W. Glenn Davis Interview, 11/19/1990

what they've read and seen since running essentially what they remember it's just a nice part of the world yeah everybody I'll help let's see if we got on any common audio well would you just say a couple things that's it okay first of all the phone was ringing right okay the way really the way I became involved in this was started out in the after early afternoon around probably 1:30 in the afternoon and I received a telephone call from the mortuary officer out at the Walker Air Force Base Army Airfield basin and he was requiring inquiring about what would be the smallest possible casket that we could get that would be hermetically sealed and at that time I know that we had used like the fourth feet and gaskets we had used those before but I thought they also made them in at three six so but I he wanted to know if we had any and stuff and I said no but I could make of called a Morrell I can have him in you know by 7:00 o'clock the next morning on the truck he said I'll get back to you and that was the first contact that I had with the base then he called back home probably 45 minutes or so later and he said I need to ask you some more questions he said in case something like this should happen he said we we need to know what the preparation would have what your preparations are for the bodies that had been laying out in the elements you know and he said we need to know also but what if your treatments of the bodies are the remains what could you do to them and if your treatments would it would it change any of the chemical breakdown of the tissues the blood would it make a difference and I said I thought probably it would and I said of course he knew exactly how we would treat those bodies because we have an outline from them and what we really have to do I think he read that he already at that point he exactly what we would have to do no I told him I said if you if you have a problem if you want do you know if you have something you don't really know what to do about it let me come out you know you know try to help you do whatever you want to do and he said and he said no he said so he said well you know we don't really have anything he said we're sitting here thinking in case we should get involved in something like this you know what would be our preparation what what would should we do then I you know I went to I said do you really want to know how we would do it well yes you know we would like to know so that's when I explained to him that we would have the vats that we would fill up with a with formaldehyde solution with water and we put the bodies in him let him stay there for 24 hours and then take them out and then we would pack the bodies in would be a saw destin really a lime no what we would pack them in and wrapped him in the flesh that was bodies that were badly decomposed if there was tissue deep tissue we would have to do it hypodermic Li with needles to get to the deep tissue then we would have to aspirate the cavities if the cavities hadn't already ruptured and then put some cavity fluid in those I said that's you know kind of normal procedure three times yeah you mean when I offered to take care of them he said well we don't really write at this time we don't really need your assistant but he said in case something like this should happen and he said we would be prepared and we would know what to do then we got back onto the subject of maybe not damaging any of the chemical compounds or anything with the bodies are you know tissues whatever because it and they wanted do you know how do you would you pick bodies up like that and what would you do not to to contaminate any of it well I thought maybe what happened they might have had a VIP or you know some officers and something that happened they maybe they didn't want you know wanted to keep it quiet and even probably want to do it themselves not be involved with the civilian in businesses well no I didn't go out to the base yeah I was curious but then I didn't go out to the base and probably a couple of hours later and I've got an emergency call it was an airman that was in your dinner an accident and I took the airman to the base he wrote in the ambulance with me and I take him out to the emergency room and that's why I became really involved at the base I didn't go out just because I was curious picked up and just described to me well and I got the call you know I left funeral home and the hamlets went to the scene of the accident picked the airman up he did not place him on a stretcher because yet it had injury and the nose I think his nose was fractured so I did some minor first-aid and then he sat in the front seat with me all the way to the base when we got to the base then he walked into the emergency room I didn't have to take him in and they didn't bring out a you know a gurney or anything we just he just walked in on his own then I never did see him after that then I had this friend that I wanted to talk to you and say this is the lieutenant nurse that I knew quite well they had only been there approximately and only been commissioned and been out to sign this was their first assignment to the head up to the air base and I wanted to talk to her and so this I was going down the hall and I first thing the lady that I want the lieutenant that I wanted to see he was coming out of one room going across the hall to the other and she noticed me she said how did you get in here and what are you doing in here and she said you better get out and her she said you're going to get in a lot of trouble she said would you please leave and get out of here and hurry and then about I turned around and then about and she went on into the other room then about the time I turned around there was uh there was another officer said wait wait a minute and I said looks like he had a crash he said I see there's some you know in the ambulance that in the ambulance is out there I've seen a lot of recognize that where was the crash and he said there wasn't any crash and he said then he said just wait a minute and then I he said wait a minute and I you know stood there for a minute and he turned around and he wouldn't leave must wait for somebody else to come out because there was another officers coming out he said this man says it was a crash out at the base he said he wanted to know about he was inquiring about our crash and this was when I encountered he was a redheaded officer and very nasty very rough he said you did not see any crash there was not any cat crash and he said you get the hell out of here and you didn't see anything and you don't talk to anybody he said you got to get in hell a lot of trouble and I said look I'm surveying the damn thing you do to me about it he said no but somebody might be picking your bones out of sand that's when he made the remark there then there was a black sergeant that was standing beside him and he said yeah but he would make better dog food for our dogs because I didn't understand that but my father happened to be an old trapper and for a hobby and everything I said my father uses guys like you for bait and he's cow traps and then there was two MPs that joined me right on take me outside and he told to me by my elbows and they escorted me out to the back to the Amundsen followed me all the way back to the funeral home yeah when yeah because usually where I parked there was three field ambulances right in the area where I usually Park we'll be back up to them to the ramps so I just pulled up to the side in front of those and parked out the front in the airman and I got out and walked in so when I passed when I got up went up the steps and up the ramp and I was walking going into the emergency room I noticed that the doors were open and there but what was odd about it there was an MP standing beside each one of the vehicles in the back standing there and the doors were open naturally I was curious and you know I just happened to look in that's when I saw some debris it looked like parts of a plane or something that they had had a crash because I've seen him do this a lot of times bringing in pieces and the old laments is in they were I noticed in two of the ambulances there was some debris that was probably two and a half to three feet you know long and probably high that was propped up on the side of the ambulance there they were kinda in the shape of maybe like a half a canoe they they were like the front part of a canoe and you know did look like it looked like it might be aluminum but it looked more like it was the metal look more like stainless steel that had been heated it was blue kind of a bluish tint to it what was that about it it looked like around the curved part in the front of the canoe there was some that some designs or something it kind of reminded me of maybe some Egyptian signs or whatever and it was probably about three inches and high and probably the length of what the wreckage I saw it looked like it was wrecked and the same thing was in in the other end with steel mean I saw practically the same thing the pieces that were practically the same size and the insignias looked like whatever that might be was part of the wreckage well I didn't know really until until till the next day I called out I kept trying to get a hold of it because naturally I was curious and I wanted to know what was going on and so I called out the next day and then probably around 11:30 she said I know you've been trying to get a hold of me but I haven't been available and she said why don't you meet me at the officer's club if you would if you have time maybe elf's club and we'll have lunch and I want to know I want to talk to you you know the funeral home we had it and at that time we had all the Sun of the business there had an associate membership to the officer's club and our funeral home had that membership and also that a card to identify myself and what business that I was you know associated with so I had no problem one time I go to base all that dude a lot of times if it was in the evening I have to stop sign of esters and get a visitor's pass and then turn it in when I left there was no problem going out there so I went on out met her Big Bird well we you know both ordered I'm not sure remember what we ordered but there was just a light just a light lunch but she was so upset she looked like she's you know in shock because what she really talked like and look like and she said I want to she said I said well I've just curious know the reason I want to talk to you it was curious and what happened and she said well you won't believe it and she says I don't believe it either but she said I got in a lot of trouble on this thing I probably I'm not real sure about this but she said when I then she pulled out of a little purse or a little pocketbook whatever she had there she gave me a little diagram that she had that she had drawn some drytown some figures of some arms and face and so on she told me that this is what you know was what was in those that it was a crash wasn't an airplane but they didn't know what it was at that yeah but she said we have three bodies that there was three bodies she's at two of them were very mutilated one looked like it might have walked out or did it you know might have lived a little while and she explained they were like three and a half feet four feet tall the team of the bodies were you can identify much because they were practically destroyed and it looked like maybe that they might have been a predatory animal or something might been doing some damage on the bodies - well she said that you had in the live drawings that I had she had way she explained it in way she drew it that the heads were somewhat larger than than a human heads the hands were long no thumbs there was just a long very delicate fingers at the end of the undecided at the tip of each fingers was a pad like maybe a little pad but it looked like the skin had maybe a little such and like little suction cups no nose on the no fingernails on the hands the head the lips were very just a long narrow more or less not full lips like we would have in most of our people but very fine line very fine lips there was no teeth that was the inside of the mouth it was it was kind of like a real gams from maybe it was she said explain it it was almost as hard as if it was rawhide maybe at that the years there was only two small officers on each side of the head would look like a couple of small lobes that might someway that might cover both of those but there was not a treating year and also that the nose there was only two small orifices and knows that there was there was really no nose that was the convex it was old just flesh with the of the face very much so very emotional she would have to stop and drink water every once in a while and also she never touched a meal with all the time we were talking in an hour and a half that we were there she never touched him any other demonstrations of emotion well just you know every once in while she'd go whoo like this you know then wringing her hands and she said there was the most most or I've never been so horrified in my life I've never seen anything so Grissom in my life never smelt anything that smelt the worst in my life and she told me that when I saw her she was leaving the room to go to the bathroom because she was deathly ill and was going to throw up she told me she said I don't know I asked you that question which to the doctors and she says I don't know that she said I don't know that I knew them and that was her answer so but she said she walked in the room and they said hey we need you you need to help us and that was the way she became involved in it then she got ill the doctors would also became very ill they would have to do a little examination and they'd have to leave and go sit down and then they would come back and do a little bit more it was that bad well we misted well and then I had to get back to the funeral home go back to work but then I never did see her after that and I called out the next day to see how she was feeling see what and they told me that she wasn't available then I wouldn't be available that day I call the next day and they told me that she had been transferred and it was rather odd because she don't have been at the base less than three months that was non-commissioned less than three months and that was her first assignment so it was rather odd that she would be transferred out you know within three months I guess you got a letter then about two weeks probably two weeks at least two weeks could have been a little longer but I know it was at least two weeks I got a I got a letter addressed to me glad that us that the battered field home with she didn't say it didn't have any return to address or anything on it but inside of the letter there was just a note she said I don't have time to write I will write lay it later this is my APO number and that was that was the extent of it so then I wrote back to her and asked her good more or less how you know how she was feeling and why the sudden transfer and I hope that she wasn't in any trouble he was just a short note I really did go into a lot of detail like then probably three weeks or probably a month after that then I got the letter that I had mailed to her it was returned it was stamped returned and also it told them then red printing it said deceased and that's less time I've ever heard or heard anything about it then well probably then I went out to the base a few days later and I was talking to one of the nurse and I said you know whatever happened in lieutenant and she said well the rumor is that we heard that she was killed with five other nurses in her training mission in a plane crash and that was it whether it was in London English she said in in the note that she said me that she was in London station in London and that was it that's the last time I heard no I don't think so after all what's happening after you know threatening me and everything I doubt very seriously that she was I would hope not does this say if she she feels like you know she wants to talk if she feels like I would like to hear from her yes see what's been going on in her life and why she wasn't able to contact me if she you know he is like okay what happened there then the next day after I was there when I had the problem with the officer and a black man I was told my father was contacted by our sheriff George Wilcox which was a very close friend of my father they were very good friends and he called to see if my father was home because he wanted to come out and talk to my father and he did so and he told my father that there was a black sergeant from the base that came to the his office was inquiring about who my parents where my mother and my father if I had any brothers or sisters you know you know wanting to know my what my personal family who they were and where they were George said that he didn't you knew I had some family but he didn't know you know where they were anything else so anyway he told my father that he did contact and father and he told my father that he thought I might be in some trouble and but he didn't they evidently didn't explain why I was in trouble so you know first thing my father did was get in his car and come to the funeral said we had to talk because he and I were very close we real you know real good friends best friend I ever had was my father he said I've got to talk he said if you're in trouble he said we got to do something about and I said I'm not in trouble he said well you are he said George Wilcock told me that you were in a lot of trouble and that you got involved in something that you had no business getting involved in and that she could be in a lot trouble and I said then so I told my father the story he's the only man that I've ever told a story to until I talked to Stan Friedman and to you people and that's that period and I did tell my father what what the story was Chris it was you know it was unbelievable for him but then he became very upset and he wanted to go shoot a few people know that because they did threaten my life and you know and they so that was the way my father heard about it and that was extent my family and he never would tell him who my brother I had a brother that was a fighter pilot during that time and I had three sisters and one of them was a nurse but I bet he would never tell him anything and so he didn't tell the sheriff rebut yes because the sheriff was supposed to come back given the names where they were at he wouldn't do it well she well she was the only remark that she ever made was that they definitely weren't humans as we know humans but they could be from another planet Earth the doctors were explaining this that they couldn't be from our planet they had to be an alien there had to be something yes but not not in our planet well of course they would you know first thing she said they were like they were just as black as he could be but probably laying out in the elements and in July in Roswell was 105 210 typically every day in 80 degrees or so at night I mean that's not they wouldn't be in common because we picked up a lot of sheep herders of people that have been found dead that's laying in the desert you know for days and get Loretta snakes or whatever and they do turn you know as black as they can and I know exactly what they were talking about because when they smell the odor being so drastic because this is a very unpleasant situation you know well she said that of course their eyes were set back into the skull oh and it was a remarkable I thought it was interesting also that she said their skulls the doctor said their skull bone structure wasn't like ours it wasn't actually a bone it was probably a real heavy cartilage it it looked more or less like a newborn baby the skull was very pliable you could mash on the skull and it would you know it would give and so that the bone structure it wasn't bones not like our bones here with our skull and everything said very fine very delicate the arm bones they'd like the radio and Yeller and in the arm that it was so fine that he'd out if they could lift you know she said they died if they could anyone and at that size and the arms that that could lift 50 pounds on the earth or anywhere else you know they doubt it they had that strength but she said what the one that hadn't been mutilated to a great extent it reminded him of a real small ancient Chinese person no hair at all in a very very delicate skin in fact he said the skin would look like they could almost say to it almost transparent well the years like I think I stated to you that the years there was a couple of small orifices one on top of the year there with two little lobe flaps one over the other they didn't really know how those if they had any significance how they worked or what it wasn't I mean they didn't go into that the nose was only a couple of very small orifices holds right there just above the lip line that it had there wasn't anything covering it and it was just like two small indentations there and that was it said it was very unusual yeah the hands well there was one hand there was there was one hand that evidently that wasn't attached to the arm and she said that where she got sick and left the room was that this doctor had to long force up and pick the end up and turn it over and that's when they noticed there wasn't any thumb none of them had none of the bodies had any thumbs or anything that were just long very fine very delicate fingers no fingernails but right at the tip of each finger right at the tip of each finger it looked like there was a pad and in this bed it looked like it might have had very small little they were like little suction cups but very good suction cups the doctors that's the way he explained it that was looking at it let's say I've never I've never discussed this with any my father's only person I really ever discussed this I didn't discuss it if you knew anything never discussed it with in in my family period I never have until I met Stan Freeman two years ago it's first time I left I'd like to have a tape of mine also if you you know my you know my daughter says if you know I want a tape of this no one to keep it you know no one heard in the family yeah I would left a you know whatever if you guys feel comfortable I'd left you know we have some tapes of whatever do you know let us go take Kmart it's not there but you were asking me to to describe the arms and this was another thing that the lieutenant write out that it was that it was very the difference between theirs and ours that from the wrist to the first joint here that it was probably one and a half times longer than the top part up here it was very odd-looking it was very odd she said and the very small very small arms very small bone structure was bone structure at because I asked her about the bones because we were talking about the wrist bones and everything and she said it was very similar to ours but the bones were so small that the third bones probably wasn't in there wasn't any larger than my finger we never mentioned it never talked about the dress she said she really knew it was so sick and everything that never even entered her mind well it wasn't discussed with her it probably was but she like she said I was so ill and so horrified that that I don't you know she said she sat up all night and then she knew I was going to be real concerned knew I was going to be on what happened you know she knew that I got in trouble probably and she would true that do you know she set up and made a little notes on the back of these little prescription pads and that's but she had her notes made out and that's what we discussed particularly what she did I was really in charge of old military contracts I did all the bids and everything and really took care of all the contracts myself and that was that was one of my duties at the funeral and take care of the military you know I had a file I had a file on everything it ever happened that Walker Air Base to like Bob Hope and different some of the big orchestras and everybody'd come and have the big parties and everything and the hangars you know I attended but I would also have pictures and everything I had a personal file that I kept and I kept everything in this file that that that pertained that I attended or whatever and this is where I put the diagrams and the notes that she gave me was in my personal file rather than the Ballard funeral home sold at a later date several years later that it's old and the people that but a funeral home these were filed that they were the old files that that that they kept in the basement down in the furnace room and they had all the milk I had all the military files together in one filing cabinet everything had happened at the base and everything we also had the contract at Fort Sumner Air Base the attic lighter base there and also a fighter pilot training there and the p-47 and 50 ones and so on and so I had all the files everything was one filing cabinet was strictly all military and that's where I had all this filed away I had all this filed away I even had a newspaper that Walter Haught the headlines to know this the next day I had all that in these files well no they're some of the other files were missing though so not just my own file but my file was in the same that yeah most of most all my files my father was gone but there was also some files they had really actually had destroyed most of the files that were pertaining after certain years they just got rid of them and they told the manager funeral home that's managed their name Raymond Otero also told me that he knew my file was there Joe Lucas that was managed at that time knew my files were there and he and I'd had some personal problems and he said get ready to you know get rid of his damn files we don't anything remind us of him that's where the files went really oh well I okay this okay they attend to mortuary sauce or what okay how would what would you do if you had to ship one out and but you couldn't do anything to I mean that you couldn't you know did any treatment to you what would you do that's the only thing you could do that I would suggest that first thing if you have a problem don't want to destroying the tissue any blood cells anything that you don't want to destroy I would suggest that you contact pathologist and I said I'm sure the the Army Airfield I mean somebody's got some pathologist around I didn't know that they had one in Roswell but I said fire you I'd call the pathologist and take you know ask him what how he would like to have it down or whatever you're going to do or whatever it is you better do what the pathologist because these ones going to do the autopsy make the reports but I said the only thing I know you could do was just but go to clarity's dairy or sunset Creamery we had tea at the time and by all the driest you can and pack them in dries if that's possible and that's what I suggest that they do well okay what I suggested that the more to them which way off so I suggested this to the mortuary often when we we discussed this problem for 20 minutes are better on the telephone and I said I kept telling him hey you know if you have a problem if you got something out there if you need our services we have the contract I would be glad to come out and help you take care of it he said no this is for future kept always referring this was for future you in case we did have something that then I I said well you know first thing you'd better do you better get ahold of a pathologist I don't know whether you have one at the base I don't but I know you probably had the top pathologist you know something similar those words and I said that's what I do and you better let him give you the instructions and then you better do what he tells you to do because these ones going to do the autopsy and you know if that's if it's this sensitive you better do what he tells you but I said the only other that's suggesting I can make that you go to clarity's dairy or you go to Sunset Creamery buy all the dry ice you can and pack whatever you have whatever the problem is you better pack it and dry ice and then do whatever you have to do with it because that's the only way they tried to put it in the morgue doctor morgue they had to refrigerated body compartments that we used to put him in and then we'd go out and get the bodies from there but they always brought the airman to us but on the dependents and everything we went out for them that they weren't cold enough in the end it became so offensive they were afraid they were going to you know we're going to upset everybody in the hospital so they later moved him over to a hangar and that's less than sheen anything about him - lieutenant knew anything about him but she doesn't know how they moved it or anything about it but they were taken to a hangar because the effect that odor was so offensive they can they'd likely said it was upsetting everything she didn't know she never told me she never mentioned any no suggestion whatsoever she just said the last she heard they were in a hangar and that's all she knows and we never discussed anything else get an idea you don't need to watch the whole sure

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Reddit Comments

[u/DeSota]

Isn't it Glenn Dennis?

[u/Kuwabaraa]

Christ get the guys name right in the title, you’re gonna throw people off.

[u/AreWeThenYet]

Still one of the most chilling accounts from a witness of Roswell. He also went on to open the UFO museum in Roswell in '91.

[u/trackedonwire]

Never saw this before, thanks for bringing it. Roswell is one of those very real events from history. This interview adds life to the events.

[u/solarity52]

W. Glenn Davis? Who the heck is that? This is the mortuary guy and his name is Glenn Dennis.

[u/ExternalGazelle3]

I found his interviews compelling initially, but there were some issues with his testimony. Particularly regarding the identity/ existence of his nurse friend. There is a good summary here of the discrepancies https://roswellproof.homestead.com/Dennis.html.

I think it's possible he lied about the identity of the nurse, and embellished the bit about sending her a letter and finding out she had died, in order to hide the real identity of the nurse. But I also think it's entirely possible he made the whole thing up.

One thing that bugged me a bit about his testimony is how well he seems to remember the info the nurse gave him regarding the bodies. I'm not convinced it's plausible he could remember such detail about a drawing scrawled on a napkin. But maybe it is.

[u/UNSCChipsDubbo]

Terrible, terrible, interview. I couldn't hear the questions and I felt sorry for him, they made him across like some sort of old guy who rambles in a pub after a few drinks.

I'd like to see his interview with Stanton Friedman, though.

[u/Glanton4455]

Interesting body language. He starts with hands folded in front of him, and after a mic adjustment goes to arms crossed. Both can be generally viewed as closed, or defensive in posture. It’s not that he is untruthful, more that he doesn’t like talking about it. He’s not a showman, he’s not proud or happy to do this, he’s just a real guy who had an odd experience he’s not sure about.

[u/itglows2049]

His name is Glenn Dennis. Micah Hanks misstated his name on his podcast as well, I wonder what the discrepancy is about.