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we are learning new details about the Justice Department's investigation into former president Donald Trump's handling of classified documents after leaving the White House NBC News has learned exclusively that the Federal grand jury hearing evidence in the case is expected to meet again this week in Washington D.C that is according to multiple people familiar with the investigation they say activity for the grand jury appeared to have slowed in recent weeks prosecutors working for a special counsel Jack Smith have been presenting the grand jury with evidence and witness testimony for several months but it is not clear if prosecutors are prepared to seek an indictment at this point prosecutors reportedly faced two Central legal questions one did Trump wrongfully retain classified documents after he left the White House and two did he later obstruct the government's effort to retrieve them that's the big question the justice department would not comment on the status of the investigation former president Trump maintains he has broken no laws and has dismissed the investigation as a politically motivated senior campaign there are people who say well Biden did it well Pence had documents no point two is the difference well I mean it's very clear this is a there's going to be a very easy case and the pleading is going to be clean slick to the point Donald Trump obstructed Justice he obstructed the investigation he lied we're going to get to his lawyers memos that that came out uh that Jack Smith now has that that are going to be devastating for the cause Jonathan Lemire but um bottom lining this again let's just circle back he's calling it a Witch Hunt other spokespeople are calling it a Witch Hunt lawyers are calling it a Witch Hunt but you and I both know based on people we've been talking too close to Donald Trump they know this is not a Witch Hunt they let me say the words let me say the words they feel are you ready the walls everybody everybody Say it With Me closing in on this one so yes people can mock me for saying that just like they mock people on the show for saying it before the Manhattan D.A came down with charges but based on everything I'm hearing Jonathan based on what you're hearing I I at least last week they are extraordinarily concerned about indictments coming down in this case because they know he lied and he got caught lying to the feds yeah one of the former presidents ex-lawyers made the rounds of the Sunday shows this weekend it was a the performance of bravado saying that he doesn't think that Trump will be indicted but that stands in stark contrast with a what most legal experts think and B what most of Trump's Inner Circle thinks privately they are deeply concerned Joe the people you and I have been talking to and the small signs are adding up this report now from NBC that the grand jury is going to be reconvening again after having had a few weeks off reconvening in Washington the little development a week or so back that we talked about briefly on this show but I think sort of flew under the radar the letter from Trump's lawyers that Trump then posted on Truth social asking for a meeting with prosecutors a meeting with attorney general Merrick Garland of course he's not going to get a meeting with the AG but that's the kind of thing you do that's usually an end stage moment in an investigation when the defense the defendants potential defendants attorneys think charges are coming they try to make one last plea to Ward them off or at least to ask for a smaller like less serious charges and that is a sign of how worried the Trump's lawyers are and they yes there there are similarities I suppose with the cases with Pence and Biden in terms of having documents they shouldn't but those are superficial similarities that end quickly both Pence and Biden return the documents Trump did not in fact there's detailed reporting about the steps he has taken uh to keep them to obstruct the investigation to prevent the federal government from returning them and the people I spoke to near the president feel like this could come and could come soon matter of weeks and rev uh most of the people that I've spoken to that are part of this process say Donald Trump's not going to get charged for the same things the doing the same things that Biden and Pence did not going to get charged for that he's going to get charged for obstructing justice for obstructing the investigation lying to the FBI lying to the doj doing the sort of things that put people in prison that is the same thing I'm getting from people with knowledge of the law and and when you have your lawyers go and meet with the prosecutor it is usually because it's at the end and they're trying to negotiate how they're going to deal with the charges all because you want to have your client go before the grand jury and testify well the irony in this case is Donald Trump is going to testify before the grand jury they're going to play a tape of Donald Trump saying himself that he had knowledge of what he was doing and what he was doing was not Declassified so he's going to have the opportunity to speak he just won't be there in person he ran his mouth and now his mouth will be heard I Believe by the grand jury by the way the former president who once again offered kind words for North Korean leader Kim Jong-un on Friday the former president posted the praise on his social media website in response to North Korea being elected to the World Health organization's executive board here are some of the responses from Trump's Republican primary opponents when asked about his comment what did you make of Donald Trump congratulations well what I'll say is let's not forget Kim Jong-un as a thought Thug and a tyrant and he has tested ballistic missiles against our allies he threatened us there's nothing to congratulate him about I was surprised to see that I mean I think one Kim Jong-un is a murderous dictator the world health organizations a bankrupt organization like Kim jong-un's bad but then joining that we need to be getting out of that and rejecting The Who lockdown treaty and not congratulating about being involved in the government do you think Trump whether it's my former running mate or anyone else no one should be praising the dictator in North Korea or or praising uh the uh the the leader of Russia Charlie psych's the most bloodthirsty uh dangerous Tyrant on the globe right now and Donald Trump goes out of his way praising him and this is actually this is a guy who's leading again leading the Republican party it's um again you just you do wonder how in the world any Republican in the base could could vote for this guy well I think this is an interesting story because this is not the first time that uh Donald Trump has praised a murderous dictator and this is not the first murderous dictator that he has praised but what is interesting is the chorus of blowback from uh the Republicans including um Brian Kemp the governor of Georgia who's not actually running for president uh so you know we are seeing Republicans um you know waking up looking around going hey you know uh Donald Trump is saying things about some of the worst people in the world now what's interesting about this Joe and I'm certainly not you know saying this is going to be a game changer or of of any kind no but it is interesting that Republicans have decided that this is a wedge uh to go after Donald Trump to say okay you know let's highlight something that is clearly indefensible because there may be a pro-putin wing of the Republican party but I don't think there's a pro Kim Wing I think it's a Vanishing small number of Base voters who are going to go hey Kim Jong-un by the way he misspelled his name we've got to mention that but yeah you know here's maybe it's maybe it was just a simple reaction or maybe it is a a decision by the par on the part of some of the Republicans to begin hitting back to uh against Donald Trump and highlighting some of the most bizarre elements of his character and his behavior which is his fascination with Vladimir Putin and with Kim and with people like erdogan and Victor Orban um all of the world's thugs out there are the authoritarian leaders so I thought it was interesting that it's not new that Donald Trump Praises dictators um and maybe it's just a flash in the pan but it's interesting that Republicans called him out on it and called him out rather forcefully let's bring in NBC News White House correspondent Mike memley who has new reporting on President Biden's re-election campaign so Mike what are Biden's plans now that the debt limit deal is behind him and maybe he can focus a little bit on this yeah that's right me guys you've all been talking about the president and his team certainly took a lot of lumps over the course of the last month during these debt negotiations even fellow Democrats thinking he was really seeding the messaging War to Republicans to speaker Kevin McCarthy now in the view of Biden advisors that was strategic their ethos was to prioritize the win and the idea of getting in a daily Tit for Tat with Republicans was going to be counterproductive to that and you look at the result in the end and the White House team now is in overdrive to sell this accomplishment not so much because of the deal itself but something that wasn't in the legislative text this idea that the president despite all the cynics and against all expectations followed through on that promise he made to voters in the 2020 campaign that he'd be able to unite the country at a time of divided government get Republicans to the table and have a strong bipartisan win in the end look at the margins in both the house and the Senate we saw the president doing that himself with that Oval Office address on Friday night that's the biggest platform a president has and right from the get-go I'll correct you guys as the president said 350 bipartisan bills he signed into law but as I talked about advisors they say he's now going to be not necessarily focused on the deal itself but this is getting back to regularly scheduled programming as they put it he wants to now and you'll see this on Friday go to North Carolina talking about the expansion of jobs the need for job training to employ the workforce that has been created by these legislative achievements as this advisor put it to me we certainly are going to talk about the fact that the president has followed through on his pledge to unite the country here it has another example of that but campaigns are are all about contrast and one of the strongest contrasts that the Biden team thinks they have is a President Who simply drama-free puts his head down and does the work is focused on the economy at a time that this growing Republican field seems to be arguing to your earlier discussion as well about how to define woke and how to wage war against it so that's what we're going to see really the campaign try to do this sort of Shadow campaign he's not really going to ramp up campaign rallies until next year following that Obama model one thing we will see guys as the month continues here is a return to fundraising too that's another big imperative ahead of the fundraising deadline at the end of the month NBC's Mike Grimley thank you so much for your reporting I just fight on the Seas and oceans should fight who's growing confidence and growing strengths in the air the woke mind virus represents a war on the truth so we will wage a war on the woe we fight the woke in education we're gonna fight on the beaches official fight on the landing grounds we will fight the woke in the corporation there's a bike in the fields Ministry we will fight the woke in the halls of Congress we shall Never Surrender we will never ever surrender to the woke mob yeah it is so sad historical perspective on Wars there are lovers hysterical and there are Wars little hysterical perspective on this it's so you know there was a great profile piece of Ron DeSantis uh by Mark leibovich and it just talked about how everything seems so sort of hmm I don't know contrived that it was all just very contrived and when when he's going on and on there will be and he's trying to sound Church Chilean and he's talking about Warren look again most Americans are going huh what's this what and he just keeps it's like America's not Florida and that one little area in Florida by the way Rhonda D santis but he continues to brag about his efforts to fight woke uh we've got a lot to get to this morning seriously so 19. so 20 21. yeah I guess speaking of actual Wars we're going to have new reporting this morning on what is happening in Ukraine as Moscow is claiming its forces stopped a major attack that may be a part of Ukraine's long-awaited counter-offensive plus new action is expected this week in the classified documents case against Donald Trump it comes as the former president is being condemned for once again praising a murderous dictator we'll dig into both of those stories and a look at the GOP hopefuls campaigning in Iowa as two more names are likely to join the field this week good morning and welcome to Morning Joe it is Monday June 5th with us we have the host of way too early white Hospitality vet Politico Jonathan Lemire the host of msnbc's Politics Nation and president of the National Action Network Reverend now Sharpton is with us we also have U.S Special correspondent for BBC News caddy K and the founder of the conservative website the bulwark Charlie Charlie let me go to you real quick I mean again I I've gotten to the point now I mean obviously like a lot of people I was concerned about the extreme wokeness uh you know over the past several years college campuses you know people getting fired for saying things that should really have just started a debate you can go on and on people getting shouted down to hecklers veto but I'm at a point now and I have been for about six months if I get a newsletter and it says woke in the headline I I erase it immediately it's seriously it is the pet rock of 2023 politics it was it was a thing a couple of years ago but when you have the head of Berkeley law school when you have the head of Yale when you have the head of all of these Elite universities going come on you guys have gone too far like enough of the hecklers veto there has been a correction that Rhonda said and by the way when suddenly you have right Wingers saying racist things about Chick-fil-A and trying to cancel Chick-fil-A as being quote woke for basically talking about their Devotion to Jesus Christ they jumped the shark a long time ago no I I by the way I really love the the juxtaposition of uh of Winston Churchill and Rhonda Santos you know reminding us that Rhonda said this is not Winston Churchill and cannot play one in this in this campaign but but there's no question about it I mean there are problems of illiberalism on University campuses and this is something I've been writing about for 20 or 30 years but Rhonda sandis is not really dealing with illiberalism uh on in in American culture he's basically just deploying a buzzword I mean a few years ago the buzzword was cancel culture then they started talking about CRT and they realized nobody knew what they were talking about so now they've come up with this word which has just become this it has become the sort of you know drone in the background um and I think it goes to what what you were you know referencing Mark leibovich's uh profile of Ron DeSantis that there seems something something sort of wrote about the guy something you know you know distinctly inauthentic that somebody has handed him a card and said say this word over and over and over again you know that it's bad when even Donald Trump is saying that nobody knows what the word woke means and and then to the heart of this in terms of the substance um you know the fight for democracy is a fight for constitutional a liberal constitutional democracy and that means pushing back against illiberalism and there is illiberalism on the left but what Rhonda santis represents is illiberalism on the right the use of the of government power to silence ideas that he doesn't like to punish people who say things that he disagrees with that is the ultimate illiberalism and I think that that's really the danger at the heart of of this constant buzzword info invocation by Rhonda Sanders well and again it's so old the thing is they don't realize I said so 2021 I mean if you read the closing of the American mind and the intro uh by Alan bloom in 1986 in 1986 if you read Harold Bloom's introduction into the Western canon in 1986. he was daring the the progressive left uh the extremist to try to cancel Shakespeare I mean they were talking about this they've been talking about this for 40 50 years as you and I would agree for good reason right but now it's just like it's very wrote it's very contrived and I mean it's just been beaten into the ground so with just two days to spare before the U.S reached a potentially catastrophic default President Biden on Saturday signed legislation to extend the nation's debt ceiling the fiscal responsibility Act of 2023 suspends the debt limit through January 1st of 2025 after the 2024 presidential election instead of holding a public ceremony with lawmakers from both sides of the aisle the president signed the legislation in private posting this video on Twitter David roskopf and your latest piece entitled call it the Biden two-step how to stumble and grow stronger you write this given the outcomes we have seen this week isn't the real issue to paraphrase Ronald Reagan not whether Biden is too old but that time and time again his opponents appear to callow and inexperienced to keep up with him Biden handled a negotiation with Congress once before as vice president during the Obama years observers concluded that while he had helped get a deal he had perhaps given up too much he learned from that he saw the Obama and Trump responses to Putin's invasion of Ukraine were inadequate when flaws in the planning process regarding the exit from Afghanistan were identified he and his team learned from it but those who have observed Joe Biden and his performance as president will recognize is that his opponents should be where every time they find something to titter about he is growing getting stronger and preparing to outsmart outwork out compassion and out lead them yet again and this is we've been talking a lot here Joe and it's like the they're you know David actually had some tweets last week that was so interesting in terms of the media coverage of Biden and sometimes the media feeling they can't even do press on Biden that has any positive narrative because it might seem imbalanced when the bottom line is there have been some wins well some real wins the thing is though not even some wins David a historic number of bipartisan pieces of legislation you can just look at data you can look at the evidence you can look at the Hard facts Joe Biden is already in three years had more bipartisan legislation than I mean any president this Century certainly more than Donald Trump more than Barack Obama during his eight years more than George W bush during his eight years I think probably more than Bill Clinton during his eight years though Bill Clinton did have a good bit of bipartisan legislation as well but certainly in three years time he has done more as far as legislation goes and bipartisan legislation than any president this Century we can say it it's true well you put your finger on it uh the reason they don't talk about the facts is that the facts make the case against them and they make the case for Biden the reason they talk about uh empty investigations that are going to go nowhere or photo op or the president accidentally slipping is that uh if they talk about the facts the the they're going to be in a defensive and losing position Biden has passed 300 pieces of bipartisan legislation or signed 300 pieces of bipartisan legislation in the first two and a half years he has created more jobs or overseeing the creation of more jobs in two and a half years than any other president has in four years last week while people were talking about you know the president slipping on a stage not only did you have another major legislative tribe yet the Secretary of State in Helsinki the city where Donald Trump kowtowed to Vladimir Putin and put down his own national security staff standing up and welcoming Finland into NATO a NATO that is stronger than ever and that is helping to defeat um uh uh Russia in what will be a big strategic victory for the United States of course they don't want to talk about the facts the facts are Kryptonite to the Republicans so David so why are Joe Biden's approval rating so anemic well first of all Joe Biden's approval ratings are based on what the coverage is and you've got half the country looking at a media bubble that doesn't cover his successes and then you've got the other half of the coverage looking at stories where as Mika said a minute ago people don't uh don't want to say hey look the president's doing all this good stuff because that might seem you know unbalanced you know we got to offer the Republican side except you know the Republican side is Donald Trump a former president about to be indicted again probably and again the Republican side is holding the country hostage in this fiscal uh debt crisis that they manufactured and we shouldn't have gone through the Republican side is during the last Administration achieving next to nothing and this one being one of the most productive administrations in probably 60 years probably since the Johnson Administration uh and so you know if the that story doesn't get out well of course the approval ratings aren't going to be quite as high but having said that in the last election it was Biden candidates doing well Trump candidates doing poorly in the last presidential election it was Biden winning Trump losing the Maga people are losing ground we saw that in the negotiations uh in the Congress last week so you gotta you gotta say to yourself maybe these popularity ratings don't matter so much when actual elections and actual results do David you're right that Biden has been in many ways a transformational president between the IRA and the Chip's axes you know launched an industrial policy in the United States that it simply didn't have before and stepped up pressure on China in in the process but these the issue around his age is not something just that the media brings up this is something when I talk to Democrats they raise it I mean Democrats up on the hill will raise the issue of Joe Biden's age clearly one poll after another shows that voters are concerned about an 80 year old running for president if you were advising the White House how would you advise them to tackle this issue well I'd advise them to tackle them exactly as they have you know Joe Biden said look this is my age you have to evaluate it for yourself but don't look at him in terms of one dimension evaluate it in terms of how much he has gotten done evaluate it in terms of how healthy he is versus other presidents evaluate his age and fitness versus the candidates he's actually running against evaluated against the quality of his team the people around him some of them are much much younger some of them it's the most diverse Administration in American history it is extremely competent it is working together extremely well the presidency is not a one-man job it's a kind of a corporate job and he's succeeding in that regard so you know I think Biden is saying look at the facts look at the truth look at what I've got done don't look at it one dimensionally and the other side is saying hey look over here at uh trans athletes and swim inmates you know which is just it's just not an issue that's because they're Running Scared from the Biden record okay YouTube is saying it will stop removing content that falsely claims the 2020 presidential election was stolen the move reverses the policy put in place more than two years ago amid a wave of misinformation the Google owned platform on Friday announced it wants to protect the ability to quote openly debate political ideas even those that are controversial or based on disproven assumptions I don't get that why do you want to do that why do you want to make sure disinformation spreads like wildfire me out here rev why do you want to be open to that you know the New York Times The Washington Post all these other places would be held liable well like Fox News if they put out false information and so YouTube is now saying we're cool with false information um which again I I still I'm just baffled why these big tech companies think that they just well they don't think that they don't have to live by the rules that everybody else is but they don't have to live by the rules that everybody else has to live by and that's one of the reason we're in trouble our democracy is in trouble and yeah you have again two years later you've got YouTube saying you know what we're fine with the conspiracy theories that almost took down American democracy we're fine with the conspiracy theories that led to riots on January the 6th we're fine with the conspiracy theories that again almost destroyed our election because it overturned a fair and free democratic election I mean explain this to me rev I don't understand well I wish I could explain it I mean it is an outrageous decision and the timing of it as we're getting heated up toward an election uh process and and the preliminaries starting uh within days I mean you already have candidates announcing your every week and now you're going to allow the the open the gates for disinformation I mean didn't we just see Fox uh news uh a hit with a huge judgment and a huge decision and you're going to go counter that I mean it makes no business sense and it makes no uh sense in terms of the future of of how we have discourse in this country it's an outrageous decision and I hope it's legally challenged by many people so let's uh get more on this from the co-anchor of cnbc's Squawk Box Andrew Ross Sorkin Andrew what's the reason I'll give you an explanation I'll give you an explanation um it may not be rational or maybe you'll think it's rational uh you may think it's shameful frankly which is that you we are now in this environment where big Tech and big companies writ large are so concerned about the regulatory uh world that they are confronting and frankly uh the House of Representatives that they could be confronting and others that are thinking about regulating them uh that this is one way they think to get in their better Graces I don't know if they're going to get in their good graces ever but that this is as much a political calculation as it is an economic one the economic one being if there is greater regulation against them uh that they're going to have a harder time down the line and interestingly Republican conspiracy theorists you're saying that they're doing this because they know that Republicans that might take control of Washington are conspiracy theorists who spread their lies that undermine American democracy they're so fearful they are so fearful of of of of this Republican party and you can look at um what Rhonda Sanchez has done in Florida I know we we talk about that and that's almost become symbolic of the situation but they're so fearful of that plus I think in some cases a sense um in parts of the country unfortunately who believe uh some of this misinformation that their services therefore aren't Fair more broadly now obviously I don't think we subscribe to that philosophy but uh there are there are enough uh people who have that view so unfortunately and so I think that they are unfortunately pandering uh to both of those perspectives now you mentioned the economic piece I can't imagine this helps with advertisers um it hasn't helped Elon Musk with advertisers so it's it's in that regard it's very very hard to understand how they get to this conclusion beijing's defense minister is defending the actions of a Chinese warship over the weekend that veered across the bow of an American destroyer in the Taiwan Strait NBC News correspondent Janice Mackey Frayer has more a close encounter with the Taiwan Strait the defense department releasing this video that it says shows a Chinese warship almost running into an American Destroyer on Saturday coming within 150 yards of it forcing the ship to slow down to avoid a collision the Navy ship had been conducting a joint military exercise with a Canadian frigate between Taiwan and Mainland China defense secretary Lloyd Austin calling on China's leaders to quote reign in that kind of conduct accidents can happen that could cause things to spiral out of control China's defense minister then blaming American provocations by even being in the area telling the U.S to quote mind your own business and take good care of your own people Navy vessels and jets all of it prompting a warning from the U.S we do not seek conflict or confrontation but we will not flinch in the face of bullying or coercion the most calls are happening more often the latest last over the South China Sea when a Chinese fighter jet flew across the nose of an American surveillance plane in a maneuver the U.S called aggressive earlier this year NBC News was on board a U.S Navy aircraft intercepted by a Chinese jet that flew 500 feet off the wing for over an hour China's saying it will continue to take necessary measures to protect sovereignty and security and this is Janice Mackey Frayer with that report let's bring in a member of the Foreign Relations Committee Democratic senator Ben Cardin of Maryland Senator a lot of cross-currents here but what do you make of Chinese the China moves that it seems so provocative so the warship coming ever so close and the American plane having to to ride in the wake of uh China's Well Mika it's good to be with you the freedom of the sea is a critically important for Commerce what China is doing is against international law we have a responsibility to make sure we keep these channels open to International Commerce and I think what the Secretary of Defense said is absolutely accurate uh China has to recognize that these provocative actions can spin out of control so it's very dangerous but we have to maintain the freedom of Commerce in the Seas so uh the China Seas have always been a little controversial with China but we must maintain the freedom there part of figuring out a strategy is to try and understand what the strategy is of the other side and in this case in China what do you think they're doing China is trying to establish itself as a power in the entire China Sea region it's not just the U.S interest there's so many other countries that are compromised by what China is trying to do including the Vietnam including Japan including South Korea so we we need to work with the Freedom of the Seas issues and make it clear that we are not going to back down from our ability to conduct International Congress and for our National Defense security reasons so uh we've got to be very clear we've got to stand up to China's bullioness we cannot allow them to get away with this type of intimidation we see it not just in the Seas we see it in the air as well but we have to recognize that China is becoming more belligerent and more of a military uh threat in the region so Senator the president is hosting the prime minister of Denmark and Great Britain this week uh Ukraine of course and NATO's response to Russia's Invasion will be top of Mind reports this morning um that there has that Russia is claiming they've repelled a significant what they say a significant Ukrainian incursion we all know to take the kremlins were with a grain of salt uh but tell us first of all what you may have heard about what's been happening there and just sort of your assessment as to where this conflict stands and and what Ukraine might need to accomplish during this counteroffensive we're at a critical moment on the counterfeits it is absolutely essential that Ukraine make progress and we have to give them the military equipment they need in order to have the best chance for Success uh it puts them in a much stronger position to hopefully figure out a way that we can end the open conflict and get Russia out of Ukraine so this is a critically important moment you can't as you said trust anything that comes out of the Kremlin as far as accuracy is concerned the truth is though that Ukraine is doing very well the international support is very strong and we are prepared to continue to help so we're optimistic that we will make progress during this counteroffensive and there will be an opportunity we hope for an off-ramp so that Russia can remove its troops from from Ukraine Senator there's a new report out in London from the Royal United Services Institute indicating the ways in which the Russian military has actually made corrections to the some of the missteps he made earlier on that they're better at using their infantry they're better now at pulling out Ukrainian positions I mean there is always some tendency for optimism bias I think in the west when it comes to Ukraine's chances but how much are you hearing about the degree to which Russia has improved its military tactics recently ahead of this spring effect now I guess summer offensive well we know Russia has a major military capability we know that but think back to February of last year no one would have predicted that Ukraine would be in existence today let alone where they are in on the battlefield so Ukraine has has been motivated they've been effective and they're continuing to be effective in holding back the Russian aggression this is Russia's war of aggression and Ukraine has defended its sovereignty with extreme Effectiveness so uh it may take longer we don't know how long it's going to take but Ukraine is going to maintain its sovereignty Ukraine is going to win this war Senator uh Supra one one is the concern domestically about we're spending a lot of money with Ukraine uh could that money be spent here in some of the things that are on the chopping block so to speak uh how do we deal with that going into a political year uh both Congressional Senate races and uh uh the presidential race and second secondly what uh can you tell us about the United States engagement in dealing with the conflict in Sudan I'm concerned we're not hearing a lot about that I've visited Sudan a few years ago and it's it's it's crazy what's going on Reverend Ukraine is the front line for democracy the Investments we're making with the ukrainians is for our own National Security defense we know that Russia would not stop with Ukraine we know that they would continue to default the countries they would continue beyond that it threatens our national security so this is an investment and it's one in which we think is is worth the price we're paying in order to preserve democracy not just in Europe but here in the in the United States Sudan's a tragic situation with both of the warring factors uh taking irresponsible action in regards to civilian losses it's a it's a tragedy we hope that the negotiations for a ceasefire uh will work we have our doubts uh the United States needs to be engaged in getting the parties to come to the table and negotiate so we are active in Sudan but as a facilitator and we will continue to do that Democratic senator Ben Cardin of Maryland thank you very much for coming on this morning we appreciate it and uh we also understand that you have announced your retirement so we wish you well sir I've been out so I'm not running for re-election not my retirement I'll still be here I like that okay but not running for reelection all right up next [Music] thank you
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