 250 I thought I had a lot of lines in the sand there was so much about my life I would have swore like I'll always eat this way I'll need ice cream every night like there were a thousand things that I would have said back then are my non-negotiables but as I felt better as I started changing how I thought about myself a lot of my lines started disappearing I started really realizing I don't want any lines in the sand I want to try a lot of things first I want to figure out like the way I like to think about it is I don't draw a line in the sand until after I've tried something if I've tried something and it didn't work or I really didn't like it now I know I don't like to be the person who predetermines their lines before they even try something you know but that's where the Curiosity comes in exactly I'm willing to just be curious about my body and what what makes a difference and what doesn't yeah all right well tell them where they can find you because I'm sure they're going to they're be like where's your magic doctor um so my website is Dr Anna Garrett two RS and 2.com um and I have a quiz on there where you can uh have a little it's like I don't think it's 15 or 16 questions and it'll sort of stratify you as to where you might be in the per a pause process um and then you can also download a uh the first chapter of my book for free um my book is has is called Perry menopause The Savvy sisters guide to hormone Harmony and you know it's it's an easy read it's written for people that don't have a medical background and it'll give you some great ideas about where you can start to help yourself all right well there you go everyone thank you for coming on and talking to all this stuff yeah thanks for having me all right y'all have a good week I'll talk to you soon

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Length: 42min 1sec (2521 seconds)

Published: Fri Dec 29 2023