We Drive a Tesla Model 3 vs Nissan Leaf Up a MOUNTAIN to See Which is More Efficient! Thrifty 3 Ep.4

[Music] hey you would Google drag race no no let's just do it come on be fun we'll both use full power you know we'll just go the speed limit here it's 55 so we won't exceed that so let's just go 55 when this light turns [Music] all right Tommy I've got a really great idea for this episode of the thrifty three and I think this is something I've never seen anybody do yet so in the back space of our offices I have the Tesla charged up to exactly 236 miles of range 236 yeah and there's a reason for that and that is because parked right in front of it is the new extended range leaf the leaf plus and that one is charged fully to 236 miles of range as well okay so we've got two electric cars all be very different but at the same range reading yeah exactly they're both charged up to 236 miles of range and of course we're at about 50 350 400 feet of elevation here in Boulder and I thought it'd be really fun to drive them to the top of Loveland Pass and see which one uses the most power or which one uses the most range and then driving back down to the offices to see which one regenerates the more the most now I know that they're very different in some ways the leaf is front-wheel drive our Tesla is all-wheel drive the Tesla has much more range but nevertheless I think this is a really good test of which electric car is more efficient okay so that would be I looked it up seventy seven point one miles from our offices to the top of Loveland Pass which is an elevation gain of about 6,500 feet because that's at eleven thousand nine hundred so 77 miles one way so 154 there and back so so this both should have 82 miles of range we get back yeah but to get there it's straight up a mountain well I was y'all so okay we'll start here Boulder right so let's put that Boulder which is where we're at oh it's hard to write like that Boulder okay you forgot the art okay now go to go that we drive to golden which used to be by the way the capital of the state of Colorado yeah so there's golden okay and then now we're gonna get on i-70 and drive straight up so you gotta go straight up that's I 70 then we goes down a little bit of Genesee just a little bit that goes back yeah and then it goes straight a little bit and then you get to okay stop right there and you go straight up okay and that's lovely pass up there okay so that's kind of how it works Loveland Loveland Pat's okay so we'll drive from Boulder up by 70 all the way to Loveland Pass and see exactly how many miles of range they use that's the mountain by the way I see that yes that's about and then we'll drive back out and see how many miles of range the region and in the process we can also then try out the differences between Tesla's autopilot and what does the leaf tap be a pro pilot assist which is to kind of sort of self-driving systems that help guide you along the way in the highway and keep you within your lane and accelerating properly so we'll see how the tech works in both of the cars the magic in this car is now I'm in Sport Plus traction control off you guys need wondering why don't we do this at the drag strip Bend America because it's closed so we got to doing here at IMI Motorsports all right all right Tommy this is pretty cool right you've got fuel economy dug up here and the government of course rates the fuel economy of cars and the way that their rate electric cars is by something called mpge which means miles per gallon equivalent and the combined number for the Tesla is 116 and the combined number for the leaf is 104 and it's kind of confusing so what's important about this so the number you need to pay attention to is right down here this little tiny number so even though our Tesla is the all wheel drive version which means we have two electric motors instead of the one in the leaf yeah it's still more efficient than the leaf according to the EPA so the Tesla uses 29 kilowatt hours per 100 miles and the leaf uses 32 kilowatt hours per 100 miles yeah and if you look at these numbers once again it's 116 for the Tesla 120 City 112 highway the leaf is 104 combined 114 City 94 Highway and once again that's MPGe ready so if I go to Tesla yeah check this out if I do the long-range your wheel drive yeah it's actually even more efficient so we don't even have the most efficient Tesla right now but it's still more efficient than the leaf so this is the this is the rear-wheel drive single motor at 130 mpge yeah or 26 kulit hours per 100 miles what do you think our numbers are gonna be when we get back down here I mean you know they both have 236 how much range is gonna be in each of them so ideally they'd have about 80 miles left I don't think they will because you're not gonna regenerate as much coming down yeah you're gonna use a lot going up the hill just a ton I'm gonna guess 60 60 in the Tesla and 40 in the leaf that's my guess 16 of Tesla 40 in the leaf I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go I'm gonna go 70 in the Tesla yeah and 30 in the leaf 30 yeah I'm gonna say we're gonna almost be at you I'm gonna say we're almost gonna be out of juice and leave I'm gonna say we're gonna be struggling to get the leaf back to the office without running out of juice even though it says right now on that leave to 36 we're gonna struggle to get that thing back here okay all right let's see happens here the only question that remains which one do you want to drive a little inch a drug of course Tommy took the tests up that's fine I'll take the leaf if it doesn't snow we're good because I've got front-wheel drive and you've got all-wheel drive [Music] as you can tell someone is shooting us so Ian our videographer is gonna go half the way up with me and half the way up with you so that we distribute the extra weight in both cars what about okay couple other things yeah what about who's going first let's go to golden you go first yep and then from golden I'll go first okay and then about halfway up yeah I by Taito Springs you go ahead of me again okay so we'll switch off who's going first what are you setting your climate control to I'm going to just have mine at 68 okay 68 I'll do the same thing 68 and we'll use air conditioning just so we have that equally and then the most important thing is the Tesla just automatically regens right yeah but the leaf doesn't so I'm gonna set my it's called the ebrake I'm gonna turn it on so that it's in full regen mode the whole time [Music] all right so one caveat now I do have two buttons here I've got the e panel which increases regenerative braking and I've got a button called eco but if I have eco it gives me 250 miles versus 236 miles which is extended range take some of the power away but since we didn't charge the Tesla up to 250 miles it would be unfair to put this into eco mode so the Tesla doesn't have any special mode it just has its regular mode so we're gonna keep the econ button off we are going to engage the e brake which in the Tesla we also have to attach settings every time they're breaking and that's probably a good thing because in Eco mode this thing is super slow doesn't give you a heck of a lot of power if we start running out of energy before we get back to Boulder for whatever reason then I may actually have to go to evil mode all right so let's talk about the charging network now Tussle of course has its national actually international chain a supercharger so you can go and quickly recharge that Tesla in Boulder there's actually a super charging station in Silverthorne which is right where we're going right well very close to Loveland Pass now with the leaf here on my display I've got charging station so I can hit those and it shows me all the different charging stations I can filter based on the kind I want I can do quick charge stations free ones open 24 hours so like payment type I don't know for instance if somebody's at the Nissan dealership charging right now whereas in the Tesla on the app you can tell not only somebody's using the supercharger but in fact how many cars are using usually around six to eight days at each supers charging station that's really cool this a little bit more let's call it oh by not as efficient as a tesla national network [Music] [Laughter] [Music] [Laughter] [Music] hey you want a little drag race no no let's just do it come on be fun well both use full power you know we'll just go the speed limit here it's 55 so we won't exceed that so let's just go 55 when this light turns okay how much power you got left now we just live in Boulder 23 I got 226 left whoa whoa I got more than you do here we go yeah I'll give it all the beans just to the speed limit all right I'll see it 55 - it's about the turn let's buy the turn green you know we don't have a chase vehicle here so if we run out of juice we're in trouble [Music] Tesla well the good news is we blow the people behind us away the bad news is you are out like you shadow like a rocket and I you know I could barely keep up with you and you cannot fall asleep because I got out first and you still blasted past me Wow so I'm a 224 now after that how about you G 22 and you know what else we forgot to do let's bring our charges with us yeah yeah that was please that was pretty stupid well for instance a Tesla has an adapter right which we don't have so I can use other or you could use other stations oh yeah okay at least we have the adapter I can't do anything I gotta use just to charge pork stations on this guy well there we go guys real world testing we're flying without a safety net oh my oh my oh my but you know what that's also real-world people forget the charges at home all the time [Music] it's pretty funny we're pulling into a gas station we don't need gas we do need a little bit of fuel for our bodies so maybe while gas stations won't be as prevalent in the future for gassing up they'll still be necessary for gassing up the human body versus the car okay so there's the highway that's i-70 so that's going to be pretty much straight up from here and how much rains you have left so the Tesla says I have 200 miles of range left you know what the lease says I have 200 miles left - so they're pretty spot on with each other yeah they're pretty spot on the question is how much will we burn going up the mountain so you can see right here I am at 65 percent range and you can see based on our trip as we keep going up the mountain I should be a 37% we are currently averaging 272 watt hours per mile over the past 30 or so miles so yeah it's been a little stressful so I know how electric cars don't need a driveshaft especially if they're front-wheel drive to go to the rear wheels yep and you know when you don't have a driveshaft you don't have that kind of tunnel in the middle of the backseat yeah well look look at this yeah there's a hump I don't have a hump oh and I have all-wheel drive no hump for a front-wheel drive car I got something a muscle establishes a hump yeah but I don't have something you have you've got a front Yeah right show them the front by the way stupid ass work you have a front trunk here's my front [Music] you plug it in yeah that's where I plug it in huh and there's a big big power unit yeah a lot of orange cables there's a 12-volt you know obviously there's the big power generator and motor front-wheel drive yeah yeah but no no storage in here now I do have some very important information on my screen here we have 47 miles left to go and you can see right now we're at 64% battery just getting on the highway and we should have 37% at the top of Loveland Pass I did set it into the navigation system that's pretty scary 37% seemed like a pretty small percentage the Tesla knows where you are and it knows what terrain you're on so I just zoomed in to this graph a little bit and you can see the steep downhill curve run right now on this steep section of i-70 so here comes our first big downhill yes that's good yeah we have a chance hopefully to regen some power now keep in mind guys we have to do the speed limit we're not exceeding the speed limit and through much of this speed limit is 65 to 70 depending on what stretch of road right yeah I mean and we're not you know Jack rabbiting the start over also you know not hypermiling so it's pretty pretty regular driving and I'll buy mine says I'm regenerating a lot I'm basically a full region going down this hill oh that's good I've got a while to go I've got a lot more region capability I think really so let's see mine says 162 let's see if it gives you more by the time we get to the bottom of the hill okay all right foot 162 how about you what are you at 176 whoa gosh dang it I dropped a lot Tommy I'm still at 176 the mighty elite is the Legion master of this contest just wanna see um that was our first little bitty test what happens on the way back down okay all right Ducky's to fight fight this model tree has something that is really really cool and it is this consumption page now what you're looking at is a graph that is essentially showing how much power I'm using and how much power I'm putting back into the battery over time so you can see that this big scary red orange section means that I use a lot of power out here on the highway and this fun little green section means that I actually put some power back into the battery going down a downhill stretch so it alternates between red and green depending on how you're driving and I can even shorten the time scale here so you can see in the last five miles I had one big peak where I almost hit nine hundred watt hours per mile but then put a lot back over 300 watt hours per mile during this little stretch here so it's really fun to watch it's really cool to look at and this number right here is important we've been averaging 275 watt hours per mile over the last 30 miles of the lower I can get that number the better because it means I'm driving more efficiently and it also means that the terrain is flattening out a little bit so we're cruising along the highway here I think it's time to deploy the Tesla's party trick that of course is a autopilot it was a $3,000 option but it does some really cool stuff now the first thing that this Tesla will do is if I pull the stock down once it will engage in adaptive cruise control system that will keep me at a constant distance away from the car in front of me and I can accelerate and decelerate it here with this little knob on the steering wheel that's pretty standard what's cool about this one is it will take you down to a complete stop and then it'll speed you back up but the really cool part about autopilot something called auto steer now to engage auto steer I pull down on the stock twice a little blue icon shows on the display and now the car is keeping me within the lane it's looking at the late markers on the left and the right using the cameras on the outside it can monitor where I am in the lane and steer to actively keep me in the lane now here's what's important and this is a little bit confusing it's called autopilot but it's not really autopilot because I still have to pay attention to the road and I still have to keep my hands on the steering wheel and actively drive now what does that mean I can take the hit my hands off the steering wheel here and the car will drive and it'll be happy but after a certain amount of time it'll ask me to put my hands back on the steering wheel and if I refuse to do so it will actually make me take control of the car and then even lock you out of out of an auto steer altogether so it's not quite as simple as just you know letting the car do it sing but what is nice is I can take my right hand to press it at the base of the steering wheel I'm still in control of the car the car still knows I'm here paying attention but it will keep me in the middle of the lane and keep me headed down the road where I need to go let's go ahead and do a little test and see how long the car will drive on autopilot by itself before it asks me to retake control or give it a steering input so I'm going to engage it we're doing the speed limit and now take my hands off two-one thousand three-one decease I'm a drunk my movie of this seven eight twenty nine thirty okay here we go apply a light force to the steering wheel then it will start flashing blue up here which means I have to put my hands on the steering wheel and let it know that I'm still here still paying attention and still driving so it's not quite a total self driving system actually it's pretty far from the total self driving system if the road for example if the markings are worn down the car will freak out and it won't know what to do and then I will say please take action and then you have to drive manually but it is great on road trips like this because I can just be cruising along paying attention to the road have one hand on the steering wheel but the car is still driving for me [Music] well this is the next steep part we're past Georgetown final steep part that I have down to a hundred of 30 miles of range and then 151 wow man it's just going down I think I would be down to like half the battery's probably talking to myself a little bit more more what percentage are you at right now 63 percent 63 gotcha yeah 63 down to 128 miles it's really terrifying to watch this go down so fast [Music] okay so just pulled off the highway we're right by the Loveland Ski Resort and it is straight up to the top of Loveland Pass or the Continental Divide here in Colorado so we're at 40 percents of battery left in the Tesla it says at the top we should be down to 36% we'll see if that spot on but it's gonna be one steep ride from here on up [Music] okay here comes the summit we are way up here three minutes away 1.2 miles to the summit of Loveland Pass and we are currently sitting at 37% it says will be at 36 when you get up there so really impressed with how accurate this will be today guys this is gonna be a real nail-biter when I started up Loveland Pass I had just over 50% battery now that we're approaching the top I'm down to 47% battery and 82 miles of range keep in mind it's 77 miles to get from here back to Boulder and I'm at 82 miles of range so hopefully I'm gonna regen a lot of power on the way down or I'm gonna have to hit the eco button and hopefully get a little bit more range or I'm going to turn the heater off to get more range we're almost to the top but gosh [Music] now according to my navigation I would be at 36% range by the time I reached the top of Loveland Pass and I am at 36% range with a hundred and twelve miles left to get back down to Boulder I am down to 46% of my battery with 80 miles of range wait you're at 46% battery yeah and 80 miles of range left 77 miles to get back to Boulder from the top of Loveland Pass I don't know man it's gonna be a nail-biter getting back down yeah it's gonna be close so it's gonna be close one traditional throwing of the snowball okay you can hit that big warning across country no before we go down how much was the bottle three so before autopilot is 52 five yeah after autopilot it was like mid 50s how much you think Khalifa's mid 30s you are wrong sir four d39 seventy-five now we paid about 47 for this out the door right so not that far off but you can probably get a discount on one of those leaves too if you look around I don't know man you can get seven and a half thousand dollars federal yep three and a half yep on the Tesla 5000 state five thousand state why can you only get three half on the Tesla because Tesla's used up all their credits but Nissan has yet more credit so basically you can get more off on the leaf on the rebate what a deal but still forty three forty four thousand dollars for that a lot of money they're not as uncomfortable price as you might think alright so we head down yep what if I run out of juice figured if you told me no no I have programs our work address back here so 77 miles to go till we're back at the TfL HQ now we're starting here with 36 percent in the battery and we should end with drumroll 34 percent and that's because it's all downhill now if I take a look at a different view you can see it's up and down and up and down but we started at 36 and we end at 34 or we should if this Tesla is correct we're at 112 miles as we sit here at the summit of welcome pass [Applause] you know when we bought the Tesla the comments that you guys made work it doesn't matter what year the car is because really it's about range doesn't matter if it's of 2018 or 2019 it really matters how much range you have and now I understand why you said that in the comments because the 310 miles of range that Tesla has especially when you're using it in the real-world manner like we are is priceless and so while this leaf has a lot more range than the last leaf that was I think they're like 140 miles in real-world usage I'm feeling a lot of anxiety right now [Music] wha-hoo look at that halfway down Loveland Pass and I am now at eighty miles of range eighty miles of range and that's that's reassuring [Music] all right we're back on the highway and I've read gent about five miles of range going down Loveland Pass which makes me very happy now let's talk about self-driving of course Tesla has an autopilot but Nissan has its own version called probe pilot assist and it's let's call it a smarter version of cruise control here's how it works the test is really easy just flick the stock down twice and engages here I have to hit this little button then I have to hit on my steering wheel to set so I will set it at 65 miles an hour which is which is where it's at right now turn my off steering wheel button on so that it sees the lanes it doesn't see the lanes yet there we go I just found the lanes and now I should be able to do the same thing the time he does which is take my hands off the wheel how long well let's see probably long enough to get a drink I'm gonna drink no hands up there goes so how long was it maybe ten seconds before the car told me I had to put my hands back out in the wheel right there for the last it's very similar to the Tesla autopilot it does Pogo hands back on the wheel it does Pogo evolve it's on I'm going right now and found the lane now Street me out again so it does Pogo a little bit between the lanes hands back on again but yeah you know the ideal use of this is obviously you keep your hands on the wheel or you keep it down here and the car basically steers itself so you don't have to do a lot of the thinking I can't adjust the proximity distance I want from the other cars which is nice hands back on the wheel but yeah it's not as advanced as a Tesla unit we're getting very close to what I would call level two semi autonomous driving and I know you think we're a complete autonomous I think that's level 4 or 5 but that basically means that a car doesn't have a steering wheel and it can steer itself and all kinds of weather in all kinds of conditions as we've proved this still relies on the camera if you lose the lane lines you think it's all wonky if the camera gets heads on the wheel gets clogged by snow which happens here a lot same issues so we're not there yet we're far from it but it certainly makes life a lot easier and you know what I don't want to be there I don't want I don't want to be in a car without a steering wheel that is terrifying that's like most woody on pod cars please no no thank you so tell me we're about halfway down and i-70 to golden how much how much miles you got left so mine now has jumped all the way up to 127 miles yeah and I basically think what's happening is that the Tesla is smarter it actually knows you know that we're going downhill and that we went up hill before or I think this thing is calculating bait based on kind of current situation right so right now we're retaining a lot so it's calculating a lot of miles based on that but the Tesla actually has the topographical map built in - yeah I guess I could program and delete I'll put it in the leaf at the next stop and see if it actually changes the miles so I'm programmed the destination and it didn't increase or decrease the mileage it was the exact same mileage that I had before I programmed catch a person that mileage but in terms of copy miles Tandy yeah yeah yeah I think it's a separate system on the Tesla - because I have this little indicator up here by my speed and that's been fluctuating up and down just a little bit based on the terrain but it hasn't been like 87 to 120 like yours it's been like 112 to 117 at the high now [Music] now I have two different modes of region on this Tesla Model 3 I am in the more aggressive setting which means driving this Tesla is pretty much a one-footed affair you modulate the speed with pretty much exclusively the throttle because once you let off it slows down real quick and it actually activates the brake lights just like the Leafs and I do the little indicator up here in the screen that tells me when I'm accelerating with the throttle and when I'm rejoining it turns black or green depending on the situation but what it means is that the reagent is so strong in this car that often I am applying throttle to keep the car at a certain speed and it's still rejecting so giving a fun game to try to see how much you can read Jennifer a period of time one more thing I want to talk about autopilot let me engage it now I've read that you should be able to change lanes just by using the turn signal has never done it for us ever so it's it's turns ago hon it should be switching lanes right now both directions no so I don't know what's going on maybe it's not quite broken in but it's got you know 503 of a mile it should be all set up by now if there's a setting somewhere I'm missing let me know in the comments below because it'd be really cool you could do that okay we're back in golden sea what my dad and the leaf is up to the Tesla's gotten up and down a little bit in terms of range we left with 112 we got up to 117 and then it got flat we went down to a hundred and then on the last hill we came back up to a hundred and three miles of range so it's been fluctuating a little bit but I suspect not as much as that leaf let's go see good yeah so here's a question for you how many miles of range you have left and what percentage of battery you get thirty four percent battery 105 miles of range my leaf says forty-one percent of the battery 116 miles of range the top of Loveland Pass I had barely 79 miles of range and now I'm down here in gold and I have 116 miles let's go back to the boulder I'd be really curious to see how much of that hundred and sixteen has really left yeah we'll see yeah I mean you probably know pretty much what percentage yours has left yeah yeah I'll know where I'll be [Music] so let's see the verdict here let's turn it back on so we have 84 miles of range left with 29% battery and we've driven this is this isn't quite right I reset it too late so we've driven about 154 miles all tolled and I understand that of course that isn't comparable to the Tesla because we're not comparing battery sizes but we can do some math and actually compare them isn't that right Tommy well sure you see what the Tesla's doing I have 83 whoa 83 miles of range so up the mountain down the mountain your car was fluctuating left and right mine was fluctuating a little bit but we both got back to the office and they both say virtually the same number all right so we both have about the same number of miles left yeah at the end of this trip and I think there are a couple takeaways first of all mileage in an electric car is king yeah you know when I was in the top of Loveland Pass I was terrified that I would make it back and that has to do with of course the fact that this computer in this leaf isn't the smart as the computer in the Tesla so tesla knows that we're going up and down a mountain but nevertheless the longer the range the less range anxiety the more you have in reserve I think that's important the other takeaway is that this is a dual motor heavier vehicle right that's got a lot more performance and yet at the same time basically got the same amount of range as the leaf which is you know front-wheel drive one motor vehicle so I think Tesla's got better battery tech dude yeah I mean the leaf is an all-electric vehicle but the funny thing is this setup still like a gasoline vehicle right it looks like a gasoline hatchback in a lot of ways it's front-wheel drive like a gasoline hatchback it doesn't have a front trunk like a gasoline hatchback where the Tesla has a front trunk it doesn't have that hump in the middle I mean this feels like it was designed from the ground up to be an electric car even though the leaf was as well yeah it's weird [Music] over there you can look you can see it's charging over 24 hours of meetings 24 hours of charge this bad boy oh well over 24 when it says over 24 hours to charge ok the charge of the Tesla push the cover and locked in a position I can't remove it 24 plus hours Tommy also 24 plus hours yeah that's a long way to go all right guys next time on the thrifty 3 what are we gonna do Tommy Wow so much more to do yeah look test slip test and we're also gonna see how well this car is built by going through the panel gaps all right check out TfL car car for more news views and of course thrifty 3 reviews see you guys next time ciao [Music]

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Length: 35min 41sec (2141 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 19 2019

Reddit Comments

[u/schmize24]

TL;DW can we get the highlights?

[u/FoulMerchandise]

Having owned a Leaf, I knew they were going to freak out over the mileage. In the Leaf communities we call it the GOM, Guess O Meter, because it guesses the mileage based on what's going on with the car right then and there. A better test would be for them to calculate how many kWh were used on the trip instead of them waiting for the computer to tell you how many miles are left.

[u/Mantaup]

Well worth watching the heavier, larger and AWD Model 3 get exactly the same mileage of the Nissan Leaf up and down a mountain

[u/NetBrown]

Doesn't understand that his newly purchased Model 3 with AP (since EAP is no longer a feature) won't change lanes with the turn signal. Tesla needs to offer in car videos to tutor new customers/owners.

[u/tuskenrader]

Recently I was doing down a 6% grade North of Nashville in my AWD Model 3. It was getting so much regen at 60 MPH, it had to limit it a bit to keep up with thermal management. But it kept regenning and I got back ~1% of battery. It was amazing.

[u/eyyopomps]

Indicated lane change shouldn't be a FSD feature!

[u/dr_diagnosis]

Would have been cool to see if the eco mode on the Leaf had enough torque to get up the mtn ie. would it have made any difference or would it automatically revert back to normal mode.