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back home in the united states attorneys for both the justice department and former president donald trump are set to appear this afternoon at a hearing before the court appointed special master in the mar-a-lago documents case the hearing will take place at a federal courthouse in brooklyn before judge raymond deary where he currently serves as a senior u.s district judge for the eastern district of new york typically this kind of procedural hearing establishes filing and practices and timetables for the review of documents in the case but just prior to today's hearing trump's attorney stated in a filing last night they do not want to disclose to judge jerry which mar-a-lago documents they assert the former president may or may not have declassified pushing back against judge jerry's apparent proposal they submit quote specific information regarding declassification to him in the course of his review meanwhile the new york times reports one time white house lawyer eric hirschman warned trump late last year he could get into legal trouble if he did not return the government documents he took with him when he left office that is according to three people familiar with the matter the precise date of the meeting is not clear and hershman was not working for trump at the time according to the report from maggie haberman trump thanked hirschman for the discussion but was non-committal about whether he would return those documents hirschman as you'll remember has testified before the january 6 committee and has been subpoenaed in the justice department investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election let's bring in senior legal affairs reporter for politico kyle cheney and former u.s attorney barbara mcquade good morning to you both kyle i'll start with you uh what is the significance here of hirschmann according to this report from maggie hebron saying he did warn donald trump that he should not take those documents from the white house and he might in fact be violating the law well i mean that if that's the case that's sort of the origin point of almost everything here which is that donald trump knew he had in his head the knowledge that what he was doing was potentially wrong and a foul of the law and so a lot of this all the questions here about his state of mind what what he know about what within the documents about whether he had the right to take them and lawyers almost like the january 6 investigation lawyers telling him don't do x y and z and then he goes and does it anyway uh that tells you a lot about what prosecutors what what the criminal investigators may be looking at in terms of state of mind so barbara mcquaid tell us about the legal ramifications of this that this is the presidency like yet another example the former president was told like hey you can't be doing this this is trouble and we know that he and his team as lawyers seemingly did not cooperate and then misrepresented and frankly sometimes flat out lied to the fbi and the national archives about whether or not they had those documents so talk to us about how this could impact the doj's ongoing probe well it's excellent evidence of one of the essential elements of the offense when it comes to the espionage act and also the retention of government records which is willfulness did you do this knowing that it was against the law and this could be strong evidence of that one tricky aspect of this i imagine he would assert attorney-client privilege as to these statements and say that the privilege belongs to him and cannot be waived by a lawyer like eric hirschman i imagine there'll be some litigation but i think ultimately the government would prevail there because the client is not donald trump the man it is the president of the united states and it's actually in the best interest of the office and of the nation for the government to retain these documents so i think the government would win that battle there but you can bet that donald trump will assert that i also think it could be relevant to the obstruction of justice charges which is i think going to come down to again was it the lawyers who made these misrepresentations about whether they had the documents or they directed to do so by donald trump all of those are going to require some inquiry within the privilege but but again to the extent that privilege belongs to the government to the presidency and not to donald trump uh the no longer president i think the government prevails on that issue barbara later today uh donald trump's lawyers will be appearing in federal district court in brooklyn before judge raymond deary a long-time federal district court judge who has the reputation of being a no-nonsense jurist and they are there in line with long-time trump legal philosophy to delay every action ever filed against him for 40 years what do you think the reaction will be from the federal court today about this appeal to delay delay delay yeah this uh this filing that the trump team made last night is really like the prototype you know what's the first item on the checklist make sure you ask for delay and sure enough there it is you know the government proposes a one schedule the even the judge's own draft plan proposes another and the first thing they say out of the gate is whoa whoa the schedule you propose is way too fast and you know the only person bound by this schedule is the judge himself and so what they're suggesting is you don't need to have this all wrapped up by october let's take our time let's make it realistic let's make sure it can be thorough let's extend this into november so that's the first part of it i don't think the judge is going to entertain that because he's the one who's got to do the work and if he says i think i can do it within this time period then i think he's going to be able to make the decision there he'll hear them but i doubt he will accept that timeline the other thing of course is that they also say we don't want to have to assert which documents we are uh claiming we've declassified and i think this is a real tell that this is a lie that there's no declassification and that the lawyers want to delay that answer because they know they don't have an answer to that question if they make that same misrepresentation in court that donald trump has been making on social media they stand to be disbarred and so they are never going to make that claim they want to delay it as long as possible because ultimately they're not going to be able to make it at the white house 11 49 here in london president biden is facing pushback including from some of his own top health officials including dr anthony fauci after saying the coven 19 pandemic is over the president made that comment during an interview on 60 minutes here's what president biden said followed by new remarks from dr fauci the pandemic is over we still have a problem with cobot we're still doing a lot of work on it uh it's but the pandemic is over if you notice no one's wearing masks everybody seems to be in pretty good shape and so i think it's changing but we are not where we need to be if we're going to be able to quote live with the virus because we know we're not going to eradicate it we only did that with one virus which is smallpox and that was very different because smallpox doesn't change from year to year or decade to decade or even from century to century joining us now u.s surgeon general dr vivek murthy dr murthy great to have you with us this morning so two very different views there of the state of the pandemic is the pandemic over well it's good to see you as well i actually don't think they're all that different what the president's reflecting is the fact that we've made tremendous progress against kobe 19. we're in a very different place now than we were at the beginning of this pandemic with significantly lower death rates we have all of our children back in school people able to go back to work families and friends able to see each other but he also said you know we have more work to do on cobin and that's right and that's what dr fauci and others have expressed as well you know we're losing about 400 people a day on average for this virus we need to get that number lower we have people who are struggling with long covet we need to understand more about long covenant and how to prevent it and we also thankfully have a new updated vaccine that's available that can extend people's protection strengthen their protection against the worst outcomes of covid we need people to take that vaccine so there is more work to do no doubt but we are in a much better place than we were at the beginning of this pandemic well of course that goes without saying it i mean people effectively are treating it like it's over here in london where i am i could count on one hand probably the number of masks i've seen in the last couple of days new york is closer to that as well but when the president united states says in no uncertain terms and says twice the pandemic is over what should people watching this morning take from that i think people people should take is that they should feel encouraged about the progress that we've made i feel optimistic about how far we've come you know we may forget just what it was like two years ago when schools were shut down when people were not going to work when we were worried about our own health and safety and the safety of those around us but right now if you are updated on your vaccines and if you are a high-risk individual who uses a medication like pax livid if you get covet 19 your chances of dying from covid are remarkably low and that is hard-fought progress but here's one thing i am worried about willie in order to sustain this progress and to continue to advance in order to develop the next generation of vaccines especially mucosal vaccines that will help to block transmission even more effectively we need to sustain our investment in cobit so what we can do is is look at this like an on and off switch like covet has disappeared you know we've made tremendous progress but we still have work to do that it's going to require ongoing investment from congress ongoing investment in our country so that we can continue to make sure everybody in our country has the protection that they need from kobe 19. dr murphy i appreciate that you're trying to thread the needle here between slightly different points of view but one of the things that doctors around the world have said right from the very beginning is that clarity of messaging when it comes to a pandemic is absolutely essential and whether you listen to doc to the president or whether you listen to dr fauci it the message is not clear coming out of the white house at the moment and the risks are still high you still have the potential for variants around the world you still have countries where people are not vaccinated and they are traveling now and the potential they could bring new variants so so why why take the risk from the president's point of view of even saying at all that this is over because some people will hear that and say i don't need to get a booster if a booster comes around i don't need to get vaccinated if i'm not already vaccinated well my you know my job as surgeon is to tell people where we are and to talk to them about what they need to do and the message here is clear which is that while we should be encouraged about the progress that we have made we still have to be vigilant and make sure we're taking steps to remain protected and that means staying up to date on your vaccines knowing where to go if you do get sick to get packs of it and we have three sets now available people can go to their own doctor and get uh treatments for uh for for coping 19 like pax levin we want people to know what they can do but it's also so important this is something i learned when i was surgeon general working on the ebola and zika crisis that when things get better we can't as a country turn our attention away entirely we've got to recognize that to stay in a good place and to continue making progress we've got to keep our foot on the accelerator we've got to not only continue to invest in better treatments better vaccines but we also have to look at the broader spectrum of issues that have been made worse by covet one of those in fact is mental health this is an issue that i have been focused on as surgeon general because i look at what's happened in our country during clovid but also prior to covet and i see a mental health crisis particularly among our kids that has exploded that's why i issued a surgeon general's advisory and youth mental health in december 2021 it's why as i wrote recently there's more we need to do at a policy programmatic and individual level to make sure our kids are okay so dr marty i just want to go you just started to lead us there the idea of not letting your guard down when things are looking a little bit better we are compared to other parts of dynamic in a little bit of the lull right now but part of the reason why the president's comments raised such a stir is for months health officials including those employed by the us government have warned us about an impending fall or winter surge of the virus are you seeing any early signs of that how should americans be prepared should we be bracing ourselves for cases to really take off again well i'm glad you asked jonathan you know thankfully right now we are seeing cases continue to decline hospitalizations are coming down as well that's good news but look if anything we've learned over the last two years it's that we've got to be vigilant and we've got to be prepared right this is a time for a preparation not for panic we've seen in the last two winters that we have seen a surge that's usually begun around late november or early december but the best way to protect for that is to make sure that you are up to date with your vaccines if you are 12 and up and you're two months out from your last shot you are eligible to get the updated vaccine and that's what we want people to do the other thing you can do is pair this with your flu shot the flu season is also around the corner and so we want people to get their flu shot flu shot should be available very very soon and you can good news is you can go and get both shots at the same time get it out of the way and know that you have stronger protection against both coven and the flute u.s surgeon general vivek murthy thanks so much for your time this morning we'll be talking to you much more as we move through this thank you you know ever since our primary win it's been amazing how many people come up and said you know isn't it great that dan cox won and you're running against dan cox in the general [Music] my answer is clear and it is consistent do not underestimate what we're against do not underestimate what we are up against it is not great that come november we are running against an election denier [Music] you know for me patriotism meant leaving my family and putting on our nation's uniform and serving with the 82nd airborne division afghanistan well let's be clear for our opponent patriotism for him means organizing buses to join him on january 6th [Music] that is the democratic nominee for maryland governor west moore speaking ahead of president biden at a rally last month in rockville maryland his opponent dan cox is an election denier endorsed by former president trump but new polling shows the big lie is not resonating with voters in maryland the survey from goucher college finds more has a 22 point lead over cox and westmore joins us now wes it's good to see you 22 point spread there you're out raising 10 to one against cox the sitting republican governor larry hogan has called cox a quote q anon whack job and has suggested perhaps he might support you though won't make an official endorsement uh what's your take on the state of the race well taken the state of the rain and first it's great to see you uh but the state of the race is you know i think the numbers confirm something that we have been seeing all over the state is that uh that that you know my opponent's message is not resonating that we are running against someone who voted against a bill that would have banned spousal rape that we're running against someone who believes that all abortions should be criminalized for both the patient and the provider even in the case of incest and rape someone who like you mentioned the current governor said that not only is he not going to support him but he wouldn't even give him a tour of the governor's office but the thing i think we're also continuing to see around the state of maryland is and why we we feel very good about where we are is that we're not asking people to support our campaign because they should be afraid of something you know we're asking to support our campaign because they should believe in something that we are running on an agenda a leave no one behind agenda but actually i learned when i was in the military that uh that our north star is gonna be creating pathways for work wages and wealth for all families that we want their support not because they're scared of the alternative but because they're hopeful for what we can get done together so let's give a little bit of sense as to what the biggest challenges maryland residents face today and certainly you just noted that the republicans and particularly your opponent seem to be out of step uh with a lot of beliefs held by those the state but one thing that everyone's battling right now rising prices inflation how do you combat that yeah and and it's important because that's how we actually started the foundation of our campaign that this is about economics this is about the fact that when people say things feel more expensive that they are and so for working families we gotta find ways of creating better supports and that means getting people back to work focusing on job retraining and job reskilling fixing a broken child care system because one of the biggest challenges we have getting people employed is if you don't have a strong child care system you're not gonna have a chance for people to return back to the workforce and oftentimes we're talking about women it means being able to raise wages and getting maryland to a fifteen dollar minimum wage by next year because we have still too many people in our state who are working in some cases working multiple jobs and still living below a poverty line and i saw that with my own family my mother didn't get her first job that gave her benefits until i was 14 years old and this is a woman who went on to earn a master's degree so this is real it is something that has been a generational challenge but if we can focus on work wages and wealth for all maryland families and pathways and leaving no one behind in that conversation then this is a generational opportunity to address those generational challenges well i want to ask you about one of the most important aspects of your estate of any state and that's kids who have gone through remote learning for a couple of years let's say from grades they're now in grades five through eight or first year of high school or whatever what's the plan for them in terms of evening out the discrepancy between going to grammar school or high school in baltimore as opposed to chevy chase or bethesda what's their future uh this discrepancy is is heartbreaking and i know it is to you too mike and and this has also been my life's work where you know i know there's two things that save me uh a mother that wouldn't quit and an education system that told me that the world was bigger than what was directly in front of me and when you watch what's happened to children over these past years it's not just heartbreaking it's unfair and the reality is we do have real resources now even federal resources that are specifically earmarked towards things like learning loss towards things like advanced tutoring and after school programming but there also need to be real structural changes that we've got to make within our education system and that includes things like making sure that we can have free pre-k for every single child in need in the state of maryland you know the research is also very clear eighty percent of brain development happens in a child by the time that child is five years old so why we have children starting school at five makes absolutely no sense it means we have to do a better job of getting people prepared for the workforce right now in the state of maryland we have two available jobs for every single person filing for unemployment and so that basically means we have a dynamic economy but we're not preparing our children to participate and so that means investing in things like apprenticeship programs and trade programs creating economic pathways and also maryland is going to be the first state in this country to have a service year option for every single high school graduate where i want for every high school graduate to have a chance to have a paid year of service to the state of maryland and they can choose however they want to do it in the environment education housing their choice and we're going to do it because i believe deeply in experiential learning we're going to do it because it helps to address the college affordability crisis and we're going to do it because service is sticky and those who serve together generally stay together in this time of political divisiveness and vitriol i believe deeply that service will help to save us wes what is your vision of the economic future of maryland 40 years ago baltimore was a manufacturing city those factories are gone now how what sector do you see uh coming in or being developed that's going going to going to lead the way into the future for maryland yeah i i am so excited about our economic future because you know the thing about the state of maryland if you look at our assets that we have right now maryland is literally the home of the nih and the cdc and apl and and uh and the nsa and nasa and i say i think every acronym in the world exists in the state of maryland uh but the challenge that we have right now in maryland is we are asset rich and we are strategy poor right we're not investing in these core assets in the way they need to be invested in so if you look at the future of everything from biotech to cybertech to agrihealth to to how we think about our manufacturing base we've got the core foundational assets right there to include the fact that this is the home of the port of baltimore the shared home of the chesapeake bay so we have a growing and a dynamic economy where we need to be able to invest in our institutions of higher education create more liquidity for our small businesses create more incentives for people to be able to grow their businesses and stay here and then frankly for people who are in all other states and particularly other states where we're watching uh you know governors who are using using state resources and state assets to make political statements uh my answer to you is this come to maryland because every time we go to one of their states i'm bringing three businesses with me and bring them back to maryland democratic nominee for governor of maryland polling well right now but as he will tell you a lot of time between now and election day westmore west great to see you thanks so much it's great to see you coming up next legendary documentary filmmaker ken burns joins us with a look at his powerful new project also ahead nato's secretary general joins us at the top of the hour he's in new york city this morning for the u.n general assembly where president biden will speak tomorrow morning joe's coming right back hurricane fiona is expected to strengthen as it heads today to turks and caicos that storm already has devastated the dominican republic and puerto rico leaving millions without power or water there joining us now from salinas puerto rico nbc news national correspondent gabe gutierrez gabe good morning what does it look like there willa good morning this is what many neighborhoods in southern puerto rico are waking up to down trees down power lines and no drinking water a few hours ago we even saw some rain here but thankfully the flood waters here in this neighborhood have actually begun to recede overnight still the toll in puerto rico has been devastating at least three people are dead here and also in the dominican republic this morning fiona has strengthened into a category 3 hurricane as it barrels across the caribbean leaving a widespread trail of destruction twisted meadow and mudslides in the dominican republic which is now under a state of emergency and catastrophic flooding in puerto rico where millions of american citizens are in the dark overnight just 11 percent of the island had power only 35 percent had running water some areas drenched with more than 30 inches of rain since fiona first made landfall on sunday from the air staggering images of entire towns under water people on rooftops desperately waiting for help more than a thousand people across the island have already been rescued no power no water nothing fabian moran and his family in yabukoa were among them as the water kept rising have you ever seen something like this mudslides sinkholes bridges washed away the scope of the disaster still not fully known since rescuers are still trying to reach remote areas that are cut off on his way home from london president biden called puerto rico's governor pedro pierre luisi pledging more federal support was the government here on the island prepared for this kind of stuff definitely much better prepared than when maria happened exactly five years ago today hurricane maria sliced through puerto rico killing an estimated 3 000 people and decimating the island's electric grid is it fair to describe the power grid in puerto rico as a complete disaster no that's too much it is fragile it is fragile how long do you expect the power to be out well most customers i hope will get their power back within days how many days that remains to be seen but definitely not months here in puerto rico there is widespread frustration that the power grid was not more effectively rebuilt after hurricane maria meanwhile as the cleanup effort after fiona begins here turks and caicos is now bracing for hurricane fiona as it continues to intensify into a major hurricane setting the very best for our friends in puerto rico as you say is still struggling five years after maria nbc news national correspondent gabe gutierrez in salinas puerto rico gabe thanks so much world leaders are converging in new york this week for the annual united nations general assembly which kicked off yesterday with a focus on ukraine leaders from some 157 countries meeting in person after three years of virtual meetings due to the coronavirus pandemic the war in ukraine and the impact of rising food and energy prices some of the key issues that will dominate this year's gathering president joe biden who was in london here for queen elizabeth's funeral will be addressing the assembly tomorrow instead of today that is a break from tradition as american presidents historically go second among heads of state to address the meeting following brazil ukrainian president vladimir zelinsky also will address the assembly this week with a pre-recorded video message and joining us now from new york nato secretary general jens stoltenberg mr secretary general it's great to have you with us this morning um obviously ukraine is front and center and on the minds of all the leaders around the world what will you be saying what will you be doing at this general assembly to address the situation and what do you have to say to vladimir putin as he has promised to escalate now in the face of this effective lightning counter offensive that has been so successful for the ukrainians my main message will be that we have to stay the course to support ukraine because what we see now is the most dangerous times we have seen since the end of the second world war with the biggest war in europe since the second world war with ramifications for all of us energy food crisis so therefore we need to support ukraine they have made progress but we need to ensure that putin doesn't win in ukraine but that ukraine prevails as an independent sovereign state so certainly a major topic of discussion this week will be keeping europe together rallied behind the cause as it faces potentially a very cold and difficult winter uh but what message needs to be sent to those nations sitting on the sidelines india china those that have continued to purchase russian energy and therefore keeping aloft putin's war machine the message is that we should all stand up for the international news based order uh because this is not only about supporting ukraine this is about supporting order which has ensured peace and prosperity for decades and we need to ensure to protect that world order part of that is also to strengthen the united nations to strengthen national institutions because in uncertain times in dangerous times we need international institutions like the u.n but also like nato even more so we certainly expect to hear from the president tomorrow uh who has done as as you have kept a remarkable job of keeping allies together in lockstep we were just saying we're both in madrid the last nato summit uh when he said that he would be there as long as it takes uh as europe is about to enter potentially a difficult period what are you telling the heads of states how are you keeping everyone focused here as the potential not just energy prices going up there may be a lack of gas and heat plunging homes into darkness and cold so winter is going coming the winter is going to be hard especially for ukrainians but also for the rest of uh europe and therefore we are conveying very very clear message that our support ukraine need to be sustained because this is not only about protecting ukrainians but it is also about protecting us if president putin wins in ukraine the message to him but also to other authoritarian powers for instance china will be that they can use military force to achieve their goals and that will endanger not only ukraine but the rest of the world so mr secretary general what do you say to nations like india the afro mentioned in india who are sort of on the sidelines with regard to the war in ukraine what do you say to nations like that this week what would you say especially given the supposed stronger alliance between china and russia so i say to india and to all nations that we should support ukraine's right for self-defense and we should impose sanctions on russia who is responsible for a war or aggression against the independent sovereign nation uh ukraine is defending themselves that's a right which is enshrined in the u.n charter so everyone that believes in the u.n charter a rules-based order should of course support ukraine when it comes to china we regret that china has not been able to clearly condemn the russian aggression against uh against ukraine and i will meet the the chinese foreign minister later on this week and for nato it's important to to engage with china we don't regard china as an adversary but we need also to raise our concerns for instance when it comes to ukraine mr secretary general the turkish president uh richard baldwin has given a interview which he thinks says he believes that president putin wants to end the war in ukraine as soon as possible have you had any indication that vladimir putin um has had some kind of change of heart is preparing to do something that would end the war in ukraine as soon as possible and and a second quick question is turkey being helpful or unhelpful to nato over the question of ukraine turkey is an important uh ally uh uh not least by being so important for our southern flank but also helping to facilitate for instance the agreements on that allowed or opened up for export of grain out of ukraine which is important for reducing the pressure on the global food prices so far we're not seeing any indication that russia has changed its overall strategic goal of taking control over ukraine at the same time we also know that president putin has made several big strategic mistakes he thought he was able to take control over kiev within days he had to rejoice forces from around ikea after some few weeks then he launched a big offensive in donbass that offensive has been stalled by the brave courageous ukrainian forces and now actually ukrainian forces have been able to retake territory he also called for nato to close its doors to not allow any new members what we now see is that finland and sweden have been invited to become full members of nato showing that nato's door is open so he wanted less nato he's getting more nato on its boulder both with more military persons but also with new members finland and sweden nato secretary general jen stoltenberg again president biden will address the u.n general assembly tomorrow mr secretary general thanks for your time this morning we appreciate it thank you so much for having me republican congresswoman liz chaney of wyoming shared new details yesterday about what she says she experienced on january 6. speaking at a conference in washington cheney recounted a conversation she had with an unnamed republican colleague shortly before the violence broke out who she says was going along reluctantly with donald trump's plan to block the certification of election results i you know in the cloakroom on january 6th uh before the attack happened there were so many who wanted to show they were objecting that they'd set up these sign-up sheets in the cloakroom and as i was sitting there a member came in and he signed his name on each one of the state's sheets and then he said under his breath the things we do for the orange jesus and i thought you know you're taking an act that is unconstitutional gene it'd be funny if it weren't so awful what happened after he signed those papers and talked about orange jesus but it is just so it's so telling about the state of the republican party that they know they know how dangerous and how bad it is and they still sign those papers and sign along with whatever donald trump tells them to do exactly they they all know all except the most extreme wingnuts know perfectly well what they're doing and they know it's wrong but they do it for orange jesus they do it because donald trump is they they see donald trump as the master of the republican base and they if he gets mad at them their career is potentially probably over and so they do it out of that fear it is it is stunning how craven uh republicans have been in the face of donald trump and look where it's gotten us you know that if the people who knew uh that what they were doing on january 6 was wrong uh had done the right thing we wouldn't be in this mess but but they they went along with trump and and that's where the republican party is and and likely will stay until it gets wiped out in an election yeah certainly hard to find a moment that better encapsulates trump's hold over the party than that one mike markle we should note liz cheney talking about efforts to reform the electoral count act to prevent something like january 6th from happening again making clear the vice president's role just ceremonial house and senate working on bills likely not coming up till after the midterms however because of the politics involved but i want to also ask you one other thing about liz cheney she of course was defeated soundly in her primary this summer and yet here she is still trying to pass legislation to safeguard the american electoral process and next week will once again preside over a january 6th hearing doing her duty to the end putting patriotism over party do you suppose liz cheney is the only member of the republican party who watched a portion or anything at all of former president trump's rally in ohio saturday the q anon rally do you suppose she's the only republican who watched that that litany of danger that proceeded in an ohio summer night i mean it was unbelievable just to watch the clips of it and uh caddy i don't know whether you got the opportunity you were overseas obviously but the rally that occurred that i'm talking about was frightening to put it frankly frightening to watch a group of people clearly devoted acolytes to something that very few understand following a man who knows exactly what he's doing but stands at the precipice of presenting an even further threat to our democracy and thus far from what i've read what i've heard what i've seen not a single important member of the republican party in either the house or the senate has said anything about what occurred yeah i mean donald trump's tactics when it comes to things like this are always so interesting because he goes right up to the line of something he could be accused of but stops just short of it so you have his campaign team saying well that song that was being played that was not actually the q a non-anthem it was just it happens to be a song that sounds rather similar to it and the sign that they were putting up with their one finger you know follow the one um they disavow that too as some kind of cultish-like salute but you know cure is a seriously dangerous conspiracy that has people committing acts of violence around the country and president trump in the past has refused to disavow the organization even though he was pressed on it when he was in the white house and here he seems to be in ohio flirting with it even more aligning himself with it even more closely but in this way that he has of being able to deny that that's what he's doing i i don't know if liz cheney was the only one to watch that i mean there's even a debate about whether donald trump was actually invited to jd vance's rally at all or whether he just showed up um of his own accord i mean whatever the case is you know republicans have to deal with donald trump as liz cheney suggested on january the 6th they they are struggling to know how to deal with him but they don't know how to stand up to him and they still don't know how to stand up to him and they still i guess feel that he is more of an electoral asset than he is an electoral liability well then they fear his voters of course the man they call orange jesus [Music] you

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