Veritas vs. Lie-Nielsen vs. Kirschen vs. Rider Chisels | Tool Duel #8

chisels very simple tools all kind of look the same they all pretty much do the same job but we're still very hesitant when it comes to buying them so in this video I'm going to talk you through a few common brands that we have here and hopefully give you a clearer understanding of what to look for when you buy a next set of chisels welcome to tools your car's gonna try and a Kimbo flip that is then that should be really dangerous roll the intro [Music] slots me I don't have every type of manufacturers chisel on this table but the things you learn this lesson you'll be able to apply to other manufacturers to help guide you through the process of buying those and I'll be listing ones that I recommend at the end of this video extending on from that I don't have Japanese chisels on this table because I've never used them before and I don't feel comfortable comparing them to all these tools I have used because it would be an unfair disadvantage to Japanese chisels so moving on from that let's get in close and see what we're looking at here so a quick overview of what we've got here Veritas Lee Neilson Axminster ryder kerschen and act mr. Ryder but they're carpentry ones so those of you who watch my video on what chisels do you need you'll know there's a bit of a red herring in here and it is these two the kerschen ones people buy these because they think they're bevel edge chisels which they're kind of right because they have bevel edges on them but they are actually firma chisels you know that by these massive flats on the side they're not great for dovetailing because of that they just end up bruising the side of tails for example so this moves on to our first point of how suitable these are for dovetailing in regards to the tapers on the bevels so starting with the Veritas this comes down to pretty much a complete point on the edge which is amazing for dovetailing when paring down to the shoulder line on the tails but the disc vise this is you can quite easily catch your finger on that and if your paring you can start putting fish gills in the side of your finger which kind of hurts but skin hardens over time so man up for luenell someone's here come down to a small flat which is about a three quarter millimeter still great for dovetail you've just got a slightly skewed the chisel on it to stop it bruising the edge of the tails these axe mr. Ryder ones because they're at the more affordable end of this spectrum they come down to about the millimeter on the edges but because of the machining isn't as precise on them sometimes it can vary so these ones here are about a millimeter on this whereas these actually mr. Ryder ones the carpentry range this one actually comes down to a finer point than the lis Neilson so you're gonna get a bit variance when you have the budget chisel sometimes they're gonna be fair sometimes they're gonna be thinner but most of the time it's pretty accurate if you have a problem with it obviously you can send it back kerschen ones like I said the flat spots on the side are not gonna make them great for dovetailing you'd have to skew it round way too much in order to get into the tails without bruising it like I said with the axe mr. carpentry ones it's going to stick around a millimeter but sometimes would be more sometimes it'll be less so next thing the Steel's on these things I'm not going to go too in depth of this because I have done a previous video link up here which compares oh one A two and PMD 11 versus uses p.m. B 11 Lee Nelson uses a 2 and Axminster Ryder & kirsh in use Oh 1 steel I'd advise you to watch that video to get a better understanding of which steel is going to work best for you next thing to look at is the handles on them the Lee meal some ones here are the odd ones out because they work solely on a socket fit so if you hit these hard enough at the edge of the table you can take that handle out and obviously replace it with your own I've secured these in place with a little bit of hairspray cause I don't like them falling out the rest of them all have a Tang in them Veritas here uses part socket and part Tang and all the Tang is is a bit of metal extending out from the blade and it's more twisting to the handle so that uses both of them and actually as a rider both of these and the kerschen ones just has a Tang that goes straight into the handle the carpentry ones here have a metal striking cap on the end so you can get a little bit more welly with a hammer with it's obviously great for carpentry in terms of handle material the lis Nielsen's the actual mr. Ryder and the kirshen ones here are all made of hornbeam they all see looks slightly different that's just the different finishes on them hornbeam is great because it's lightweight and split proof so great for chisel handles and the Veritas ones here are made from maple now you're probably looking at that and thinking well no you're just lying there that's obviously not maple yes it is it is maple that has been killed baked and this is listed on Veritas as website as sealing against humidity I have also heard from unconfirmed sources so take it with a pinch of salt but is to reduce the risk of the handle splitting maple is a wood that is able to split quite easily so using it for the handles on chisels is a risky business but like I say unconfirmed source on that not entirely sure you'll probably have to do your own research on that unfortunately and like I said accidents - rida carpentry ones here made from a plastic composite material - again perfect the site work and is obviously able to take a bit of a beating now the actual handle shape on these the Leigh Nielsen's and the axe minister Rider ones here are perfectly round the Veritas ones here are round but they have a small flat spot on them here the kerschen ones are octagonal and of sleepies carpentry ones are like an oval shape and this is a very minor difference don't take it too seriously but when you're a beginner starting off you want to be developing your muscle memory now I mention this in my video of what sauce do you need I'll put the link up here but round handles when you're developing muscle memory can be the hindrance and that's because you're able to pick up the tool in a slightly different way each time likes a very small difference this don't worry about it too much but having a handle that locks into your hand exactly the same way each time is going to get you more familiar with the tool a lot quicker and it should be a little bit more predictable to use so the flat spots on the Veritas ones here say for example you were just chopping down on this if I hold it on the two flat spots I know that it's perfectly Square to me whereas if I picked up the lis Nilsson one there's nothing locating my hand on there so that could be off a few degrees or so I have to really focus on where that blade is obviously kerschen octagonal handles on this that's gonna do the same thing to develop your muscle memory a lot better but this is why I hold my chisels down the bottom like this it's not only to be closer to the cutting action but because it helps you get more familiar and get more control from the tool so the question is which one of these is best well unfortunately this is going to be the first tool that comes back inconclusive and the reason for that is because it depends entirely on your own personal circumstances for me I use the lean Ilsan ones and there's a few factors for that firstly the a to steal suits my workflow perfectly so I like it for that secondly like I said earlier I hold my chisels down the bottom like that to get more control when using them and because this is a hornbeam handle so it's lightweight and it's also a smaller handle it means that there's less leverage in my thumb when I'm using it whereas if I went for very tests the other premium cheers or when I was using them maples a bit harder and also it's a bit longer so there's a lot more torque on my thumb when I'm holding it down the bottom here and I get a horrible cramp in this area here which obviously is not nice when you're trying to do fine detailed work so I like the lean Nielsen's over the Veritas for that but the fact these tapered down to a really fine point I really like I really think that the Leigh Neilson alone could come down a tiny bit thinner in all honesty if you're a full time would work out or you're really serious definitely look into those two you'll be happy with either of them and if you want a really decent chisel but without spending loads of money I would really recommend these act mr. Ryder ones incredibly functional to use yes the bevel edges don't come down to a really fine point and them but it's still usable you can obviously skew the blade a little bit to clean out those final corners kerschen ones despite their shininess that's usually what gets people when they look at and they think Oh shiny that must be good I'll buy that not for dovetailing these will do your absolute nothing if you try using them for that and the axe mr. carpentry ones here little story about these Ida building student come into action Minister a few months ago and he knew your chisels do all of his rough work there but the first module they did they had to make their own dovetail tool chest so he needs something that it's gonna be first tile for all of his whacking jobs and something that's gonna be really good for his fine joinery I pointed them to these because he can do exactly that he can whack the end and he can also do fine joinery Ruthven he hasn't come back yet so I'm assuming is happy with them which is all good now like I said at the start you can apply anything I've told you today to any chisel manufacturer out there the ones I would recommend you looking at our firstly blue spruce chisels because they are absolute porn when it comes to tool making so definitely look at those but on the more affordable range yet still good I would recommend looking at Ashley oils supplied by workshop heaven and also narrates chisels again supplied by workshop heaven all have great reviews all over the board just have a look you now have the knowledge available to you to make a better choice when it comes to buying your next chisel so I hope that helped and I'll see you in the next video [Music]

Channel: Matt Estlea

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Length: 8min 28sec (508 seconds)

Published: Sat Oct 28 2017