WATCH LIVE: Sixth Wife Murder Trial — NV v. Thomas Randolph Day Seven

the journey foreign all right we are going to pick up where we left off on Friday stay in my calendar next week it'll call Toby Maldonado to the stamps foreign my name is Toby Maldonado t-o-b-y-m-a-l-d-o-n-a-d-o thank you very much what did you used to do for a living I was a police officer with Las Vegas Metro Police Department okay how long did you spend with Metro uh 29 years all right and when you retired um when you retired what position were you within Metro uh police Sergeant okay um tell me a little bit about your background where did you work throughout your career over the 29 years um most of my career probably 90 of it was in the field service division which is basically uniform so okay basically Patrol and then I focused a lot on the training aspect of it so we trained all the academy recruits and field training to get them ready to go out on okay Patrol um I want to turn your attention to May 8th of 2008 were you working on that day yes uh were you working as a patrol Sergeant on that day yes and were you called out to 6517 Rancho Santa Fe Drive a 911 coming out approximately at 844 and 54 seconds yes all right um I'd like you to if you could explain to the jury when you arrived as a patrol sergeant and and they've heard that you know it's a shooting call when you arrive to a shooting call what are some of the basic responsibilities when you first get to that scene um immediately we want to contact try to find any kind of victims or Witnesses and try to determine where the crime occurred if there's a crime and then try to you know render Aid to anybody that may be injured and and or then secure the scene and wait for you know depending on the call call Investigative Services or medical or whoever's Nest you know whatever's necessary at that point okay and when you arrived at this scene what were some of the basic details that you had either coming over the radio or when you immediately arrive there um we received information there had been a shooting at the house on Santa Fe Drive I think or wherever but Rancho Santa Fe yes um and that the homeowner had shot that his wife had been shot by a suspect and that the homeowner had shot the suspect so your understanding is there's three people on the side inside the house yes okay when you arrive how many people are there initially I just won okay like outside the house with the victim or the uh the person reporting was there and and we're talking about you're talking about civilians is that correct you said just the one I'm now talking about police officers so how many officers start to arrive when I got there there were probably two or three other patrol cars already there okay at that point had anyone entered the Residence at that point no all right who makes these sort of calls at this point is there a chain of command about deciding about when you enter when not to enter things like that that would be the ranking officer on the scene and in this case it would have been me all right so uh tell us what happens you arrive on the scene there's two or three Patrol callers call cars there what do you do at that point um as I remember somebody had I didn't speak to the person reporting there somebody had gotten some basic information about what happened and then I put together either a three or four Man team to go in and check on the house and check on the person that had been shot inside all right I'd like to if I just see if I hit this button if it'll get going on I wanna before does this look General I know this is a long time ago but does this look familiar to you um it does a little bit yes okay and what does it remind you of the house where the call occurred okay so when you arrive is the garage door open or closed at this point let's first get there as I remember the garage door was closed okay I'm publishing one so it's closed um so you don't um so you said there were there were two or three or four of you right how do you enter the home um we basically just form and it's called like an element you know one two three four you go into the house and everybody has a responsibility like who opens the door who does this who does that and then we basically go through the front door and then just start conducting a quick search for any uh any victims and and this is kind of goes back to what you were saying at first trying to identify any victims and potentially kind of secure a scene yes okay so you enter through the front door what do you remember observing that catches your attention um as we walk through I remember I remember one of the officers Mike Mitchell he was the first one through and there was a female on the ground that had been shot and as soon as we saw her I asked him I said is she alive is she breathing or anything like that and he's like no she's she's gone so when you say him who is the him that'd be uh officer Mitchell okay so he gives you an indication that in his opinion that she's she's gone by this point yes okay um does she appear to be moving at all no all right um are you familiar with a term called clearing a house yes what is that it's uh Clearinghouse is basically where you just go in a systematic manner room to room to room of the home and you check it depending on what you're doing if it's not a search warrant you're checking for bodies or are you looking for victims or possible suspects at that point okay you you had mentioned that you had heard over either radio or through a briefing that the homeowner's wife was shot by the Intruder and that he had shot the intruder at that point yes after locating this woman do you take additional steps at that point in time when you're doing that first walk through to go find the intruder you can but I made a decision at that point and this is in the myths and I remember in that time period of the late you know like 2008 2009 the department had made it um they were making a very good effort to try to avoid any kind of police shootings so could we've gone in the house and cleared it maybe encountered suspect probably but I decided at that point look there's nobody else in the house except maybe a suspect because we didn't know where the suspect was okay so I decided let's just leave the house secure the house and call for the SWAT unit to come and clear the house okay so when you walk in through the front door you guys find the female wherever she was located right yeah and then you may you make the determination we're stopping now and everybody exits correct yes and the entryway was the front door not the garage yes okay so you make a decision to call bring in swat yes so how does that sort of unfold does SWAT go into the house next or does something different happen well at that point you basically um you secure the home from the outside you have officers on the perimeter and then you just basically wait for um the SWAT team will always come out with an investigative unit like a detective or whoever and then they will put together a plan and then they'll make a tactical entry into the home okay so the I'm assuming more and more officers are arriving as time is going by correct these officers though at this point in time are standing outside the perimeter of home not going inside yes and at this point is the garage door still closed yes all right um so what happens with SWAT do they actually go inside this residence as I remember SWAT never came out why not the loot it was my lieutenant at the scene um he decided that the house could be cleared with the officers that were already present that we didn't need to wait for SWAT okay so they may have been called to the scene but they ultimately do not the SWAT team does not go through this resonance correct so all those feet never make it inside that house correct okay there's been some talk about possibly a canine unit coming out what do you remember about the canine unit I remember the canine unit cleared the garage when the garage door opened the canine unit went in with probably two or three other officers and he announced that hey there's a suspect in the suspects in the garage and he's deceased okay um and then where else do they go if they were going to click I didn't see them at this point I just you know I'm already a couple of houses down so because I knew they had gone to the garage and at that point they'd probably do a room to room clearing of the home okay um do you recall whether or not the canine unit goes into the backyard part of the house there may have been more than one canine unit serve because I remember there was a canine unit in the backyard okay all right so let's do this are you familiar with what's called like a catalog or an incident recall log yes all right um and you've reviewed that in advance of coming here is that correct all right I'm publishing what's been marked as it states 325 so what it what do we have here in the middle here what is this I can't see that oh you can't see it all right well how about this all right thank you Sergeant is it easier to see how far it is okay so when we look in the middle here what is it what is this indicating now that's the address of where the incident is occurring all right and this this long number here on the left what is this that's the event number that's generated by the computer to keep track of all the calls and is that that's generally the time when the call was received 2045 yes okay but if a 911 call said it was 20 44 and 54 seconds you wouldn't dispute that correct correct okay six seconds difference right all right so if we look um here at um 8508 what's the time here 20 45 and and can you read that out it says PR's wife shot and PR also shot suspect what does PR stand for with person reporting all right um a minute later there's another entryway entry here what does this say uh why possibly shot in head in hallway PR shot suspect in the garage unknown but it's still there um Mike unknown last name BMA okay um two minutes later at 2047 can you please respond or read what it says here and okay uh PR's advising the suspect is still in a garage unknown if he's 419 uh that means dead okay requesting to be transferred to Medical for advice for the wife all right a minute later can you please read this entry here uh where we're at again sorry I apologize um at 2048 if you can read this Century here it's three lines okay suspect is known to PR has been scamming him suspect is laying in the garage not moving PR locked door so suspect is locked in the garage PR just took the males 413 away and is now in the residence with him what does 413 stand for a gun all right 2049 that's a minute later what does this entry say PR set the phone down there's an open Line open line with PR saying Sharon and crying okay a minute later what is it saying here PR advising wife doesn't have a pulse FD getting CPR instructions all right um if you could read a 20 52 what does this say here 3x3 that's the unit call sign have homeowner open garage all right and at 2052 what's it saying here mail advice to Open Door and then it says uh the LL means that their landline that they're using a landline phone okay at 2053 what is it saying here uh 3x7 any other units stop traffic so what does that mean uh generally they're blocking off the street to prevent cars from driving in front of the residents okay I want to look at this entry at 2057 so this is approximately 12 minutes after this call started please read out what it says here uh 548 not able to clear residents safety request slot who is 548 that's me because that was your call sign on that yes so what did you what does that mean is that essentially what you were saying that you didn't clear the house at that point and you're requesting SWAT right we didn't have any information where the suspect was in the house um so we didn't know if he was barricaded if he was waiting to Ambush us and at that point knowing that the wife that the female wasn't alive there wasn't like a pressing need to clear the house immediately okay so at the same entry time it's just the next entry but it's still at 2057 please read out what it says um carrying units clearing hearing units clearing residence while landline and it says 27 slash is that a reference to the dispatcher or that's probably the console that she's using the 27. okay um two minutes from that at 20 59 what to say here 305 hatch has Shield if needed what does that mean 305 is the lieutenant that's uh Lieutenant Alba and he did have a ballistic shield in his car all right um at 2101 what's it saying here uh 548 half SWAT standby okay that's you again correct yes okay so you're giving another instruction for SWAT not to go into this residence or to not or actually like they weren't even there so I was just telling them look they're at that point Lieutenant Alba who said look we can do we can clear the house ourselves we don't need to have swad so I told the dispatcher okay just have SWAT stand by now like don't have them come out yet all right um at 2103 so this is now at 903 um please read out what it says here 563 GC need units to control uh ped traffic that's the pedestrian traffic all right a minute later if you could read out this entry uh 3x3 one subject confirmed 419 in hallway with a with 413 by them okay what does that mean um 3x3 is the call sign of the unit um one subject is confirmed dead in the hallway with a gun next to them all right um looking at 2106 um please read this entry uh 3x need air to check balcony type covering on the west of residence right and then this last entry down here what does this say 3x put Spotlight on the garage um what what is that instruction signify basically to illuminate to use the spotlights on the police vehicles to illuminate the garage door okay I want to turn your attention to the next page of this exhibit and the entry is 2112 if you can read this entry here k912 can see foresight and three side but not the two side okay what does that mean what is k912 k912 is K9 is the canine unit the units with the dogs and 12 is his call sign in that unit all right so what does four side three side and two side mean um the swap guys are going to kill me but uh the uh basically each side is each side of a home has a number so like for example the front of home is a one okay the left side's a two the backyard's of three and it goes clockwise I believe so under this entry the canine unit is indicating it can see the four side which would be the back part of the house right if one is the front right the four is the back it says it can see the three side correct yes and the two side yes it's not indicating the front side correct not from this no okay um what's the next entry say at 2113 uh C13 Larry Burns advice landline will call 548 on cell all right so um who's Larry Burns at this time uh Larry Burns was the slot Commander okay and he advised on the landline he'll call for 548 so calling EU yes on a cell um at 2113 what does the century say it says units trying door all right 2115 two minutes later we have another canine 12 entry what does it say here a lot of toys in backyard unknown if juveniles live at the residence okay it says have grandkids they basically they have grandkids but none live in the residence all right so again a K-9 unit is reporting things being seen in a backyard yes all right um at 2117 two two minutes later after that um what did it say here says doors opening okay and then the next entry says body and garage all right and then at 21 19 what's it saying uh K9 8 subject and garage is 419. 2118 583 GC interior cleared 2118. okay so the Kane k98 is one is another canine unit correct okay subject is in a garage is indicated 419 I think he said 419 meant what uh Dead all right what does the 211858 GC and clear 2118 what's that uh the 2118 is the time okay and then 583 GC is the um the unit the 500 is the units it's a sergeant GC is I'm if I remember it's gang crimes so it was a gang crime Sergeant okay and they're saying interior clear yes okay so at 2118 it appears there's an entry into the garage according to this catalog unit yes all right are there any other units other than 583 GC and the k98 being reported as being in this garage according to this entry no the catalog one minute later at 2120 if you can read this notation AMR advised a delay what does AMR stand for AMR is American Medical rescue or it's basically the paramedics okay so they're being advised of delay yes at 2121 could you please indicate what it says there 3x3 request Medical all right 21 21. and then the next entry down two minutes later what does it say here it says 3x garage to rear of residence not cleared okay in the backyard was there a shed I don't know I was I didn't go in the back okay all right so you're not sure exactly what that's referencing but there 3x meaning it's an officer is indicating hey there's a garage to the rear of the resonance that's not being cleared correct okay um I think here it says 3x Chan clear what's Chan stand for uh Channel okay that's kind of radio frequencies I guess yeah the um there was a code right on the channel so that's just this repetitive beeping noise that goes out every like four to five seconds so when the chat and that means nobody can talk on the radio unless you have to okay they cleared the channel they mean that it's basically you're free to talk on the radio okay at 2154 which is almost an hour and 10 minutes later what is the entry here um via am media is arrived okay so that's maybe media members are maybe showing up to the neighborhood yeah uh this is just indicating that somebody had sent the dispatcher a message over the computer and that the media was starting to arrive all right this entry near the bottom at 2200 so that's going to be at approximately 10 o'clock at night please read out what it says here MC1 requested ID via landline MC1 was connected directly to CS4 for ID request so ID what does that stand for idea is short for our criminalistics or CSI these people know him as okay so that's when the record so MC1 is an officer that's there correct yeah MC1 is the major crimes detective okay the most senior right because these numbers he's number one yeah so senior senior crimes detective there he's on the scene and he is requesting that csa's come out yeah right at approximately 10 o'clock at night yes at 1002 can you read this entry here uh 1002 will be FD rescue 9 and engine 9 that responded also AMR AMR 5907 and 5931. all right what is what does that mean uh those are the the engine company from the fire department that responded so they had rescue 9 and engine 9 so that basically means like the engine 9 is the big fire truck the rescue nines they're like their van their paramedic van and then AMR 5907 and 5931 are the two AMR units they responded all right um You have two more entries here at 2204 and 2205 you can just read those two out okay um left message for tips what is tips it's the volunteer program trauma Intervention Program it's it's volunteers that respond to talk to family members or friends survivors okay so it's kind of volunteers that help out it yeah scenes okay so they're being left a message and then what's the next thing say 710a request medical for PR all right at 2209 it's saying tips enr what does the enr stand for that they're enroute okay and also ER can also stand for that correct yes all right ETA means what estimated time of arrival yes a 2215 there's this entry here if you can read that out uh 305 3ps61 okay to let homeowners come in off of rent rainbow in Rancho Santa Fe okay so typically if you have a crime scene and it's nearby a major roadway are there steps sometimes where you guys block off people coming in and out yes all right and this is a residential neighborhood yes what what's so what's happening here in this instruction uh basically it looks like per the lieutenant it's okay to start letting homeowners come in it looks like off of one side of the street okay and this is about two and a half I think it's about well it said it's at 10 15 at night correct okay I'm at 2303 there's an entry here what is that saying 548 request grave units to assist because that's maybe what a transition Squad of another Patrol officers things like that yes um and then at 2310 what's it saying here uh 3x3 call tips they can leave per homicide all right I have no further questions this week's morning sir morning what time did you arrive on this call I don't know the exact minute hour in a minute do you think looking at it would help professional elections sure uh looks like 858 is when the dispatcher indicated I arrived okay and how does the dispatcher get that info usually we will announce over the air that we're arriving or we'll hit the arrive button on our computer or those real that's really the only two ways or she hears it through somebody else like if I don't announce or I don't hit the arrive button which happens then she'll either hear somebody like she'll she'll hear me on the radio giving directions oh he's out there already so she'll put two and two together and figure out that someone's her and just so the ladies and gentlemen the jury understand how this computer aided dispatched this CAD report works there's a 911 operator that Fields a 911 call right yes and that individual has the ability to talk to the pr the person reporting on the phone correct yes and they also have the ability to type into a computer all the line items that you see there right yes and those line items are then directed to First Responders and secondary responders and specialized units within the field have access to that computer yes you mentioned you hit your arrive button on your computer you have a computer in your actual Patrol yes and it has a keyboard so you can enter information yes and it has a specific specific button that allows you to announce your arrival yes okay you understand that as the dispatcher is taking in information from the person or person's reporting that's entered into that system right yes so you would agree with me that there's more information coming in probably than goes out into the cat right yes okay and you also agree with me that there's a number of line items there that don't have extensive verbiage just kind of call signs and either a four letter code or a 400 code or a unit response that you recognize as part of your job at Metro right yes and the prosecutor just kind of read you the more detailed ones that were typed in right yes okay can I retrieve that so you indicated that you arrived at 2058 right yes so if the call came in at 2044 how many minutes is that 14 14. okay and even assuming if the call came in at 20 45 you get there 13 minutes later right yes you're not the first unit on scene no no there's a number of units on scene yes and those include marked Patrol Vehicles yes some of them with one person per car these if I remember they were all single man units or single officer units so there's a there's people there when you get there without looking at the log probably at least two okay and they're out of their cars already yes if they approached the house already no I don't know um I don't remember where they were when I initially arrived typically they would somebody would have approached the home just to kind of watch the front door you have access to the information that's being relayed by the dispatcher through the cad system right yes you do not have access to the call that's happening between the person reporting and the 911 operator right yes 9-1-1 operator would choose what to put in this CAD report yes do you remember when the prosecutor asked you the question about a garage door do you remember that yes you remember what that question was uh was the garage door open or closed do you remember when the prosecutor asked you about the person record reporting requesting Medical remember that yes towards the end yes so I'm talking about early on in the call do you remember that no I don't which one are you talking about like who was requesting medical the officer let me show you this okay that's first about the garage okay do you see it 2052 male advice to Open Door you see that um you might I is it down at the bottom I can't read it on here okay there it is yes mail advice Open Door okay do you know which door that's referring to uh probably the garage door is the only door that was closed do you see a 2047 medical advice for wife um yes what does that mean requesting to be transferred to Medical for advice on life um I'm guessing that they're transferring the person calling to somebody at the fire department or AMR so they can give them CPR instructions right when someone calls 9-1-1 they say do you need police fire or medical right yes and oftentimes they'll need both agreed agreed so when the 911 operator is originally taking the call she may enter under the computer-aided dispatch system items related to a police intervention right yes and then at some point in fact we can see it here in black and white the personal recording request to be transferred for medical advice right I would say yes okay in the ladies and gentlemen the jury have had the benefit of listening to this call have you no okay so you don't know what's being said in that call correct even as you sit here today right correct correct you'd agree with me the contents of that call would speak for themselves yes yes okay um you can't tell anything from the cad for instance whether or not the person reporting in this case it's a guy by the name of Tom Randolph that Hebrew actually asks should I go open the garage door so they can come in you don't know that do you no um does it show anywhere on that CAD report where the medical advisor on the other end of that 911 call tells him not to no what you do know is when you get there 14 minutes or so after the call there's other units on scene right yes somebody goes in the residence initially to make a determination that the female subject the gunshot wound victim isn't responsive right well the way the Wages said it nobody would have gone in the house immediately yeah I'm not talking about immediately clearly you didn't get there for quite a period right when you do arrive right somebody goes in the house right correct and they identify the female suspect isn't movable yes and then you say hold on let's back out right yes and then you request SWAT yes SWAT means the the special weapons and tactics it's the Tactical Team right those people have specialized training to enter and clear a scene into an ident in a dynamic shooting sequence right yes so like if there's something dangerous they can go in they have specialized training that allows them to make sure everything's safe before other people come in and investigate right yes how long is it that you're outside before the lieutenant says now we can go ahead and go in not very long um without looking at the actual numbers I'd be guessing but maybe less than 10 minutes it was it wasn't that that Ira requested Squad and it was just a matter of minutes before he says we don't you know we can do this ourselves we don't need swap yep the first for the first entrance to the house involves four Patrol officers right I'm guessing I I can't I don't remember exactly how many of us went in okay well you said on direct examination it was four you wouldn't dispute that would you I'm guessing it was four I don't remember the exact number okay then they come out right yes then you request swap correct yes then the lieutenant says no we can clear the house right yes and then the house is cleared yes by how many officers I don't know I know it was canine and like I said I wasn't there to see who actually went in or how many went in so probably for the first time right correct and then you went in the house right why be one of the four okay and then and I went in with them other people went in later to clear the house right yes including canine officers right I believe so and according to the cad report there's at least two canine units that go in the house right no okay how many canine units were at the scene there were at least two okay how many went in the house at least one okay and when the K-9 unit goes in that's a guy with a dog right correct okay um guy has two feet yes the guy has two feet Yes Yes dog has four yes okay dog doesn't have any specialized training in preserving a crime scene right no okay they actually go in the garage right well they did yes they did clear the garage when the door opened right clearing the garage meaning kind of strategically like going in going around looking making sure there's no other people there right okay um the reports in the case indicate that there's one Lieutenant from Patrol on scene right yes and then two sergeants you and another um yes and then 10 Patrol officers I'm guessing I didn't I didn't I don't know the exact number I didn't count would it surprise you if there were 10 Patrol officers listed as being unseen no do you have any idea how many people entered the house that night before you left no do you have any idea if it was more than 10 no more than 20. I'd be surprised it was more than 20. well are we talking about the initial entry the clearing of the house the investigative team just while you're there while I was there it was just maybe four of us initially then there would have been the canine team that cleared it which might have been I'm guessing maybe four three to four officers and after that I don't know who went in okay you know from reviewing the cad that violent crimes detectives go in right um I don't know that they actually went into the home at that point you know that violent crimes detectives are there right um I saw Major Crimes I don't know if I saw violent crime same thing right no they're two different units okay what's the difference Major Crimes deals with uh it can involve like large larcenies burglaries and violent crimes are usually more of crimes against persons so in this case yeah violent crime it would have made sense about it but Major Crimes is always they're not always logged on at the same time so whatever unit happens to be on they're kind of like uh they're interchangeable in a sense they can do investigations across whatever their units supposed to do okay as you sit here today when you reviewed the cad you don't know who the detectives were right like they're like the names of the detectives right not that I remember now okay if it was memorialized in a report that there were three separate violent crimes detectives there you wouldn't dispute that no and in fact you know that those detectives request ID to come out right yes and IDs the crime scene analysts yes okay were you still there when the crime sales got there I don't remember okay you agree they're not even called until 2200 hours right um that's so that's what the cad said then yes and you have no idea what time they actually arrived no no and you have no idea what happens in the scene between the times CS the csas are requested and when they get there right I don't know what what do you mean like I don't know I wasn't in the house so I didn't see what was going on right precisely my point are there officers and investigators are going in and out of the house right um I I don't know I like I didn't see anybody else going to the house so I can't really tell you what they were doing okay um you agree you have no meaningful testimony to give about how many people would know in the house right other than the minimum amount that went in it's not um how many people went in the house at a minimum I'd say six okay in total the whole time in the investigation that I don't know okay in other words you have no meaningful testimony to give about how many people went in the house that night okay as you sit here today you'd agree with me you can't tell us how many people went in the house that night right yes okay um you would agree with me that according to the cad medical units responded right yes Were You There When They got there I don't remember they don't get there for a long period of time right uh believes I believe that's correct in fact the cat even indicates a delay in their response yes um you have no memory whatsoever of them being there no I remember the I I I really don't remember what time they got there but I I I think I remember I don't know maybe the fire department was there but you don't dispute it a number of different Medical Response units arrived at the scene right I don't know who actually showed up that's the you know I don't know so to answer my question you don't dispute that right correct um the jury's already seen a number of photographs that show indicia of medical intervention on at least one of the decedents you wouldn't dispute that that happened right no and assuming that that person's still at the scene that they're working on those medical people are in the scene right yes you don't dispute that at all right yeah you would have read me that very early on in the call the cad you log indicates that the person responding is asking for advice for his wife right yes okay um when you read that in a cab report obviously the call speaks for itself but that reads to you that the person reporting is asking for advice on how to treat his wife right yes foreign there's a request for medical indicated in the cad report at 21-21 hours does that sound unusual to you no wouldn't you expect medical to respond sooner if the person reporting is asking for medical help with his wife like immediately in the call it it kind of depends on the nature of the call if it's a dynamic call then medical is not going to be allowed anywhere near the scene even if somebody's injured okay even if the person reporting is saying will you please get here and help this person I think she's dying right right yeah I mean if you're asking for medical then sure and it appears that law enforcement didn't request medical until 36 minutes later does that surprise you not not in this case at 2205 hours Mr Hamner that's prosecutor asks you some questions about requesting medical for the pr did you see that yes I remember indicating that the person reporting actually had some type of injury right yes well he said yes so it doesn't sound like he's speculating other than he needs medic he needs somebody he somebody who was with him requested medical for him and they said he wants to be seen so somebody putting information into the computer-aided dispatch system memorializes that the person reporting needs medical attention right yes thank you he's going to be publishing 325 for camp for a second okay so do you remember on at the beginning of cross-examination uh there were questions about whether or not you had heard the 9-1-1 call do you remember that yes okay so you and I think the question posed to something along the lines of well you weren't since you didn't hear the call you didn't hear dispatch tell the person calling to go open the door do you remember being asked that on cross-examination yes and since you haven't listened to that call you wouldn't be aware of whether or not the dispatcher said specifically go open the front door you wouldn't be aware of that because you haven't heard the call correct and then he said twice go open the front door right you you didn't hear it because you never listened to the call correct right now I want to look at speaking of doors and front door versus garage door you see this entry here the 2048 okay can you please read that entry a lot of those those lines uh it says 27 suspect is known to PR has been scamming him suspect is laying in garage not moving PR locked door so suspect is locked in the garage okay so that that dispatch reports that the personal reporting locked the door to the garage because the suspect would be locked in the garage correct yes so when you went in with your five officers you went in through the front door yes you didn't go through the garage correct yes and you didn't walk down a hallway to a garage correct because you just walked the way out so publishing 82. you never walk down this hallway out that door did you no so you or any of the other four or five officers didn't trample through that area no and it and I mean I know you haven't been to that side but you'd have no reason dispute that that's not the garage door to the garage correct okay and if a door is locked it means that you can't pass through it correct correct yes so if you want to kick something through you you'd run into that door right yes because the door's locked yes right and that's what this is reporting here but the person reporting calling 9-1-1 told 9-1-1 I've locked the garage door correct right so it would be impossible for you and your five officers to move anything into the garage because number one you didn't go there right correct and that door was locked correct right now when we get to 2117 it's indicating that the doors are opening and that there's a body in the garage is that right yes is that a reference to the garage doors opening yes okay so when canine is going and clearing they're walking through the garage doors right yes you didn't see any entry from the moment here saying that the garage door is locked the door to the garage is locked and then the garage doors themselves kind of lifting up an opening that someone opened the door from the hallway into the garage you don't see anything reported on the cad with respect to that correct correct and your understanding is when canine units walked in they're walking in from the street into the garage yes correct so where is that pesky photo so if the door is locked if that door is locked and the K9 unit locked in and they'd just be walking in the garage correct yes you don't remember the canine unit going through the front door walking down the hallway out that door and then into the garage correct correct so the canines officers two legs and those dogs four legs wouldn't be traipsing through that area to make it into the garage because they came in literally through the opening of the actual garage doors okay well he is correct all rephrase do you have any recollection of a canine unit Waltzing through that hallway no okay what is your understanding of when the canine unit went in did they go through the garage door or did they go through the front door and make their way to the garage they entered through the garage door okay you've been doing this for how many years as a police officer how many years did you work as a police officer 29. how big is it as a priority to keep a scene preserved when there are two bodies inside very important um based on your years of doing that do you guys become more lacks in terms of ah come on in when there's multiple bodies inside a house or do you become more concerned about making sure people don't go in uh the second yeah especially if there's a violent crime in this case like a homicide you've got to be really careful with everything and and just to be clear I mean you're not the only person trained to do that are other Patrol officers and violent crime detectives and gang detectives taught in the same manner to preserve the Integrity of the scene yes do you have any reason to believe that even after you left the scene that your fellow detectives would then let just countless people Waltz through the scene are there any reason to believe that no detectives who were there and the officers were there would just let an inordinate amount of people go Waltzing through the scene after you left no that wouldn't happen why not because you could um you can contaminate the crime scene or alter it or okay so your understanding is there are only at a minimum of six people when you were there correct yes went in right and just to be clear when you have an entry here do you see where it says here I'll try to zoom in it says k98 subjecting garage and then it says 583 GC interior clear is that reporting multiple officers or a singular officer what are those call signs signify k98 is the canine unit who sees the suspect in the garage deceased and 583 GC is the sergeant who's telling the dispatcher the interior has been cleared okay I have no further questions just curious um you ever seen anybody Waltz in a crime scene yes Waltz well depending on the crime scene yes I mean I don't know what you mean by yes this question a bunch of times about whether or not anyone was Waltzing through the crime scene like a waltz is a dance right hey it could be yes yeah you've seen somebody dance in a crime scene no okay um you have no idea how many people pass through that door from the hallway to the garage prior to crimes animals getting there right correct You couldn't possibly tell us how many people were in and out of the garage that evening prior to crimes analysts and pounding evidence right yes um you know what you did right yes and you know what the officers you were responsible for did right yes there's a lot of people there that night that you're not responsible for correct both people in law enforcement yes yes and some of those people have very different job descriptions than yours right correct canine units for example very different than yours right yes um medical responders you have no idea how many were in and out of that scene right correct they have much different training than a law enforcement officer right yes they're not so concerned about preservation of a crime scene because they're more concerned about saving a life right what's wrong that correct okay um he asked you he being the prosecutor in the 29 years that you've done this like it's real important to preserve a crime scene in a double homicide right yes for instance like if there was a double homicide where there was a crime scene where no blood evidence was documented and then it was cleaned up and a week later somebody came back out that would be a difficult crime scene for a jury to analyze right it's not perfect okay could you repeat repeat in a case where there's a double homicide and at the scene of the double homicide when crime scanners get there isn't preserved or documented at all no blood evidence and then the scene's cleaned and then a week later a crime scientist comes back out to document blood evidence that'd be really difficult right yes because the scene's been contaminated hasn't it yes nothing else foreign [Music] thank you the states it's why foreign all right sir if you could uh uh what did you used to do for a living before I retired I was a homicide detective with the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department okay what do you do today I went back to do Cold Case homicide investigation back in September of 2015 so coming up on eight years doing that as well um how many years before your first retirement with with Metro how many years did you work with Metro uh 20 years and 10 months okay and you may have just said how many years were you in homicide not cold case with Professor second but how many years were you with homicide nine years to the day I retired on my anniversary date okay um if if you could tell me a little bit about some of the training that you have received over your years as a police officer I don't know it may sound a little lengthy but if you could well in total uh the numbers the last time I looked at was over 3 200 hours of training including the academy so we've gone through the academy and then field training and then I also um was a bike patrol officer for a couple years there's extensive training there as well um I had after the 1992 Rodney King riots I was part of the Department's first Rifle Team where we started carrying Patrol rifles there was a 80 hours of training there I was in the gang you know for seven years so I have extensive training in in street gangs we had quite a few conferences we actually have an advantage here in Las Vegas because everybody comes here to train so there's a lot of agencies that you know will come to various locations of the valley to train so we get to go and be a part of that sometimes um you know the department arranges for it and then other times we'll pay for our own training so I've done a lot of those conferences both for gangs and then when I intended to go into homicide I did some I took some courses on homicide investigation practical homicide investigation through there was a retired lieutenant commander in New York Police Department that that wrote the book on practical homicide investigation and he would have an annual conference here every year I've attended that several times just you know continuous ongoing education in addition to you know reading periodicals periodicals and books and I'm part of the international homicide investigators association as well California homicide investigations would do their annual conference here in Nevada and I've attended that several times so it's just as much training as you can get sure how many homicides seen have you gone to over 300. prior to that how many home burglary home robbery scenes have you responded to in your career I really wouldn't be able to give you a number one of the advantages of working in the gang unit is we investigated the person committing the crime and not the crime itself so we had that we could do burglary investigations or credit card fraud investigations or drug investigations so we had a quite a range of experience working in in gangs because again it's the person and not the crime that's being investigated so I wouldn't be able to estimate really but quite a few dozens certainly understood tell me a little bit about what firearms training you've received through the course of your life so there's the Academy of firearms training well in the course of my life I was a military policeman way back in 1981 so I had that training in the military with the 45 caliber handgun back then in the M16 which is the fully automatic version of the what you hear about the AR-15 um so I had extensive firearms training there I was part of the U.S army special reaction team so kind of like the for for me it was Fort McClellan Alabama so I was part of their uh response team or what you would call a SWAT team so we did quite a bit of training there after I left the Army I was at a nuclear power facility in Arizona where I was a response team member for a couple of years then I was promoted and I was a a response team leader for five years before I came here to to Metro all right um detective did you respond to 6517 Rancho Santa Fe here in Las Vegas Clark County on May 8th 2008. I did what around what time do you get to that scene about quarter after 10 p.m is when I responded when I arrived I think it's 10 19 to be specific all right if you could tell me a little bit about the homicide unit are you familiar with the term like a squad a homicide Squad correct what is that what is that in reference to well back when this occurred there were four sergeants over homicide there are six people on each Squad so I was part of Rocky Alby Squad you had a designated partner that you worked with my partner was was Rob Wilson at the time he was on vacation when this occurred so he didn't respond and then we have two other two-man teams on our Squad and we'd have a rotation that went through all of the squads all right when you arrive if you arrive to a homicide scene and and your your group is tasked out there how do you guys divide up how's the division of labor work typically we take turns as partners so if you're up in rotation that means you and your partner are going to catch the next case um and it just flip-flops back and forth between whether um you were the person that took the lead last time and then um it would be your partner's term this time it's completely random in this situation um again my partner was on vacation so no matter whether it was my turn or not I was going to be the the lead detective on the case and who was your partner at that time Robert Wilson we were partners for seven years total in homicide all right when um when you get to this scene in Europe and and detective Wilson is gone what was the responsibility that night for you so I was responsible for investigating the crime scene itself and then there were other detectives that responded to the scene for the briefing initially so we had detective long we had detective MOG detective Hardy from our school all from our Squad and then Sergeant Albee was there our Lieutenant was there as well um so let me ask you this when when these multiple members of your your homicide Squad show up do they all just start walting through the crime scene no okay do they walk through the crime scene no initially we were waiting for every last person who's been assigned to the to the um to the case to respond and so I'm not too not too far from where this occurred I'm at the West End of Cheyenne so I was one of the first to arrive and then we had a detective long who's Way Southeast in the valley he was the last to arrive I want to say it around 10 40. so even though I'd gotten there uh 20 minutes earlier we wait until everybody's there the senior crime scene analyst that's going to be on the scene the CSA and the crime Scandal the supervisor so we all brief it at once instead of trying to parse it out you know one as each person arrives so we didn't brief until probably I'd say a quarter till 11. and and I know you can't speak to what happened from personal knowledge prior to that but when you're there from what you could observe were there a lot of people walking in and out of the crime scene no okay is there a protocol that Metro puts in place to ensure that doesn't happen yes okay um and as far as you could observe there were not people going in and out of the crime scene there was nobody going in and out of the crime scene as the lead detective on this case it did see people doing that would just stepped in and said something absolutely okay um now around what time do you start doing the processing of the scene well again we're going to have that briefing briefing with um the initial responding officers that takes quite a bit of time and then although I didn't meet Mr Randolph on the night that this occurred at the scene I know that um consent to to search the house was obtained and given by Mr Randolph to detectives MOG and Hardy before they transported him to um where the detective Bureau was located at the time which was Oaky in Decatur for their interview with him okay so detective MOG and detective Hardy interview Thomas Randolph on that night they did and do you see Thomas Randolph in the courtroom today I do could you please point out where he is and maybe describe an article of clothing that he's wearing um he's at the defense table he's wearing a blue shirt has short white hair and he's wearing headphones all right let the record reflect the witnesses identified the defendant so is that a factor for example going into a home to start processing do you need consent or something else before you start going in and processing a scene yes either a consent or oftentimes that's not even available given the scene and then a search warrant would be prepared by our Sergeant telephonic search warrant we would have a search warrant in hand before we went into search so you said you were provided a briefing from Patrol is that right that's correct what were the basic details as you understood them before you started the scene Walk Through it was Sergeant Darren densley that gave us the briefing primarily and he told us that Mr Randolph had conveyed to them that he was out with his wife earlier in the evening that they had gone to the charcoal room which was at the Santa Fe casino and once they had gotten home from that from that outing from the dinner that Mr Randolph had pulled up into the drive that there's not enough room for both people to get out so his wife got out of the car and walked into the house while Mr Randolph parked the vehicle in the garage then Mr Randolph had gone into the house he saw his wife at the opposite end of the the north south hallway there well it's not beyond the scope of the question but it is what is basically related I can try to break it up like sure um what where does the defendant say he goes after dinner he said that he went home I don't know if we got that he had gone to the gas station we learned that later but he had gone home after dinner okay and and when he arrives home who does he say enters the house first he said his wife got out of the vehicle and walked in so he could park in the garage okay and then what is what does he say happen next with respect to him he said that he went into the garage into the house and that he saw his wife laying face down in the hallway uh where does he say he goes after that he said that um he saw some sort of movement so he went into the office that was right inside the hallway and he retrieved a uh a handgun from a hanging shoe rack and then came back out into the hallway okay does he see someone when he starts to make his way out of the hallway he said that he he basically was confronted by a a man wearing a ski mask in the hallway that they collided in the doorway what does he say he does to the man in the hallway he said that he shot him several times in the hallway and then um when he went to the mall it's being it's tough sure foreign foreign so as I was saying as you as you spoke to him he relays that he's doing shooting in the hallways that right and uh Sergeant densley's given the briefing that he shot him as he was going into the garage and ultimately does he also indicate that he shoots Randolph indicates to the patrol-offs that he shot like a couple more times in the in the garage when he's on the ground in the garage understood yes your honor right so you're getting a briefing from densely right correct okay densely spoke to Randolph right yes okay and densely is relaying to you some background information correct right the briefing so they're shooting in the hallway but then there's a couple more shots I guess when he's just falls into the garage I don't remember him saying a couple but yes there's a shot in the Grouch he said okay so um you mentioned the detective MOG and detective Hardy conducted an interview with the defendant that night is that right yes they did and into the morning and when you process this scene it's from what time to what time um we probably got into the scene around uh 11 o'clock Excuse me yes 11 o'clock and um I wasn't done and cleared the scene until I'd say 4 30 4 20 in the morning is when we finally got out of the house okay um the interview the detective Hardy and detective MOG um start that that interview starts somewhere around 11 30 11 45 something like that correct I believe they have them in the interview interview room at 11 54 and they came into the room at about quarter after midnight okay so it rolls over into midnight but that that that interview is com completed during this window of time that you're processing a scene yes it was it was done just before two o'clock do you again get an update after they are done with their interview where they update you as to the things that were said by the defendant yeah specifically detective MOG came back to the scene and I talked to him once he got back about the interview okay so you had a general understanding from detective MOG and we've seen that interview already but you have a general understanding from detective MOG about the things the defendant said happened is that right yes all right so um when you walked this scene uh when you process it who are you doing it with who who's walking with you if you even remember initially the detectives everybody that responded is going to take a look in there so I know that detectives MOG and Hardy detective long and myself went into and and Sergeant Albi along with the crime scene analyst that can be processing processing of the scene so they they can get primarily for detectives Morgan Hardy so that they can get the lay of the land and be able to have an informed interview with Mr Randolph back at um at the detective Bureau and once that's done initially superficially looking at it then it's just myself and the crime scene analysts that are in the scene everybody else is out of the house when you initially walk through with your fellow detectives Do You observe anyone kicking any uh cartridge cases anywhere no do you see any of your fellow detectives stomping through blood or anything like that no was anybody kind of smearing their hands all over the walls anything like that no did you see any evidence that the people you walk to the scene with were disturbing the scene no I want to show you what's been admitted as States 82. foreign looking at here we're standing in the north south hallway of the residence and looking North at the close the firewall door that leads into the garage after speaking with Detective MOG after his interview is completed after listening to the patrol briefing about Mr what Mr Randolph had to say to them is this your understanding where Mr Randolph begins to open fire on Mr Miller yes you see on the right side there that is the open door to the office where Mr Randolph said he retrieved the nine millimeter handgun from the shoe rack and that doorway is where he says he collided with Mr Miller as he was running towards the end of the hallway and there appear to be there's another closed door but are you referring to the open door there the open door on the right you see the in the four uh forward parks that Mouse if you move it around you can actually kind of even if you just kind of pour that little circle you can just put it can you just kind of show us where that door all right let the wreck reflect the witness has identified what appears to be the open doorway on the right in the photograph so when you um you've been to a lot of shooting scenes right yes I have I mean how many are we talking about here I mean including when I was in gangs I mean it's hundreds okay um when you go to a shooting scene and you're under the impression that this is an area of a shooting scene do you expect to see certain things yes I would what sort of things do you typically expect to see well given that we're talking about a semi-automate handgun we would see expended shell casings if there are Perforating gunshot wounds where there's an entrance and an exit exit which we do have in this case I would expect to find bullets um blood maybe secondary impacts where the bullet had gone through and then hit the wall or hit the door that's what you would see sometimes an expended magazine where someone had to reload that type of thing in in this scene did you see any expect how many expended cartridge cases do you find in this hallway there was one nine millimeter by 18 cartridge case that was nearly in the center of the the threshold to the garage a couple inches away from the the threshold itself okay and we've seen some of those photos but if you take your mouse can you kind of show us the general area where that was actually it's right there all right let the wreck reflect the witness took the mouse and identified a little almost like golden brown object which is appears to be a cartridge case right at the lip of the door to the to the garage um just to be clear when you walked through this um uh scene here was that door closed no okay that door was open that door was open okay um so it had been propped open for and when they took a photograph at this point it's closed is that right okay so um so you would have so when you went to this scene you mentioned you'd expect to see cartridge cases did you did you expect from what you had heard would you expect to have seen more cartridge cases yes I would um Did You observe any blood in this area no not in that area Where Did You observe blood we saw blood basically where in the area where I saw blood in the area where the camera person would be positioned so towards the south end of the hallway and then on the on the walls uh to the east and on the ceiling and above the master bedroom door on the master bedroom door itself on the Berber carpet in into the master bedroom and as well as higher higher up on the eastern wall and so when you're talking about is that the area General where Sharon is located that's correct not in the area with Mr Randolph indicated that he shot multiple times in Mr Miller no there was none when you walked in this area were you alone when you walked in this area or did you initially have you know MOG hardy people like that walking with you initially they would have come in and taken a look at the scene along with me yes do you recall anyone remarking when you're in this area oh look there's some blood anyone say anything like that no how about CSA Smith no I mean isn't that kind of his job too listen for that sort of stuff so he he doesn't remark and see anything here that's correct you don't see anything here no and all the other detectives that walk with you didn't see anything there no all right have you been to shooting scenes that are um kind of in close quarters I mean this is a hallway right versus an open field yes do you have any expectations about what you might expect to find in if a shooting scene occurs in kind of close quarters again because of it's going to retain the the projectiles as they come out the expended cartridges would be retained in that close quarters area if there's Perforating gunshot wounds you could potentially find bullets in that area you would find again if it's Perforating you would see blood and and possibly bone and tissue and hair related to those gunshot wounds um how about strikes to the wall could that be something you expect like a Ricochet of a bullet kind of aura or even a cartridge case ricocheting off of drywall or something like that that's possible I guess I mean with a cartridge case itself it just depends I mean there's cylindrical in shape if you had if you were close to a smooth surface and and the cartridge case landed on the open end you might see a little semi-circle if it's possible it would be difficult to differentiate between just regular wear and tear on a wall to be able to specifically say that it's you think that's where a cartridge case hit um they don't come out covered in soot where they're leaving a black mark or anything like that you know you can be at the range all day and we do police call and we pick up brass and your hands aren't covered in soot all right so we've covered cars how about bullets you said these were Perforating wounds right right so they went through the body correct would you expect to see a bullet impact somewhere in that hallway certainly did you see any impacts in that hallway however when you look in the area towards Sharon did you find an impact yes we did and was that noted and documented yes it was I'd like to turn your attention to the garage when you get out to the garage do you start to see evidence of firearms being evidence of firearms being used in the garage yes what do you what do you locate in the garage we found a bullet I found a we because we were together the crime scene analysis process as well but there was a there was a bullet to the right front corner of the Hyundai Tucson we found a cartridge case over there on the west side of the Hyundai Tucson we found a flattened out bullet that had come to rest underneath the right rear passenger seat area of the Hyundai Tucson and we found a an expended nine millimeter by 18 cartridge case on the east side of the Pontiac G6 which was parked on the east side of the garage um I know you go back there a week later correct yes we did to the day are there other things that are found a week later in that garage yes there are what what else what else was found two additional nine millimeter by 18 cartridge cases were found on the west side of the garage actually in the uh Southwest area there was a an open toolbox that had a bunch of screws and nuts and bolts and everything and it had shell casing that landed in a small compartment there and then there was another shell casing that was north of the water heater and it was behind like a milk jug or a one gallon water jug laying there on the floor so now we had two two additional so we had a total with the with the one at the threshold and the two we originally recovered that night and then the two the following week we had five the five shell casings based on your observations in the hallway based on your observations in the garage based on what you've learned that Mr Randolph said have occurred was what you're seeing in these two different areas significant for your investigation yes it was why because we didn't find in the hallway what we would have expected to find given I don't think this question has been asked and answered well my question to him is was the significant I mean we can approach your honor if you want yeah all right so again thank you very much the detective as I was saying why was that significant for your investigation because we've didn't find in the hallway ballistic evidence that supported the description that Mr Randolph had given for the shooting but we did find that ballistic evidence in the garage which gave us an indication that the the shooting actually occurred in the garage or right at the door leading into the garage now I want to turn your attention to that garage for a moment give me a minute publishing 53 who's that that's the deceased Michael Miller right and now I'm publishing 54. is there something in this Photograph that was significant in your investigation yes there was this is a ski mask that was found in this position when we arrived at the scene um when you examined it did you notice anything about its condition yes the crime scene analyst with gloves examined it we did not find any defects in it like a bullet holes or or blood on the ski mask or tissue or anything else based off of what was relayed to you by Mr Randolph was the fact that there wasn't any and I I don't want to let me let me backtrack because I just didn't listen to the answer to the end of the the end of your answer I apologize I know you mentioned the noble of holes did you see any apparent blood on that mask no no blood or tissue okay given the absence of bullet holes blood and apparent tissue was that significant in relation to what you had learned from Mr Randolph yes it was why because Mr Randolph described colliding with Mr Miller in the doorway and he was wearing the ski mask and that he started shooting at him continuously until he went to the floor in the garage and then he fired an additional one or two rounds into Michael Miller's head is that shooting at this Mass individual something that is relayed in General on the 9-1-1 call yes is this shooting at Mr Miller when he's wearing a mask relayed in his uh June I'm sorry May 9th interview yes is that same information about shooting Mr Miller while he's wearing a mask relayed during the walk through a week later yes and was that information about shooting Mr Miller while he's wearing a mask for laid in his June 3rd interview yes okay I know we'll get to that interview later but the bottom line is that is something that is relayed by Mr Randolph multiple times correct when you walked towards the kitchen area did you notice that there was any doors that gave an access point out of the interior of the house yes there were doors on the uh the south side of the house off of the kitchen okay were those doors open when you arrived they were okay was that of significance in your investigation well it could have been we weren't sure if maybe the the door was open at the time at all times processing the same detective do you have someone with you yes the crime scene analysts there's a senior crime scene analyst and then a csa2 there that are going to be at the scene the entire time and just for clarification my question was was it significant for your investigation when you're using the word we are you referring yourself in detective Wilson are you referring to CSA just just some it's just the pronoun gets a little confusing but I get it I'll say I okay I noticed I saw that the doors were open and that could be significant given that could be an entry point for Mr Miller into the residence were there any signs of force entry to that back door there were not ultimately when you start reviewing Do You observe in the garage some plastic bags yes all right water contained in those plastic bags is clothing there was a pair of pants and there's a a plaid shirt there was a parrot well not a pair of tennis shoes there's one tennis shoe and the other tennis shoe is underneath Mr Miller's leg all right do you find any jewelry in that bag not in the plastic bag no okay and there is there a black fabric bag as well yes there was a black fabric Walmart bag that was there can there was a towel in there and a Megabucks t-shirt and there was quite a bit of costume jewelry okay were there keys also located yes there were where were those keys found inside the black uh the black fabric bag I want to publish 168. is this the contents of the jewelry within the black fabric bag yes it was all right there are how many keys down here in the corner uh there are four Keys uh the one on the left was found to open the the front and back door the one next to it was found to open the safe found in the Randolph's master bedroom closet and those are two of those round high security Keys we didn't find what those went to those are in the bag as well but all four are found inside that black bag correct when you walked through the kitchen did it appear to be rummaged through it all no not at all it was very very neat and tidy except for one there was a knife on The Cutting Board that seemed out of place okay how about the kind of the Family TV room did that appear rummage through it all no was there a kind of a formal a more formal sitting room as well yes did that appear rubs through it all no how about is there a little Den some kid stuff is in there yes with French doors how what was the condition of that room seem well kept um how about the other rooms kind of in that hallway there are there are two rooms on the left if you were facing where Sharon was there's kind of two rooms to the left is that correct right you're facing south and there are going to be two two rooms on the east side of the house let me publish what's been admitted is 214. let's talk about this northeast bedroom the is that is that the is that the office that's the office where Mr Randolph retrieved the nine millimeter right what is the condition of that room I mean it seemed relatively straight we had uh there was a a 22 caliber handgun that was found in there there was a piece of luggage that was near a trash can by the desk there was some fabric on top of it and we found that one handgun in there but other than that it appeared fine there was a computer whole set up right in that room yes anything about the Computing the electronics Disturbed at all it didn't appear to be all right um and then when we look at this East bedroom and that's the drum room is that right yes we refer to it the the room had with a lot of the area in the room was taken up with a full drum set so we called it the drum room do you remember anything Disturbed knocked over in that room at all there was a uh like a dresser in there with uh several of the drawers that were opened uh partially there was a side door that swung out out there were a couple of bags on the floor to the east of that that dresser um then we and we found a 38 caliber Smith Wesson handgun that was up against the the north wall of that room or excuse me South Wall of that room so publishing publishing 94 is this kind of a view looking into that hallway yes we're looking in a Southwestern direction and you can see into the master bedroom so this is the reference to maybe a cabin that's open and a drawer is kind of partially opened correct publishing 96 is that kind of another angle that dresser yes but it doesn't appear any of the contents of these dressers have been dumped out no publishing 99 and that's the condition of kind of the rest of that room yes we're looking northeasterly from the doorway um let's talk about that office for a second publishing 126 is that the state of what the the office with the computers look like yes publishing 123 is this another view from the office yes it is or looking uh Southwest out into the hallway you can also see part of that hanging shoe rack in the closet publishing 125 is that another angle of that that office as well yes it is we're looking back the opposite direction Northeast and then publishing to 124 we just kind of rotating a little bit to the left that's correct you mentioned you also walked through the master bedroom is that correct yes publishing 106 is this a look at kind of slightly inside the entryway of of the master yes it is and what are these couple of boxes here what do these appear to be they are drawers from if you were to go up from there you can see a cabinet like a curio kind of cabinet that's hanging on the wall directly above that little angel pip there you can see it and the drawers would go into the bottom three slots there okay publishing 110. sure I apologize your honor for the record I was publishing 106. and you're indicating that these drawers fit in what is publishing 109 this uh structure that's affixed to the wall correct publishing 110 is this kind of the state of that dresser yes we're looking Southeast in the master bedroom appears if any I mean I know there's some clothes kind of I guess hanging on the side of it but did there appear to be anything dumped out on the floor on the other side of that bed no publishing 112 um is this the condition of the master bedroom at the time that you walked through yes do there appear to be any comforters or sheets on this no [Music] um you mentioned that in the drum room next to Sharon you found a revolver is that correct yes a 38 Smith and Wesson and you mentioned published in 214. so that in this room and that is that the 15 signifying that revolver yes okay you mentioned let's talk about this office here is there another firearm found in there yes there was a Smith and Wesson 22 caliber revolver does your investigation determine which of these two revolvers was used to shoot Sharon yes the Smith and Wesson revolver indicated by 15 to 38 caliber was found to have the hammer down on an expended 38 plus which means plus powder or power depending on who you're talking to so there's a little bit extra energy that it communicates and it's a semi-jacketed hollow point okay and and publishing 90 that's that firearm correct yes it is publishing 101 is that a close-up of it yes it is so this is the gun and ultimately your analysts forensic analyst determines this is the gun that actually shoots Sharon in the head that's correct but Mr Randolph indicates that another gun was found on Mr Miller is that correct yes um is that through the course of these interviews is that the gun that he says Mr Miller is potentially about to shoot him with yes okay and where is that gun um ultimately recovered from where does Mr Randolph say he got that got that gun he said that he got it from underneath Mr Miller and that he brought it into the house and that he he said he was aiming for the trash can but he threw it into the to the office and it ended up landing on top of some fabric covering a piece of green carry-on luggage okay publishing 127. do you see that green carry-on in the photograph yes I do where is it if you take your mouse just gonna put it over in that area this is the carry-on luggage all right let the record reflect the witnesses edified a piece of luggage in the bottom left-hand corner 27. publishing 128 is that a close-up of that same piece of luggage yes it is publishing 129 is that um uh is that the close-up of the gun yes it is all right you mentioned that you've experienced you have training experience in handling firearms yes which is the more powerful of the two Firearms the 38 caliber no question okay so not this gun no okay why is that well the 22 caliber uh long rifle rounds that are in there are being fired out of a short barrel so they're going to be less velocity than we would get out of a rifle but it's way way lighter bullet traveling at approximately the same speed as a standard nine millimeter with the 38 caliber Plus or the the plus p is what it's called you're getting significantly higher velocity and a much much heavier bullet in addition to the fact that the 22 calibers just around those a soft lead it has no jacket on it whereas the 38 is a semi-jacketed hollow point designed to expand on impact and create more damage so based off of what you've learned not just from those briefings but the subsequent interviews Mr Randolph's explanation is that Mr Miller uses the more powerful weapon to kill his wife and then seemingly drops it for some reason yes when you conducted interviews um with him I mean I know you do one later with him but you've also listened to the uh the the June 9th the June 9th interview may not yes I'm sorry May 9th I apologize um does does the defendant indicate that he communicated to Mr Miller that he that night he was leaving Mr Miller to go hang out with his wife yes did he indicate that he had to drop Mr Miller off because he had to be the one to pick up and drive his wife to dinner that's correct okay so according to the defendant's explanation Sharon comes in and is shot with one gun and then he decides to I guess drop the gun yes does Mr Randolph ever explain any interviewer any juncture why he would do that judge rejection as Mr Randolph having to explain why Mr Miller who just murdered somebody dropped a murder weapon and then was leaving I don't think he can do that what could be expected to do it well I I think if he relayed that information in an interview it can be shared if he can't he can't if he related the detective can Sheriff but I don't think detect the contest about you and expectations sure I'll rephrase the question did Thomas Randolph ever relay to you why or how Mr Miller abandons that gun no but that was the gun he successfully used to kill his wife yes according to Mr Randall yes it was that Mr Randall Pepper said it was 38 that was used I think it's the opposite if you could say page number or rephrase it reframing the question the Bible is he and specifies sure understood and I and I and I I get what's being mentioned Mr Randolph never specifies what gun is used to kill his wife correct no he just specifies which gun he got from off of Mr Miller right where does he say he finds the gun uh used to kill his wife where does he say he generally finds it he just said he didn't know he just said Mr Randolph never said that about which building was used to give his wife I apologize and it's just it's my fault 38 Special where does he say he found the 38 specimen that's not 38 professionals we'll get there I'm going to get there guys I apologize it's all right I apologize trying to confuse everyone publishing 101 the 38 Special where does Mr Randolph say he found the 38 Special in the first interview with with Detective Hardy and MOG he said that he knelt when he knelt down next to Sharon that his knee was on it so it was directly next to her body and he it's underneath her body he said that he knelt down on it when he knelt next next to her body so so the gun that your team successfully determines kills Ms Randolph is found according to Mr Randall underneath her button or directly next to her body because he knelt down to later on we talked he talks about it and demonstrates it in the walk-through video he knelt down next to the east side of her body okay um when you um process and walk through this scene is there a purse found of Sharon's yes there was where was that located that was in the bathroom directly off the hallway nearby Sharon's body it was I mean it's a it's a few feet because she's in the hallway and the carryout uh from the dinner and and her purse were publishing 103 is that the person the charcoal grill bag that's correct um was there money found inside that purse now you could look down inside a person see that there was a 100 Bill and also a receipt for the charcoal room so there's money open in that purse yes and it was left in the purse yes when Mr Miller is taken to autopsy how much money is found on this person it was four dollars and something and change he just had change during the course of your interviews with the defendant um does the defendant offer you a possible motivation for doing this burglary is to steal money yes but the money in her purse remained correct is there a like a medicine bag found in one of the rooms do you remember that yes there was um is hold on courts Indulgence was there a bottle of prescription medicine found inside that bag yes so it wasn't on Mr Miller's person it remained in that back correct oh publishing 111 is that that bag that we're talking about yes publishing 113 do you see a bottle of pills in there yes I do could you please take your mouse and kind of gen you know indicate where it is all right let the record reflect the witnesses identify to what appears to be an orange pill bottle uh just below what appears to be a bottle of shaving cream and there's also a pill dispenser up at the top and you can see a white pill up in one of the compartments you had an opportunity to review um the interview that Mr Randolph gives with Detective MOG and detective Hardy yes when you had a chance to watch it for yourself were there things that Mr Randolph shared that were of concern to you for the purposes of your investigation sure um when you when you listened to the the interview um where did the defi the the May 9th interview where does uh he indicate Mr Miller is running towards when he first encounters him toward the garage the closed garage door okay you mentioned that uh a house key was found that had access to the back door is that correct yes you had indicated when that you arrived that door was open yes when you had observed that at the scene and observed the key in the bag and you heard Mr Randolph relay that Miller was in this instance running towards the garage was that of significance for your investigation yes it was it didn't make sense why because it would have been easy for him to turn left and go out where he came in instead he's going towards a door where he knows somebody's going to be coming in the doors closed the phrase miss you honor but the bottom line is presumably there there's a there's a garage with people coming in it correct yes and when you walk that scene the back door is is open yes and so that struck you as strange that that was that was the direction of Mr Miller's travel given that there was an open back door yes it didn't make sense to me um we can do the break at this point in any way regarding this case [Music] you must not make any investigations all right for the jury foreign phone calls like the banking and gaming stuff I mean there's other things that are still things that are in investigation that are independent interviews I mean they're not it won't be super super long but you know beautiful thank you foreign all right sir so um uh I want to go back just to one thing it kind of deals with the interview but also the scene observations remember seeing a fire extinguisher yes okay when how do you first learn about the fire extinguisher its Presence at the scene I could see it uh lodged or right up against the right front tire of the Pontiac G6 publishing 47. what are we looking at there that's said fire extinguisher and that's the right front tire of the Pontiac G6 publishing 46 are we what are we looking at from this angle so you're standing at the the South Wall of the garage looking North along the passenger side of the Pontiac G6 and you can see a portion of the fire extinguisher I'm exhibit 44. what is being photographed here there is a small black strap that goes to the fire extinguisher it was laying on the ground in the corner on the northeast corner of the refrigerator how do you know that did you match it what did you do how did you figure that out no uh there's a mounting bracket still on the fire extinguisher and there was also a drywall screw that was adjacent to the refrigerator that had been pulled out and slightly down you could still see um drywall dust inside the hole and on the on the screw itself so it appeared as though the the it had been pulled out of of the mounting bracket on the wall publishing 45 um I want to zoom in if I could are you seeing that screw uh yes I do it's uh it's right there let the represent the witnesses identified um well he says it's a screw but it's a black object kind of between what appears to be a step stool and the refrigerator in States 45. so when you when you looked at the garage in the house was it fairly well organized and kept together yes it was it's better than you know you know the garage is neater than my own I have two boys home from college so there's an excuse but it's it's pretty straight and I understand there's a lot of things you know so for example like when you look at 48 there appear to be a lot of things on the ground right Mr Miller hat ski masks you know leads things like that but is the rest of the garage in this sort of condition yes oh no I mean it the rest of the garage is pretty neat they have storage racks and things are out of the way okay and and so this appears to be the only item that's on the ground in that area yes is that why you had it photographed yes when you start to listen to either listen to the defendant's first interview or maybe you got bereaved by detective mom does the fire extinguisher get brought up yes by detective Mao Gooney came back to the scene and briefed us on the statement okay does the defendant discuss in interview number one the fire extinguisher yes he does and and what does he say about the fire extinguisher he said that after he had he shot Mr Miller several times and he went to the floor of the garage that he started to go back into the house and look and then he heard a loud noise which prompted him then to to shoot Mr Miller once or twice more and then he later realized it that it was the fire extinguisher that had fallen from the refrigerator did you take any steps to look to see um on the top of the on the top of the fridge did you look in that area yes I did there was a crock pot as I remember and there was a uh oscillating fan that was on the crock pot there was a a container of sidewalk chalk that was there and then there was kind of a clear area on the northeast corner of the of the refrigerator publishing um publishing States 60 are you seeing are you seeing those things that you just described yes I am did you see any dust ring um you know kind of consistent with a cylinder as if in the ring of the bottom of the fire extinguisher anywhere on the top of that refrigerator no I did not um did you take any steps to bang into the refrigerator see if the fire extinguisher would fall yes I did much later though okay what did you do by after we were done photographing everything just for the record uh previous video to this point and just that it's not scientific that it's not videotaped and so at this point we would object to this type of experiment being done well let me testify to what he did his jury can make their own determination as to The credibility of what it is all right so so what did what did you do after everything had been photographed and in place so that we had it documented and I documented my report I placed the fire extinguisher up on the open area on the north east corner of the refrigerators you look you're looking at it right about in this area and let the record reflect the witness has kind of identified an area in front of what appears to be kind of a plastic tub of chalk that you would use for outside correct that was really kind of the only really open area I placed it there and then I I shouldered the refrigerator I kept banging into it to see if I could get movement out of this you know full fire extinguisher on top of the the refrigerator and it it took up into the point of actually moving the the refrigerator with such Force to finally get the the fire extinguisher to move as if it was going to topple although it didn't um during interview number one does the defendant ever offer any explanation as to why that strap was in the garage no during interview number two does the defendant offer any explanation as to why the strap is on the ground no I want to talk about interview number one you obviously had an opportunity to review it for yourself correct yes okay does the defendant offer an explanation as to what hand the gun is in Mr does the defendant explain at some point seeing Mr Miller holding a gun yes okay which hand does he say he's holding the gun in his right hand when you review interview two is that what the defendant says no what does he say in interview number two that he's messing around on his in his waist in his waistband and that he had might seen a portion of it that he doesn't say that he had the gun in his hand at some point does he think he does he say he's holding his hand up and it's possibly his left hand I don't recall okay during interview number one does the defendant ever say that when he first opens the door he sees Mr Miller kind of standing ready to shoot him the minute he walks in the door no I want to talk about that the door that leads to the garage um what does it does the defendant say any point in that interview propping the door open in the first interview yes when does the defendant tell your fellow detectives that he propped the door open after shooting Michael Miller he propped the door open so that he could keep an eye on him laying on the floor in the garage okay so he doesn't say when he first enters the house he uh I don't counsel I don't remember offhand I'd have to look so sorry I don't have it all the paper off the top of my head just quartz and jewelry for one second okay so um during the walk through uh does that change yes okay what does the defendant say one week later he started to prop the door open and detective MOG told him the door was closed and I'm sure from based on the first interview and Mr Randolph objected and said no no it was open and then he continues in the walkthrough video to fold the carpet over and prop the door open I want to ask you about that door does that door kind of close on its own yes it does from your observations it kind of shuts on its own yes it does um Detective from looking at that hallway and and understanding what the defendant said occurred in that hallway would the door be closed be significant in terms of the location of things like cartridge cases or bullets yes why because if Mr Miller was running towards a closed door and Mr Randolph is shooting him repeatedly and we know that some of those rounds were Perforating gunshot wounds where there was an exit and bullets were coming out you would see impacts on the door potentially you would see blood potentially on the door potentially bone fragments tissue there's you know you would see evidence of that door being closed as he ran towards the closed door I want to ask you about the garage light um at some point interview number one does the defendant talk about the garage light going off yes what does he say in relation to that he said that he he uh Loosely quoting that he nearly pissed himself when the the light went out he was out in the garage at that point in time looking for the uh gun that Mr Miller had when the light went out okay so this is to just for for context this is he's on the phone with 9-1-1 suggests the gun and he's kind of given instructions we'll maybe go find the gun and he's saying in that process that's when the light goes off correct all right um now um did you have a chance so here's the thing so he said it was how dark did he say does he explain how dark it is or he just says he's scared because it kind of the lights all go off he said he it was dark in there and that to the point where he had to take an exaggerated or a giant step because he was he was stepping over uh Mike Miller's body um and to avoid stepping in anything stepping on Mr Miller or stepping anything that he couldn't see okay so I want to ask you this did you have an opportunity to stand inside that garage with the door closed and the light off no I didn't do that didn't do that did you have an opportunity to stand in that garage with the door open with the garage light going on yes what was the condition of the lightings with the door open well with the door propped open you had all of the light washing in from the light being on in the hallway so you could still see fairly clearly I mean there's darker portions deep in deeper into the garage but uh in the area of the door you could see quite clearly so in the area around Mr Miller was it pitch dark no so with the door open it wouldn't have been pitch dark even though the garage light went off it would not and you observed this because you've you experienced it I did as I was in the process of timing uh how long it took the light to to go off each time I I timed it three times yeah so counsel for the record your question it's on page 35. middle of page 35 line not the light the you had a question about him propping the door open so he could see Mr Miller that is his first statement it's on page 35 in the middle of the page you mentioned timing on the garage light do you time the garage light I did how long does it take the light to go off five minutes and eight seconds okay I tested it three times why did you test this detective because I wanted to see the consistency of the timing on the light to determine that it was consistent by going three times the third time I was literally three two one Boom the light went out so that told me some things about the timing of when Mr Randolph could have been in the garage on the 911 call and and I'm we are going to get to that just give me a second we'll just take a look at something sir give me a minute that kind of segues into um segwaying into that that the timing of the shots as you interviewed people collected video surveillance looked at the scene did you start to be calm concerned about the defendant's explanation as to when these shots happened yes okay so when does the defendant call 9-1-1 the call to 9-1-1 came in at 20 44 54 so 8 44 and 54 seconds six seconds before 8 45. P.M um do you uh do you get it when you when you listen to interview number one do you get an understanding of um does defendant kind of explain kind of what he's doing on that night like going to dinner and where he goes after that and where he goes after that yes he did okay so where is the hotel that he has dinner at it's at the Santa Fe Hotel Casino which is just right around the corner from Mr Randolph's house all right all right favorite cover video surveillance from the Santa Fe yes we did okay all right detector we're going to come back to that because I just inadvertently didn't burn it onto a CD um but approximately uh that the timing of that is around I don't know he's he's exiting around what time around 8 20. okay so coming out ballet on the uh east side of the casino okay around 8 20 p.m uh where is the next place in interview number one does the defendant say he travels to he went to the funnies gas station right across the street from where the Santa Fe is 4747 North Rancho all right and have and I'm going to publish find it of course I moved it um courts Indulgence publishing exhibit oh can we switch back over publishing 310 big I'm sorry I'll hit it one more it's flashing red that can't be without flashing blue um well the the mouse you know like The Mouse and the cursor yeah are and now we're back to flashing the rim I'm sorry okay is yeah my laptop's not connected to it anymore well we'll do this we'll do the old-fashioned way for right now uh your passenger was not there yes I do okay you're seeing um it looks like uh looks probably on here says Google but a Google map uh depiction of the travel from funnies gas station to uh the Randolph Residence at 6517 Rancho Santa Fe okay is there a really good music I don't know that I can thank you Chris have him hit the home button so we can't see the one that looks like little house foreign uh yes and I was like where's the photograph it's not all right publishing finally States P10 so can you just take your where where's funnies funnies right here 4747 Rancho all right so let the record reflect the witnesses identified at the bottom center of the screen kind of were there some words that say funnies um and then diagonally to the left in that photograph what's that big structure that's the uh Santa Fe Hotel and Casino where the charcoal room is located as well and do you see 6517 Rancho Santa Fe I do can you just put your cursor over by it right there right let the reg reflect in the upper center right portion there's a kind of a red dot indicating 6517 Rancho Santa Fe detective did you ever drive this route detective mag did what I'm sure that I did but detective MOG did for the purpose of timing it okay um in it at least from what was reported back to you it took about approximately how long three minutes all right and then on this Google Maps it's indicating four minutes I've looked it up it said four minutes yes all right when you reviewed the funniest gas station what time did you see um the defendant leave in his vehicle the funniest gas station at 8 26 10. or 20 26 10 is what what it said so they're essentially walking on foot at 8 20 here and they're eventually leaving this gas station six minutes later and your estimates are three or four minutes to get to this location correct during the defendant interview number one does he explain that he deviates in any way in terms of or did he just go straight from Funny's home straight from Funny's home all right um so if you you add three or four minutes to 8 26 what what time range are we getting 8 30 and some change I want to talk about Mark Bartlett yes right that was someone who was interviewed by your fellow tactics correct yes my detective long within an hour of our arrival he was a witness who indicated he heard gunshots is that correct yes and aside from what his phone record said generally what was he saying around the time that he thought he heard the shots foreign we'll do it this way uh did did Mr Bartlett relay a time frame in which he heard the phone calls yes he did the gunshots I'm sorry yes did that prompt you to go and get phone records yes it did okay did you review those phone records yes what was the time that he had the phone call with his friend at uh 20 33 36 so 8 33 and 36 seconds um after hearing what Mr Bartlett said was the General time frame in which he heard the calls and you reviewed the phone records did you have any concerns at that point yes I did okay what time was that 9-1-1 call at 844 54. okay now does the defendant during his interview explain after he pulls into the car pulls the car into the garage whether he opens or closes the garage yes what does he say he does once pulling the car in he said he closed the garage okay and just to be clear during this interview he's not hearing any shots yet right correct so he's the defendant the defendant's not hearing any shots at this point correct not in that first interview not in the first interview he says he closes the garage right yes what is the timing for it to take that garage to automatically shut off based off of your testing it five minutes and eight seconds so if you arrive home at 8 30 what time would the garage and you shut the garage what time would the light go off 8 35 and 8 seconds if it was precise if you arrived at 8 33 and then you shut the garage at 8 33 what time would the garage go out 8 38 what time is the 9-1-1 call at 8 44 54. okay so not at 8 38 correct and not at 8 35 no okay and when you listen to the 9-1-1 call is there a portion of the call where the defendant tells the the fire department I'm gonna go look for the gun now yes He suggests go to look for the gun and then the paramedic says go and look for it to be careful how much later into the into the four does he do that approximately five minutes into the phone call as I recall okay could it possibly be three minutes that's possible but it's a couple minutes after this call starts correct so just to be clear it takes five minutes for the for the garage garage light to go off correct and the phone records from Mr Bartlett are indicating 8 33. correct when you reviewed all of this information did this collectively give you concerns about the timing yes it did good I would like to talk about that 9-1-1 call folks Indulgence just shutting down before publishing 324. you've had an opportunity to review this 911 report correct yes I have many times foreign [Music] State 324. 2008 20 hours 44 minutes 54 seconds you know I watched the shot and there's a diamond after I shot titties [Music] in the house I think [Music] is the guy still in the house do you know the garage [Music] I'll stop right there um in that call the defendant says Mike I don't know his last name you had an opportunity to interview the defendant correct yes in interview number two correct you also had a chance to listen to interview number one yes did you also have an opportunity to review phone records of the defendant yes and the level of interaction that he had with Mr Miller via phone calls yes okay um at any point any of the interviewers did did the defendant struggle with knowing Mr Miller's last name yes he did okay what did he did he aside from that phone call does he tell detectives he doesn't know Miller's last name he he said Milner or Miller okay um how long from the from from those interviews how many months did he say he knew this guy for approximately five months okay did he indicate that he had this guy over for social guys yes okay when you heard this was this of a concern to you yes [Music] [Music] 2008 20 hours 46 minutes 24 seconds [Music] I wanna I wanna pause it there at this point in time does the fire department instructing him to lay her down to potentially perform CPR yes he was right away does the defendant perform CPR at that moment well I'll rephrase the question okay when you listen to this call and I want to play it a minute but are there points in time where the fire department makes a recommendation to the defendant to perform CPR on his wife yes when the first recommendation is made does the defendant perform CPR at that point no what what was that of concern to you yes okay is there a second recommendation to perform CPR yes there's multiple okay with these recommendations does the defendant elect to do that the first or the second time no okay was that concerning to you when you're listening to this call yes it was why because the the purpose for calling 9-1-1 and conferencing to Medical is to get assistance for his wife during the interviews before we get to playing it but during the interview does uh an interview number one in interview number two does the defendant indicate an ability to hear an initial gunshots or hearing no initial gunshot he said he didn't hear the shots does the defendant offer you an excellent offer either you a detective MOG or detective Hardy an explanation as to why he can't hear any initial shot yes okay what does he say is the reason is that difficulty in hearing in the first place and that when he had pulled into the garage he had the radio on in the Hyundai Tucson at a loud volume because of his hearing impairment and Sharon had gone into the house and that he did not hear a gunshot when you listen to the 9-1-1 call does the defendant indicate to 9-1-1 that he actually heard the shot yes shots all right we're gonna do we're going to play that call in its entirety we'll do the first main chunk of it and all that silence at the end and then I'm going to ask some questions about it okay that's fine all right so let's just let's just scroll back ready [Music] um [Music] in my house [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] medical too we don't hang up 2008 20 hours 46 minutes 24 seconds um [Music] wait a minute okay for the other guy uh where'd you guys [Music] okay let's focus on your wife who's Doctor okay [Music] or something else they are not sure if he's still in the garage [Music] get careful just like that [Music] [Music] okay [Music] [Music] can you hear me oh my God [Music] everywhere everywhere [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] place that you said you would put your other hand [Music] that no [Music] [Music] no says you're doing it sure sure [Music] [Music] [Music] yeah you know so that very end part which door did the dispatcher tell Mr Randolph to open the front door okay not the garage door no so going back to the beginning do you remember uh near the beginning maybe about two minutes and 20 seconds into the call the fire department saying you need to focus on your wife to do CPR and him offering to go locate the gun near Mr Miller yes okay um do you recall about three minutes and 40 seconds into the call once again asking him for to do CPR and the defendant saying I'm gonna go lock the garage now yes remember the fire department kind of responding look we've got to do this quickly yes do you remember approximately six minutes since the call as the fire department starts to give him instructions about putting his hand on the breastbone to do compressions the defendant offers to leave her again to open the door yes do you remember the fire department saying no that he needs to stay with his wife that we need to keep doing this yes did those three intervals cause you concern yes why because Sharon Randolph wasn't being helped it's over six minutes into the call before he starts the chest compressions do you recall the portion approximately 2 minutes and 58 seconds into the call or the defendant says I heard the shot yes okay we've addressed why that was a concern to you I hear I heard shot I don't hear distinctly the word the okay but it's in context of our is he alone meaning Mr Miller based off of your uh being present for the interviews and listening to interview number one is that different than what he's saying on the 911 call yes and now having listened to I need to interject having listened to the call again you had asked a question earlier about his referencing a mask foreign yes your honor it's okay um you had just mentioned a real briefly that there was something that you wanted to add is that correct yes what did you want to add you'd asked a question if he had referenced in the 911 call the ski mask and there's no mention of the ski mask throughout the 911 call okay do you recall the around three minutes into the call um around 3 minutes and 40 seconds the defendant going to retrieve the gun yes um or saying he's going to retrieve God now how long does he put down the phone for before he comes back approximately 25 seconds do you hear any conversation between the the defendant and the 9-1-1 dispatch or the fire department during that 30 second interval no now do you recall that happening around three minutes and 40 seconds approximately Okay so that time of retrieving the gun is the time where he said the light went off in the garage correct but that's only three minutes and 40 seconds into the call correct um if he had started the call at the very moment that he closed the garage door does the garage door still have another minute in 28 seconds before it's supposed to understand well let's just do the math the call starts at 8 45 8 44 54. it's 3 minutes and 40 seconds elapsed can you can you do the math on that well let's just make it easier that portion that finding that happens at 3 40 right yes it's three minutes and 40 seconds less than five minutes and eight seconds yes it is how much time does it take from your testing of the garage for the light to shut off five minutes and eight seconds and his looking for that gun in that garage is happening at three minutes and 40 seconds into the call yes not five minutes and eight seconds correct does the defendant make any remark of oh you know the light just went off anything like that when he came back onto the phone no I'd like to talk about the Santa Fe I finally have a copy of that so I'd like to yeah oh yes I apologize I'm sorry we have this marked just kind of press State request permission to admit stage for post 332 I don't believe there's any objection okay 32 . mm-hmm I'm going to publish you know open video Santa Fe exterior charcoal room claim Santa Fe exterior charcoal room dot MP4 detective if you could what is the date that you see below here May 8th of 2008 and what is the time frame on that it's 7 24 pm Dean walking in this video yes okay around what time I'm I know I've it's been a long time since I reviewed it I'll be able to tell you I understood I know Sharon comes out first and then Mr Randolph comes out afterwards foreign roughly where they are in this video the uh this this would be the entrance that's on uh probably the Northeast area of the Santa Fe um and then when you walk in from the outside walking kind of southeasterly Direction into the casino so behind the camera this way are the doors leading into the casino itself all right timed out I think the network kicked us off here I'm trying to reload [Music] foreign that's Mr Randall the record reflection of witnesses identified Randolph in 1927 in this video he is the figure that is standing just to the left of the slot in this Frame and this the timestamp at least the bottom is three minutes and 30 seconds is a time stamp on like the clock for the camera is 19 27 31. all right I'm going to stop here and I'm going to play the other videos thank you you're not going to play that then I'd move to strike his testimony because what detective O'Kelly said is he said that Sharon came out first and then Mr Randolph and all we saw was Mr Randolph so I had a strike the testimony unless it's there okay I'm going to publish the exterior cameras I don't know if this testimony with respect to the interior of the photo in the interior was you see Shannon Roundup first and then you see Thomas Rhett so you need to play the parts of the video that shows that well did you did you see did you see uh Ms Randolph earlier I did I didn't make comment but I did move the cursor up onto where she was at let's play again she walks over she's walking towards uh what's now called leticia's restaurant but it was called Cabo back then which is consistent with West Mr Randall so if you could take your mouse and show us the general area where we should be working you see her come out here and then she walks it and then does it starts in the beginning and you carrying her purse in the right hand you you tell us when you see it that's her all right I'd like to stop at 1924 fishing one if you could show us let the record reflector witness has identified the female who's just above while she's walking the distance but it's almost like she stood above the big hanging chandelier light and she appears to be the only person standing on the left-hand side of the photograph I will be publishing exterior we're going to publish file name will be cam 408-05-08-08-20-19 detective you let me know when you see Mr Randolph Mrs Randolph that's them that's a record reflect the witnesses identified Mr Randolph the mid Randolph 20 minutes 19 and 17 seconds thank you foreign 2019. can you just let me know if You observe them that's down I'll give you take your mouse and show us where let the record reflect the witnesses Identify two individuals walking across the street in front of a silver sedan that had its lights on at 2019-37. oh Maui playing cam 487-0808-2019 so okay let the wreck reflect the witnesses identifying seeing in that 2019 32 could you oh you have your cursor there uh let the record reflect the witnesses Identify two people walking from the left of the screen towards uh the middle I want to turn your attention to the following day May 9th 2018. can I just should I just hit this blue button together to go back no all right great perfect um so I know that the early morning hours there's that interview number one but later in the day where do you go to on the very next day do you attend something yes it attended uh autopsy all right um You were present uh for the entire procedures that correct yes all right um Detective When bodies are brought into the medical examiner's office is there some circumstances or maybe in every circumstance where there are personal effects that are on their person when they make it to the medical examiners office are collected yes okay was that done for Ms Randolph was that also done for Mr Miller that's correct with the crime scene analyst there with us okay um I want to show you what's been marked as exhibits 187 188 189 what are we looking at there 187 is uh Sharon Randolph's blouse and undergarments and her blue jeans okay 188 is a a photographs more centered on her bra and panties but you can see the blouse and the jeans it looks like the shirt may have been turned over okay and simply this is just numbering wife 189 189 is uh the jewelry that um Sharon Randolph still had that she was still wearing at the time okay publishing 187. 188 189. this time I'd like to also approach with what's been marked as to 194. it's what I believe is 213. take a look at all of these and let me know if you recognize what you're looking at yes I do recognize them at least the personal effects at least the things that were on Mr Miller's person at the time he's transported to the medical Lutheran's office yes publishing 194 is this an overall of all these items yes why are there some items kind of piled up on one leg at the pant and then other items piled up on the other leg most of the crime scene analysts are going to utilize that area of the clothing and you'll see the little placards that they made saying which pocket the the contents came out of okay publishing 195 that's a little bit of a close-up of of those genes is that right yes publishing 196. is that a close-up of the left front jeans pockets and his contents yes it is publishing 197. 198. 199. are these some of the papers that were in his pockets yes publishing 200 what are we looking at here um his wallet that was found in his left ear pocket publishing 201 are these the items that were within his wallet yes publishing 202 is that his sweatshirt yes it is publishing 203 is that just another angle of the sweatshirt yes with uh defects marked publishing 204 is this the reverse angle of that structure yes it's on the back side publishing 205 what are we looking at there it's a henley t-shirt that Mr Miller had underneath the sweatshirt publishing 206 and 207 what are we looking at here it's that same Henley T-shirt with the defects marked with arrows publishing 208 let's just kind of zoom in on the collar of that shirt yes to show the size and who made this shirt publishing 209 and 210 what are we looking at here these are the polyester cotton gloves that Mr Miller was wearing at the scene publishing 211 and 212. what are we looking at here those are the size 9d boots that Mr Miller was wearing and lastly I want to show you 213 what are we looking at there these are the for doing an EKG that medical had placed on Mr Miller foreign [Music] when you went to autopsy did you learn about the trajectory according to the medical examiner about the trajectory of the bullets yes after learning that information and seeing kind of the nature of the injuries did you have a concern about what Mr Randolph had related to you in terms of how things unfolded you've heard of medical examiners experts they even tried to put in their cartoon or they put they put a cartoon through her I do not know why this detective is qualifying to try to make any kind of arguments about trajectory and that mistakes my question I simply asked if he had a concern he's a lead detective and he's allowed to comment on the state of the evidence in his investigation understood so do you make a decision about to do something about a week later with Mr Randall yes okay is it predicated is it in part based off of what you've learned at the scene learn from the interview learn from the 911 call and learn from the autopsy yes okay what do you do one week later actually the day before we had decided that it would be a good idea if Mr Randolph would be willing to to demonstrate at the scene what happened what we call a walk through we've done this before with officer-involved shootings where we can put the officer back in that situation contextually so that they can get a clearer idea of of what happened during the shooting so we had the idea to do that and and detective mogg contacted Mr Randolph on the 14th and he agreed to do the walk through with us so we met him the following day at the residence there was something else before we move on you mentioned how much change did Mr Miller have on his person it was four dollars and some change I don't remember specific a specific amount and I just can't remember if I if I asked you this but in the second interview on June 3rd does the defendant say Mr Miller gave him anything pry on the night on the day of before he left to go to dinner with Sharon that he had paid him back a hundred dollars okay did you find a hundred dollars on Mr Miller at all no all right so um so so you were kind of mentioning a little bit so why did so why did you want to do this with with Mr Randolph like what's the what's the purpose of this weekend okay he has the reason why what are you gonna do next week and was that based on all these different things and they said yes and detective Mark set it up so I was asking the same question again well I mean I'll I'll rephrase I mean let me ask you this um have you is this is this a tactic you use or a technique that you use to entrap people or what's I mean you know what I mean like is it for you know just normal citizens is it for only suspects like why why walkthroughs because it can give us Clarity again putting it in the in the context of an officer involved shooting we'd sit down and do an interview at the homicide office with an officer involved in a shooting and you may have uh you know what we call cognitive dissonance where they get things out of order or they have auditory exclusion where they don't hear certain things like the gunshots or you get tunnel vision like you hear described and normally you can see those things in an interview so we ask the officer then to come back again contextually to the scene and once they're there you'll oftentimes see those holes filled or you'll see them put things in order because now they realize hey this how you know you were standing over here or I heard you say that you know I heard this officer say this now that they're back there because of the inconsistencies that that we saw at the scene at the Randolph's house things that that to me didn't make sense we saw an opportunity maybe for Mr Randolph to come back and and doing the walk through have some of those things explained that it would give Clarity in our investigation maybe he would come back and and we we get a complete understanding of what happened okay so because in theory I mean he could have he could have said you know I just recalled to me this is what really happened versus something else correct certainly okay but when when the walk through happens is is the events that he's saying in terms of like the location of where he starts shooting does that remain the same yes foreign the course of this inner during the course of this interview our investigation did you interview approximately 60 different people yes there's there's about 30 transcribed statements in the case File and we talked to at least double that yes okay and and just answer the question kind of yes or no you did do some traveling just yesterday to do some traveling to interview some people correct yes okay um this included family and friends of Sharon Randolph yes did it also include family members and Friends of of Michael Miller yes when you when you start to interview these people do you start to develop a picture about the relationship between Tom and Sharon yes when you interview these people you start to get an understanding of the relationship between Michael and and Tom yes focusing on Michael for a second at certain points and maybe in the second year I just don't remember exactly but is there a point where the defendant suggests that that Mr Miller might have some outstanding warrants something of that nature yes did you look up to see if Mr Miller had any outstanding warrants any outstanding warrants cause we're here well I think the question was did you look that up you can answer that answer that okay did you look it up yes okay did you find anything to corroborate can I can I approach on this yeah did you find any active warrants no we did not okay um let's talk about um one of the things you mentioned you kind of started to get a sense of the nature of the relationship between Sharon and um the defendant eventually do you come into possession during your investigation a will that was produced in June of 2006. yes June 6th specifically Sharon's will yes essentially it's the bulk of everything left to the defendant in that will yes is and executive estate is there a second will that comes to your attention that's kind of dated January of 2007. yes um is the is that a state of Sharon being left to Colleen and not the defendant that's correct oh I want to ask you about um let's talk about life insurance for a little bit protective start conducting research on whether there are any life insurance policies in which Sharon's life is insured and the defendant is a beneficiary of those life insurance bosses yes this time we're asking permission to publish 328 which has been admitted oh I apologize any objections too okay no we're asking that station Pros 328 okay and we did do 332 correct your honor yes yes I also have 331. we'll do this a little bit later but it's the it's the June 3rd interview okay so we're going to be requesting that that be admitted as well just another question [Music] I use this 328 yes it is right so um do you do you come into possession of a life insurance policy from protective life formerly known as Chase life insurance I don't know that we got a copy of the policy but yes we did become aware of the insurance policy well let's just take a look at this for a second oh sorry okay um if you're if we're showing you page four here let me zoom in um who is the insured on this policy can you read that okay Sharon because uh it's Sharon cause that's her maiden name excuse me I'd like to turn your attention to under number two what is the face specified amount two hundred thousand dollars I want to go to section three beneficiary information who is the beneficiary of this policy Tom W Randolph how much of the proceeds 100 during the course of your investigation uh did Sharon have any children yes how many children did she have Colleen was her daughter okay did she have any grandchildren yes how many I believe two okay okay what is the date of the signature on this application January 30th 006 okay and based on your investigation it's your understanding they were legally married in 2007. yes I'd like to turn to page 10 of this uh this particular file what is this portion of the document appear to be it's showing it's a claimant statement showing the Sharon cos Randolph as deceased okay so it's an application to receive the proceeds correct correct what is the date on here July 11th of 2008 I want to turn attention to the Prudential life insurance policy opening that file if you could in the upper right hand corner if you please read what this says up here application for life insurance or policy change okay who's the name of the primary proposed insured Sharon cause turning to page three of this document what type of policy is it it's a term essential 20 and what's the amount of insurance 100 000. who is the beneficiary Thomas W Randall Jr what is the how is how does Mr as a domestic partner it doesn't correct it's just yes judged and I would say that it's not Mr Randall to clarify themselves that way it's Miss Randolph who Miss uh sure that one was going the exactly my question I mean we don't know who technically typed all this information out correct no we don't okay and and just to be clear what's the date on this signature February 16 2006 and where what city and state is that sign that in Ogden Utah uh here because you can please read where she signs her name on Facebook oh it's frozen again it was a tricky bandwidth okay there's a plastic nutshell I've been focusing on my screen guidelines okay showing page 12 51. um what is the date of sharing cause a signature here January 16th of 2000 2006 excuse me going to page 27. section 2 States what you can read it can you see what that says it says claimant information this section is to be completed by the individual claiming death benefits Thomas W Randolph Jr Caribou of Dorothy Randolph his mother at 260 South 700 East Clearfield Utah 84015 and this policy number matches the policy number on the application yes what is the what is the date of Mr Randolph signature here on page 28 June 19 2008. hoping the film 's life insurance policy going to page 11. um if you could read what does it say right here in the middle it says proof of accidental death Affidavit of claimant who is the signature Thomas Randolph Jr care of whom Dorothy Randolph his mother what is the date of this um absolutely claim it June 11 2008. who is the beneficiary under this claimant form Thomas William Randolph Jr okay um just to be clear and during the course of your investigation do you speak or does your partner speak with someone at Stonebridge Life Insurance yes and do you learn that this particular policy was an amount of ten thousand dollars yes additionally um based on your investigation either you or detective Wilson do you reach out to or do you speak or communicate with a Boston Mutual Insurance Company yes detective Wilson did do you learn that Sharon has a life insurance policy in the amount of twenty two thousand dollars correct okay and that came through her work yes and it was kind of paid kind of garnished regularly out of her wages is that correct that's my understanding okay in in total was there two hundred and thirty two thousand dollars in life insurance that we that we were able to find there's no Central repository to be able to find all of that first of all I think you got your number wrong yeah thirty three thirty two sorry thank you I apologize 332. I thought you said you're not very good at math so it's 332 000 yes that's what I thought you said and and just to be clear in your officers report I think you said it was 323 000. yeah that transposed the numbers it's my bad okay at this time I want to turn our attention to the June 3rd hearing you you participated in that interview yes I did and Mr Randolph wasn't in custody at the time was that correct he was not he was free to leave at any point yes was he in handcuffs or anything like that no okay Consulting dictionaries using the internet or using reference materials you must not make any investigation tests if they are the case recreating the aspect of the case on any other way investigative state so Wisconsin Community 325 will be in recess until 3 4. all rise for the jury foreign yesterday all right we've been quite important thank you so objective detective Bill Kelly second oh Kelly you had mentioned that you conducted an interview with the defendant on June 3rd of 2008 is that correct yes we did who was present with you in the interview uh myself and detective MOG all right um I am publishing what has been marked as exhibits who's been admitted a state 331. excuse me for the record we started playing around I don't know 1340. in terms of the time counter at the bottom those oh my God yeah looking for money [Music] but I guess it's on the other days most likely 35 motorcycle battery um there's a message [Music] [Music] right now okay okay bye it's very popular I think it's her uncle because who she said I'm done so it was a security police yeah foreign going upward and towards the left so let's see in the bathroom [Music] I had no idea [Music] all right foreign [Music] right so let's see about it he will ask the first number okay the first one and you [Music] autism so we put them above the land and didn't have the key which isn't unusual but sometimes I live up to the chair I'll leave it in the pool could find anywhere so [Music] pull over [Music] foreign previously you know what happened in previous ly but but before Oh yeah so we have extra keys um money on this Sunday if you know my friends so um that day when this happened when you guys so she had necklace over there like he would not have been in the law freshwater Stone now we shouldn't have been they shouldn't but I don't know if they want something or not because trying to I needed that and then loaded the card so you see if you pick up but [Music] that is I mean this is the issue with data coming through to represent I might just you don't mind can I just try to Hardline it in okay I mean it may be easier sorry I have to use this is one second let me just foreign foreign [Music] oh my son Mayfield great thing it was in there [Music] so um that day when this happened when you guys so she had Nicholas over there that king would not have been in the North Shore so no we shouldn't have been we shouldn't because the island knows if they went swimming or not because [Music] bro [Music] so you took your car to go up look at the 11 000 oh yeah so [Music] um and uh haven't slept or anything but uh and even mentioned something when we did that walk through that he brought he had the same bags that he had in the car normally had to say that if he had some plastic bags clothes eggs one of those girls bathroom clothes I don't remember boots or anything like that her shoes during a walk through yeah he has or you saw the same bags there by the door that he had earlier when I I don't know that it was sent back I seen plastic bags and got two plastic bags I don't know what kind of plastic bags Walmart Kmart whatever um said he had a date and it was close obviously you didn't care so um just trying to build obviously neither one of us knew Mike and even one of us knew your wife so we're just trying to build like a foundation of what you you make what she was like she was wonderful it wasn't for me you first know did you ever have an equaling that you may have had sometimes well yeah obviously he's black and that kind of jobs buying a 40 ounce or whatever they call them the big bottles that's your first clue that you can have like a drug problem you don't answer me from interviewers [Music] and he smokes anymore [Music] [Music] um did he ever ask to use any of your prescription medication or your pain pills or anything um [Music] I had some kojis or something like that the broken hand food he asked him but now he's a you know that you may have taken some of your drugs and give them to [Music] I wouldn't sometimes I don't think you know usually I hate most of them I keep my hand at a monthly thing I used to have a bottle that had a few extra months after taking 10 years what are those patches you had that looks like big four by fours one of them I'll be early um what are you using for paper oh three back uh okay and some days you take them the life of these we call them in general because it was not working because I I know a couple times my mind just barely just rub them on to get a mistake like and then sharp taste kind of you know get put out of the doctor and you can start tasting the medicine these things are strong and then you get tires they say and uh they're pretty strong and and they've recall them very long for me to fall off right yeah I'm sure my pillows and sheets so he didn't have two year knowledge [Music] [Music] [Music] as an apprenticeship like a German members her Apprentice first the new masonry and he showed me that he got his hours [Music] some started working for the union did you ever go back with him yeah he started because [Music] like that she don't like to call rooms my money is her money and that's all that's all curves so how did that make you feel I mean his friend of yours and you wanted to lend him five bucks and she didn't like that oh that didn't matter that's my other name of my mind [Music] put his girlfriend or wife or whatever came out he wanted one of them [Music] my daughter my son or whatever Salon Beyond for weeks I think 150. he says you know so you better not end up looking to sing another night because uh tomorrow if you come to my house early in the morning or night I'm just not answering phones [Music] when his wife came out I don't know this is why I need his girlfriend now he's he's talking to three or four girls [Music] um spread a little Caster or something like that I've never been tall buildings here um so [Music] do you think your best yeah [Music] anyway [Music] s [Music] um was in the union and their social security number switched and the ecstatic might be his way into a big garnish for child support because you don't have any kids [Music] you mentioned it challenging like that she just but everyone always says she forgetted me for that at the time that I was going to be probably 100 to go to England she says [Music] don't know for a long time they didn't speak because of money [Music] sure you might belong Sharon and Mike Miller he's got to be a little bit of problem I said you come over just stop in you know she'll call first we talk to him you know getting pissy about it sometimes I don't feel good I'm thinking you don't snap back pissed off at you or her five [Music] because I just told you I'm not even getting out of bed I'm not even going to get up and talk to yourself [Music] in the morning because I'm Vietnam but I really didn't understand lift boxes and do work he couldn't run the native he couldn't put a screw him and said he was lunch so so basically everybody got along I mean it wasn't like he had this violent temper or anything like that [Music] um what about we know about his gambling what about um anything that you might have stolen from it was obviously I mean if he's moving his stuff around and out in the garage or out your shed I think he may have to get some money before and maybe some pills because you know I trust him I didn't I didn't you know if I invite you in my home there's a reason for it because it makes you think he may have taken some pills what would he Assurance Bill she said she was missing some thoughtful pills that she couldn't find and as I I can't I won't stand here and tell you 100 to get it because I don't sleep pretty soon and I hurt really bad and I didn't really talk to my mom I talked to others through there's to reduce the time hurting really bad matter of fact that somebody bought bikes this Saturday you'll need some help questioning just the question I just needed to wait till I met got back up where it was supposed to be so I could do this a few times act like an idiot stand up stand up Catch My Breath Remember come back in but anybody out who else do you know about his past relatives were in relativism and shoot where we shoot we got land down in Arizona and we shot there once before with a guy and the guy was entertaining my colleague so then I called in there that actually ultimate and he said next time you come to town stop in it's a small town like we've got the coffee by the new beer then I'll know yet it's cool YouTube early I don't know it's a federal line so I barely get shoot so does any of your Arizona so his uncle supposedly has eight candies and what is she was saying things to shoot down this backyard 20 30 miles in 14 minutes somewhere out there in the desert I don't know if that's true or not but um [Music] [Music] [Music] she can't um but um we loaded up a couple of times a couple of times football was impossible that's not what we came in to lived well yeah probably 40 miles to 511 but yeah actually I got so many bullets here yeah I'm sorry a small war on a fair country a Slaughter right as well small freedom they're not here for uh two dollars a month and a half but 30 of them first like twenty four dollars I think next day they went up to like 1995 for the plastic piece of sugar and about two or three thousand rounds two or three months but two or three crates medication the next day we couldn't afford to create yeah so um when you're an avid shooter then he said I'm not not now it's or cancer if you ever do any uh Close Quarter shooting what yeah sometimes I have to I better 22 negative that's about that long and I'll shoot that five times a few times it's it's still it's real better guys email address cox.net 10 years that's it oh you're saving your share of the same one that's on your computer but I have Tommy rapid t h o m m i e r a v i t o one and AOL and if you get on there you can go ahead and delete them because there's probably 12 13 14 000 messages [Music] so you said you went out of town for a week every day Miller 150 bucks a couple of days borrowed you know 20 bucks so they were the end key to the house so I'm just curious about that key that you told me about boy who may have had that if he had a key it's either going to chair and he took it that day and Sharon didn't get it back or even an obvious or something because like I said I've lost the key and looked for it and looked for it looked for it and just lay it right there on that ground I'd look forward from 20 30 minutes and then if you broke into your house supposedly I understand it's an accident so I took me these before they had loads of stuff because we had started paid you know two hundred dollars my ass to leave um the two hundred dollars to load it back up two days later my ass and come back home and um and um you know they say yeah yeah I understand understand understand they've got business decorations with this and that and so we started decided that one of them has to speak English well enough but he can be boss but he told me that this one being a kid was a very common rich man a lot of nice things was actually looking at my plastic boxes look at it and Mike also came out and uh when they both told me that and I want the message in his own the guy that came with me I had never been there before this stuff and it turned out like he says gave me 20 bucks put it in the park and get back down that's it yeah because we're just trying to figure out why [Music] anything at all that happened that day that he might have said to you when you went after you dropped him off if you went home you picked Sharon and Nicholas left immediately the three of you look again she was wearing it earlier than the day but we had Nicholas there and I had been gone and Colleen Nicholas's mom has just been going crazy about the guns and she's okay that I got him but she's horses getting him in the halfway Escape curious Thomas's climbing so she always was just about my pills I got the shot finger and then a state of sleep you know trying to take these kids and fails today a week and it seems like they're all the time on the floor where you find them over time and that's bad because they'll kill the kids and um so that's one of the things that [Music] probably five years before so I'm wearing around that day and when we started to leave shares of peppers and nicholases in the truckers um you know I told you I had a another woman that I was involved with at the very beginning and I agreed and borrowed money from her mother [Music] [Music] [Music] I never asked Indianapolis you guys was doing that night and then you left the clip in my pocket from the gun the elastic clip of my pocket in my briefcase I had like tourism [Music] yeah but I didn't think he was going to steal my mind but you know I didn't expect actually to come out after talking to 9-1-1 I have always thought response and I'm going to say I'm disabled and you know this is really starting to hurt and you know one of the bricks it was it was a plane close enough that gives him a funky State that's all wrong you know there's only one that there was something I just was in there for 10 minutes here's the keys there's a [Music] come on you get a little crazy truck and full attention where's the Christmas [Music] again I didn't know that at the time there as soon as you came out okay [Music] I remember asking me where the pad was but the keypad number was and I kept telling him telling me about push this version of the garage [Music] [Music] you know but um yeah so back to Miller I mean how much left anything I can't tell you at all that happened that day that made him believe that he needed to get into your house that night I I did I was coming I took 24 hours cash and Spice [Music] foreign [Music] but um the gangbanger place or whatever you said were there for others and you know that's really weird too because his uncle called me in Utah that I was in Utah but I had an asteroid looking for a month and fighting for a couple days my city was in jail and then they didn't actually run you on the family child is important warrants that he had and he said that somebody had got and [Music] [Music] shortly after 1900 bucks Mike okay you guys were knocking off somewhere between there and up by a fiesta yeah yeah somewhere oh because he wanted to go further over something about she just was down the street by this car wash or something like Adventure Republicans for 6 30. so I missed the bank but I was I something else [Music] but together [Music] [Music] as I said the last time was going to share his parents experience brothers who retired Warren officer and uh so you got me up because I only see two seats I can put one seat but that was my last scheme two years ago because it hurts so bad I had to suffered a patch and and oxycons you know just put a handful of snow like a driver they had to stop assistant [Music] home 10 minutes because we're just trying to figure out how money got back and uh so you drop them off the house or I didn't because I'm just bleeding I just look at the front on the car and got to go back out of the car okay [Music] yeah you left with her yeah it says something called things she's going to freak out yeah so plus you're going to a casino right so if you can't be wearing down in here for the young friends correctly that I was under the impression as of November 7th of this year the legislature said that they're actually going to be respectable and again permanent deal and it's not registered so he would probably list your interview that you can carry the gun on the casino you're going to concerts so um I carry cash and I'm paranoid about it and then you know there's there's apparently non-junkies out there who'll love your house and shoot you for three four hundred dollars worth of cheap ass guns scored a mine years ago um said that he never called you or anything after that after you dropped him off down there on Rachel I really don't remember [Music] recollection of it because of this when I was sleep for days and then I finally sleep I can't even funny before I put my guns because that's why I say I wouldn't when I started to tell you guys and then I stopped because I lost my train of thought I would swear to you that he took my pills because sometimes I I went up to California recently one of the things here at my ass and left and um just scratching the clothes and which was a great thing because I was dying I was dying and they wouldn't fill my prescriptions I just had them refilled and they won't I guess they don't blooming or shape so that was inclination come back to Nevada to get my medicine filled because I don't go along with that in three days and I'll start doing the referral thing I have a heart attack procedure you've been arrested for free I said he did a robbery once a bakery or something like this little kid decided [Music] I don't know what I was gonna Rob the Chinese food store his brother came in from the same place while he was still in a famous for you guys [Music] about that because [Music] I have no problems and since I got a bad back with me and I may even try to find his friend to hold you I can't catch you with a few months I don't know as fast as you can and the right fielder threw me out of first place well that's up you don't put a camera but I'm getting but um here [Music] but it's not going to be anything like you just want to get out because they can put me in mind the answer for me to have a moment so you know um if I read her back well I got you but then we get out of my yeah they might put you in the bad spot I mean [Music] why don't you take the shot at you he was trying to shoot me his love around he was trying to shoot if you try to shoot somebody you think you'd be able to do it uh yeah [Music] I don't know who the fancy got on but you don't have any clothes that's why sharing your games and stuff [Music] way too big for me for him but his clothes must be like he has about the cinched up 15 holes too big too small but whatever it probably didn't have too many clubs have you ever seen one of those before pardon me you ever seen him wearing the clothes we was in before actually I think I had seen a sweatshirt that's what time you think and as I remember the mask wasn't all of my family about right here yeah and if you're lucky yeah I was lucky I wouldn't tell anybody that I thank you for fixing my holster because there was a lot of excess the most generic holsters and a lot of the wedding on it and I had my neighborhood City cut it off so the site was there did you have to get very little advisory or I'm just like you were able to draw the weapon easier from The holster or what anybody [Music] still Sharon no anybody who would pay money to somebody else like if somebody could have gotten to Mike and said hey you know what I have a problem with these people if I gave you X number of dollars sharing for this cheap number I thought about that I actually thought about that with my mother and my mother said Sharon has been talking to my mother a lot since my dad had a stroke because my mom the same thing we moved my father to the different facility because of Sheriff's input and it was the best thing we did for my dad everyone [Music] some of her friends and it's their you know the same stuff that you talk about Tom is there anybody that you can think of that might have paid my money to do this you know and thank you so we talked about my news history what about sharing is there anything in her past anybody that mind and input has something like this done to her from you your greatest boyfriend [Music] everybody out and blindly did because totally some transsexual from the show ER [Music] so anybody on her side do you know she had a real family I really don't know that it's your name is she had money in somewhere whatever there's just a lot of stuff that what you think may not be important to a case we might look at it and go you know this may have given him a reason over here why he did what he did but now there's times that we go and I don't gamble that much but I can't sit in most chairs they hurt me back and [Music] [Music] you know on Amber's tits when she brings into it like that but um I don't see that much for kids but cheers a lot is for me a lot is 20 bucks I pissed twenty dollars worth of blood that seems like a good deal with my mind and that's stuck up here but um you know 20 bucks what did she what's a normal day at the casino for until well she maxed out all these new credit cards so she didn't have that all of a sudden she had somehow sales [Music] that was canceled but when I came back she didn't reveal and she liked me she wasn't like being alone so I'll figure it out doing something or gambling the one I heard calling sitting there and calling on her machine somehow this is a Sharon's machine which is it just I thought it was cute [Music] [Music] instead of a thousand some high arms and play Vehicles you're also looking forward to the machine yet I don't know how she did it but I can't even I can't even I can't even see as fast as Sharon doing that shirt but I didn't do taxes last year because I do my own taxes and I don't want to talk about taxes now or whatever okay just because I don't want to and our responsibility events and um [Music] so this year instead of getting 4 000 back I actually had to pay taxes and it's locked up Insurance account which I also you earn money because she said she was overdrawn but um she had forty thousand dollars changed medical records Financial records distributed reports criminal reports um everything one in Indianapolis [Music] New Jersey to Canada a big house but two kind of little rooms one bit more Vegas stuff so as you want to be closer to her grandkids I guess so so just kind of thought that she was pregnant so I figured maybe she actually some of them calling them invited me to their Heritage Apartments that was just picture our monthly faces and but um check foreign [Music] [Music] so and um same problem told me the Church of the family and meet these people and you just trust them on just they seem like nice guys and they help you out next thing you know they're here and I'm missing 400 out of my purse or my mom's gets ripped off and teens Realms that are stereo gets ripped off and um and [Music] Lizzy got a bunch of cash and left it this is before Sharon this is years ago that left it hanging by the back door not slow sheet pushing but the keys in the first shift over there same thing to share about those keys so when you're on the way out the I think she just was not sure about Payson you know days of my pot there I hide it in my shoes and then I fall asleep after two or three days I can't find the keys or myself I gave here and I think I got a note for 30 some thousand dollars and I gave her 20 grand when we moved in because I was going to vote like everybody in the house and uh I gave her five thousand dollars when I moved back this last time from going to California and I didn't um [Music] 805 649 -5792 . did you say every last thing it's like all this money to rent a truck and pack it up and I got there and I felt real bad from the long drive and man her and her girlfriend [Music] and it's in this little California town it's beautiful and she said last time you're gonna give me five thousand dollars so I don't worry about this again and all that was about is if you get 5 000 policy would pay for the combo that you're committed to then [Music] problems and uh in refinance the house [Music] or something if you had to some of the sharing in one word what would you say wonderful doesn't ever happen to me nice what about Mike his mom his mom but he's a nice guy [Music] jealous I'm recently honest I I told Sharon from day one I still have children get married better tell you this now is for that feelings of realism so that would be your shortcoming what would the shortcoming be it's interesting [Music] because that's just too much money and we've talked about Mike and Sharon's history [Music] uh sorry to win where are you alone I'm a smart I should have been on the Dream Team I always wanted to be a lawyer picking a bachelor's degree but yeah [Music] political science you want to be a lawyer I'm wondering for 20 years social security thing Department doing social security thing investigator is Fairly Legal ran a lot of their law offices [Music] um mostly investigations but um when elements [Music] and everything from hiring environment [Music] but uh I want to be a hippie it seemed like the girls really like the hair and I found that I really enjoyed fast cars and my Spokes and airplanes and tomorrow I'm sorry so actually I I hated asking for it I had code since I just told you I didn't like you I'm sorry well it's not personal like it's not like you in general just because you might miss somebody else please um always neglect always kind of regretted that and um foreign [Music] should we land one time I'm pretty smart and I everything was cool till I married Becky and uh she married her one I think I just forget it yeah ladies and gentlemen this is a good time for us to take our evening recess because there's enough of this video that we can't finish it today or do you want to stay with us so at this point we are going to take our night recess during this research on 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Published: Tue Aug 22 2023