US Neoliberal Capitalist Dystopia And How Biden Can Fix It With A Pen Stroke. Richard D Wolff Joins

when it comes to the pandemic we all know that the united states has been one of the worst countries to keep its citizens healthy and safe this is of course because of the incompetence and i would argue the i don't even know if it's incompetence it's really just the pla the neoliberal plan for our country um you know in order to understand that mess we we're in we have to actually take a look at the neoliberal agenda that has this death grip on our public health care system and our economy professor richard wolff is here to discuss richard wolff marxian economist uh author and host of economic update with richard wolff which is syndicated on radio nationwide the new book which i am holding in my very hot little hands is the sickness is the system when capitalism fails to save us from pandemics or itself it's available now so get out there you don't want to miss this it's so important for context um professor well thanks for joining us today my pleasure juliana really i enjoy these conversations very much me too thank you so much can you give viewers in a nutshell the nutshell of neoliberal the agenda there and how it has failed to address the coronavirus pandemics sure uh first the word neoliberal because it confuses a lot of people and they're right to be confused it's a strange use of language in the united states liberal has always meant sort of left of center more or less but the word liberal was important in politics in england before it ever came to the united states and the confusing part is in england it means pretty much the opposite it means right of center the word liberal has always meant in economic language and in political language in england uh somebody who believes that the economy is best left to itself that the government and political concerns should be kept away from the government uh the first way it was articulated was around a french phrase called laissez-faire which means let it be the government's attitude to the economy should be let it be the flip side of this view is that capitalism is such a wonderful system that leave it alone don't try to improve it don't try to regulate it don't try to make it work for people it's best left alone it will be the best for everybody if you just don't interfere with it in modern times this is associated with a resurgence of this old liberal idea with margaret thatcher in england and with ronald reagan here in the united states so roughly around 1980 we have a change in the view before that we had had the view that we need the government after the great crash of the 1930s the government was seen as making the economy work better if you left it to capitalism well they crashed in 1929 and nobody wanted that again this lasted roughly from the 1930s uh to the 1970s and then that policy was overthrown that's what it meant that thatcher became the prime minister in england and ronald reagan uh the president here and it was then the view that the opposite was the truth that the government was not what came in and saved capitalism from itself but the reverse that the best way to have economic prosperity and growth was to get the government out of running the economy shaping the economy regulating the economy taxing people all of that was bad we were told and the government if you got the government out well then the economy would soar and we'd all be in great shape and the neoliberal agenda as you rightly call it was the policies pushed very hard by the republican party here in the united states since the 1970s if not sooner uh but it also won over a disconcerting amount of the democratic party that went along with it in the 80s 90s the early years of this century politicians on both sides of the aisle felt they had to go along with this part of it was also globalization the idea that if private capitalists wanted to go to another country we should be all for it because that's a private profit decision and that's the way we want the economy to go so even as we watch in the 80s 90s huge numbers of jobs leave the united states because capitalist employers found it profitable to move to china or india or brazil nobody was allowed to make a criticism that was one of the ways mr trump surprised everybody including himself by getting elected because he stood up and said no this isn't right i'm gonna do something else now he isn't strong enough he couldn't he hasn't but the idea that he might made a lot of people feel that he's more interested in our actual suffering than the people who are gung-ho cheerleaders for neo-liberalism uh professor wolf the the question i have is that you know these private enterprises basic so basically it's the drowning of the government in the bathtub that's what they say all right that's what they said i put a little tweet out today that was like well they're all drowning now in their own covent related lung infections you know this is kind of scary to even have no government even though the government we have is is uh it's terrifying uh are private enterprises just waiting for you know their what are the the response the neoliberal response to the pandemic how has it failed to address the pandemic well i i think there are two ways to get at this the first one is to see that if you have a private profit driven capitalism which we do then what you get are the results of what capitalists calculate is profitable for them to do and not to do so let's start with something as simple as a mask okay we know enough about viruses we've had them in this country virus has been a part of human life from the beginning for thousands of years we know we know that viruses periodically hurt people and you have to be ready and viruses are very often spread by uh you know our mouths and our breathing and all of that and so masks are something you need okay we have factories in america that can make masks we have companies that can make masks but the reality is they didn't do it we didn't have hundreds of millions of masks stored around the country where people are and need them we didn't why not because it wasn't profitable and that's that's the way our system works i just spent twenty five dollars on two child freaking like child's masks how how was it not profitable is that question i have it's not profitable because if you're a private company and imagine now it's not the virus hasn't come yet you're a private company you have to make the masks and then you have to store the masks in a warehouse and you have to have warehouses all over the country where the populations are our cities our most populated states etc etc and then in the rural areas as well and they have to sit in this warehouse and when you sit in a warehouse things can get dirty and they would have to be cleaned and things can wear out and they'd have to be replaced and you'd have to monitor it and you'd have to make sure they're secure this is very expensive and when would you sell the mask the answer is you might have to wait 10 20 years until the next virus that that's too risky that's not profitable that the costs there overwhelm what you could likely sell the mask for so the private capitalist system didn't produce an adequate number of masks or gloves or ventilators or icu units in hospitals or hospital bed you get the picture it wasn't profitable from which you have to unless you're crazy draw the logical conclusion that if public health is an important issue and i don't know of a human society where it isn't so if if public health is an important issue capitalism isn't the way to get it because capitalism isn't going to produce those things because it isn't profitable to produce them and store them and all the rest of it so what has to happen if you're honest the government has to come in and say we have to compensate for the failure of private capitalist enterprises to do what we know our public health requires and then the government here's what it does it comes in it says to the mask company we the government will buy the masks as fast as they come off the assembly line and we'll give you a very nice price that will allow you to earn a very nice profit and all the risk of storing it and locating it and cleaning it and replacing the government the taxpayer we will pick it up that's what the government could do if it were honest but in our society where we are neo-liberally crazy we're not allowed to say that capitalism failed and the government is coming in to compensate but the government does do this with machines of war right they continue to stockpile machines that aren't being used and then they go make a war exactly that and i love to use that example because it shows that the government knows exactly what it would need to do because it's not profitable for companies to make missiles or planes or tanks or guns or any of the paraphernalia of war for the same reason you have to produce them then you have to stick them in a warehouse somewhere then you have to monitor and clean them and repair them and all the and that doesn't pay for the same reason you may have to do it for years till the next war comes along so what does the government do exactly what i just said it didn't do for public health it buys the missiles as fast as they come off the assembly line and then at government expense it stores it and monitors and cleans it and all the rest why does this happen because the defense producers have worked out a very cozy relationship with the government it's called the military industrial complex the government comes in and buys whatever those fellows produce they make their money they make their fat profits the government keeps revolutionizing uh more modern and faster airplanes and all the rest so it's an endless replacement of the old munitions with newman wonderful setup we all pay for it well then the question would be why doesn't the same thing happen with uh medical why and the answer is it's wonderful it's capitalism again because the medical profession worked a different kind of deal and the deal for the medical profession is to keep the government out of their business whereas with the defense producers the government was right in their business the medical we all know because that's what the obamacare and all the rest is about the doctors the hospitals the drug and device makers and the insurance health insurance companies they don't want the government anywhere near them because they've got the biggest scam going in the western world the united states spends 18 percent of our gdp on health care no other country in the world does that countries with much better health statistics they live longer than us they go to the hospital less often uh babies that are born have a better chance of making it to the end of the first year the fifth year or better outcomes and way less money than we get so they don't the the medical people they don't want the government anywhere there near them so the government can't come in and do in medical what it does in military and so we're all stuck with a country unprepared to deal with this virus we are i mean here's a statistic that dwarfs everything else the united states has four and a half percent of the world's people and 25 of the world's coveted cases and coded deaths okay so that actually gets to a point here we've got a lot of we've got seven million i think at this point or a seven somewhere between seven and eight million cases all cases pretty much all cases require some kind of treatment whether it's hospitalization or just buying you know whatever some whatever some drugs to make you feel better you know at home are private enterprises just waiting for it to get worse so that the demand for ppe and products will get higher there's like a there's a cost you know there's how much is the cost of the sickness how many people have to die before private enterprises say oh this is profitable let's get in on this well i can give you an example of what some private profit driven enterprises have done the centers for disease control the food and drug administration they have been sending out more and more warnings and i'll give you an example and this is important for your audience to know there are dozens that's what they tell us dozens of toxic hand sanitizers being sold in stores across the united states here's a chance for a quick buck people are scared they're desperate they they stop in the store and there's on on the display case uh hand sanitizer claiming this will keep you safe from the dread virus in this hand sanitizer one of the uh items used to make them methanol and the fda particularly points out that methadol is very dangerous and that according to them 17 americans have already died from using the toxic well that was just released this last week it's an awful example that the profit motive which we are supposed to celebrate in neoliberal dogma is as often the cause of horrific outcomes like being unprepared for this virus and now hurting ourselves as profit-driven capitalists rush to the market things like toxic hand sanitizers and even with the fda finding out about it it's a whole another matter lasting months to get to identify those companies to stop them from making it to to drag back the product already distributed to the stores this is an awful chaotic mess of a system that simply isn't working we're speaking with professor richard wolff author of the new book the sickness is the system when capitalism fails to save us from pandemics or itself out now you can go to democracy at work in order to get yourself or your family members a copy the holidays are coming up um you're watching act tv please subscribe if you like this kind of talk professor wolf if uh how has let's just turning a little bit here how has neo-liberalism failed to address the economic fallout that we're now living through uh because of the pandemic well again like the best way to get this across is to give you an example in almost all the countries of europe and certainly in all the major ones like uh germany and france and britain and italy and spain um they reacted to the virus and to the global crash of capitalism in a very different way from the united states they said that they want all the resources of their society public and private to be mobilized in a coordinated way to fight this danger both the viral danger and the economic danger and one of the decisions they all made very important was a decision that the government should help businesses but on one fundamental condition the government will help the businesses and the businesses will not fire their workers let me stress that the rate of unemployment in italy today is less than it was a year ago that is the great pandemic which hurt italy was not allowed to worsen their unemployment in fact the opposite in march when the pandemic hit unemployment in germany was five percent today at six percent they did not allow what no neither of those countries none of them allowed to have happened what happened here we have had over 50 million americans a third of our workforce has had to go file unemployment compensation documents to get covered some for a few weeks some for months having to be covered what this does is unspeakably cruel and stupid first cruel not only do you run the risk of getting sick with this pandemic and you now run the risk of uh losing your income but now we have a new one you don't have a job you're unemployed you don't know whether that job you had will be there when the this is over or even if it is there under what conditions you've added a whole new layer of anxiety and uncertainty to the lives of people already pressed by a pandemic and by an economy that's in shambles unspeakable cruelty you didn't have that in europe the government said we will help you the business pay your payroll you keep your workers working you don't fire you don't have 50 million unemployed and you know why they didn't have it in europe there's a real lesson for us they didn't have it in europe and they didn't have it from conservative governments and they didn't have it from left-wing governments and they have both in europe but neither of them did this and the reason is they all know what would have happened if they had fired 50 million those millions of people would have not gone to work they would have gone into the streets and those economies would have come to a dead stop because no deliveries no trucks in and out no food no nobody showing up to work their stock exchange nothing nothing and and you think a virus hurts the economy it's got nothing on on the mass of people saying no and that could threaten the whole economic system and they don't go there they don't do it it's out of the question professor professor united in the united states the labor movement and the left are relatively weaker than in europe and so a government could get rid of it not only did the government do it but this has to be said the labor movement where is the afl-cio where are the mass demonstrations saying to the government you can find solutions that's your job but you can't find solutions for your failure to prepare for a virus and make the solution throwing 50 million people out of work i mean it's it's beyond tolerability professor wolf didn't um the uh didn't our government give a bunch of money to like the airline industry and all of that was that with no caveat that they would not fire their workers because now they're fire now my understanding is they're having a big fight about firing them and sarah nelson is uh working hard to make that not happen could you so our government gave the money to the corporations but without the caveat well basically a little bit of both most workers were just not covered by any caveat by any agreement their employer got money got to see them through the hard times and the workers were laid off so basically that money went to paying the rent that's right so it was a money laundering scheme right to the banks right right to the banks had to pay their rent and the businesses had to pay off the loans that they had taken out uh they could keep on a skeleton staff staff they could pay their executives they could many of them continue to pay out dividends i mean the most amazing thing was allowed but there were a few examples and that's why i think people are confused there were a few cases where there was a quid pro quo and the airlines was one of those money given to the airlines which was huge and remember this was money given to airlines who had not done a really good job uh recently as you know with the 737 and the crashes and everything so there was a lot of question my god why are we bailing out an industry that failed us but in any case they got it they got about 25 billion dollars and it did have a caveat you can't you have to agree not to lay anybody off i believe it was until september 1st or september 31st which is why you didn't have the layoffs in the airline industry but it was unusual in this country where it because they have a union is that right they have a union what kind of leverage do people have if they don't have a job if there's very few jobs available and you're in the union what what kind of leverage does a union have at this point when they're basically just firing everyone not very much and that the hope that they might have the leverage they might have they are blocked from by ideology from using their leverage is the degree of suffering in this country if the labor movement were to come out of its i'm trying to be polite here hibernation and become an active force they would become the leader of the of the mass of people the way they once were back in the 30s when they did that kind of thing so a general strike is basically what we need because we would need workers who are still employed to stand up and say i'm not going in unless these people also uh get paid i'm not working people the the the families the people who do home care the people who take care of the elderly the people in all the industries that are not unionized they should be appealed to because they're being hurt in this situation even worse than the union members but if the union members who are relatively less hurt than the non-union members were to take the leadership then they would see what we saw in the 1930s when the unions did step up and suddenly millions of people joined unions it was the greatest unionization drive in american history we never had anything like it before and we've never had anything like it since but we're now in a depression-like situation and the unions instead of stepping up the way they did in the 1930s are like mouse like you know church might say you don't hear them you don't see them it's it is amazing and i can just kind of are like can we get a little bit better insurance to their own uh employer as opposed to fighting you know the big fight and i suspect they're they're very upset that many of their members uh are interested in trump they may not like it they may not want it but it is the case ah and you know the democrats the democrats have to accept responsibility for a good part of this papers they went yeah they took corporate money they went on vacation they went to look for the big bucks from the big corporate donors and they gave up their role which they once had as the kind of leader of the of those from the bottom the working class and all of that uh and that left an awful lot of workers who used to be or their parents used to be active union democratic party stalwarts feeling betrayed there's no nice way to say this and voting for trump not because they believe in the the theatrics that that guy puts out but almost as a statement of their anger and bitterness that they were forgotten that the republicans and the democrats just sold them down the river that their incomes are shrinking their job opportunities are shrinking they're angry and it's a shame that it gets shunted over into issues of white supremacy and all of that because that's not where it really comes from the white supremacy has always been used to siphon off the anger of the white working class to be angry at other workers with different skin color rather than at the system and the bosses that are their real problem so basically this neoliberal ideology says uh we can give you this money airlines and other industries but there will be no um there will be no regulations lack of regulations on corporations is one of the basic tenets right of neoliberalism let's remember when you when you hear that the government is bailing out businesses here's what it means in real english the government is giving the board of directors of a corporation a lot of money it is now that board of directors usually 15 people who will decide what to do with that money you're not giving it to the 10 000 employees of that company who have exactly nothing to say about where the tax money that they helped to send to the government what is going to be done with it oh no in capitalism the decision is made so they can decide we'll fire 10 000 workers meanwhile will keep us the ceo and the cfo and the cio and all of the we're going to keep us in a very nice desk with a very nice chauffeured car with a very nice pay package and we needed to be there for the interim but we don't need 20 secretaries and we don't need 50 workers it's very very undemocratic the politicians are giving money to the employers if you put all the employers together it's not three percent of the american people the vast majority of us are employees an honest democratic system would help us because we're the majority and give us to say how do we best use this money but we don't do that we give it to the same corporate leaders whose decisions got us into this mess as if they were the best people to get us out once you think about it it does not make this is the behavior of a system in deep do do what what are the most effective and executable things an administration could do to put the brakes on the economic fallout from the pandemic and are other countries doing these yes here's the i'll give you an example if biden puts you on his administration what are you going to tell them to do is what i want to know here well my first response is do not wager much money on such an outcome you will lose the money uh okay um here's what the first and easiest thing that comes to mind if you're going to fire over 50 million people which we've done uh with depending on how you count 20 to 30 million people unemployed as we speak now uh that is craziness if you're giving them a little extra money that's nice for them but it's still crazy why because what those people want and need is a regular job that is secure and that pays a proper income and that's what we need as a society too imagine what we could do if we took the 20 million and that's a low ball estimate the 20 million of unemployed today and we said now what was said in the 1930s in this country we will immediately give you a governmental job how about the green new deal we've got that right that's right there we can all kick it off first thing test everybody in america do what other countries have done that are managing this crisis better train one million of those people to go out and test the other 300 million in this country on a continuing basis so we know where the disease is who needs to be treated who can safely go where i mean that's such an immediate thing that we could do on january 21st 12 a million jobs all of a sudden right the people doing the testing would have a good job the people being tested would have a a worry taken off of their i mean and then the next thing is reconfigure the schools the biggest problem right now is the school okay every movie theater is a potential classroom the movie theater is sitting there empty now for six months out of business regal just right so those auditoriums should have been available so students could be placed you know a good six or seven feet from one another you could have some of these unemployed people be the monitors to make sure that we come on we know what has to be done then there's the green new deal then there's taking care of the old people whom we are now crowding into the nursing homes of this country where they are dying like flies from this disease i mean i don't want to be mean-spirited but for those folks who take seriously judeo-christian muslim or any other religious traditions that emphasize ethics how do you look at yourself in the morning allowing yourself to be part of a society that is so cold and indifferent to what could be changed if you only gave those unemployed people the money look we're giving three quarters of that money to them without working give them another quarter which they want and get back from them all that their brains and muscles and creativity can allow them to get they also want people don't want to sit home they want to get out absolutely so everybody wants it but somehow the way our system works it's not doing what we can all see ought to be done that's when you say goodbye to an economic system so it's like having a refrigerator that for the umpteenth time has conked out on you just as people were arriving for the dinner party that you had fed up right your worst nightmare that's what we have we have an economic system like the busted refrigerator and if you call the repair guy he'll come to your house and he'll say it'll be another 200 but i'm telling you lady don't do it it's time to get you know that's it's time to get a new economic system professor wolf you gave us um one thing that we could do immediately would be a jobs program that's one of the first things other any other things that other countries are doing or that you think would be you know because we want to be able to pressure hopefully our new president to do something like these things and we need to know what these things are so if you if you have other ideas we would love to hear them yes one of the things that captures the creativity of the unemployed around the world has been taken care of in many countries and could be done here i'm going to use the example from italy which in many ways is the most advanced in this area back in 1985 they passed a law in italy that had a remarkable quality uh here's the law if you become unemployed in italy by the way it's still the law in italy that's why it's important if you become unemployed in italy for any reason you have two choices number one you can get a weekly unemployment check like we do here in the united states but you have a second option you can choose if you have at least nine other unemployed people making the same choice with you the government will give you the full year or two worth of unemployment payments right now as a lump sum to each of the 10 of you minimum 10. on one condition you use that money to start and operate a worker cooperative business the idea of the government is that's a way better way for you to use the next year than to pick up a check once a week how many of these are there out there like what's this is very exciting to me there's a whole bunch it it really is it's um right now that you know it's a secret i mean it's a way to it's okay it's a way to stabilize the economy right to have people and unemployed people are now told you have your fate in your hands you have a bunch of money there's a group of you if you fail you can't come back and collect unemployment because you've already gotten it but we we want you to develop a worker co-op sector of the italian economy so the people of italy have a real free choice they can choose between working in a worker co-op or a regular top-down capitalist enterprise they can shop from one they can shop from the other you give people the choice of what kind of economic system they want we don't have that in the united states because we don't have a sector like that and if you want to see how powerful it can become the best place to go in italy is the province of immediate romania around the bologna in the north that economy that regional economy had 40 percent of all businesses in emilia romagna are working co-ops and then and they fight for it they've had it that way for decades they had a strong union organization there right because then they fought for it because they had a lot of um people treated terribly in italy the unions took the lead the union said we want this we think it would be even better for workers if they had not an adversarial relationship with an employer the way capitalism works but rather the workers themselves ran the enterprise they would take much better care of themselves than any employer would ever do and i thought it was logical for the unions to be allied with the worker co-ops by the way in america in that system wouldn't it force likely people in capitalistic uh endeavors to be better to their workers so that workers would also choose to work there exactly it would force that kind of competitiveness and you know in in the 19th century in the united states workers co-ops and unions work together too because they're logical allies that alliance has been broken in the united states during the cold war like so many things that were progressive were undone but that's not a reason why they can't be renewed they can't be revived you can't look at examples like italy and not learn from them which we ought to be doing does this could he do this by uh you know stroke of a pen executive order absolutely he could do that by the way here's something i learned a few years ago in a number of states uh worker co-ops were so popular in the 19th century that laws were put on the books which are still in the books giving special preferences to worker co-ops to help them get going a tax holiday better tax treatment so yes the laws are already in place to allow worker co-ops what we need is for folks to understand that is the new direction out of the mess that capitalism has made that is a better system you're going to get better results if you let the people look let me give it to you as a slogan if you want the economy to serve the people you got to put the people in charge we don't do that we put a tiny group of employers in charge and then we seem to be amazed that they run the businesses of this country for themselves and not for us right solution get rid of them and run it ourselves so this is good these are two things that a new administration or any administration who'd be amenable to this could do jobs program right off the bat right um that could also be a jobs program focused on testing and and helping out to to to ease the coronavirus um worker co-ops by the stroke of a pen could be supported and created etc any any other thing you would suggest just giving biden something to do in january yeah there would be two uh one would be that all of those green new deals the infrastructure the the need to to deal with the mess we've made of our uh environment give these unemployed people the kind of work by the way some of the first uh environmental programs ever done in the united states were done by something called the civilian conservation corps in the 1930s that was unemployed people hired given a federal job to start clearing swamps and redirecting rivers so that we could preserve the water etc etc so we know how to do all of this just get to work and do it and then there are a couple other things we have industries that we allow to be governed by the profit motive that we we shouldn't health care is one and food is another we ought to change the system food the food we put into our bodies every day is simply too important a part of public health to be allowed to be governed by profit we are the world's worst obesity country we have the worst diabetes the worst high blood pressure and we know that a major part of that is the diet and yet we continue to allow profit makers to flood the economy with sugar fat and salt in absurd quantities where we lead the world again i mean this should be changed and the government is the logical place to produce a proper food system and by that i mean not just healthier but we are now having basically a two class system if you have the money you go and you buy organic and you pay a pretty penny for it and if you can't afford it if you're one of the mass of the people you go back to your normal supermarket wondering what pesticides herbicides uh chemicals are in the food you this is this is outrageous that we are doing this if organic food is better for you it should be the diet basically or at least available to everybody not according to how much money you have but in the same way that we make a public park available to everybody or a water fountain in that park is available to everybody and we can safely drink from it because we know it has been treated properly blah blah blah these are things that that employed unemployed federal job program could do these things and transform this country for all of us in ways that would make life here much much better professor wolf uh i would like to get your comments and then move into our talk our quick talk about the debate tonight um your thoughts about the fact that president trump sends out a tweet saying we're not going to help the people until act after the election and also we're not going to help the corporations until the act after the election and the stock market uh dives 600 points your thoughts just just i'm just going to open it up your thoughts about the system that we're in that allows such instability okay but i realized i have another engagement that i had at 11 o'clock my apologies i'm sorry no no it's my fault i should have clarified that but let me quickly well we've been go we've had a lot to talk about today but yeah go ahead and we can do it again soon very quickly um it is outrageous it is outrageous he's holding hostage uh what millions of people need desperately for an election advantage it's awful it's just unspeakably awful he doesn't want to fund the cities and towns of america that's why he's playing these games and he believes in this kind of political hardball if you starve the city's towns it'll destroy the american economy it's it's a short-run policy but i think he realizes short run is the only one for him at this point he's got to get that election or else nothing else is possible professor richard wolff thank you so much for joining us today i'm sorry we didn't get a chance to get to those final questions but uh we will do it the next time the system is excuse me the sickness is the system when capitalism fails to save us from pandemics or itself uh the questions will be answered in this book so i encourage everyone to go to democracy at work and get it thank you so much uh professor wolf we appreciate it so much thank you juliana until the next time you're watching act tv if you are watching us on youtube don't forget to subscribe hit like i'm sad that we didn't get to those last questions but we did get a lot of stuff out on the table i guess um some of the questions that i had had for professor wolf were in the vice presidential debate tonight what words are we listening for when they're talking about neoliberalism i understand it's trickle down austerity balanced budget um i'm sure there are others and what are the opposite words we can listen for you know just any kind of buzzwords to talk about the opposite of neoliberal policies i'd understand it's you know grassroots up it would be jobs program it would obviously be um work or co-ops which i doubt we're going to hear anything about tonight uh but you never know thank you so much for watching again i'm julianna forlano you can follow me personally on twitter i'll be tweeting the debate tonight uh you can also tomorrow we have josh holland and james from the internet james from ag tv coming on the program to uh do a debate takedown hopefully it'll be equally as entertaining as the last one was but for different reasons follow activity across platforms thanks for watching we are out of here for today have a good one

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