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let's get to the headlines this morning faced with a surging number of coronavirus cases president biden has announced sweeping new requirements for millions of federal workers under the new policy federal government employees and members of the military will have to sign forms acknowledging that they've been vaccinated or else comply with new rules for masking weekly testing social distancing and more the president is also urging state and local governments to offer a hundred dollars to anyone willing to get a shot voluntarily speaking from the east room yesterday biden delivered a sharp rebuke to those who are still unvaccinated and emphasized that the fight is still far from over nearly all of the cases hospitalizations and deaths due to covet 19 today are from unvaccinated people last month a study showed that over 99 of covet 19 deaths have been among the unvaccinated 99 this is american tragedy people are dying and will die who don't have to die if you're out there unvaccinated you don't have to die right now too many people are dying or watching someone they love dying and saying if i just got vaccinated america is divided between the majority of eligible people who are vaccinated and those who are not and i understand that many of you in the majority are frustrated with the consequences of the failure of the minority to get vaccinated but i want you to know i'm going to continue everything i can to encourage the unvaccinated to get vaccinated i know people talk about freedom but i learned growing up school and my parents with freedom comes responsibility your decision to be unvaccinated impact someone else [Music] unvaccinated people spread the virus they get sick and fill up our hospitals and that means if someone else has a heart attack or breaks a hip there may not be a hospital bedroom it's an american blessing that we have vaccines for each and every american we've made it our first and top priority to have available vaccines for every elderly american and that's never going to change as long as i'm here it's a shame it's just such a shame to squander that blessing perhaps nowhere is the latest coronavir surge more evident than in osage beach missouri the associated press was given access inside lake regional hospital there where 22 people died from the virus in the first 23 days of july they report daryl barker was passionately against a covid 19 vaccination and so were his relatives then 10 of them got sick and so did he i was strongly against getting the vaccine barker said through labored breathing just because we're a strong conservative family barker at just 31 years old ended up in the intensive care unit fighting for his life but just finding a hospital bed proved unbelievably difficult according to the ap with his local hospital maxed out with covet 19 patients doctors contacted a dozen hospitals in all corners of the state all were at capacity he arrived critically ill placed on a ventilator barker was given a 20 chance of surviving the doctor told me he was going to let my wife and kid in so i could say my goodbyes because he didn't think i was going to pull through he said barker who has been hospitalized for three weeks isn't out of the woods yet in missouri covet 19 hospitalizations have more than doubled since the start of june and the number of icu patients has more than tripled according to the ap many patients now are younger in their 20s 30s or 40s and sicker than ever before nearly everyone hospitalized is unvaccinated meanwhile a significant number of american health care workers are among the millions of people still unvaccinated nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez joins us now with a look at why gabe what did you find out you would think these are the people that know the most uh yeah mika good morning about one in four healthcare workers in this country still have not been vaccinated this is bellevue hospital in new york and healthcare workers actually rallied here last week against so-called vaccine mandates we spoke with another group in north carolina yesterday show of hands how many of you have gotten a copy vaccine these are four healthcare workers from different hospitals in north carolina why not we don't know what the long-term side effects are it also hasn't been proven to be effective the cdc and many public health experts say that it's more than 90 effective they do say that that hasn't proven to me to be true i'm not going to just jump on a bandwagon with something that has not been tested when you say that it hasn't been tested it has been tested though but not to the if you look at the normal the normal year span of how long something is tested it's usually 12 to 14 years before it comes to humans across the country about one in four healthcare workers still isn't vaccinated against covet and from north carolina to texas to new york anti-mandate protests are mounting i don't trust it right now so is the pushback this isn't the category of give me a bleeping break when did everyone get a medical degree for weeks we've spoken with many overworked healthcare workers who practically begged americans to get the shot what do you tell people who just don't believe you it's frustrating not these they say they're not anti-vaxx more anti-mandate and i'm not comfortable putting something into my body until i am ready if and when i'm ready to get the vaccine i will get it on my own accord i won't be forced you just don't trust the cdc i do not trust the cdc absolutely not and that fuels their skepticism i have the right to question anybody in this country i want a question you're entitled to an opinion but these are facts are they though are they facts and mika and joe that answer despite the fact that more than 40 000 people participated in the pfizer clinical trial alone still despite that those hosts those healthcare workers as you just saw are not convinced and i should mention overnight there's a report that's getting a lot of attention an internal cdc document first obtained and posted online overnight by the washington post says that the delta variant is as contagious as the chickenpox much more than previously thought all right nbc's gabe gutierrez thank you so much such an important report we really appreciate you uh bring it to us and being with us this morning i mean that that answer are they though are they really facts that's what i get when i have family members and friends sending me information from chinese religious cults uh from their websites and their conspiracy theories and you send them back facts and by the way i'm not sending them backs from an msnbc website i'll send back facts from the fox news website or the ap or the wall street journal and i'll say this is rupert murdoch's wall street journal and this is what they say are they are they though are those really the facts are those really the numbers are those oh people they didn't die those all those people didn't i doctors got paid for saying that somebody died of covid i i just got to say the idiocy and again everybody everybody's entitled in this country to be an idiot if you want to be an idiot you know i it's not not what i do but if you choose to be an idiot about your personal health and the personal health of your children and the personal health of your family the personal health of your mother and grandmother and father and grandfather that's your business your community that's fine that's your business but hospitals don't have to hire you the washington post doesn't have to hire you news outlets don't have to hire you banks don't have to hire you small businesses don't have but restaurants don't have to hire you so you have the right to be an idiot i want you to know that you have a right to deny science you have a right to practice voodoo medicine if you choose that's your choice but joe biden's right jonathan lemire at this point where i'm going at least and as i say i hang out in communities filled with trump supporters at this point a lot of people are getting really pissed off a lot of people are saying what's with the unvaccinated what's with this hyper individualism that that that basically says i have a right to do this and as joe biden said but no personal responsibility going along with that hyper individualism no concern for their country and what's in the best sense of their country no understanding or recognition of jesus's words do unto others that which you would do unto yourself it's all i have a right to infect my house to infect my community to kill everybody uh that that might just uh come in come in inside of me in a closed tight room i have that right and i'm not gonna that's fine but at some point you know what we gotta say you can't work for the federal government if you don't have a vaccine you can't teach school if you don't have a vaccine you can't work in hospitals if you don't have a vaccine you can't work with our parents and grandparents at long to lawn care term facilities if you don't have a vaccine this is common sense and i think joe biden is start starting to finally pick up what americans are thinking which is you know what if they want to do that to themselves that's their business but we need to move on with their life by the way something i've been saying now for six months they can do what they want to do but we don't have to eat with them we don't have to send our our parents and grandparents to hospitals with them like if they want to live uh in the you know the darkness at the edge of town that's their business they're americans but we don't have to let you go where we go do what we do if private businesses don't want to hire you for being so reckless with your health and everybody else's president biden praising some republicans recent push to get more americans vaccinated these however are the republicans biden will not be praising a number of house republicans yesterday marching over to the senate to protest reimposing mask mandates in the house speaking out against speaker nancy pelosi's push to mask up that is not a speaker for america that's a speaker only concerned about her own wealth her own direction and her own control this is the people's house seriously yeah do we really want to listen to this do we really i seriously like with the dumbest but here's my question is he really that dumb yeah i i don't know if he is or not i don't know if he just plays dumb on tv or if he's actually dumb but the question is how many of those house republicans are vaccinated how many members of the house are vaccinated because i know most of the democrats are we we we've been hearing that there are republicans that are still not vaccinated how many of those house republicans you saw right there are flying back to districts that are still hot with infections that are still dangerous with infections because the infections are growing in their parts of the country chances are pretty good if they're at a press conference like that chances are really good just looking at that map that they're all from red hot districts or most of them are from red hot districts and finally you just gotta ask you just gotta ask why aren't they following the example of governor k ivy why aren't they following the example of mitch mcconnell who's actually spending campaign money to get the message out in his district mitch mcconnell wears the mask and mitch mcconnell's been wearing a mask ahead of all the other republicans taking this seriously so this isn't like joe biden said this isn't a republican a democratic thing this this is an issue of life and death well and one of those republicans joe said that this is tyranny what's happening to them with the masks right so tyranny tyranny i wonder if they think it's tyranny that children have to get vaccinated before they go to kindergarten oh it's again what are they why are we just starting to hear about this i mean you talk about this hyper individualism with no personal responsibility you you actually have people that are snowflakes that melt that crumble that collapse if they have to wear a mask inside it's oh tyranny you're in the house of representatives you make laws for the united states of america you have some personal responsibility to your constituents do what mitch mcconnell's doing and stop making stupid political statements and doing those stunts i'd like to point out joe that a couple of those republicans some of them went and you know tried to defy the mask mandate in the house and were trying to get arrested putting their hand they can't even keep a straight face yeah i mean some of them and kevin mccarthy himself can't even keep a straight face when he's saying this this has been a joke for a lot of them uh from the the time donald trump said that the coronavirus was just one person coming in from china and it was going to be gone up to now over 600 000 people dead and uh and making a joke again if they if they don't care about people dying and again i'm sure a lot of them didn't care about older people dying again you we've got the clips if you want us to play the clips we'll be glad to play the clips of uh talk uh host types that you know they've old they've they've lived a long life why are we worried so much about them now it's the children now now it's their communities and if they don't care about that even it's the small business owners that run the economy it's the family businesses the family hardware store the family restaurant the entrepreneurs the thousands of hot entrepreneurs that create millions of jobs and and and grow this economy and a lot of you know what they they did make it a lot these small business owners uh family business owners uh sometimes passed down from generation to generation whether it's a hardware store or it's that family restaurant that you've been going to in your in your town for a long time those people need your help they need to make sure they can keep their doors open and if you're in one of those hot zones that the cdc said you know help those small business owners out help those entrepreneurs out help that family business out they've been with you shoulder to shoulder through the years you be with them if you're in one of those hot red zones help them out get a vaccination and when you go in there don't be a snowflake help them out wear a mask if if if if it's going to help them if it's going to help the health of your community and yes if it's going to help your own family let's bring right now host the podcast on brand with donnie deutsch donnie deutsch also the republican strategy strategist nemesis nbc political analyst susan del persia also chief correspondent of new york times magazine mark libovich uh susan del percio you and i former republicans i think maybe you're still a republican i don't know but anyway okay so you're still a republican okay then i can have you talk about your party um it's it's really it's gina and i were just talking about this people have a right to be stupid but they shouldn't have a right to make our children and our parents and our grandparents sick how long how long does this go with people like kevin mccarthy when does he start following the lead of mitch mcconnell on vaccines on masking probably when he sees poll numbers reflect it and don't forget he's probably mccarthy is also getting a lot of pressure from donald trump to play a certain game that's one of the reasons why they meet and talk and and there's no doubt about it all mccarthy's going to do is whatever donald trump wants but you know i think when this starts to change there's got to be a couple of things cdc has to do a better job of communicating that this is where we are today and things can change there's nothing wrong that science has shown us that we now have to mask up because people are not getting vaccinated that's okay but they need to explain that that can change yet again the other thing we need to see are some of these states like arkansas which has a ban on wearing a mask they need to lift that band so people can stay healthy and then finally i don't think we start really seeing this break a lot until maybe next this time next year when children especially those you know over the age of 12 probably will be required by their state to be vaccinated something you've talked a lot about joe that all of us have had to be vaccinated to start kindergarten i think once it's approved by the fda we're going to see more of that happen which will in fact help us raise that rate of vaccinated people around the country yeah i agree with you cdc has to do a better job communicating it's almost like they're scared of their own shadow right now it's all right to say yes we lifted the mask mandate a couple of months ago guess what a lot of idiots didn't get the vaccination and and because of that guess what there's a new variant out there that's like a hundred times more contagious than any other variant kids are starting to fill up uh pediatric wards we have to actually save people's lives so this is our recommendation if you live in areas with a lot of idiots around you that haven't been vaccinated that are are going well i don't know if the facts are the fact with 99 of of americans uh that are in hospitals right now or the unvaccinated if you live in those states wear a mask save yourself save your children save your parents save small business owners save entrepreneurs save family businesses do it for them do it for everybody this is bigger than any partisan discussion this is about the integrity and the strength and equity of our democracy that's what's under assault we saw a violent assault on the united states capital and we saw that then metastasized in voter suppression bills all across the country this is a moment and we have to stand up it is the responsibility of congress to provide baseline federal standards for voting and i intend to do my job democratic senator raphael warnock of georgia who's leading the democrats effort to bring revised voting rights legislation to the floor of the senate before the summer recess there's also a similar renewed push in the house where 35 house democrats who were all elected in 2018 many of whom are facing tough re-elections sent a letter to house speaker nancy pelosi and senate majority leader chuck schumer calling for a new tailored version of a voting bill to focus on reinstating protections under the voting rights act while eliminating proposals not directly related to ballot access and the members of congress behind this push join us now representative alyssa slotkin of michigan veronica escobar of texas and colin allred also from texas and also with us from this conversation is author poet and writer in residence at vanderbilt university caroline randall williams good to have you all on board alyssa slotkin i'll start with you what it is exactly that you would like to be included in the voting rights act to really secure voting for all americans well i think we came together as a group of folks who had been freshmen in 2018 who came in on an agenda of reform to say that the most important thing the most foundational thing we can do is voting rights and it's time to get serious to push and create that momentum and to say to our leadership that we're willing to come back in august whenever they call us back because it's so fundamental so that was the point and you know we're open of course we support all the ideals that were in the original hr one our original reform bill but voting rights is essential and we need to start there congresswoman uh escobar um there's obviously been a lot of talk about hr1 hr4 and and the need to make a good bit of changes uh to hr1 have you seen the the changes that joe manchin has made and are those the sort of changes uh that you all are looking at adopting as well good morning thanks so much for having us on we have not yet seen the details from the senate we know the general framework but we also know more importantly where the threats are and where they're coming from in a state like mine texas literally we are going to lose our democracy through texas unless we do something in about a week the texas house democrats that broke quorum in their state legislature and came here to washington dc to urge us to take action they are going to have to make a decision the the special session ends for them and when they fly back or if they fly back a new one will begin there will be extreme gerrymandering there will be limited access to the ballot box for the disabled for people of color and then in in about two weeks that's when the extreme gerrymandering begins so time is of the essence um the clock is running out and we would like to see a bill and work on a bill and pass a bill in august that addresses what's happening in texas and other states that will disenfranchise millions of people congressman susan del percio sorry congressman allard why not reintroduce hr4 instead of trying to revise h.r 1 which does have so many extras if you will and keep it to the voting rights act i think a very stripped downed piece of legislation could have a better chance of success so i'm just curious about the decision there we want to do both we think that hr 4 is extremely important i was a voting rights litigator actually litigated under the voting rights act i want to restore the voting rights act and you're going to see hr 4 moving very quickly in the month of august but we also recognize that this is a two-pronged strategy i feel very strongly that we need to have both a sword in terms of the affirmative expansions and national standards of hr1 s1 the modified version that i think senator manchin has said he could support and also the shield of hr4 which will protect us against some of the discriminatory laws that have been passing but also give us pre-clearance which is so important particularly for late changes to election laws you know so whether or not these are rolled into one bill eventually i think it may be you know a discussion further along the line but we're going to do both and i think we should and i don't think that they are mutually exclusive so georgia republicans have reportedly begun the process of replacing one of the state's top election officials in a letter obtained by the atlanta journal constitution two dozen state senators reportedly signed off on a performance review of fulton county elections chief richard barron fulton is georgia's largest county and played a key role in joe biden winning the state last november and democrats retaking the senate in january under georgia law the state election board can replace county officials following a performance review in their place a temporary superintendent would have full authority over the county's voting process democrats warned the attempt is a scheme to suppress the vote in georgia state republicans have justified the audit by claiming quote repeated and systemic election process failures despite those claims multiple recounts have discredited any allegations of voter fraud in the state so carolyn there are really two two sort of baskets of of of threats to democracy uh and one is making it more difficult for people to vote especially people of color uh and that's the beginning of the process i i think actually even far more dangerous than that are these types of pieces of legislation or these proposals where even after the vote you have legislatures republican legislatures that say you know what we're going to just take over the counting of the voting in georgia in texas and arizona maybe up in michigan and all of these swing states republicans want to take over fire election officials uh and and then determine who gets the electoral votes from those states right and it's sort of this radical act of erasure that is a marked regression um that is just reminiscent of uh to me jim crow right and i'm not the first i'm not remotely the first person to be talking about this but i think that um we should all be frightened by that because it's uh an active step back from our access to democracy our access to the tools of suffrage that allow us to move america in the direction that is the will of the people for example the outcome of the 2020 election um and i think that this resistance to helping and allowing america to uh enact the laws that are the will of its people um is the the danger inherent in those kind of choices is so stark um and i think that you know i'm thinking about what happens if these bills don't pass and i think that maybe we're just facing a moment when it's time to start marching across bridges again um and i think that we're facing a moment when we're looking at a country that doesn't want the will of the people to manifest itself or the pat the leadership is not enabling the will of the people to manifest itself and i think we just have to um pick up our sword and our shield as congressman alvarez said and figure out what we're going to do next because i think that there are some there's some machinery that's been activated that is going to require um other kinds of activism to navigate congresswoman slotkin it's uh jonathan lemire it's been well defined just now the threats to democracy the threats to the ballot uh we heard from president biden a week or so ago i was there when he gave a fiery speech in philadelphia saying this is the greatest threat the nation has faced since the civil war and we know that he has had a number of meetings with lawmakers civil rights leaders who have all focused around the same thing that it has to be a legislative solution and for that to happen the filibuster has to go he notably has not called for that yet so let me just put it to you bluntly could president biden be doing more well i think listen our letter and the point of our letter was to create real momentum and to say like we get it there's a ton of priorities there's a ton of things we're all working on infrastructure we're all caring about the things that that mean a lot to our districts but foundational is voting rights there is no more important thing than making sure people have free and easy access to the ballots um to the ballot box so i i think it's just to add a little bit of umph and say that lawmakers are ready to come back and do this i do think that it is um also pushing for a clear strategy i feel like people are asking me all the time what is the plan like we're watching this happen in slow motion and i don't want a year from now for us all to be sort of saying what more could we do so we need the sword and the shield we need federal legislation and then as as your last guest said we need organization on the ground right we all watched in georgia what voter registration and voter education did it's a combination of what we do at the federal level and what people can do on the ground we need both in order to do what we need to do this year well victoria same question to you what should joe biden do what should the bite administration do are they are they taking all the steps that need to be taken right now i think that the voice of the president the vice president and all of the resources available to the white house could really help continue to build that momentum but also help get us across the goal line i know that joe manchin cares about voting rights he has talked about it and so now is the time to act with urgency and to realize that we are about to go off a cliff that will be very hard to come back from and as alissa mentioned we cannot watch our democracy be taken from us and the voices of some of the most vulnerable people of color the disabled just completely silenced as we try to face some major challenges going forward and now to a column in national review that's come up in conversation on our show a number of times this week the piece is entitled the american right hits its hippie face and its author columnist kevin d williamson joins us now also with us is author and host of the public radio program studio 360. kurt anderson his best-selling book evil geniuses is out in paperback next month it's good to have you both on with us this morning um so let's talk about go ahead john no i was just going to say by the way any any uh national review piece that has the word hippie in its title uh we are required by law to actually put uh the author of that piece uh on so thank god it was kevin uh but i actually i want to start with uh with kurt and re the reason i wanted you to be part of this is i remember reading evil geniuses you were talking a lot about uh the rise of the right and what caused it starting the 70s and you talked about uh you talked about there were like left-wing bombings almost weekly and it would repel people like for instance my parents living in the suburbs of georgia in the late 60s your dad as you've said in nebraska and now it's crazy i was explaining earlier this week talking about kevin's piece that my parents were lifelong democrats who became republicans in the late 60s in part because of that violence because of chicago 68 the chaos in the street and now here we are 40 years later and you've got republicans former republicans in the suburbs of atlanta voting democratic electing two democratic senators and uh getting joe biden elected president of the united states talk about this crazy turn uh of the left and the right that kevin writes about well i i i like the piece very much and uh read it earlier this week it is the it's part of many role reversals that we've seen and and really it was in the book before evil geniuses that i published fantasyland in which i talk about many of the same things that kevin did in this piece of national review and and you know it it was a long time coming it's not sudden and as i said in fantasyland you you had the the kind of hippie new age anti-reason anti-science mysticism cultism all of that stuff was obviously rampant uh in in the late 60s you also at the same time had a had a certain amount of protestant christianity in america going nuts as well in my view um and and you had the academic oh there is no react there is no objective reality there's no empirical reality science is is just another ideology you had all of those things forming this river that here in the in the 90s now the right uh uh accepted and and was influenced by much more than the left and the liberals who had abandoned this as kevin says dionysian thinking by 1980 so it's it's it's you know you live you live long enough as i have and and it gets insane because there's this absolute role reversal yeah kevin it is insane like the very things that drove not only my parents but me my friends like you know respect for institutions respect for order respect uh for for uh you name it go down the line just for for sort of establishment and again the whole idea to conserve civilization um it's it's all changed and you write about it brilliantly in this piece can you can you explain it to our our viewers you know i think you hit on it there when you talk about the attitudes toward authority and institutions you know the 1950s 1960s early days of the conservative movement you have a right that's very much focused on social order tradition hierarchy uh institutions and and authority and you have a counter culture which is broadly allied with the political left but not completely synonymous with it that is engaged in these kind of ritual violations of middle class norms and uh this kind of assault upon uh you know bourgeois sensibility and over the years you've seen that reverse and i think that what's really going on here is that progressives since the 1970s 1980s have been really very successful in their program of building power within the institutions you know in media universities education more generally but also in big business places like that and you have a right that has reacted to that by denigrating these institutions perceiving them as being enemies they feel like the cultural norms are being imposed on them by people with values that are alien to theirs and so they've taken up this very similar kind of uh theater of making these kind of ritual violations of the expectations of what is now polite society and uh institutional norms kevin i i as i said i i like the piece very much and and and i i've said uh preach as i as i read it but do you think that the people on the right the the the rabble you're talking about as opposed to the mitch mcconnells of the world who are not behaving in any counter-cultural fashion do they is it all about simply a kind of super individualist selfishness or or is there a actually an ideology involved yeah i don't think it's about individualism at all and i don't think the counterculture in the 60s and 70s was either if you know you look at the hippies you look at the punks they all dressed alike they all listen to the same music uh they all have the same politics it was a it was a great deal of conformism i think it's a lot more to do with tribalism than it has to do with uh with individualism so that kind of fits into republican politics in the sense that uh from the 1950s onward republicans were very strongly anti-statist so you've got people like newt gingrich coming into office and making kind of a great joke i thought where he said rome wasn't burned in a day when people were complaining about how long him to to get things done so to that extent the you know kind of anti-establishment anti-anti-institutional thinking on the right fits in with the natural part of its politics but i think it has to do more with a shift in where power actually is located in society the story i like to tell is uh on the guy who works for that other magazine you were talking to earlier i went to a uh seminar of theirs and it was a bunch of people talking about you know the evils of capitalism and how it was oppressing people and how people who weren't white men you know couldn't achieve any power in society and it was sponsored by facebook google deloitte chase bank and a few places like that so you've really seen a change in where cultural power resides including in areas that are traditionally thought of as being allies conservatives like big business particularly banking and finance and now technology yeah you know it's it's very interesting yeah kevin you talk about hell uh all hippies stressed the same the punks all dressed the same uh my son's uh my son's theory is that the most punk song ever uh was sweet home alabama because it went so far against the tide of attacking neil young and everything else but um uh that's just a sidebar uh but uh talk about the culture and i guess that song actually bounces very well to this talk about i mean i come from the south i come from southern baptist church and and you know we growing up uh the late 60s into the 70s felt constantly under siege under siege and mocked and ridiculed whether it was by sneering people on tv news or hollywood or academics i mean i went to university of alabama and university of florida uh in the 80s university of alabama in the age of reagan and you know i didn't have a conservative professor in history political science and i mean you name it i'm i liked it that way i mean it actually i got to challenge a lot of a lot of my beliefs and it was totally fine with me but talk about because kurt was talking about this individualism i wonder how much of this has to do with them just feeling like they're so under siege and have been under siege for such a long time that this is the only way to strike back yeah well i think you hit on it with sweet home alabama which is just kind of you know purely reactionary of people responding to uh criticism and perceived condescension and that sort of thing so you've got an element of people who feel like they have lost power to which they are entitled and when people feel like they don't have power they will take extraordinary steps to seek it out including you know embracing allies that they wouldn't normally uh excusing things in in public figures they wouldn't normally excuse so i think that is really part of what what you know describes and and explains this you know radical change in expectations and say the republican party about the behavior of public figures presidential candidates things like that about the you know acceptability of certain aspects of political discourse and and those sorts of things yeah it seems kevin oh i i'm sorry kurt i was going to say kurt how bizarre is it also though that that this very same people that preached order and talked about you know uh democrats not uh respecting institutions they're now striking out against institutions even the flag how how much have we heard of like the left disrespects the flag and here you have uh certain people on television defending uh the the the beating and the abusing of police officers with american flags and accusing the cops accusing the cops of being actors well again that's another one of the role reversals imagine if what happened on january 6 had indeed been antifa had been a left-wing thing i mean that was the cartoon caricature of what the socialist revolutionaries of the late 60s were supposed to do and of course never did anything of the sort um and and as well i mean it goes on and on and and it's why i thought this piece was so interesting and provocative i mean who are the people who trust more than the right let's say the fbi and the cia these days well it's liberals it's people on the left um uh you know who are the cultural conservatives really who keep their families together and so forth again as kevin has written about in in other pieces it's it's it's liberals it's it's the affluent successful people who for a couple of years in the late 60s and early 70s perhaps um had long hair and went to protests and got high yeah it's it's it's really a fascinating turn yeah the national review is entitled the american right hits its hippie phase kevin d williamson thank you thank you kevin we really appreciate it a great piece and uh kurt thank you as well i and and yeah i think i i i'd love to read a piece uh from one of you or both of you in sweet home alabama sometime there's something about driving in a car in 1974 and hearing the line watergate does not bother me does your conscience bother you this makes you just not go what what are these kurt's best seller evil geniuses is out in paperback on august 10th uh thank you both for uh joining us this morning [Music] you

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Keywords: MSNBC, MSNBC latest, Politics, News, Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough, Mika Brzezinski, Willie Geist, MSNBC news, MSNBC live, MSNBC TV, news, breaking news, current events, US news, politics, politics news, political news, elections, morning joe full, morning joe live, morning joe today

Id: ZMwQCz3iq5s

Length: 43min 7sec (2587 seconds)

Published: Fri Jul 30 2021