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foreign this is Pascal from neutrality studies and yesterday my dear friends from Austria uploaded a video interview that they did live in Austria and Vienna with Jeffrey Sachs and it is part of this big peace conference that was organized there was done in conjunction with my colleague Fritz edlinger who is the chief the editor-in-chief of the Austrian magazine International a wonderful magazine if you read German I highly recommend subscribing to them and also subscribe to their YouTube channel they do a fantastic job the interview with Dr sax was done by my friend and colleague with whom I've published books together and articles Dr Professor Heinz gertner and I would just recommend you watch this one hour long discussion between the two and all the explanation that Jeffrey sax gives he's a fantastic speaker and he views World politics and USB politics very very clearly please enjoy so I wrote Professor sax we have several explanations here out there so starting from Putin's personality to Imperial Conquest to more structural explanations like hegemonic competition so we have this range of explanations of where would you stand is it personality is it imperialism uh is it more hegemonic competition of cake bar competition as we said so that's the first question great thank you very much and I'm told to be very brief so that we can discuss a lot so I'll give a somewhat brief answers because if I get going it's going to be a long evening for you um I believe the war started nine years ago not last year I think it started in February 2014. it started with the violent overthrow of President Yanukovych which I attribute to a significant extent to U.S participation in the regime change operation in Ukraine and to my mind that really was the trigger of this war meaning that we are basically seeing a uh a proxy war between the United States and Russia Plus both sides of uh playing on the very aggravated ethnic divisions within Ukraine so Ukraine is a divided country ethnically historically but that meant that there was competition between the United States and Russia for control for influence even for putting military bases and the U.S NATO alliance and I view the lack of Prudence by both sides but since I'm an American I will focus on the lack of American Prudence as being absolutely Central to this if the United States had sense and by the United States I don't mean the American people they're never asked about any of these things this has nothing to do with the American people this is to do with this small group in Washington in power uh you could call it the military industrial complex it's a fair name for it I they don't have prudence and we are at War because of that lack of prudence in my view I don't think anything specific about Putin's personality plays any important role in this I don't think that this is some idea of recreating the Russian Empire by the way we hear lots of things in the mainstream media which to my mind are completely unrecognizable uh regarding the truth and just one more small point I was advisor economic advisor to President Gorbachev I was economic advisor to president Yeltsin and I was an economic advisor to president kuchma the first president of Independent Ukraine I didn't choose sides I like them both there's no reason why this war needed to happen but I'll Focus because of being an American on the lack of sense of the military-industrial complex in the United States and I think that that was a major major cause of this war you said personality doesn't really blade at all or so you mentioned NATO and probably as a structural courses and such harmonic competition and of course uh Russia's perception is that Asha wanted to wall off NATO so he was not really successful because now NATO is everywhere so NATO Finland and Sweden are joining NATO and uh NATO tropes are permanently deployed in Poland and the politic States right now we have a huge military Nato military maneuver in Germany and also Putin wanted to demilitarize Ukraine and now Ukraine is the most militarized country in Europe was Putin's decision a big geopolitical plunder well it's a big geopolitical tragedy uh what happens from now Still Remains to be seen and let me be clear about the NATO issues it's my uh well it's it's without doubt uh the American plan to expand NATO to Ukraine uh already in the mid-1990s well before there was Putin as president it is my understanding from a discussion with one of our leading historians recently that the plan to expand NATO to Ukraine was made in 1992. basically within weeks or months of having promised uh Gorbachev that NATO would not move one inch Eastward so this is not something new it's not something about Putin it's something that predates Putin there's a fascinating article by spignal burjinski in foreign affairs magazine which is our establishment foreign policy magazine in 1997 where he spells out the timeline to Nato enlargement to Central Europe Eastern Europe the Baltic states and Ukraine almost precisely in 1997 because this was a U.S plan at the top levels when an article was written like that that's not just an opinion of an author that's informing the elite opinion in the United States what the real plan is so this was in the works for decades and the specific idea about NATO spelled out by Brzezinski both in foreign affairs and in a book called the global chess board that he wrote In 1997. is to surround Russia in the Black Sea region I this is out of the Playbook of Britain and France in 1853 to 1856 it's almost reliving the Crimean War the idea of the Crimean War was that Palmerston wanted to kick Russia Out of the Black Sea Brzezinski had a similar idea in the mid-1990s the U.S neoconservatives had a similar idea back to 1992 if Ukraine and Georgia become NATO members then if you look at the map you see that Russia is surrounded by Ukraine Romania Bulgaria turkey and Georgia even the idea of expanding NATO to Georgia to me is the giveaway last time I checked Georgia is not a North Atlantic country it's in the caucuses what in Heaven's name is NATO doing in Georgia this is where things really went awry it is official U.S Doctrine it's surprisingly official by the way because you can find it in many many documents that the U.S goal is to be the dominant power in all parts of the world to my mind no thanks that doesn't make me feel any safer it just means endless Wars when 4.1 percent of the world population presumes that it's going to dominate the world but this I believe was part of U.S foreign policy at the core already for decades and NATO enlargement is part of this there's something particular about Ukraine it is 2 000 kilometers of order with Russia it is from Russia's point of view a direct security risk to Russia I would take the same view as a Russian and I would take the same view as an American vis-a-vis Russia I actually don't want Mexico to have a military alliance with China I don't want Mexico to have a military alliance with Russia and I don't want the United States to have a military alliance with Ukraine for the same reasons it doesn't make the world safer if NATO expansion was one of the main causes for the decision by Russia to invade Ukraine because of course of the fear that it might be a similar situation as we had to the Cuban Missile Crisis in 62 that NATO missiles would be deployed there uh however there have been several proposals since 2008 that was the Bucharest Summit when uh NATO promised Ukraine and Georgia will become NATO members but not later than 2014 for a neutrality of Ukraine so not directly defined no NATO membership but at the same time the withdrawal of Russian supported militias uh in uh in the East so could have a neutral Ukraine avoided the the war why was it discarded of course since 2019 we know that Ukraine has the NATO membership in its constitutions before 2008 there was some frozen back Independence neutrality NATO membership but not later than 2005 NATO membership was an aspiration by Ukraine so if Ukraine would have defended uh or presented a credible neutrality could if there were have been avoided of course it could have and Austria's history is a glorious demonstration of the success of neutrality Austria was not threatened in the years from 1955 onward by being a non-nato neutral country Austria regained its sovereignty and the Soviet Union went home and incidentally the Soviet Union went home in 1955 because Not only was the state treaty signed in the Belvedere agreed and the neutrality declared by the parliament of this country but also the Soviet Union was saying to the United States do this for Germany and the cold war ends make Germany neutral what is this NATO business this is a threat to us Germany claimed 20 million lives of our citizens why are you rearming Germany and our greatest Statesman practitioner of the day one of our great historian diplomats in modern history George Cannon said at that moment use the Austrian example have a neutral Germany and tell the Soviet Union go home out of Central Europe out of Eastern Europe now you don't need that buffer zone because Germany is neutral the United States would have nothing of it the United States has never believed in it you were lucky they weren't paying attention but for Germany no way we were going to have NATO the end of the 1950s Eisenhower even said give nuclear weapons that's okay and that is why in a series of horrible events we nearly arrived at nuclear Armageddon with the Cuban Missile Crisis the United States has a very hard time thinking Through The Eyes of anyone else and when I say U.S I I'm meaning literally a small group of a few hundred people and not speaking about the American people they're not told anything about this and just as a footnote I've tried to explain the role of NATO in this uh to the New York Times and they will not print anything on this they've written 26 editorials since February 24 2022 that this is an unprovoked War I called them I wrote to them I said I've advised all these leaders these countries I've been through this for three decades can you give me 700 words the answer is no there's a complete unwillingness to have any discussion about this because if you do you're put on Ukraine's Blacklist and you're put on America's no show list in the mainstream media it's really quite something uh one more thing we're worth worth everybody understanding this is not about Democrats and Republicans this is not at all about partisan politics Biden is no different from so many other presidents it's not this one's crazy this one's not crazy they're all a little bit um but I this is about really State policy in the deepest structure in Washington and it's the armed services committees it's the very 900 billion dollar military budgets you have to test your weapons believe me you need Wars uh not so infrequently you have to be ready you have to teach China lesson in the in the minds of this small group this war is as much about China as it is about anything else isn't that surprising it's hard to think the way they think but you cannot actually discuss this in the United States right now in the mainstream of course there are a thousand Outlets to discuss things but not in the Washington Post the New York Times The Wall Street Journal MSNBC CNN forget it let's um to a step refers that you mentioned Austria and compared it to Germany Austria was lucky maybe Poland as you say to get its permanent neutrality Germany was permanently divided if used so it's a several decades so we know this from history that was and by the armies stand so and then you always have a division of territory so we know this from the end of the Cold War in in Tehran 1943 they decided to build the blocks where basically the armies after the second world war were deployed now we have a situation in a little bit and sort of Iron Curtain a little bit more East so we have an argon curtain from the arctis uh Finland Sweden is joining NATO and his Iron Curtain is going right through Ukraine down to the Black Sea do you see for Ukraine now a permanent division light for Germany or for Korea or do we see a permanent War since I guess permanent neutrality is not the option anymore for Ukraine I would say we don't know uh what the options are because there has been no diplomacy between the United States and Russia since this War began as far as I know President Biden and President Putin have not spoken one time since February 24 2022. I find that worse than school children by the way it's hard for me to understand how the world can be at the brink of nuclear war and I could send them a link if they want so they could get on Zoom I could even give them a phone call I'd lend them my phone it's not so hard but they don't talk this is somehow sophisticated this is absolutely mind-boggling of course you need to talk you need to understand the other side maybe you won't agree more likely you'll find at modus vivendi or modus operandi to get Beyond this it could be in the end many things could be so I don't have a prediction Ukraine could be divided we could have nuclear war we could have Ukraine be neutral and Russia go home from most of Ukraine though I don't think it's going to leave Crimea for a lot of reasons now but lots of things could happen we should understand that in December 2021 the idea that Russia would on Annex the donbas wasn't mentioned once what Russia wanted was that the Minsk II agreements would be honored now that's quite interesting the men's two agreements declared that there would be autonomy for the uh lubansken Donetsk for Eastern Ukraine the Russian dominant ethnic group signed by Ukraine and voted 15 to nothing by the U.N security Council and guaranteed by France and Germany you know what my Ukrainian friends well they're not they don't regard me as a friend anymore but what they tell me of course we'd never honor that as if it's a joke and then when Russia says well this was not honored we say ah what difference Russia doesn't believe in diplomacy and now the sentence that I just uttered proves that I'm a Putin lover you know in other words we're in a cycle of bizarre arguments the truth is actually rather straightforward the United States participated in the overthrow of Yanukovych a rusophobic government came to power they immediately declared the intention immediately means Within 2014 to join NATO arms shipments from the United States accelerated the Minsk agreements were signed the Ukrainian government ignored them Chancellor Merkel explained afterwards she explained to us last year that she ignored them completely in 2021 December 17 President Putin put on the table a draft U.S Russia security agreement which had two major points that Putin was emphasizing one is that the Minsk agreement should be carried out and the second was that NATO would not enlarge and the United States said we we don't negotiate with you over those things and it's NATO Doctrine what we do is no third country's business as if [Music] Castro said what business is it of you United States just before we invaded in the Bay of Pigs and also nearly had the world blown up over the Cuban Missile Crisis if the tables are turned just a little bit believe me the explosion that you would hear of any of the claims that the United States makes so that kind of hypocrisy and arrogance also is very grading on most of the rest of the world we make Wars when we want we can invade Afghanistan we can invade Iraq we can try to overthrow Assad and have no doubt that was not a civil war that was a U.S regime change operation signed by the president of the United States to the CIA called operation Timber Sycamore we can overthrow Gaddafi with the NATO in the end of 2011 we can overthrow Yanukovych we can do what we want why are you complaining we are a peace loving defensive Alliance and so this doesn't work and this is why we don't know what can happen because I keep claiming I'll claim it again President Biden did what a U.S president should do first picked up the phone or hit the zoom button and talk to his counterpart and said you go home and we won't fill in the void with NATO lots of good things could happen so I don't rule out anything but it takes two to make a negotiation incidentally one more point Sorry to run on in March 2022 Russia and Ukraine negotiated an end to the war did you know that they negotiated what happened what happened excuse me no that's not what happened okay may or may not have happened but that's not what happened at the negotiating table what happened at the negotiating table was the United States told them don't negotiate that's what the United States told them this is now from multiple directions clear and if you want to hear a very interesting description of this that shows how bizarre this is naftali Bennett who was then prime minister of Israel and an informal mediator said we were in the seventh draft and they were just about reaching an agreement and then the United States stopped it and he said I don't think they should have stopped it but they thought it was important about China are you kidding it takes a certain imagination to think that way but that's what happened and I've heard that from all sides so this is really not beyond our reach to have a negotiated outcome to this not at all beyond our reach a little bit on this on the one hand you're saying all options are possible so you don't know what uh you're saying no the problem diplomacy does not really work now anymore so what are the real entry sites here so Carlos he said and War always pushes to the extremes unless there is a peace agreement or a total defeat of the advisory neither is of these options are inside at the moment so fighting continues what are these extremes when it comes on no diplomacy decision made on the battlefield who did creep to him open all-out war is this a possibility including maybe nuclear weapons or is it there are many theories of what's going to happen on the battlefield but before I get to them uh just to say that uh Klaus Woods most famous uh observation I think applies here perfectly which is that war is the continuation of politics with other means this is political issues that we're talking about here which means that there is a way to resolve these issues politically not militarily that's key if this was the delusions of the madman this would be different but this is politics it's politics about Ukraine and its politics about NATO and so this is susceptible of a negotiated outcome I would not give up on that at all now what could happen many things could happen the one thing that cannot happen in my opinion is that Russia is defeated and the reason is that if Russia were to lose in a conventional sense I believe Russia would likely escalate to nuclear war because my understanding of this issue is that Russia views this issue as existential for Russia not as haphazard and not as a flight of fancy not as a dream world of Peter the Great not as recreating the Russian Empire but as an existential threat to Russia whether it is or is not it's viewed that way and Putin is hardly the hardest of the hardliners in Russia by the way uh there are many who resent the fact that he has not escalated much harder and much faster which is within Russia's means so one possibility is that Russia wins on the battlefield in the next months this could really happen incidentally because in a war of attrition a much much larger and powerful country has a propensity to win and because apparently although I'm no expert on this it is said that NATO stockpiles including U.S stockpiles are running very low that's scaling up of U.S military production will take years and that even an article in political which is a kind of right-wing daily in the United States said the Pentagon is freaking out over the depleted reserves because our real wars with China they say so it's really possible that Russia has a significant Victory on the battlefield okay that could mean all sorts of things it could mean NATO escalation uh in which we ratchet things further or it could mean that there's some negotiation or frozen lines or Armistice or Ukraine divided into or something else okay that's one possibility another possibility is that Ukraine wins significantly in this counter-offensive although actually I won't say although suppose that it did is Russia going to say oh we made a mistake we go home I doubt it I think Russia would escalate further and Russia has 1 600 deployed nuclear weapons including tactical nuclear weapons I'm told every day oh don't be blackmailed by nuclear weapons people who say that have no idea of the history of the nuclear age if you're not terrified of gambling with that you don't know the history I'm terrified of it so if Russia were to be losing in a conventional War I'd be I would be terrified right now of what would come next and the idea that we had a story last week in the Washington Post by the way which said Biden I don't I'm paraphrasing uh has decided he can ignore more and more of Putin's red lines because so far it's all been Bluff my God the best book about the Cuban Missile Crisis ever written was a book called gambling with Armageddon that's what they're doing and I know the people doing the gambling you wouldn't want to bet the world on them by the way I know them personally don't bet the world on them so this is where we are lots of things are possible but one thing that is absolutely possible is that Biden picks up the phone and says you know we should consider a way to end this thing without blowing up the world with you going home and with NATO not enlarging that's what I would like to see you said nuclear weapons of course Russia might use might threateness nuclear weapons but at the moment it doesn't really seem that Russia will have a decisive Victory on the battlefield so wasn't the Russian miscalculation in the first place so he did not Asha did not increase military spending decisively before the war all other Imperial power split in the history Russia did not he invaded Ukraine with 180 000 soldiers compared to the US the U.S deployed 800 000 soldiers in 2019 92 in Kuwait to liberate Kuwait Kuwait is 40 times smaller than Ukraine so it wasn't it as a military miscalculation by Putin in the first place and now the the last option what remains are the nuclear weapons was is not a dangerous gambling on the side of protein as well aren't we just witnessing a game of chicken on both sides isn't that what we're doing that each side thinks they can Bluff the other and each side calls the bluff of the other the United States thought that they could get rid of Yanukovych no consequence that's what the U.S thought it's had the US's overthrown dozens of governments it's really a bad habit they forgot diplomacy what they learned they think learned it from the British by the way that if you don't like your counterpart overthrow them so you forget that there's diplomacy you don't have to deal with them you have to subvert them so they thought that they could overthrow yanukovich no consequence Putin grabbed Crimea like he told George Bush he would okay and the uh Russian parts of the Ukrainian Army broke away in eastern Ukraine took the weapons with them and started this uh the the people's republics of uh Donetsk and lugansk and by the way osce observers and NATO observers say this was not Russian weapons coming in I wasn't there that said this was Ukrainian weapons taken from within the Ukrainian Army to create these two Breakaway regions that led to the Minsk agreements Putin thought maybe that will be the way that this will stop there will be autonomy for these two regions Crimea will be ours that would have probably stopped this war but mince wasn't uh Minsk wasn't honored when President Biden came in Putin said stop you know stop and Biden said no why stop were Ukraine is going to become a member of NATO and during 2021 the United States three times signed very high level documents committing the U.S to Nato enlargement to Ukraine on December and then Putin masked troops on the border and put forward this draft document on December 17th he thought I think that would lead to negotiations I called the White House I a week two weeks after that spoke to senior official at length I said negotiate avoid a war negotiate it's not even a concession not to expand NATO it's common sense not to expand NATO and I was told no no no we'll never negotiate over that so Putin thought that that would work it failed so he launched The Invasion on February 24th what was he expecting then my view is he was expecting a quick negotiation why do I surmise that because three weeks later there was a quick negotiation three weeks later zielinski said we don't have to be part of NATO we can be neutral go look it up ladies and gentlemen that was Putin's idea okay we've shown we mean business now we'll have a negotiated outcome based on neutrality but the U.S called that bluff said no way we tell our client you don't negotiate which is exactly what happened so they called the bluff and that with sanctions and US doubling down Putin will back off no Putin mobilized in the summer of 2021 300 000 more people he called the bluff okay we'll send tanks and f-16s we'll call the bluff come on all of us have been in sixth grade that's what we're witnessing except they're playing with nuclear weapons by the way not only clear at least to me I said exactly this to U.S officials all through this process because for a while they would even talk to me because I know them I've been around and I said this is this is deep for Russia and by the way all of our best diplomats have said the same thing for 30 years William Burns who's very bright and now CIA director in 2008 was the U.S ambassador to Russia he sent a famous memo the memo is called niet means yet he explained that the entire Russian political class is dead set against NATO enlargement to Ukraine yet means yet and he said it's no joke but of course American politicians don't listen to this Bill Perry our defense secretary said don't expand NATO George Cannon said in 2007 no excuse me 1997. that this is going to lead to disaster you can look it up in the New York Times it's on the website this is all predictable they behave like kids Raytheon lobbies for more sales all the think tanks in Washington are gung-ho for U.S unilateral prerogatives every article in foreign affairs magazine is about what they call U.S Primacy so it's all about how can we stay number one as an economist it's not even a question I ask by the way question Economist asks is how can we have a win-win economy of trade but if you're a strategist it's who's on top that's what counts to me it's back to sixth grade but for them each side's calling each other's Bluff so where's the miscalculation both sides the only absolute disastrous loser is Ukraine in this and Ukraine had one president who was trying delicately to avoid being engulfed in a proxy war and that was Yanukovych and he was overthrown I've a couple of my questions before we move on to the current a question three more questions about uh just respond of course the Western perception is uh different so the Western perception is that putting abort War block thinking and answer is back to Europe but it seems that the rest is more than willing to accept this Putin's reality as a new Norm you have this keyword Titan vendor so it seems to be an agreement that they meet on a much lower level the higher values like multilateralism interdependence Arms Control they're all given up also by the best so it seems that Putin won this narrative now we're in a different world whoever is responsible but everybody plays the same game with a very sad thing for me in watching this is how Europe lost its identity as a political union to become part of NATO [Applause] it's something ununderstandable for me the equation of the EU and NATO and the fact that president vonderland is campaigning to leave the presidency of the European commission to become head of NATO is an example of how utterly bizarre the situation is so I'm I'm a professor of sustainable development and that means that I study not only income levels but quality of life health and many other dimensions of life I also publish as a co-editor uh founding co-editor of an annual report called the world happiness report which uses data collected by Gallup International to assess the subjective assessment of life in more than 150 countries the reason I mention all of this is Europe has by far the highest living standards on the planet by far the highest quality of life by far and is most attuned of any region in the world to reducing inequalities to Green transformation to doing the things we should be doing in the 21st century that's Europe's vocation a continent of peace sustainable development social equity that's the genius of the osce that that Europe extends all the way to the Euros I was advisor to President Gorbachev I knew President Gorbachev he believed in a common European home not as some pernicious gimmick because he really believed in it and he was a great man of peace probably the greatest Statesman of our age and the United States could not understand him they could not take yes for an answer he's offering peace what's the trick he's offering peace oh I get it will be the unipolar world he's offering to disband the militaries I get it we'll extend NATO all the way to the caucuses that's the U.S reaction to the greatest opportunity we had for peace Europe is losing its greatest achievements in this Europe is not the junior partner of the global hegemon Europe doesn't even have the same values as the United States that's by the way literally objectively so we're part of the crazy Anglo-Saxon world we're still with John Locke's libertarianism we're still with you don't have to help the poor they're a burden on society we have ideas that go back to 17th century Britain and then we learned from 19th century Britain what Global Empire means and decided that that's what our vocation was Europe is so much better than what it is signing up for right now this is extremely sad and extremely dangerous by the way I understand Poland sentiments I was their main economic advisor I help them cancel their debts in 1990 and 91 I helped them stabilize their economy I was their biggest champion for becoming members of the European Union by the way it wasn't even the union then it was the European Community when I started the campaign I was I wrote their First Reform program and I was told that the theme is the return to Europe that's the instruction I was given by elect valences team you write a plan for the economic return to Europe so I've seen all of this I can understand their rusophobia I don't accept it as geopolitics or as clever or as an answer I certainly understand it my wife was born in communist Czechoslovakia I have no Illusions about the hard attitudes but we have to think about how we're actually going to have a safe Planet this isn't about sentiment only it's about some knowledge of History some ability to see the other point of view to understand the history even to understand the history of the Cold War this country as I emphasized is a great lesson that is completely ignored by the way as all the neutral States other than Austria abandon their neutrality with such enthusiasm big mistake but my point is please Europe is not NATO Europe is not NATO and if you knew how crazy it is on the other side of the Atlantic I'm trying to tell you they think that their biggest important calling in the world is confrontation with China is that what you want to sign up for right now don't don't do it you have the best living standards and the best values I would say Social Democratic Values which even for the non-social Democratic parties permeate the idea that people should be taken care of that there should be social housing that there should be public we don't have universal health coverage you sign up for those values I wouldn't recommend it we don't have public values we have British laissez-faire lockian libertarian values I don't recommend it by the way it doesn't work very well I live in an expensive neighborhood in New York that is absolutely filled with beggars filled with garbage that is not taken care of because the public spaces don't work and now filled with shootings don't do it and that is an approach that is part of this even as we're falling apart internally because we have a mass shooting almost every day it seems sometimes more even as this is happening we're all about war and when we just had our debt debt negotiations you know what the bipartisan agreement was that the social spending is capped but the military spending is allowed to rise even though we're spending three times more than China and even though we are spending more than the next 10 countries in the world combined and even though we have 800 military bases overseas around the world don't sign up for that Europe is different from NATO at that moment it doesn't seem like that because of course you said Europe's vocation Europe's vocation is of course effective multilateralism but what we are moving towards it's a polarization so some call it the multipolar word but the multi-polar word without multilateralism is very dangerous we had multiple words before the first uh and the Second World War so how my question would be how could multilateralism be regained so to combine it to Russia should a European security system be constructed with Sasha without Usher or against Usher should Russia be integrated in a multilateral world and how would we do it so you mentioned the osce with the CEC of 75 pin example so how could a multilateral world without polarization without too much polarization uh look like to have any models ideas I was very keen on the European Union enlargement and played a major role in it in the early years because I believe that neighbors should cooperate with each other and so I really like the osce framework I think it's right and I think it is proper for Europe to have a European security arrangement all over the world the regions are divided internally typically Cold War divisions often on a strategy Imperial U.S strategy of impera at DVD so we want division the U.S is stoking divisions in Northeast Asia China Japan is on our side I'm sorry Japan and Korea are on our side China's on the other side we're forging a new uh a new military Alliance August as you know which is Australia U.S UK for nuclear submarines in Australia just what we need just what Australia needs I what the solution is each region should cooperate and African Union should cooperate internally Europe should of course aim to include Russia of course are you kidding how could it not be other than to fall under the nuclear threat day by day again so all of this cancel culture is mind-boggling in how wrong head it is by the way even the New York Philharmonic canceled Iraq monadov concert for May you can't even imagine how I mean I could never imagine how crude this is High culture they can't figure out to play Rachmaninoff and that that's okay or there were protests about Tchaikovsky about don't play Sleeping Beauty and Christmas time even here it was an issue please what is more beautiful than Tchaikovsky's Sleeping Beauty maybe a few Strauss waltzes also okay I would say that they're right up there but we should not be behaving this way and the demonization makes nobody safe it solves no problems it puts everybody on a hair trigger and we are in a nuclear age and so this is my basic idea is un Charter and Regional cooperation and globally agreed goals sustainable development goals Paris climate agreement U.N convention on the law of the Seas the high seas treaty the Kunming Montreal biodiversity framework in other words let's actually take care of people and the planet instead of the 2.2 trillion dollars spent last year on military armaments if we could get a bit of that to get kids in school we'd make a much better world for the hundreds of millions of children who are not in school because their governments are too broke to be able to afford high schools for them so this is what we should be doing we actually have globally agreed goals we have the osce we have the means to do this U.S politicians should not fly to Taiwan and declare that we're going to defend Taiwan at all costs we had agreed 50 years ago to a one-chat one China policy and that's the right policy and China believes in that because starting in 1839 the Western imperialist powers followed by Japan tried to destroy China on several occasions or to conquer China so they're not too keen on that happening again I understand that we should have some prudence so we're not so far away from a peaceful world because the vast majority of people in the world want it and we don't really have China by the way is not aiming to take over the world that's another long evening I have gone to China for 42 years many times a year on many cases it's the last thing in the world that I'm worried about is China taking over the world it's not even a a category in 2 000 years of Chinese statecraft China has not launched one overseas War 2 000 years the one that you could count is when the Mongols controlled Beijing and launched a an invasion of Japan and I think 1274 though I may have the date wrong and the Kamikaze wins the typhoon defeated the Mongol Fleet other than that never you know Britain and France fought with each other almost every year for a thousand years one way or another but Japan and China never accept Japan invading China on three occasions never China invading Japan so don't worry so much about China really don't nice place good food fascinating culture go have a visit before before before I ask you the last very last question I just want to add to your observation that was China Taiwan and the last uh survey of the European Council of Foreign Relations which is a transatlantic Think Tank there was a poll asking citizens not government citizens of the European Union if it comes to a conflict between the U.S and China over Taiwan 65 percent of the Europeans would say 60 to 65 percent would say they rather would stay neutral instead of siding with China or even siding with the U.S so European citizens might think differently than their governments but I cannot avoid asking this very last question now because they're sitting here is an American and you are also order a piece about the link between war and debt and that is accumulating uh in the US and in the US there will be elections next year so will the that crisis have an impact on the decision to support support Ukraine by the next government or um U.S politics is basically a plutocratic state where public policy has been taken over by several powerful lobbies each one devoted to its specific area and they keep the control over U.S policy through campaign contributions because our election campaigns are funded by billionaires and by corporate lobbies and they cost about 15 billion dollars now for an election cycle and you may have seen George Soros yesterday said I give my Empire to my son and the son said I'm going to fund the Democratic party well that's the billionaires that he'll put in hundreds of millions of dollars a billion dollars would not be surprising uh in the 2024 election and then there are other billionaires and so what are the lobbies Wall Street controls Financial policy and our health Lobby controls uh are unbelievably expensive private so-called health system and our AG Lobby controls the food industry with about 60 obesity or overweight in the United States another huge very serious Public Health crisis and the military-industrial complex controls foreign policy not just military policy foreign policy so we have Perpetual war and trillion dollars military budgets 900 billion in the Pentagon budget but there's a lot more there's the CIA and there's Homeland Security and there are many other categories Department of energy with nuclear weapons and so on it's maybe 1.2 trillion dollars a year so that's on the spending side on the revenue side we have unanimous agreement among the billionaires don't tax us it's very simple so we have a low tax collection in the United States and uh this spending on the uh military for example which has cost about six trillion dollars in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and some of the other Wars 6 trillion it's a lot by the way starts to add up a little bit and so our debt crisis comes from a broken political system it's not so interesting Democrats and Republicans by the way that's a little bit a children's game the oligarchy is the plutocracy is both parties and I I lost interest in the blah blah blah blah because it's basically a game that is below our intelligence uh and this is our problem now we will have Rising debt in the future it's a big country big economy we can spend a lot on Wars what there's been no public debate for a moment on the 120 billion that has been spent so far this has all been just bits and pieces inside Omnibus legislation so we can't get a debate on anything because there is no debate they'll have to be another appropriation for Ukraine they'll try to put it in a must pass bill so that it's not really debated and can just be snuck in because there's no interest in asking the American people anything about any of this there's no attempt at deliberative democracy at all no debate at all so the answer to the question is I'm not sure because there probably has to be another vote but they will try to make the vote so that nobody notices uh and it's just part of some Omnibus legislation that funds Social Security something or other it's not won't be Social Security but it'll be something that has to pass and it'll just get through that's how it's done in general if it came to an actual vote it would probably be defeated uh if if there was actually a debate in Congress do we really want to spend another 50 or 100 billion dollars on this it would probably lose they know that but they have the convenience of avoiding any kind of public debate

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Published: Thu Jun 15 2023