AGAINST DONALD TRUMP A COUPLE OF HOURS AGO. THE CLERK, YOU CAN SEE IT, TAKING IT FROM THE JUDGE BACK TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE WHERE IT NOW HAS BEEN ENTERED INTO THE SYSTEM . WE DO KNOW THAT THIS INDICTMENT HANDED UP BY FULTON COUNTY HAS CHARGED DONALD TRUMP AND 18 OTHER INDIVIDUALS FOR THEIR ALLEGED EFFORTS TO OVERTURN THE 2020 ELECTION RESULTS IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA. AGAIN YOU'RE AWARE OF THE OTHER CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS WE'VE BEEN REPORTING ON. TWO OF THEM ARE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, OF COURSE, IS JACK SMITH. THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT CASE. AGAIN, THIS INVOLVES DONALD TRUMP AND 18 OTHER INDIVIDUALS AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR ALLEGEDLY TRYING TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS IN THAT ELECTION THAT JOE BIDEN HAD WON IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA. NOW, IN THIS CASE, IT'S NOT A SPECIAL COUNSEL. IT'S THE DA, FANI WILLIS WHO PRESENTED HER CASE TO THE GRAND JURY ALL DAY TODAY, MORE QUICKLY THAN EXPECTED, CALLING AND WITNESSES EARLIER THAN EXPECTED AS WELL. TRUMP TODAY FIRING OFF A STRING OF ATTACKS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AGAINST THAT DA. TRUMP ALSO TAKING AIM AT GEORGIA'S FORMER LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, A CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN IN THAT STATE, JEFF DUNCAN, WHO WAS JUST ONE OF THE WITNESSES. TRUMP SAYING DUNCAN SHOULD NOT TESTIFY BEFORE THE GRAND JURY WENT AHEAD AND TESTIFIED ANYWAY. AS I POINTED OUT, A MOMENT AGO, FOR DONALD TRUMP, THIS IS NOW HIS FOURTH CRIMINAL INDICTMENT, INCLUDING TWO FEDERAL CASES BROUGHT BY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, JACK SMITH. AND HERE IN NEW YORK, THE 34 COUNT INDICTMENT BROUGHT BY THE MANHATTAN DA FOR ALLEGEDLY FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS. TODAY'S INDICTMENT COMES AFTER A TWO AND A HALF YEAR INVESTIGATION ON LET'S DIVE RIGHT INTO THE NAMES HERE. I'VE GOT THE TEAM HERE, PIERRE THOMAS, JON KARL, RACHEL SCOTT, ALL WITH ME HERE AT THE DESK. DONALD TRUMP LISTED FIRST IN THIS INDICTMENT THAT I'M LOOKING AT JUST CROSSING NOW RIGHT UNDERNEATH SOME OF THE NAMES THAT YOU'LL BE VERY FAMILIAR WITH AT HOME. RUDY GIULIANI FACING A NUMBER OF COUNTS JOHN. CHARLES EASTMAN, MARK RANDALL MEADOWS, MARK MEADOWS, OF COURSE, THE FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF. AND OF COURSE, IN THAT ROLE DURING THAT KEY TIME PERIOD LEADING UP TO THE ELECTION, STRAIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION, UP TO, OF COURSE, JANUARY 6TH, THE CERTIFICATION OF THAT ELECTION IN WASHINGTON. KENNETH CHESBRO JEFFREY BOSSERT CLARK, JENNA ELLIS, RAY STALLINGS SMITH, ROBERT DAVID SHEALY. MICHAEL ROMAN. DAVID JAMES SHAFER. SEAN MICAH THRASHER. STILL TREASURE STILL, I SHOULD SAY. STEVEN CLIFFORD. LEE HARRISON. WILLIAM PRESCOTT. FLOYD. TREVEON COOTIE SIDNEY. CATHERINE POWELL, OF COURSE. SIDNEY POWELL, ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS WHO CAME BEFORE THE CAMERAS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WITH HER THEORIES ON WHY THE ELECTION WAS NOT JOE BIDEN'S THAT HAD THAT HAD BEEN A VICTORY FOR HIM, THOUGH ALL OF HER THEORIES HAD BEEN SHOT DOWN, NOT JUST BY THE OTHER CAMPAIGN OR THE OTHER SIDE, BUT BY COURTROOMS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. KATHLEEN ALSTON, LATHAM, SCOTT GRAHAM HALL, MISTY HAMPTON, ALSO KNOWN AS EMILY MISTY HAYES, THEY SAY IN THIS INDICTMENT NOW, A LOT OF THESE NAMES ARE HOUSEHOLD NAMES, BUT JON KARL, SOME OF THESE NAMES ARE NOT KNOWN. AND I WOULD GUESS SOME OF THEM ARE THESE SO-CALLED FAKE ELECTORS. >> THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO FAKE ELECTORS THAT I SEE IMMEDIATELY OFF THIS. DAVID SHAFER, WHO WAS ALSO THE HEAD OF THE REPUBLIC PARTY IN GEORGIA, ALSO SEAN, STILL. BUT WHAT'S SIGNIFICANT HERE, DAVID, WE'VE NOW WE'RE AT OUR FOURTH TRUMP INDICTMENT, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST ONE THAT TAKES TRUMP AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE WITH HIM ARE TRYING TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION. AND THESE ARE THE BIGGEST NAMES. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HELPING HIM LEAD THE EFFORT. RUDY GIULIANI, SIDNEY POWELL, MARK MEADOWS, HIS CHIEF OF STAFF. JOHN EASTMAN, WHO WROTE THE WHOLE STRATEGY OF TRYING TO GET MIKE PENCE TO TWO TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION, BUT WAS ALSO VERY INVOLVED IN THE EFFORT TO GET FAKE ELECTORS FROM THE STATES. TRUMP WAS CONTESTING . CHEESBROUGH KENNETH CHEESEBOROUGH WAS THE LAWYER WHO CAME UP WITH WITH THAT STRATEGY SPECIFICALLY OF SAYING WE CAN GO AS LONG AS WE GET OUR ELECTORS VOTED ON IN THE STATE HOUSE. THEY DID IT SECRETLY IN THE STATE HOUSE IN SOME CASES, INCLUDING IN GEORGIA. BUT THEY DID THIS IN SEVEN DIFFERENT STATES. SO THIS IS A BROAD SWEEPING INDICTMENT IN SOME WAYS, EVEN THOUGH IT DEALS WITH JUST ONE STATE MORE SWEEPING THAN THE ELECTION INTERFERENCE CASE THAT WE SAW JACK SMITH TAKE UNDER. AND ONE OTHER POINT ABOUT GEORGIA, DAVID. YOU KNOW, TRUMP WAS REALLY CONTESTING SIX, SEVEN STATES, IF YOU INCLUDE NEW MEXICO, THAT HE LOST TO JOE BIDEN. BUT GEORGIA WAS THE STATE THAT WAS CLOSEST OF ALL OF THEM. AND IT WAS A STATE IN THE DEEP SOUTH. IT WAS THE IT WAS THE DEFEAT THAT HURT TRUMP THE MOST MORE THAN ANY OF THESE STATES. IT WAS THE STATE THAT HE WAS OBSESSED WITH AND OBSESSED WITH GETTING HIS DEFEAT OVERTURNED. >> AND AGAIN, THIS IS A SPEAKING INDICTMENT, IF YOU WILL. WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS ON THE AIR. I KNOW, PETER, YOU'RE READY TO JUMP IN. I JUST WANT TO READ FOR OUR VIEWERS AT HOME WHAT IT SAYS ON PAGE 14, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE FIRST KEY PAGE AFTER THE COUNTS ARE LISTED IN THIS INDICTMENT. IT SAYS DEFENDANT DONALD JOHN TRUMP LOST THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION HELD ON NOVEMBER 3RD, 2020. ONE OF THE STATES HE LOST WAS GEORGIA. TRUMP AND THE OTHER DEFENDANTS CHARGED IN THIS INDICTMENT REFUSED TO ACCEPT THAT TRUMP LOST, AND THEY KNOWINGLY AND WILLFULLY JOINED A CONSPIRACY TO UNLAWFULLY CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION IN FAVOR OF TRUMP. THAT CONSPIRACY CONTAINED A COMMON PLAN AND PURPOSE. THAT'S KEY THERE. IT CONTAINED A COMMON PLAN AND PURPOSE SHARED BY THESE PEOPLE. THAT'S THE ALLEGATION HERE FROM FANI WILLIS. TO COMMIT TWO OR MORE ACTS OF RACKETEER RING ACTIVITY IN FULTON COUNTY, GEORGIA. ELSEWHERE IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA AND IN OTHER STATES HERE, DAVID, EXTRAORDINARY. >> YOU HAVE A LOCAL PROSECUTOR USING RACKETEERING LAWS WHICH ARE TYPICALLY USED TO FIGHT AGAINST MOBSTERS AND DRUG LORDS. AND SHE'S BASICALLY SAYING THAT THESE PEOPLE ENGAGED IN A PLAN KNOWING THAT THEY LOST TO BASICALLY CIRCUMVENT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. AND THERE ARE SPECIFIC ACTS THAT ARE BEING LAID OUT IN THIS INDICTMENT. NUMBER ONE, THAT THIS CALL TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE, BRAD RAFFENSPERGER, IN WHICH TRUMP IS ASKING FOR 11,780 VOTES, THAT THAT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO BASICALLY CORRUPT AN OFFICIAL IN THE STATE GOVERNMENT. BUT ALSO THE NOTION THAT THEY WERE USING THE FAKE ELECTORS WAS FRAUD. SO SHE'S SAYING THAT THERE WERE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO LED BY DONALD TRUMP, HE'S AT THE CENTER OF IT WHO ENGAGED IN A CONSPIRACY AGAIN TO SUBVERT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. JUST A STUNNING CASE HERE. WE'VE SEEN THIS SO MANY DIFFERENT TIMES BEFORE, DAVID, BUT EACH CASE IS THIS IS A CASE STUDY OF A LOCAL PROSECUTOR SAYING LOCAL LAWS WERE BROKEN IN THE COMMISSION OF THIS CONSPIRACY. >> SHE'S WELL KNOWN IN THAT COMMUNITY. THE FIRST WOMAN TO HOLD THIS ROLE. SHE ESSENTIALLY BEAT HER BOSS TO BECOME DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN FULTON COUNTY. SHE'S KNOWN ONE OF THE CASES SHE TOOK ON WAS AGAINST THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IN THAT AREA FOR CHEATING. AND SHE PROSECUTED IT IN SOME IN SOME WAYS THAT ARE QUITE SIMILAR TO THIS CASE, ALLEGING A CONSPIRACY. I WANT TO READ FROM PAGE 15 HERE THIS CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION CONSTITUTED AN ENTERPRISE, A TERM THAT HAS DEFINED AND SHE TALKS ABOUT THE LEGAL STATUTE THAT DEFINES THIS, A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS ASSOCIATED THE DEFENDANTS AND OTHER MEMBERS AND ASSOCIATES OF THE ENTERPRISE HAD CONNECTIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS WITH ONE ANOTHER AND WITH THE ENTERPRISE TIES AND GOES ON TO WRITE THE ENTERPRISE CONSTITUTED AN ONGOING ORGANIZATION WHOSE MEMBERS AND ASSOCIATES FUNCTIONED AS A CONTINUING UNIT FOR A COMMON PURPOSE. LET'S GET RIGHT TO AARON KATERSKY, OUR SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE. AND AARON, AGAIN, THE FACT THAT SHE'S USING THE STATE STATUTE HERE, WE KNOW THERE'S ONE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AS WELL. BUT SHE'S TURNED TO THE STATE LAW THAT THEY ESSENTIALLY USE TO PROSECUTE MOB BOSSES AND CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS. >> AND IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA, THE RACKETEERING STATUTE IS OFTEN USED TO DO TO DO OTHER THINGS, TO BRING THESE KINDS OF SWEEPING CASES. IT GIVES PROSECUTORS A LITTLE MORE LEEWAY , DAVID, TO BRING IN EVIDENCE, NOT JUST FROM FULTON COUNTY, BUT PERHAPS FROM ELSEWHERE IN THE STATE. AND I TOOK NOTE THAT ONE OF THE PEOPLE CHARGED HERE, MISTY HAMILTON, IS THE FORMER ELECTION SUPERVISOR IN COFFEE COUNTY, WHERE THERE WAS A SUPPOSED BREACH OF ELECTION MACHINES THAT CLEARLY HAS CONSTITUTED SOME OF THIS CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY THAT'S BEING ALLEGED NOW. BUT TO SEE RIGHT PLAINLY ON PAGE 15, AS YOU POINT OUT, THAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, RUDY GIULIANI, JOHN EASTMAN, KEN CHESBRO AND OTHERS CONSTITUTED A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION, THE PROSECUTOR SAID, WHOSE MEMBERS AND ASSOCIATES ENGAGED IN VARIOUS RELATED CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES. AND SHE GOES ON TO LIST THEM FALSE STATEMENTS AND WRITINGS, IMPERSONATING A PUBLIC OFFICER, FORGERY, FILING FALSE DOCUMENTS , INFLUENCING WITNESSES, COMPUTER THEFT, COMPUTER TRESPASS. THIS DOES READ LIKE A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION DOING SOMETHING PERHAPS FOR PROFIT. BUT HERE THE PROSECUTOR FOR FANI WILLIS, WHO WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM SHORTLY, SAYS THE MOTIVE WAS TO KEEP TRUMP IN POWER UNLAWFULLY. DAVID THIS CAME THIS INDICTMENT WAS HANDED UP SOME 12 HOURS AFTER PROSECUTORS BEGAN PRESENTING THEIR CASE TO A GRAND JURY AFTER DARK, AFTER HOURS, THE JUDGE KEPT HIS COURTROOM OPEN, TOLD EVERYBODY TO HANG IN THERE BECAUSE HE WAS DOING THE SAME. THEY MOVED VERY FAST, CALLING WITNESSES TODAY, CALLING IN SOME WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO TESTIFY LATER IN THE WEEK SO THAT THEY COULD BE ON NOTICE AND READY. THEY CLEARLY WANTED TO GET THIS DONE. DAVID. >> AARON KATERSKY JUST OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE. AARON, THANK YOU. I WANT TO BRING IN OUR CHIEF LEGAL ANALYST, DAN ABRAMS. ALSO READING THROUGH THIS WITH US. AND DAN, THE SWEEPING NATURE OF THIS INDICTMENT, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT 161 ACTS THAT WERE COMMITTED AS PART OF THIS CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE. >> AND WHAT SHE DOES IS SHE TAKES IT THROUGH CHRONOLOGICALLY , STARTING FROM ACTUALLY BEFORE THE ELECTION IN ACT NUMBER ONE, SHE MAKES A REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT ON OCTOBER 31ST, HE'S ALREADY TALKING ABOUT MAKING A SPEECH DECLARING VICTORY. EVEN IF HE DOESN'T WIN. AND SO SHE'S SAYING, IN EFFECT, THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS. IT STARTS EVEN BEFORE ELECTION DAY. AND THEN SHE TAKES IT THROUGH CHRONOLOGICALLY WITH EACH ACT IN THESE 161 ACTS, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO DONALD TRUMP. EACH OF THEM RELATE TO SOME OF THEM TO DONALD TRUMP, SOME TO OTHERS. BUT ENDING IN FALSE STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE TO THE GRAND JURY EVEN IN LATE 2022. SO THAT IS THE TOTALITY OF THE CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT HERE. BUT THAT'S JUST THE FIRST COUNT OF WHAT APPEARS TO BE 41 COUNTS IN THIS INDICTMENT. AGAIN SOME RELATING TO DONALD TRUMP, SOME RELATING TO OTHERS. BUT BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I THINK OF A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, THE FACT THAT SO MANY LAWYERS ARE INDICTED HERE. I MEAN, THESE ARE ATTORNEYS WHO ARE BEING CHARGED WITH A CRIME FOR THEIR ROLE IN IN THIS EFFORT. AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PARTS OF THE INDICTMENT, I THINK IT GOES TO NOT NOT THINGS THAT JUST PEOPLE SAID, NOT THINGS THAT JUST PEOPLE ADVOCATE LOCATED, BUT DOCUMENTS. IT'S FALSE. DOCA CEMENTS FALSELY CLAIMING THESE ELECTORS, SAYING WE ARE THE DULY ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE STATE WHEN THEY WEREN'T. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT THEY HAVE COOPERATORS HERE, BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE, THEY DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE FAKE ELECTORS WHO ARE GOING TO SAY PRISON ABLY WHAT THEY KNEW ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THE EVIDENCE WAS, WHAT THEY WERE THINKING AS THIS WAS HAPPENING, AND THE SECOND ONE, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS WITH REGARD TO TAMPERING WITH VOTING MACHINES. I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AFTER JANUARY SIXTH, ALLEGATIONS THAT THEY'RE GOING AND ACCESSING VOTING MACHINES WITHOUT COURT PERMISSION. THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF ALLEGATIONS THAT ARE TOUGHER TO DEFEND AGAINST THAN WELL, I THOUGHT WE'D WON. WELL I WAS JUST TRYING TO ADVOCATE FOR MY CASE. ET CETERA. >> DAN ABRAMS WATCHING THIS ALONG WITH THE REST OF US AS WE AWAIT FANI WILLIS, THE DA THERE IN FULTON COUNTY. ABOUT 11:12 O'CLOCK HERE ON THE EAST COAST. SHE'S EXPECTED TO SPEAK ABOUT EIGHT MINUTES FROM NOW, SHED MORE LIGHT ON THE INDICTMENT, THE SWEEPING INDICTMENT THAT JUST HANDED UP BY THE GRAND JURY IN FULTON COUNTY, GEORGIA. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THAT STAND OUT RIGHT AWAY, ONE OF WHICH WAS SOMETHING WE BELIEVED MIGHT BE PART OF THIS INDICTMENT. AND IN FACT, IT IS JOHN. CARL THIS ALLEGED INTIMIDATION THAT WE'VE REPORTED ON HEAVILY OF THOSE TWO ELECTION WORKERS IN GEORGIA. >> YES. THIS WAS A MAJOR PART OF THE DRAMA IN GEORGIA. THE PRESSURE THAT ELECTION WORKERS, INCLUDING RISK, INCLUDING SHEA MOSS AND HER MOTHER, RUBY FREEMAN, WHO WERE TWO WORKERS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THE VOTE COUNTING. AND THEY CAME UNDER ENORMOUS PRESSURE. THEY WERE TARGETED DIRECTLY BY DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF. DONALD TRUMP MENTIONED RUBY FREEMAN'S NAME. MORE THAN A DOZEN TIMES DURING THAT INFAMOUS CALL WITH BRAD RAFFENSPERGER, BUT THREE NAMES THAT ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THE EFFORT TO INTIMIDATE AND PRESSURE THESE TWO INCLUDE STEPHEN CLIFFORD LEE. HE WAS A PASTOR WHO APPROACHED RUBY FREEMAN AT HER HOME AND BASICALLY MADE WHAT WAS ALLEGEDLY THREATENING MESSAGES. HIS YOU NEED TO COME OUT AND ADMIT THE ELECTION FRAUD WAS HERE, DO IT FOR THE SAFETY OF YOUR FAMILY, ESSENTIALLY WAS THE MESSAGE ALSO A FELLOW BY THE NAME OF TREVIAN KUTTI, WHO WAS SOMEBODY WHO HAD WORKED WITH KANYE WEST, WHO ALSO APPROACHED THEM WITH THE SAME MESSAGE, YOU NEED TO COME OUT AND TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS FRAUD, FRAUD THAT DIDN'T EXIST HAD HAPPENED. AND THE PERSON THAT SET THAT UP ALSO A FELLOW BY THE NAME OF HARRISON FLOYD. BUT THESE WERE THREE INDIVIDUALS ALLEGED DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH AN EFFORT TO INTIMIDATE THESE TWO ELECTION WORKERS WHO WOULD LATER GO ON TO TESTIFY BEFORE THE JANUARY 6TH COMMITTEE. >> WE WONDERED WHAT KIND OF ROLE MARK MEADOWS WOULD PLAY IN ANY KIND OF INDICTMENT. AGAIN, THE FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF TO DONALD TRUMP DURING THAT KEY PERIOD, THE END OF DONALD TRUMP'S TERM AS PRESIDENT AND LEADING INTO ALL THESE QUESTIONS AND OF COURSE, UP TO THE CERTIFICATION, I WANT TO BRING IN JOHN SANTUCCI BECAUSE JOHN, OUR EDITORIAL PRODUCER WHO HAS COVERED DONALD TRUMP FOR YEARS ON PAGE 45 OF THIS INDICTMENT, IT TALKS ABOUT LATE DECEMBER. SO THIS IS AFTER THE ELECTION, OBVIOUSLY ABOUT A WEEK OR MORE BEFORE AFTER THE JANUARY 6TH CERTIFICATION IN. AND IT TALKS ABOUT MARK MEADOWS SENDING A TEXT MESSAGE TO THE OFFICE OF THE GEORGIA SECRETARY OF STATE, CHIEF INVESTIGATOR FRANCIS WATSON, THAT STATED IN PART AND THIS QUOTE, THE TEXT MESSAGE FROM MARK MEADOWS TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE INVESTIGATOR IS THERE A WAY TO SPEED UP FULTON COUNTY SIGNATURE VERIFICATION IN ORDER TO HAVE RESULTS BEFORE JANUARY 6TH? IF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN ASSISTED FINANCIAL ALI AND FANI WILLIS GOES ON TO WRITE HERE, THIS WAS AN OVERT ACT IN FURTHERANCE OF THE CONSPIRACY. JOHN, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? >> YEAH, DAVID, I MEAN, THIS REALLY SPEAKS VOLUMES BECAUSE THE QUESTION HAD ALWAYS BEEN, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP'S TEAM WAS BIFURCATED, IF YOU WILL. THERE WAS THE TEAM LED BY RUDY GIULIANI OUTSIDE OF THE WHITE HOUSE THAT WE SAW MAKE THE TRIPS DOWN TO FULTON COUNTY, GEORGIA, OUT TO PENNSYLVANIA, OUT TO NEVADA. BUT THERE WAS ALWAYS THAT QUESTION, DAVID, OF WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE WHITE HOUSE, WHAT WAS HAPPENING AMONG THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE STILL CLOSEST TO THE PRESIDENT IN THE FINAL DAYS LEADING UP TO JANUARY 6TH. AND RIGHT THERE TO SEE IN THAT DOCUMENT, DAVID, THAT MARK MEADOWS WAS ON THE PHONES WORKING AT TEXTING, PEOPLE OFFERING UP FROM HIS POSITION AS CHIEF OF STAFF, FINANCIAL SUPPORT FROM THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN TO DO SOMETHING, IF YOU WILL, ABOUT THAT ELECTION RESULTS DOWN IN GEORGIA. IT'S JUST STRIKING, DAVID. AND IT GOES TO SHOW THE WAY THAT THIS INDICTMENT HAS BEEN LAID OUT. I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN SAYING THIS TERM SPEAKING INDICTMENT OVER AND OVER AGAIN AS WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT CASES FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. BUT JUST TO SEE THE PIECEMEAL IS COMING TOGETHER HERE, THE TEXTS, THE TWEETS, EVERY THING THAT THIS DA HAS PULLED TOGETHER FROM THERE, A FACT FINDING MISSION, IF YOU WILL, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS IS JUST INCREDIBLE. AND I THINK, DAVID, YOU KNOW, YOU BROUGHT THIS POINT UP IN OUR PAST COVERAGE. THERE HAS BEEN QUESTIONS AROUND TRUMP WORLD, FRANKLY, WHO STILL IS IN TRUMP WORLD? WHO IS COMMUNICATING WITH DONALD TRUMP? DAVID, I CAN TELL YOU FROM TALKING TO MULTIPLE SOURCES IN JUST THE LAST FEW DAYS, IT IS THEIR UNDERSTANDING THAT DONALD TRUMP AND MARK MEADOWS HAVE NOT SPOKEN FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. AND TO THINK, DAVID, THAT RELATIONS WHICH WAS SO CLOSE, THOSE TWO GUYS WERE CONSIDERED INSEPARABLE AT SOME POINT. THE FACT THAT THEY'RE NOT SPEAKING AND NOW THEY ARE BOTH IN THIS INDICTMENT. DAVID YOU DO HAVE TO WONDER WHERE THIS DOES GO FORWARD. >> BUT JOHN, YOU DID LEARN IN RECENT DAYS THAT DONALD TRUMP, HIS LEGAL TEAM AT BEDMINSTER, DID MEET WITH OTHERS WHO THEY THOUGHT MIGHT BE PULLED INTO THIS, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE COMING FROM THIS FULTON COUNTY DA. YEAH DAVID, IN JUST THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, MY SOURCES TELL ME THAT DONALD TRUMP ACTUALLY BROUGHT HIS LEGAL TEAM DOWN IN FULTON COUNTY, GEORGIA, UP TO BEDMINSTER, NEW JERSEY. >> IT WAS IN THAT MEETING, DAVID , THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT ASKED HIS LEGAL TEAM, WHAT IS THIS CASE GOING TO BE? WHAT IS THIS GOING TO LOOK LIKE? AND I'M TOLD THE TWO ATTORNEYS IN THAT MEETING, DAVID DREW FINDLING AND JENNIFER LITTLE, WHO HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN, IF YOU WILL, SOME OF THE LONGEST SERVING ATTORNEYS TO DONALD TRUMP IN RELATION TO ALL OF THESE FOUR INVESTIGATION ACTIONS. THEY TOLD THE FORMER PRESIDENT THEY BELIEVED OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN ADDITION TO HIM WOULD BE INDICTED. AND I'M TOLD, DAVID, THAT AS THEY WENT THROUGH THE POSSIBILITIES OF NAMES AS ONE OF THE NAMES THAT DONALD TRUMP FOCUSED ON QUITE INTENTLY, WAS WAS RUDY GIULIANI. AND IT WASN'T SO MUCH THE IDEA THAT RUDY WOULD FLIP ON ME OR GO AGAINST ME, BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY A PERSONAL RELATION TOWNSHIP HERE. DAVID. DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T HAVE MANY PERSONAL FRIENDS. HE HAS LOOKED AT THE FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR AND HIS ONE TIME PERSONAL ATTORNEY AS JUST THAT, A CLOSE FRIEND OF WELL OVER THREE DECADES, CONCERNED ABOUT RUDY DAVID, BUT ALSO CONCERNED, DAVID ABOUT WHO THESE OTHER PEOPLE COULD BE. AND I WOULD JUST MAKE ONE OTHER NOTE, DAVID, THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST INDICTMENT, WE WENT THROUGH THE JANUARY 6TH INDICTMENT. WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE UNINDICTED COKE CONSPIRATORS IN THAT CASE. THEY WEREN'T NAMED. THEY WEREN'T IDENTIFIED BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT INDICTED. WE SEE IN THIS DOCUMENT FROM DA FANI WILLIS THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST 30 UNINDICTED COCONSPIRATORS. AND AS WE LEARNED, JUST A FEW HOURS AFTER TEAM TRUMP READ THROUGH THE JANUARY 6TH INDICTMENT, YOU HAVE GOT TO IMAGINE RIGHT NOW, DAVID, THEY ARE DOING THE SAME THING. THEY ARE PORING THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO IS WHO AND THEN DAVID LOOKING IN THE MIRROR AND SAYING , DO WE STILL HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH ANY OF THESE PEOPLE? COULD WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE? >> WELL, IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY INDICTMENT AND SWEEPING IN NATURE. WE ARE AGAIN WAITING FOR FANI WILLIS TO COME BEFORE THE CAMERAS. YOU CAN SEE THE MICROPHONES SET UP THERE. THIS IS NOT ONLY A MAJOR LOCAL STORY IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA. THERE BUT ACROSS THIS COUNTRY WATCHING WHAT GEORGIA WOULD DO. OBVIOUSLY, LOOKING AT THESE TWO SORT OF PARALLEL TIMELINES, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND THEN FANI WILLIS MOVING FULL STEAM AHEAD IN GEORGIA IN MUCH MORE OF A SWEEPING NATURE. ASHA RANGAPPA WITH YALE LAW SCHOOL, FORMER SPECIAL AGENT WITH THE FBI. AS WE AWAIT FANI WILLIS, SOMETHING YOU HAD SAID TO US BEFORE WE CAME ON THE AIR TONIGHT, IF FANI WILLIS MOVED FORWARD USING RICO BASICALLY IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA, WE KNOW FEDERAL LEVEL AND STATE LEVEL. BUT IF SHE CITES THIS LAW, THIS CODE IN THIS INDICTMENT, SHE WAS ESSENTIALLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T STEALING CARS OR WHATEVER ELSE YOU MIGHT WANT TO ACCUSE THEM OF. BUT BUT THAT THEY WERE ALLEGEDLY TRYING TO STEAL THE ELECTION. >> YES. SHE'S LIKENING TRUMP TO A MOB BOSS OR A GANG LEADER. YOU KNOW, FANI WILLIS HAS ACTUALLY USED THE STATUE TO PROSECUTE A LEADER OF A GANG BEFORE. AND WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS THAT THIS IS A PERSON WHO IS DOING ERECTING A PATTERN OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. WHAT RICO ALLOWS IS FOR PROSECUTORS TO GET TO THE PERSON AT THE TOP, THE PERSON WHO MAY NOT BE INVOLVED IN EVERY SINGLE CRIMINAL ACT. AND IT ALLOWS HER TO LINK TOGETHER TO A NUMBER OF SUB CONSPIRACIES. SO THE CONSPIRACY TO GET THE SECRETARY OF STATE TO FIND THOSE VOTES, THE OTHER CONSPIRACY TO SUBMIT THIS FALSE SLATE OF ELECTORS, WHAT RICO SAYS IS THAT THIS IS ALL INTO RELATED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. IT'S PART OF A BIGGER CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE, GUYS. SHE LISTS 161 CRIMES, ALL RACKETEERING ACTS IN THIS INDICTMENT, EACH DEFENDANT ONLY HAS TO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN TWO OF THEM TO BE LIABLE FOR THE WHOLE THING, INCLUDING DONALD TRUMP. AND I THINK HERE SHE'S IT'S SWEEPING. IT ALLOWS HER TO BRING IN A LOT OF ACTIVITY. IT IS A CONTRAST WITH SPECIAL COUNSEL JACK SMITH, WHO HAS OPTED FOR A VERY STRICT LINED INDICTMENT, VERY SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD COUNTS, AND ONLY ONE DEFENDANT. SO IT HAS ITS PROS AND CONS. AND WE'LL SEE HOW SHE FARES WITH IT. >> LET ME ASK YOU A FOLLOW UP TO THOSE PROS AND CONS, BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED JACK SMITH SORT OF STREAMLINING, MENTIONING COKE INSPIRATORS, BUT NOT BY NAME, INDICTING DONALD TRUMP ONLY. SHE HAS DONE A MUCH MORE SWEEPING INDICTMENT HERE, NOT ONLY SPEAKING OF COCONSPIRATORS, BUT NAMING THEM AND CHARGING THEM. IS THAT A MORE CHALLENGING LONG CASE TO PROSECUTE ASHA I THINK WHERE THE CHALLENGE COULD COME IS IN BOTH NOT JUST CONVINCING A JURY, BUT ALSO MAKING THE CASE IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION, WHICH IN WHEN YOU'RE PROSECUTING A FORMER PRESIDENT, I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. >> SO IN THE FORMER PROSECUTORS THAT I'VE TALKED TO, BOTH FEDERAL AND STATE, THERE'S BEEN SOME DEBATE ON THE KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID APPROACH WHERE YOU WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING OR WHETHER YOU DO SOMETHING SO COMPLEX THAT PEOPLE DON'T FULLY GET EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON. I DO THINK HERE IN LOOKING AT THE ACTS THAT SHE'S PRESENTED, SHE CAN STILL TELL A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, COMPELLING STORY. I MEAN, HE WAS TRYING TO FIND FAKE VOTES. THEY WERE TRYING TO PRESENT A FAKE SLATE OF ELECTORS. THEY WERE HARASSING ELECTORS, ELECTION OFFICIALS. BUT BUT IT IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN JUST INDICTING ONE PERSON FOR THE EVENTS THAT WE SAW UNFOLD ON TELEVISION, WHICH IS WHAT JACK SMITH IS DOING. THIS IS A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT WAS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES. I THINK IT WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT THAT THESE PROCEEDINGS ARE TELEVISED BECAUSE I THINK THAT WILL ALLOW HER TO MAKE THE CASE TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IN A WAY THAT JACK SMITH MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO, SINCE HIS PROCEEDINGS WON'T BE BROADCAST. >> AND ASHA, FOR THOSE OF US WHO AREN'T LAWYERS, AND THAT'S INCLUDES ME RIGHT HERE. I MEAN, DOES THIS WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS BECAUSE THERE ARE CAMERAS IN COURT IN GEORGIA. THAT'S GOING TO BE A KEY DIFFERENCE HERE. BUT ALSO, DO WE SEE THEM BROUGHT IN AS A GROUP IF SHE'S ALLEGING THIS CONSPIRACY, SHE'S NAMED ALL OF THEM AND INDICTED THEM, THEM ON MANY OF THE SAME CHARGES. I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT DONALD TRUMP COUNTS ONE FIVE, NINE, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 27 THROUGH 29, 38 THROUGH 39. AND JUST BENEATH HIM, RUDY GIULIANI COUNTS ONE THROUGH THREE, SIX THROUGH SEVEN, NINE, 11, 13. AND SO ON AND SO ON. I MEAN, WILL YOU SEE THESE ALLEGED COCONSPIRATORS BROUGHT INTO THAT COURTROOM DURING THIS TRIAL ALL TOGETHER? WELL I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JACK SMITH WAS CONSIDERING IN HIS CALCULATIONS IS THAT THE MORE DEFENDANTS YOU HAVE, THE MORE POTENTIAL FOR DELAY, BECAUSE AS YOU MAY HAVE DEFENDANTS WHO HAVE INTERESTS THAT ARE ADVERSE TO EACH OTHER, YOU MAY HAVE PEOPLE WHO FLIP AND YOU MAY HAVE OTHER LEGAL ISSUES THAT COME UP. >> SO I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU'LL SEE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE IN THE COURTROOM TOGETHER. I THINK IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SOME TIME BEFORE THEY ARE IN A COURTROOM AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE TRADE OFFS THAT SHE'S MADE. ON THE OTHER HAND, THIS DOES SEEM TO BE A GOOD DIVISION OF LABOR BETWEEN THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENTS. WE TEND TO THINK OF PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS AS BEING A NATIONAL FEDERAL INTEREST, BUT THEY'RE ADMINISTERED BY THE STATE. THE HARM WHEN YOU INTERFERE IN AN ELECTION ACCRETES TO THE STATES THAT ARE ADMINISTERING THEM AND THAT'S WHAT FANI WILLIS IS TRYING TO VINDICATE HERE. AND IN SOME WAYS, MAYBE THE EXTRA DELAY AND EXTRA COMPLEXITY IS GOING TO BE WORTH IT. I'LL ADD HERE, DAVID, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT TRUMP AND HIS CO-DEFENDANTS WON'T HAVE THE OPTION FOR A PARDON HERE, A FEDERAL PARDON, EVEN IF HE BECOMES PRESIDENT, BECAUSE IT'S A STATE CRIME. AND IN GEORGIA, THE PARDON POWER DOESN'T ACTUALLY REST WITH THE GOVERNOR. IT RESTS WITH THE BOARD OF PAROLE AND PARDONS AND CAN ONLY BE GIVEN AFTER FIVE YEARS OF A SENTENCE. IS COMPLETED. SO THAT OPTION IS NOT THERE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN BANKING ON IT. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING THAT QUESTION IN THIS COUNTRY WHO'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THESE CASES. AND AS ASHA RIGHTLY POINTS OUT HERE, MOMENTS AGO, MAKING THE POINT THAT ANY SORT OF PARDON OR COMMUTING OF THE SENTENCE IN THIS CASE WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE JACK SMITH CASE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL IN GEORGIA, BECAUSE IT'S AT THE STATE LEVEL. PRESIDENT TRUMP, IF HE WERE REELECTED, COULD NOT PARDON HIMSELF, COULD NOT BE PARDONED BY THE GOVERNOR OF GEORGIA. IT WOULD BE BY THE PAROLE BOARD AND ONLY AFTER FIVE YEARS OF SERVING ANY POTENTIAL CONVICTION. AND SENTENCE THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH IT. AS WE AWAIT FOR ANY WILLIS HERE, THE DA AND FORGIVE ME IF I HAVE TO CUT YOU OFF CHRIS MIDWAY, BUT LET'S BRING IN CHRIS TIMMONS, FORMER GEORGIA PROSECUTOR. HE'S AN EXPERT ON THE RICO ACT RIGHT THERE IN GEORGIA, VETERAN PROSECUTOR IN GEORGIA. YOU WERE LOOKING AT THIS. AND I KNOW AT FIRST GLANCE, EVEN YOU SAID THIS IS MASSIVE. >> ABSOLUTELY. IT'S A REALLY BIG INDICTMENT. THERE ARE 161 ACTS IN FURTHERANCE OF THE CONSPIRACY . ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT NOT ALL OF THEM ARE CRIMES FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT ACT NUMBER 58, IT JUST TALKS ABOUT SENDING AN EMAIL. THERE ARE OTHER ACT NUMBER 57. IT'S AGAINST DAVID SCHAFFER, THE WHO'S A POLITICIAN HERE, RESERVED ROOM TO 16 AT THE GEORGIA STATE CAPITOL COUNTY GOVERNMENT. THAT'S NOT A CRIME IN AND OF ITSELF. IT'S JUST AN ACT IN FURTHERANCE OF THE CONSPIRACY. SO ANYTIME SOMEONE PERFORMS AN ACT IN FURTHERANCE OF A CONSPIRACY, THEY JOIN THE CONSPIRACY. PROBABLY THE BEST EXAMPLE I CAN GIVE YOU THAT IS LET'S TAKE AN ARMED ROBBERY, FOR EXAMPLE. WELL, IF YOU'VE GOT FOUR PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE ARMED ROBBERY, ONE PERSON GOES OFF TO RUN A CAR, THAT'S NOT A CRIME. ANOTHER PERSON GOES OFF TO BUY A GUN. AGAIN, NOT A CRIME. BUT THE FOLKS THAT HAVE PURCHASED THE GUN AND RENTED THE CAR, IF THEY THEN MOVE TOWARD AN ARMED ROBBERY, THOSE ARE ALL ACTS IN FURTHERANCE OF THE CONSPIRACY. BUT IT'S A IT'S A SWEEPING INDICTMENT. >> AND THAT WILL BE THE CHALLENGE SHE FACES IN DRAWING IT ALL TOGETHER AND TRYING TO MAKE THE CASE THAT THEY EACH PLAYED A ROLE IN THIS JOHN. CARL, JUST FROM REPORTING ON DONALD TRUMP FOR MANY YEARS, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. HE DOESN'T USE EMAIL. HE VERY RARELY, YOU KNOW, TEXTS, PEOPLE, IF YOU WILL. BUT IN THIS INDICTMENT AND IT IS SWEEPING IN NATURE. SO WE'RE STILL READING THROUGH IT. THEY DRAW DIRECT CONNECTIONS TO MULTIPLE PHONE CALLS TO PEOPLE IN VERY HIGH RANKING POSITIONS IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA. >> IT GOES DAY BY, DAY BY DAY. I MEAN, JUST TO JUST TO PICK A COUPLE OF THESE THAT HE'S CALLING THE PRESIDENT PRO TEM OF THE GEORGIA SENATE. HE'S CALLING THE GOVERNOR OF GEORGIA, DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF. THERE'S A LOT OF CALLS FROM GIULIANI AND THE OTHERS. TRUMP HIMSELF CALLING THE PRESIDENT PRO TEM OF THE SENATE, CALLING BRIAN KEMP THE GOVERNOR CALLING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. CHRIS CARR, THE GEORGIA ATTORNEY GENERAL, CHRIS CARR CALLING THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IN GEORGIA AND FILLING IN FANI WILLIS, TELLING HER, TRYING TO GET THEM TO VIOLATE THEIR OATHS OF OFFICE BY TAKING PART IN THIS SCHEME TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION. AND KEEP IN MIND, ALL OF THESE CALLS ARE HAPPENING. THE FIRST ONE THAT I CAN SEE HERE FROM FROM THE PRESIDENTS TO BRIAN KEMP, ON DECEMBER FIFTH IS AFTER GEORGIA HAS GONE THROUGH NOT ONE, NOT TWO, BUT THREE SEPARATE COUNTS OF THE BALLOTS. THERE WAS THE ELECTION DAY COUNT. THERE WAS A MACHINE RECOUNT. AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY COUNTED ALL OF THE MILLIONS OF VOTES THAT WERE COUNTED THAT CAST IN GEORGIA BY HAND. AND IT TOOK WEEKS. AND EVEN AFTER ALL OF THAT, HE'S BEGINNING THIS EFFORT TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION. AND OF COURSE, THE KEY MOMENT, THAT PHONE CALL WITH RALPH ERNSBERGER, THAT GETS A LOT OF ATTENTION, ONE OF MANY, MANY CALLS BECAUSE WE HAVE A TAPE OF IT. BUT BUT YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT WAS GOING ON ON ALL OF THESE OTHER CALLS WHERE HE'S SOLICITING ALLEGEDLY, ACCORDING TO THIS INDICTMENT, SOLICITING THESE PUBLIC OFFICIALS, HIGH RANKING OFFICIALS IN GEORGIA TO VIOLATE THEIR OATH OF OFFICE AND TO MAKE FALSE CLAIMS ABOUT VOTER FRAUD. AND SO AS WE WAIT FOR FANI WILLIS HERE, JOHN, LET'S JUST LISTEN TO PART OF THAT PHONE CALL WITH THE SECRETARY OF STATE, RAFFENSPERGER. >> AGAIN, JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF ALL THE PHONE CALLS THAT JOHN POINTS OUT RIGHTLY IN THIS INDICTMENT, THAT FANI WILLIS IS MAKING THE CASE. DONALD TRUMP WAS INVOLVED WITH HIMSELF DIRECTLY, MULTIPLE PHONE CALLS. BUT HERE'S JUST ONE OF THEM. SO LOOK, ALL I WANT TO DO IS THIS. >> I JUST WANT TO FIND. 11,780 VOTES, WHICH IS ONE MORE THAN WE HAVE BECAUSE WE WON THE STATE. >> SO THAT WAS THE ALLEGED PRESSURE CAMPAIGN BEHIND THE SCENES. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE REPORTED ON THAT PIECE OF AUDIO BEFORE. THAT WAS AN EXTENSIVE PHONE CALL, BY THE WAY, THAT FANI WILLIS WILL POINT TO LIKELY OFTEN IN THIS CASE. I WANT TO BRING IN STEVE OSUNSAMI, WHO IS BASED IN GEORGIA, COVERS AS THE NATION. BUT OF COURSE, THE PRESIDENT RACE 2020 AND 2024. NOW STEVE, HARD TO BELIEVE IT'S ALREADY HERE, BUT IN ADDITION IN THIS INDICTMENT, FANI WILLIS IS GOING TO AIM TO TRY TO HOLD NOT ONLY DONALD TRUMP, BUT THESE ALLEGED COCONSPIRATORS, BUT PRIMARILY DONALD TRUMP, RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FALSE STATEMENTS MADE AFTER THE ELECTION. >> THAT'S RIGHT, DAVID. AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, AS A AS A LONGTIME RESIDENT HERE AND SOMEONE WHO WAS HERE ON THE GROUND DURING THE ELECTION OF 2020, DURING ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, I GET A LITTLE PTSD READING THIS DOCUMENT AND HEARING THAT PHONE CALL. I WANT TO POINT YOU, THOUGH, TO PAGE 51, WHERE SHE BREAKS DOWN ALL THE DIFFERENT LIES THAT HE TOLD TO RAFFENSPERGER AND OTHER STATE OFFICIALS LIES AGAINST THE FULTON COUNTY WORKERS, LIES ABOUT DEAD VOTERS, ALL THESE DIFFERENT LIES. FOR THE FIRST TIME, HE IS REALLY BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE HERE IN THIS DOCUMENT, IN THESE CHARGES. AND SO ARE ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE WHO WERE SPEAKING TO HOUSE COMMITTEES, WHO WERE TALKING TO STATE LAWMAKERS, WHO WERE USING THE LIES TO FURTHER THEIR EFFORT. AND ALL OF THAT IS BEING DETAILED HERE. I WILL SAY THAT FOR MANY, MANY, MANY RESIDENTS HERE, THESE ALLEGATIONS THAT ARE BEING UNDERLINED IN THIS DOCUMENT ARE ARE RIGHT ON TIME. THERE IS DEFINITELY A FEELING IN FULTON COUNTY THAT SHE IS DOING GOOD WORK AND THAT AND THAT THAT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHE SHOULD BE THIS, YOU KNOW, POLITS GONE WRONG? WAS IT DIRTY POLITICS? AND WHAT SHE DOES IN THE INDICTMENT, SHE SHE GOES TO GREAT PAINS TO SAY THAT LYING IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT THE ISSUE. BUT LOOK AT PAGE 16 OF THE INDICTMENT. IT SAYS THAT, QUOTE, THE ENTERPRISE MADE FALSE STATEMENTS CONCERNING FRAUD IN THE NOVEMBER NOVEMBER 3RD, 2020, PRESIDENTIAL PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. THE PURPOSE OF THESE FALSE STATEMENTS WAS TO PERSUADE GEORGIA LEGISLATORS TO REJECT LAWFUL ELECTORAL VOTES CAST BY THE DULY ELECTED AND QUALIFIED PRESIDENTIAL ELECTORS FROM GEORGIA. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE LIES HAD AN INTENTION, AND THE INTENTION WERE TO GET THE STATE OFFICIALS TO DO THE BIDDING OF DONALD TRUMP, NOT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. AND THE OTHER THING THAT SHE DOES IS ESSENTIALLY CONVINCE THEM THAT THERE WAS WRONGDOING, THAT THESE AREN'T THE FACTS, AS YOU UNDERSTAND THEM, AND TO GET THEM TO ACT ON IT, TO GET TO THEM, ACT ON IT. >> THAT'S THE ALLEGATION. >> THAT'S THE ALLEGATION. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT SHE DOES IS SHE POINTS OUT THAT IN TERMS OF THE FAKE ELECTORS THAT THESE DOCUMENTS REGARDING THE FAKE ELECTORS WERE ACTUALLY SUBMIT IT TO OFFICIAL MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNMENT. QUOTE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE. THE DOCUMENT WAS REGARDING FAKE ELECTORS WERE GIVEN TO THE ARCHIVIST OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE GEORGIA SECRETARY OF STATE, AND THE CHIEF JUDGE OF THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IT WASN'T JUST THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FAKE ELECTORS BEING INVOLVED IN THE ELECTORAL PROCESS. THEY ACTUALLY SUBMITTED PAPERWORK TO OFFICIALS WHO WERE CONSIDERING THE ELECTION. THOSE THOSE ARE OVERT ACTS, SHE SAID, THAT GO BEYOND FREE SPEECH, THAT GO BEYOND JUST LYING. THEY GO BEYOND BEYOND POLITICS. THEY GO TO, AGAIN, TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE MAKING THE DECISION ABOUT THE ELECTION. THAT'S THE THINGS THAT SHE'S TAKING GREAT PAINS TO DO IN THIS INDICTMENT, MAKING THE CASE THAT THIS WAS A PLAN, THAT THIS WAS A PLAN, AND THE TEAM WAS IN ON THE PLAN. >> YOU KNOW, ONE IMPORTANT POINT OF THAT IS WHO WAS HE TRYING TO PRESSURE? >> WHO WERE THEY TRYING TO PRESSURE? IT WAS ALL REPUBLICANS. THE PEOPLE I LISTED OF THOSE PHONE CALLS, BRIAN KEMP, WHO WE WANT HIM TO HOLD A SPECIAL SESSION OF THE LEGISLATURE TO OVERTURN TURN THE CERTIFIED CERTIFIED ELECTION RESULTS. REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR RAFFENSBERGER, A REPUBLICAN SECRETARY OF STATE, CHRIS CARR, REPUBLICAN ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE , THE REPUBLICAN PRO TEM OF THE OF THE SENATE. THESE WERE REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS. AND IT SHOULD BE SAID IT'S IMPORTANT THEY'RE NOT INDICTED HERE BECAUSE ALMOST TO A PERSON THEY REFUSE TO GO ALONG WITH IT. AND IN FACT, IF YOU LISTEN TO MORE THAN JUST THAT MOMENT IN THE PHONE CALL, THERE ARE MANY TIMES WHEN BRAD RAFFENSPERGER, THE SECRETARY OF STATE, SAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT IS NOT TRUE, MR. PRESIDENT, AND HE WOULD TRY TO MAKE HIS CASE AS TO WHY THEY BELIEVED IN GEORGIA, THAT OUR OUR FINAL TALLY IS ACCURATE. >> AND IT'S PART OF THE PHONE CALL THAT DOESN'T GET A LOT OF ATTENTION. BUT WILL, NOW THAT THIS CASE PLAYS OUT, AS WE AWAIT FANI WILLIS, RACHEL SCOTT, YOU'RE JUST BACK INTO THE STUDIO HERE WITH US FROM THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. YOU WERE IN IOWA JUST THIS WEEKEND. YOU WORKED YOUR HARDEST TO GET SOME QUESTIONS INTO DONALD TRUMP AND HE TOOK THEM AND ONE OF THEM GETS RIGHT TO THE POINT OF WHAT HE'S SAYING PUBLICLY ON THE CAMPAIGN CAMPAIGN TRAIL VERSUS HIS REAL CONCERN. PRIVATELY, JOHN SANTUCCI TALKED MOMENTS AGO ABOUT HOW HE BROUGHT HIS LAWYERS UP FROM GEORGIA TO THEY MET AT BEDMINSTER WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TEAM WHO WERE HELPING SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INDICTED HERE. DONALD TRUMP VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HIMSELF, HIS FUTURE HERE. AND MANY OF THESE ALLEGED COCONSPIRATORS. BUT THE MESSAGE ON THE TRAIL, OBVIOUSLY, AND HIS ANSWER TO YOU WAS VERY DIFFERENT. >> EXACTLY, DAVID. AND THE CORE OF THIS INDICTMENT HERE, THESE FALSE CLAIMS ABOUT THE 2020 ELECTION ARE STILL ONGOING. THIS IS THE CENTERPIECE OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S MESSAGE. NOW AS HE CONTINUES HIS THIRD BID FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. I ASKED THE FORMER PRESIDENT IF HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT SPENDING MORE TIME IN A COURTROOM THAN OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL BECAUSE AS AS WE SEE IT RIGHT NOW, HIS LEGAL CALENDAR BRUSHING UP RIGHT AGAINST THE POLITICAL CALENDAR. DAVID >> SO FANI WILLIS, THE DA THERE IN FULTON COUNTY, GEORGIA, A SWEEPING INDICTMENT. AGAIN TAKING HER POSITION THERE NOW ON THE NATIONAL STAGE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WITH THIS INDICTMENT. NOW, 36 MINUTES AFTER 11:00 IN THE EAST, A LONG DAY THERE IN FULTON COUNTY. LET'S LISTEN. >> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. I'M HERE WITH THE PROSECUTORS AND INVESTIGATORS WHO HAVE WORKED DILIGENTLY ON THE INVESTIGATION OF CRIMINAL ATTEMPTS TO INTERFERE HERE IN THE ADMINISTRATION OF GEORGIA'S 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. ON TODAY , BASED ON INFORMATION DEVELOPED SHAPED BY THAT INVESTIGATION IN A FULTON COUNTY GRAND JURY RETURNED A TRUE BILL OF INDICTMENT, CHARGING 19 INDIVIDUALS WITH VIOLATING LINES OF GEORGIA LAW ARISING FROM A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS OF THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN THIS STATE. THE INDICTMENT INCLUDES. 41 FELONY COUNTS AND IS 97 PAGES LONG. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT EVERYONE CHARGED IN THIS BILL OF INDICTMENT IS PRESUMED INNOCENT . SPECIFICALLY, THE INDICTMENT BRINGS FELONY CHARGES AGAINST DONALD JOHN TRUMP. RUDOLPH WILLIAM LOUIS GIULIANI. JOHN CHARLES EASTMAN. MARK RANDALL MEADOWS. JOHN CHEESBROUGH. JEFFREY CLARK. JENNA LYNN ELLIS. RAY RAY STALLINGS. SMITH THE THIRD. ROB ABBOTT. DAVID SHEALY . MICHAEL A ROMAN. DAVID. JAMES SCHAEFER. SEAN MICAH. TREASURE STEELE. STEPHEN CLIFF GUARD. LEE HARRISON. WILLIAM PRESCOTT. FLOYD TREVEON C COOTIE. SIDNEY CATHERINE POWELL. KATHLEEN AUSTIN LATHAM. SCOTT GRAHAM HALL AND MISTY HAMPTON. ALSO KNOWN AS EMILY MISTY HAYES. EVERY INDIVIDUAL CHARGED IN THE INDICTMENT IS CHARGED WITH ONE COUNT OF VIOLATING GEORGIA'S RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS ACT THROUGH PARTICIPATION IN IN A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE IN FULTON COUNTY, GEORGIA, AND ELSEWHERE TO ACCOMPLISH THE ILLEGAL GOAL OF ALLOWING DONALD J. TRUMP TO SEIZE THE PRESIDENTIAL TERM OF OFFICE BEGINNING ON JANUARY 20TH, 21. SPECIFIC LIKELY THE PARTICIPANTS IN ASSOCIATES IN TOOK VARIOUS ACTIONS IN GEORGIA AND ELSEWHERE TO BLOCK THE COUNTING OF THE VOTES OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTORS WHO WERE CERTIFIED AS THE WINNERS OF GEORGIA'S 2020 GENERAL ELECTION . AS YOU EXAMINE THE INDICTMENT, YOU WILL SEE THREE ACTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS OVERT ACTS AND THOSE THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS PREDICATE ACTS, SOMETIMES CALLED ACTS OF RACKETEERING ACTIVITY, OVERT ACTS ARE NOT NECESSARILY CRIMES UNDER GEORGIA LAW IN ISOLATION, BUT ARE ALLEGED TO BE ACTS TAKEN IN FURTHERANCE OF THE CONSPIRACY. MANY OCCURRED IN GEORGIA AND SOME OCCURRED IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND ARE INCLUDED BECAUSE THE GRAND JURY BELIEVES THEY WERE PART OF THE ILLEGAL EFFORT TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS OF GEORGIA'S 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. THE ACTS IDENTIFIED AS PREDICATE ACTS OR ACTS OF RACKETEERING ACTIVITY ARE CRIMES THAT ARE ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN COMMITTED IN FURTHERANCE OF THE CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE AND ACTS OF RACKETEERING ACTIVITY ARE ALSO CHARGED AS SEPARATE COUNTS IN THE INDICTMENT AGAINST THOSE WHO ARE ALLEGED TO HAVE COMMITTED THEM ALL. ELECTIONS IN OUR NATION ARE ADMINISTERED BY THE STATES, WHICH ARE GIVEN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ENSURING A FAIR PROCESS AND AN ACCURATE COUNTING OF THE VOTES. THAT INCLUDES ELECTIONS FOR PRESIDENTIAL ELECTORS. CONGRESS ICE, STATE OFFICIALS AND LOCAL OFFICES. THE STATE'S ROLE IN THIS PROCESS IS ESSENTIAL TO THE FUNCTIONING OF OUR DEMOCRACY. SEE GEORGIA, LIKE EVERY STATE, HAS, HAS LAWS THAT ALLOW THOSE WHO BELIEVE THAT RESULTS OF AN ELECTION ARE WRONG, WHETHER BECAUSE OF INTENTIONAL WRONGDOING OR UNINTENTIONAL ERROR. TO CHALLENGE THOSE RESULTS IN OUR STATE COURTS. THE INDICTMENT ALLEGES THAT RATHER THAN BY ABIDE BY GEORGIA'S LEGAL PROCESS FOR ELECTION CHALLENGES , THE DEFENDANTS ENGAGED IN A CRIMINAL RACKETEERING ENTERPRISE TO OVERTURN GEORGIA'S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION RESULTS AND SUBSEQUENT TO THE INDICTMENT, AS IS THE NORMAL PROCESS IN GEORGIA LAW, THE GRAND JURY ISSUED ARREST WARRANTS FOR THOSE WHO ARE CHARGED. I AM GIVING THE DEFENDANTS THE OPPORTUNITY CITY TO VOLUNTARILY SURRENDER NO LATER THAN NOON ON FRIDAY MAY THE 25TH DAY OF AUGUST, 2023. I REMIND EVERYONE HERE THAT AN INDICTED IS ONLY A SERIES OF ALLEGATIONS BASED ON A GRAND JURY'S DETERMINATION OF PROBABLE CAUSE TO SUPPORT THE CHARGES. IT IS NOW THE DUTY OF MY OFFICE TO PROVE THESE CHARGES IN THE INDICTMENT. BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. AT TRIAL, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK THE SUPERIOR COURT CLERK, SHAY ALEXANDER, AND HER STAFF FOR STAYING LATE AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS INDICTMENT WAS PROCESSED. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE MEN AND WOMEN OF SHERIFF LAMBERT'S OFFICE FOR KEEPING THE COURTHOUSE OPEN, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, FOR KEEPING US SAFE OVER THE WEEKS AND MONTHS THAT HAVE LED UP TO THIS INDICTMENT. AND FOR WHAT I KNOW, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO TO KEEP US SAFE, WE ALSO WANT TO THANK THE ATLANTA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS WHO HAVE WORKED WITH THE SHERIFF TO KEEP US SAFE. I WILL NOW TAKE A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF QUESTIONS, ONES PRIOR TO GOING TO SLEEP. >> I'LL THE FIRST ITEM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, SAVANNAH LEVINS WITH 1111. QUICK QUESTION. CAN YOU CLARIFY IN GEORGIA THE MANDATORY MINIMUM WHEN IT COMES TO RICO CHARGES, WHETHER IT'S SURVIVAL BY PROBATION OR HOW THAT MIGHT PLAY OUT? >> THE RICO CHARGES HAS TIME THAT YOU HAVE TO SERVE. SO IT IS NOT A PROBATED SENTENCE. >> MADAM DISTRICT ATTORNEY, WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME OF THE TRIAL? >> WHAT IS THE TIMETABLE FOR THE TRIAL? AS YOU KNOW, IN THIS JURISDICTION, TRIALS ARE SET BY THE JUDGES, AND SO IT WILL BE THE JUDGE THAT SETS THE DATE OF THE TRIAL. THIS OFFICE WILL BE SET EMITTING A PROPOSED SCHEDULING ORDER WITHIN THIS WEEK. HOWEVER, THAT WILL TOTALLY BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE JUDGE. >> THEY WANT TO BE THE THROUGH THE FOURTH PERSON, THE FOURTH JURISDICTION ANNOUNCEMENTS. >> I FOR ONE THE CLIENT OR CONTINUED IT UP. >> IF YOU WANT TO BE THE FIRST TO TRY. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY DESIRE TO BE FIRST OR LAST. I WANT TO TRY HIM AND BE RESPECTFUL FOR OUR SOVEREIGN STATES. WE DO WANT TO MOVE THIS CASE ALONG AND SO WE WILL BE ASKING FOR A PROPOSED ORDER THAT OCCURS, A TRIAL DATE WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. >> AND THERE WAS AN EARLIER TODAY THERE WAS A FICTITIOUS DOCUMENT, ACCORDING TO THE FULTON COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE, THAT WAS CIRCULATED ONLINE WITH CHARGES AGAINST FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. >> THOSE THAT FICTITIOUS DOCUMENT MATCHED EXACTLY THE CHARGES THAT WE NOW SEE IN THIS INDICTMENT. >> CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THAT DOCUMENT LEAK? BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S LAWYERS WHO ARE SAYING THAT THIS IS EMBLEMATIC OF A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH YOUR OFFICE. >> NO, I CAN'T TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU REFER TO. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT WE HAD A GRAND JURY HERE IN FULTON COUNTY. THEY DELIBERATED TILL ALMOST 8:00. IF NOT RIGHT AFTER 8:00, AND INDICTED WAS RETURNED. IT WAS TRUE BUILD AND YOU NOW HAVE AN INDICTMENT. I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON CLERK'S DUTIES OR EVEN ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES. I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO WORK THAT SYSTEM. AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO SPECULATE. NEXT QUESTION. AN HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONTACT WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL ABOUT OVERLAP BETWEEN THESE CASES? >> AND DO YOU INTEND TO TRY ALL OF THESE DEFENDANTS TOGETHER? >> DO I INTEND TO TRY THE 19 DEFENDANTS IN THIS INDICTMENT TOGETHER? YES. AND NOW YOU HAD ANY CONTACT WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL ABOUT THE OVERLAP BETWEEN THIS INDICTMENT AND THE FEDERAL INDICTMENT? I'M NOT GOING TO DISCUSS OUR INVESTIGATION AT THIS TIME. I'M GOING TO TAKE ARGUMENTS MADE BY FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP THAT THIS IS A POLITICALLY MOTIVATED I MAKE DECISIONS IN THIS OFFICE BASED ON THE FACTS AND THE LAW. THE LAW IS COMPLETELY NONPARTISAN. THAT'S HOW DECISIONS ARE MADE IN EVERY CASE . TO DATE, THIS OFFICE HAS INDICTED SINCE I'VE BEEN SITTING AS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY OVER 12,000 CASES. THIS IS THE 11TH RICO INDICTMENT. WE FOLLOWED THE SAME PROCESS. WE LOOK AT THE FACTS, WE LOOK AT THE LAW AND WE BRING CHARGES TO RENDER. >> WE TRIED THIS CASE YOURSELF. >> 11 CLEARED TONY WILLIS, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY THERE IN FULTON COUNTY, GEORGIA, SAYING SHE WOULD TAKE A FEW QUESTIONS BEFORE GOING TO SLEEP. A NOD TO THIS MORE THAN TWO YEAR INVESTIGATION AND THIS VERY LONG DAY WORKING TO PRESENT HER CASE BEFORE THIS GRAND JURY. OF COURSE, THERE WAS THE SPECIAL GRAND JURY DURING THE INVESTIGATIVE PHASE OF THE CASE. THIS WAS A SECOND GRAND JURY THAT LOOKED AT THE EVIDENCE, LISTENED TO THE EVIDENCE, AND THEN HANDED UP THAT INDICTMENT LATE TODAY. NOW, SHORTLY BEFORE MIDNIGHT ON A MONDAY EVENING HERE, AND SHE WAS VERY CLEAR HERE. SHE SAID SHE WANTED TO SEE THE DEFENDANT ANSWER TO THESE CHARGES IN COURT. THE DEFENDANTS , BECAUSE THERE ARE 19 NAMED IN THIS INDICTMENT, INCLUDING DONALD TRUMP, BY BY A WEEK FROM FRIDAY. SO SHE GAVE AUGUST 25TH AS THE DATE THAT IS ONE WEEK FROM FRIDAY, SOMEWHERE IN THAT WINDOW. SHE SAID THEY SHOULD BE IN COURT TO ANSWER THESE CHARGES. SHE SAID THAT SHE HAS NO DESIRE TO BE FIRST OR LAST WHEN IT COMES TO THE NUMBER OF CASES THAT WE ARE NOW WITNESSING AS A COUNTRY. THE NUMBER OF CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS AGAINST A FORMER PRESIDENT, OBVIOUSLY HISTORIC IN NATURE. WE SAY IT EVERY TIME WE COME ON THE AIR, SHE SAID. I DON'T NEED TO BE FIRST OR LAST, BUT I DO WANT A TRIAL DATE WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY PUTS THIS BEFORE THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, SHE SAID. THAT IS UP TO THE JUDGE, THOUGH, ENTIRELY, THOUGH SHE'LL MAKE HER OWN CASE. AND SHE WAS ASKED A KEY QUESTION THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT EARLIER HERE ON THE DESK. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS SWEEPING INDICTMENT, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, 19 INDIVIDUALS, INCLUDING THE FORMER PRESIDENT, MY QUESTION EARLIER WAS, WILL WE SEE THEM IN COURT TOGETHER? WILL THEY BE TRIED TOGETHER AS KOKAND TATARS IN THIS CASE, HER ANSWER WAS VERY SIMPLE THERE. SHE SAID YES, I PLAN TO TRY THEM ALL TOGETHER ALL AT ONCE. I WANT TO BRING IN CHRIS TIMMONS AGAIN, FORMER PROSECUTOR IN GEORGIA. CHRIS TIMMONS HAS WATCHED FANI WILLIS HER WORK AS A DEA. SHE HAS USED THIS RICO STATUTE BEFORE. HAS SHE BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH IT? WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE CASE THAT SHE PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT? I KNOW IT'S STILL EARLY. WE'RE STILL ALL READING THIS INDICTMENT, BUT THE FACT THAT SHE LAID IT RIGHT OUT THERE MOMENTS AGO, I WANT TO TRY THEM ALL AT ONCE. >> AND THAT'S NOT SURPRISING. THAT'S PRETTY COMMON IN A RICO CASE. I DON'T EXPECT ALL 19 TO END UP GOING TO TRIAL. I THINK SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS WILL PLEAD GUILTY BEFORE WE GET THERE. PROBABLY IN EXCHANGE FOR COOPERATION. BUT SHE'S DONE THAT IN THE PAST. THE ATLANTA PUBLIC SCHOOLS CASE, THE CASE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WAS A HUGE CASE INVOLVED MULTIPLE DEFENDANTS, MULTIPLE ATTORNEYS. SO IT'S NOT UNPRECEDENTED FOR HER TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S EXPECTED AS FAR AS HER CASE, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. SHE'S GOT AN INDICTMENT THAT THAT LAYS IT ALL OUT. SO SHE DIDN'T NEED TO SAY A WHOLE LOT MORE ABOUT IT. SHE POINTED OUT, AGAIN THAT EVERYBODY IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, BUT THEY'VE GOT A BIG INDICTMENT. THE FACT THAT SHE SUGGESTED SIX MONTHS IS VERY AMBITIOUS TO TRY A CASE LIKE THIS, THAT SUGGESTS THAT PROBABLY BY THE TIME THAT THEY GOT THROUGH THE SPECIAL PURPOSE GRAND JURY AND BY THE TIME THAT THEY PRESENTED THE GRAND JURY TODAY, THEY'RE READY TO GO. >> SHE ALSO MADE IT VERY CLEAR, CHRIS, THAT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS ARE DECIDED AT THE STATE LEVEL. AND WE HAVE OUR OWN RIGHTS AND DUTIES AND WE'RE NOT TO BE INFLUENCED BY A PRESIDENT WHO WANTS TO HOLD ON TO THE WHITE HOUSE. >> AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. AND THAT'S THAT'S AN ACCURATE STATEMENT OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. WE ARE ALL 50 SEPARATE COUNTRIES ALMOST, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, UNDER FEDERAL LAW. AND WE EACH HAVE OUR OWN ROLE TO PLAY WHEN WE ELECT A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. AND SO TO INTERFERE WITH THAT ROLE IS CONCERNING. LET'S BRING IN TERRY MORAN WATCHING THIS EVERY STEP OF THE WAY AS WELL. >> CHRIS TIMMONS, WE'RE GRATEFUL TO HAVE YOU, FORMER PROSECUTOR THERE IN GEORGIA. TERRY, SWEEPING NATURE OF THIS CASE, VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT JACK SMITH LAID OUT BEFORE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS WITH THE JANUARY 6TH RELATED CASE. THE EFFORT TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION. HIS ALLEGATIONS NAMES COCONSPIRATORS NAMES IN THE INDICTMENT, NOT BY NAME, BUT IN ROLE ONLY CHARGING ONLY DONALD TRUMP. HERE WE HAVE A STATE PROSECUTOR, FULTON COUNTY PROSECUTOR, WHO IS NOW NOT ONLY NAMED DONALD TRUMP, BUT 18 OTHERS AS COCONSPIRATORS. SHE SAID SHE'LL TRY THEM ALL AT ONCE. WHAT KIND OF CHALLENGE ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE? >> IT'S BREATH TAKING, DAVID. REALLY, THIS IS JUST AS WE GO THROUGH IT LINE BY LINE AND PARAGRAPH BY PARAGRAPH, WE SEE HOW WE ARE IN PROFOUNDLY UNCHARTED TERRITORY, LEGALLY AND POLITICALLY. THIS IS A FULTON COUNTY PROSECUTOR BRINGING THIS RICO INDICTMENT, THIS RACKETEERING INDICTMENT AGAINST THE PRESIDENT, THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, NOT JUST FOR WHAT HE DID IN GEORGIA, BUT THESE ACTS EXTEND ACROSS THE NATION. AND THEY ARE NOT THE TYPICAL RACKETEERING ACTS. THEY AREN'T AS AS OUR GUEST WAS JUST SAYING EARLIER, BUYING A GUN OR MEETING SOMEBODY IN A PARKING GARAGE OR DOWN ON THE DOCKS AT NIGHT. THESE ARE PRESS CONFERENCES ARE PART OF THE ACTS. TWEETS ARE PART OF THE ACTS, PUBLIC POLITICAL ACTS. THERE'S A CONCERN AMONG MANY IN THIS COUNTRY ABOUT THE WEAPONIZATION OF LAW TO GO AFTER POLITICS. DONALD TRUMP HAS TESTED THOSE LINES ALL THROUGH HIS CAREER AND NOW HE FACES THIS AMAZING, AMAZINGLY SWEEPING INDICTMENT. AND HE WILL HAVE DEFENSES. HE WILL HAVE DEFENSES NOT JUST AGAINST THE NOTION THAT THIS LAW FITS WHAT HE DID, BUT HE'LL SAY, CAN YOU PROVE THAT I INTENDED TO BREAK THE LAW? I WAS GETTING ADVICE OF COUNSEL. THAT'S A SUBSTANTIVE DEFENSE THAT I COULD TRY TO ASK MIKE PENCE TO NOT ACCEPT THE ELECTORAL VOTES. I COULD GO GO TO THE INDIVIDUAL STATES AND ASK FOR A DIFFERENT SLATE OF ELECTORS AS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE IN AMERICAN HISTORY. HE MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE A DEFENSE AGAIN AGAINST THIS SWEEPING INDICTMENT . AND WHATEVER HAPPENS IN COURT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME AND IT'S JUST GOING TO REALLY RILE UP THE COUNTRY POLITICALLY, BECAUSE THIS INDICTMENT ESSENTIALLY ALLEGES THAT FROM THE MOMENT THAT THE VOTING STOPPED, DONALD TRUMP, SINCE EVEN BEFORE DONALD TRUMP WAS RUNNING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE TO TRY TO STAY IN OFFICE, EVERYTHING HE SAID PUBLICLY, EVERY SPEECH HE MADE, EVERY TWEET HE POSTED AND EVERYTHING HE DID WAS IN FURTHERANCE OF A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY. THAT'S HOW AMBITIOUS THIS INDICTMENT IS. AND IT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE EASY TO PROVE, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE A DOZEN, 19 OTHER DEFENDANTS IN THE COURTROOM. COULD TURN INTO THE REPUBLICAN VERSION OF THE CHICAGO SEVEN TRIAL BACK IN THE 1960S, WHICH BECAME SUCH A MADHOUSE IN THAT COURTROOM. >> YEAH, UNCHARTED TERRITORY INDEED. AND TERRY, AS YOU POINT OUT, AND WELL, HIS DEFENSE IN MANY OF THESE ALLEGATIONS WILL BE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO LEAN ON COUNSEL, WHETHER YOU THINK THAT THEY'RE THE APPROPRIATE COUNSEL OR NOT. I CAN LISTEN TO MY LAWYERS WHO SAY I CAN ASK MIKE PENCE, YOU KNOW, TO QUESTION THIS RIGHT. RIGHT THERE ALONG WITH ME WHAT THEY WILL DO, THOUGH, I'M SURE FANI WILLIS AND HER TEAM WAS THAT THEY'LL GO BACK TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE DOCUMENTED PHONE CALLS THAT THEY HAVE WITH DONALD TRUMP INVOLVED IN THE CALL HIMSELF. AND IT'S SO INTERESTING. YOU KNOW, BRAD RAFFENSBERGER, THE SECRETARY OF STATE, THAT'S THE CALL THAT MOST AMERICANS KNOW NOW, WE'VE REPORTED IT INSIDE AND OUT. THAT PARTICULAR CALL WHERE HE SAID, LOOK, ALL I NEED ARE THE 11,780 VOTES. BUT THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO THAT CALL WHERE THROUGHOUT THE CALL YOU HAVE BRAD RAFFENSPERGER SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T AGREE WITH YOU THAT YOU HAVE WON. WE BELIEVE THAT JOE BIDEN WON THE STATE OF GEORGIA. WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS WASN'T AN ACCURATE ELECTION. THEY HAVE THAT SIDE OF THE CONVERSATION, WHICH IS SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, PERHAPS. JACK SMITH HAS, YOU KNOW, OTHER SIDES OF THE CONVERSATION, TOO. BUT THIS CASE IN PARTICULAR LAYS OUT JUST THE SHEER NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS THAT DONALD TRUMP HAD DIRECTLY WITH PEOPLE IN POSITIONS OF SIGNIFICANT POWER TO AFFECT OR HOLD SWAY OVER AN ELECTION. >> AND THAT'S ENORMOUSLY POWERFUL EVIDENCE FOR THE JURORS TO HEAR DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF SAY ALMOST WITH A SNEER IN HIS VOICE. IT'S FELLAS, JUST NEED I JUST NEED 11,000 VOTES. JUST FIND ME THE VOTES THAT SAID, IF YOU LISTEN TO THAT CONVERSATION OR GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE TRANSCRIPT, ONE OF THE THINGS TRUMP IS MAKING IS ARGUMENTS, HIS ARGUMENTS AS TO WHY HE SAYS SAYS HE BELIEVES THAT THE VOTING MACHINES WERE TAMPERED WITH OR THAT THEY WEREN'T, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE'S BEEN TOLD, HE WILL SAY, PROVING A CRIMINAL INTENT, EVEN IN SUCH A CONVERSATION, IS CLEARLY WHAT TRUMP DID WAS AN ATTACK ON THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT IT MEETS THE STANDARD FOR RACKETEERING CONVICTION ON THAT WILL BE BEFORE THE JURY. >> VERY CHALLENGING CASE INDEED, REALLY FOR BOTH SIDES. YOU LAY OUT THE DEFENSE QUITE WELL THERE, TERRY MORAN AND THE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE THAT FANI WILLIS HAS HAD OF HER IN PROSECUTING THIS CASE. ONE THING THAT STRUCK ME AND I KNOW EVERYBODY AT THIS DESK, INCLUDING RACHEL SCOTT, WHO IS GOING TO BE OUT RIGHT BACK ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL PROBABLY TOMORROW, IF I KNOW YOUR NORMAL DRILL. YOU WERE THE ONE WHO PRESSED DONALD TRUMP IN RECENT DAYS ABOUT SPENDING MORE TIME, PERHAPS IN THE COURTROOM THAN ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. AND YOU WEREN'T BEING FLIP. YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE TIMELINE HERE. AND NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER PROSECUTOR WHO SAID, I WANT TO SEE A TRIAL DATE WITHIN SIX MONTHS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WHICH NOW PUTS US WITH JACK SMITH REQUESTING THE MAR-A-LAGO CASE. HAVE BEEN IN SHORT ORDER. AND THEN REQUESTED OF JUDGE CHUTKAN THAT THAT THE SECOND CASE, THE ALLEGED EFFORT TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL ALSO BE TRIED SOON , THAT THE NATION HAS A RIGHT TO A FAIR AND SPEEDY TRIAL. NOT ONLY THE DEFENDANT, BUT THE NATION AS VOTERS. AND NOW WE HEARD IT FROM HER TOO, AS WELL. I'D LIKE IT WITHIN SIX MONTHS. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF I'M FIRST OR LAST, SHE SAID. BUT SOON. >> DONALD TRUMP'S LEGAL CALENDAR IS NOW NOT JUST BRUSHING UP AGAINST THE POLITICAL CALENDAR. IT IS JUST DOWNRIGHT COLLIDING WITH IT. HE HAS TO SURRENDER NO LATER THAN 825. THAT'S TWO DAYS AFTER THE FIRST REPUBLICAN DEBATE. IT'S UNCLEAR IF THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS GOING TO TAKE THE STAGE. JANUARY 2ND IS WHEN YOU HAVE A JUDGE IN A SEPARATE CASE PUSHING TO START THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S, PUSHING TO START THAT TRIAL IN WASHINGTON, DC. THAT'S TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE IOWA CAUCUSES ARE SET TO BEGIN. YOU MENTIONED THE TWO OTHER CASES WE'RE LOOKING AT MARCH, RIGHT AS THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY STARTS TO HEAT UP, THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS MORE LIKELY TO BE SPENDING MORE TIME IN A COURTROOM THAN HE IS OUT CAMPAIGNING. AND SO IN THE SHORT TERM, WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS THAT THESE INDICTMENTS ARE HAVING LITTLE TO NO EFFECT ON DONALD TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN. WE HAVE SEEN THAT HIS SUPPORT HAS GROWN, IN FACT, ACCORDING TO POLLING. BUT THE LONG TERM, THIS IS GOING TO BECOME AN IMMENSE CHALLENGE FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT. THERE'S JUST NO WAY AROUND IT. DAVID, REALLY APPRECIATE IT. >> RACHEL. OUR CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, MARY BRUCE. MARY, SHORTLY BEFORE MIDNIGHT HERE ON A MONDAY, I GATHER THAT'LL BE THE SAME ANSWER I GET FROM YOU ALL THE TIME. WHEN I ASK YOU ANY WORD FROM THE WHITE HOUSE ON THIS LATEST CRIMINAL INDICTMENT? >> NO, DAVID, WE KNOW THE PLAYBOOK BY NOW. THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOT GOING TO COMMENT. THE PRESIDENT'S NOT GOING TO COMMENT, NOR WILL HIS CAMPAIGN OR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. THEY ARE TRYING TO STAY ABOVE THE FRAY ON ALL OF THIS. BUT WHILE THE PRESIDENT HASN'T COMMENTED AND WON'T ON THIS LATEST INDICTMENT, HE HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT HIS VIEWS ON PRESIDENT TRUMP'S EFFORTS TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION THAT BIDEN WON. HE HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE THREAT THAT HE FEELS THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT POSES TO OUR DEMOCRACY. AND HE HAS BEEN VERY BLUNT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS A VERY REAL RISK THAT THIS COULD HAPPEN AGAIN. WE HAVE HEARD JOE BIDEN SAY IN THE PAST WARNING THAT THOSE WHO TRIED TO STOP THE TRANSFER OF POWER BEFORE WILL DO IT AGAIN IN 2024. WE KNOW THAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP CONTINUES TO ARGUE WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE LAST ELECTION WAS SOMEHOW STOLEN FROM HIM. AND POLLING REFLECTS THIS. NEARLY 70% OF REPUBLIC LESSONS IN RECENT POLLING SAY THEY BELIEVE THE LAST ELECTION WAS FRAUDULENT. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY AT THE CENTER OF JOE BIDEN'S REELECTION CAMPAIGN, ARGUING, AS HE DID BEFORE IN THE LAST ELECTION. BUT HE IS GOING TO DO IT AGAIN IN CLAIMING THAT OUR DEMOCRACY IS WHAT IS ON THE LINE IN THIS ELECTION. DAVID. >> MARY BRUCE, OUR CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT. MARY, THANK YOU. I WANT TO GET TO ONE OTHER OF OUR REPORTERS, MEMBER OF OUR INVESTIGATIVE TEAM, OLIVIA RUBIN, WHO WAS INSIDE THE COURTROOM, THE EIGHTH FLOOR THERE IN FULTON COUNTY, WHO WITNESSED IT ALL TODAY. AND EVEN THOUGH THIS INDICTMENT IS SWEEPING 97 PAGES LONG, OLIVIA, AND THERE ARE ALREADY A STRONG HINTS FROM THIS DA, FROM THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE ABOUT THE SHEER AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE THAT IS STILL TO COME HERE. >> WELL, AS WE LOOK AT SORT OF WHERE THE DA HAS BROUGHT THIS INVESTIGATION OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, TWO YEARS, DAVID, AND TALKING TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SORT OF GOING IN AND PRESENTING EVIDENCE, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE PIECES THAT SHE LAYS OUT IN THIS INDICTMENT, IN THESE 96 PAGES THAT REALLY WE HAVE YET TO SEE. SO YOU SORT OF PLAY THAT RAFFENSPERGER CALL AND WE CAN HEAR OURSELVES, THE FORMER PRESIDENT PRESSURING HIM, SAYING, COME ON, FELLA, GIVE ME A BREAK. BUT WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THERE WERE MULTIPLE OTHER CALLS THERE WERE RECORDINGS OF THOSE CALLS. DAVID WHICH JURORS HAVE HEARD AS THEY ARE LOOKING OVER THIS EVIDENCE. BUT THE PUBLIC HAS NOT HEARD YET. SO AS WE GO FORWARD, IT IS LIKELY THAT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE IS JUST MORE AND MORE AND MORE EVIDENCE COME OUT. TEXT MESSAGES, EMAILS, RECORDS OF PHONE CALLS THAT WILL COME OUT IN A STATE THAT IS VERY COMMITTAL TO THE PUBLIC, ACCESS TO COURTS, WHICH IS WHY, AS I WAS IN THERE, THERE WAS A FEED AS WELL, DAVID, THAT EVERYONE COULD SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THERE TODAY. >> OLIVIA RUBIN WITH US, WHO WAS IN THE COURTROOM. SHE'S BEEN THERE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY ON MOST OF THESE CASES, WITNESSING IT FIRSTHAND. OLIVIA, THANK YOU. ASHA RANGAPPA WAS WITH US EARLIER. AND I WANT TO TAKE SOMETHING SHE SAID TO JOHN SANTUCCI, WHO HAS COVERED DONALD TRUMP FOR YEARS FOR US. AND YOU HEARD OUR LEGAL ANALYST ASHA, TALK ABOUT THIS. JOHN THAT THIS IS AT THE STATE LEVEL, THAT THERE AREN'T TALKS, THERE ISN'T TALK OF PARDONS, SAY, FROM THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR IN THIS CASE. EVEN IF DONALD TRUMP WERE REELECTED IN 2024, NOT MUCH HE CAN DO TO GET HIM OUT OF ANY POTENTIAL CONVICTION. AND I WANT TO GET TOO FAR AHEAD OF US. BUT WHEN YOU TALKED EARLIER ABOUT DONALD TRUMP BRINGING HIS LEGAL TEAM UP FROM GEORGIA TO BEDMINSTER TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT HIS CONCERNS HERE AND THAT OTHERS WERE BROUGHT IN OR WHO MIGHT BE CONNECTED TO SOME OF THESE COCONSPIRATORS WHO HAVE NOW BEEN NAMED AND CHARGED IN THIS INDICTMENT. HOW CONCERNED IS DONALD TRUMP ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CASE IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA? EXTREMELY CONCERNED, DAVID. >> AND IT'S BECAUSE THIS IS AN INDICTMENT THAT IS NOT JUST DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP WAS SEEING THE COVERAGE AND KNOWING THIS WAS A CONCERN BROUGHT THOSE LAWYERS UP TO BEDMINSTER. AND REALLY, DAVID WANTED A REALITY CHECK. AND YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE, DAVID, DONALD TRUMP HAD AN ISSUE WITH HIS LEGAL TEAM SEVERAL WEEKS AGO. THEY HAD TOLD HIM THE JANUARY SIX INDICTMENT, IT'S NEVER GOING TO COME NEAR YOU. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED. DONALD TRUMP LEARNED HIS LESSON. HE SAW THE COVERAGE IN GEORGIA, SAW MORE PEOPLE COULD BE INDICTED, WANTED HIS LEGAL TEAM FACE TO FACE AND SAY, WHAT AM I DEALING WITH HERE? WHO ELSE IS GOING TO GET CHARGED? WHERE DO YOU SEE THIS GOING, DAVID? >> JOHN SANTUCCI, OUR THANKS TO YOU. I WANT TO GET ONE LAST WORD HERE FROM STEVE OSUNSAMI, WHO HAS LIVED THIS WITNESS, THIS AS OUR CORRESPONDENT BASED IN GEORGIA. AND STEVE, JUST PICKING UP ON WHAT JOHN KARL SAID A SHORT TIME AGO, VERY, VERY INTERESTING POINT ABOUT THIS CASE AS SO MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NAMED IN THIS INDICTMENT FROM AN EVIDENCE PERSPECTIVE, NOT AS CONSPIRATORS, THEY'RE NOT CHARGED, BUT THE PEOPLE NAMED AS PART OF THE CASE THAT FANI WILLIS LAYS OUT ARE REPUBLICANS IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA WHO STOOD UP TO DONALD TRUMP AND THESE ALLEGED COCONSPIRATORS AND THE PRESSURE CAMPAIGN, AS SHE DESCRIBES IT, TO STEP IN HERE AND HELP US COME UP WITH SOME OTHER RESULT THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT WE'RE STARING AT IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA. AND THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT I'M SURE PEOPLE IN GEORGIA REACT TO IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS OR SO. SO MANY REPUBLICAN FIGURES WHO STOOD UP TO DONALD TRUMP. >> THAT'S RIGHT. REPUBLICAN FIGURES WHO STOOD UP TO DONALD TRUMP AND REPUBLICAN FIGURES WHO ARE ACCUSED IN THIS CASE. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING TO YOU, DAVID. THIS, OF COURSE, AS WE ALL KNOW, IS A FULTON COUNTY CASE. IT WILL BE DECIDED BY A FULTON COUNTY JURY HERE IN VERY BLUE FULTON COUNTY, FANI WILLIS STOOD UP TO THE GIANT. SHE IS BRINGING THE CIRCUS TO TOWN. AND THE QUESTION NOW IS, WILL IT BE WORTH IT? SHE, OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY THINKS SO. >> DAVID, YOU TALK ABOUT BRINGING THE CIRCUS TO TOWN. BIG DIFFERENCE HERE, STEVE. AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT YOUR LIFE IS GOING TO BE LIKE OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS FOR US HERE AT ABC NEWS. WE'RE GOING TO COUNT ON YOU. BUT AGAIN, CAMERAS IN THE COURT, WE SAW WE SAW IT IMMEDIATELY TODAY IN JUST OUR COVERAGE, SITTING HERE AT THE DESK, HOW DIFFERENT THIS IS GOING TO BE. AND FROM THE VERY START. YES THERE ARE CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM HERE. >> SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE SMALL DETAILS. WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE ARRAIGNMENT. WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE PRESIDENT IN COURT. WE WILL SEE ALL OF THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S A FLIP OF THE SCRIPT. IF YOU ARE TO SAY, FROM 2020, WHEN, YOU KNOW, SO MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NAMED IN THESE ALLEGATIONS HAS HAD AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ATTITUDE AND WERE TELLING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT STORIES. AND ACCORDING TO THIS INDICTMENT THAT ARE BEING ACCUSED OF USING THOSE THOSE LIES TO FURTHER THEIR GOAL, IT WILL BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE THE CHANGE IN POSTURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE WITH SOME OF THESE SOME OF THESE SOON TO BE DEFENDANTS. >> STEVE OSUNSAMI, THERE IN FULTON COUNTY, GEORGIA, FOR US TONIGHT. AGAIN, YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING ABC NEWS LIVE COVERAGE TONIGHT OF THIS INDICTMENT HANDED UP BY THE GRAND JURY THIS EVENING, THEN CONFIRMED BY THE CLERK. IT TOOK SEVERAL HOURS, SHE SAID, AND INDICATED IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS THAT SHE WAS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL IN PROCESSING IT. SHE WAS. WE WAITED AND THEN WE GOT THE RESULTS. 19 INDIVIDUALS, INCLUDING THE FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP AND A NUMBER OF OTHER NAMES FROM RUDY GIULIANI TO MARK MEADOWS. ALL NAMES THAT YOU NOW ARE FAMILIAR WITH, GIVEN OUR REPORTING OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, SHE SAID. 19 INDIVIDUALS CHARGED WITH CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA , 41 FELONY COUNTS, 97 PAGES LONG, AND THAT DA FANI WILLIS WAS ASKED JUST A SHORT TIME AGO, DO YOU WANT TO TRY ALL OF THEM AT ONCE? HER ANSWER WAS SIMPLE YES. OUR COVERAGE CONTINUES ON ABC NEWS LIVE ABCNEWS.COM. COM MORE REPORTING ON THIS ON NIGHTLINE FOR MANY OF YOU YOUR LOCAL NEWS. THE TEAMS HAVE BEEN STANDING BY WAITING FOR US TO WRAP UP AND WE ARE NOW SO WE TURN YOU OVER TO YOUR LOCAL NEWS HERE IN THE EAST. THE REST OF YOU WILL RETURN TO REGULAR PROGRAMING AND WE'LL ALL SEE YOU TOMORROW. FOR WORLD NEWS TONIGHT. UNTIL THEN, HAVE A GOOD EVENING. GOOD NIGHT. >> THIS HAS BEEN A SPECIAL
