Triton artificial gill: BUSTED!

a South Korean designer claims to have invented an oxygen mask which can draw air from water as you swim called Triton the mask is a mouthpiece respirator that allows users to breathe underwater simply by biting on the mouthpiece treyton is a gill system that allows you to breathe underwater just like a fish it's got micro lithium batteries the compressor is powered by a micro battery that is supposedly 30 times smaller than its contemporaries but charges a thousand times faster it's got filters that allow the oxygen through but not the water it's so cool it's just like that James one thingy it's sleek it's sexy it's shiny and I got so many requests to debunk this [ __ ] the first thing is there really isn't that much oxygen in water I mean let me just take two identical one liter potholes the one on the Left contains air which is essentially a mixture of about 80% nitrogen and 20% oxygen oxygens the important one because if you don't get that you die so the bottle containing air only has about 200 milliliters of oxygen in it now that might not seem much until you consider that the bottle of water only contains about five to ten milliliters equivalent of oxygen remember mammals unlike fish can actually drown in water yet some of the most successful and largest aquatic animals are still mammals indeed currently the largest toothed predator on earth is a whale it can breathe this rocket fuel oxygen from the atmosphere and then dive a couple of kilometres down into the water a which went a blue local life has access to only a tiny fraction of the oxygen that the whale has access to there it essentially has well the unlimited power compared to the locals so yeah if you could breathe water instead of air Triton is the lethal to find solutions porn innovative approving fifth thing in the water you would have to breathe about 10 to 20 times faster in water than air that's just to keep you alive and seeing is casual breathing is about 10 liters per minute that's about ten of these means that to get that from the water you would have to breathe about 100 liters of water per minute that's the minimum amount of water you would have to put through these artificial gills I mean let me just put this into perspective a hundred liters of water in a minute that's 1.7 liters per second it has to fill about two of these bottles in one second half a second per bottle and my tap when it on full takes about six seconds to fill just one of these bottles so you need to flow about ten times of what's going through this tap is the flow rate you need going through those gills for it to work and that's assuming then you've got a hundred percent oxygen extraction from this water and just a pump that could do that sort of flow rate please about two kilos four pounds or so and runs off a hundred watts our micro battery is a modified lithium ion battery that allows us to swim of we were taiking back in 45 minutes so the pump water for 45 minutes yeah call it an hour means you need a hundred watt hours just to pump the water and that's assuming a hundred percent efficiency oxygen extraction you would need something about the site of a hoverboard lithium-ion battery just to power this now it turns out that your lungs do two things that are really important they allow you to absorb the oxygen and they allow you to excrete carbon dioxide how it might seem counterintuitive but your body is almost insensitive to oxygen concentrations it's the carbon dioxide building up in your blood that gives you that urge to breathe so if you're actually sat in a oxygen poor atmosphere but can quite happily excrete the carbon dioxide you just get no warning you use blackout and die indeed it's actually a quite common way for people to drown even experienced people is they hyperventilate somewhat to increase the oxygen in their blood which sort of works but it more effectively clears out the carbon dioxide from their system so it can happen that you just don't feel the need to breathe because the carbon dioxide levels in your blood just haven't gotten high enough yet but in reality the oxygen levels can be dangerously low the practical upshot is it can be possible under those circumstances to just blackout and frown now for these reasons it turns out that carbon dioxide itself is actually quite toxic indeed if you're breathing an atmosphere that contains about 10 percent of carbon dioxide you're in it unconscious fairly quickly and die and either at this point I would point you to this great video I have on the subject of crazy Russian hacker tries for a Darwin Award where he actually advises people to use solid carbon dioxide to make an air conditioner apart from he filed a bogus DMCA against it about a week ago yeah who would have thought that after what fine brothers thing that a YouTube a popular youtuber a professional youtuber of all people would still be dumb enough to file a DMCA like this but then again maybe I shouldn't be surprised the guy who is dumb enough to try and make an air conditioner from solid carbon dioxide well anyway I filed the counter notice so I guess shortly we'll save YouTube is this eager to give out account strikes for baseless copyright infringement accusations as it ease to give out account strikes for DMCA abuse now the need to get that carbon dioxide out of your system and to get oxygen into it has long been known to divers which led to the first rebreather system you see when you're breathing normally you breathe in the air and you absorb about 25% of the oxygen and you excrete a sort of comparable amount of carbon dioxide and you're done but that means of what you're breathing out about 75% of it is the original unaffected oxygen and that's sort of how skubick hits work sure you're throwing away about 75% of your original oxygen but it's also carrying away the carbon dioxide it's a relatively simple and safe system however that waste got people thinking that if you have a closed system where you actually chemically absorb that carbon dioxide then you wouldn't have to throw away that 75% of the oxygen plus it wouldn't make any bubbles which led to the rebreather kit which is now the breathing kit of choice for the military yes if you're gonna lay mines under somebody else's ships the last thing you want is a load of bubbles coming up alerting the enemy to your actions now the downside to these closed-circuit systems especially in the early days is they were much more dangerous because they used chemicals like potassium superoxide which were great in that when they absorb the common oxide they release oxygen the downside is though that if they got wet wait the skipper turns is maybe a hasn't worried about they would get very hot and give off caustic vapors it has very bad news if that's the only oxygen you've got to breathe and while that still can happen it's much rarer than it was in the early more primitive versions of these kits the modern versions are much safer and widely used and indeed in systems that must be closed like spacesuits they're essential that's the exciting moment opening the hatch it's a 240-mile drop so don't let go wait brings us to the really weird thing about this kid why is it called a rebreather it makes no sense whatsoever the minimum size for a rebreather kit is the volume of your lungs because when you breathe out that gas has to go somewhere which means the minimum size of a rebreather kit is about the volume of your lungs which is significantly larger than this kit and at this point you just got to be honest this is not actually a gill or a rebreather kit at all it's a couple of BMX handlebars glued to a respirator mouthpiece which is why you never see the guy breathe out more than a flue lungful when he's swimming and just so you know this is a 1 liter gas bottle it can hold up to about 100 atmospheres of pressure in practice that means if you were to fill a bottle like this with air it would hold about a hundred liters of air that enough to keep you going underwater for about 10 minutes which brings us on to their micro filtration the oxygen is then extracted by a filter with fine threads and holes smaller than water molecules the excess liquid is then released to which the answer is simply no no no no no no no firstly it's impossible oxygen molecules are bigger than water molecules so how can you have the big molecules going through the filter but the small ones won't I mean this will be like getting a tea strainer and expecting the leaves to go through the filter but have the water stay in the tea strainer then there's the simple practicality you'll recall that you men have a flow rate of water about 10 times this going through this kit well that might be possible if you just pumping water but not if you're gonna put it through are filtered to the nearest analogy would be reverse osmosis where you apply pressure to say salt water and water goes through but this salt doesn't but as many of you will know reverse osmosis is a bloody expensive way of purifying your water because it takes a lot of energy to force the water through that membrane indeed using modern kit it takes about three kilowatt hours to purify one ton of water so that would be about three watt hours per kilo and you need to run a hundred kilos per minute through this which means just a run this sort of kit for just one minute will require about two hoverboard batteries and that's assuming it can be done at all because you know the oxygens bigger than the water that's what they claims about using this hyper efficient micro lithium battery the compressor is powered by a micro battery that is supposedly thirty times smaller than its contemporaries but charges a thousand times faster nah that's just [ __ ] on so many levels firstly if you had a battery that was that much more efficient than current lithium ion batteries the last thing you would need would be in the IndieGoGo campaign because you could just sell a patent to any mobile phone or computer battery manufacturer in the world for a blank check even if by some miracle this was possible you still have to get the gas extracted by the Gil to the correct pressure otherwise you won't be able to breathe it in because a fraction of an atmosphere higher and it'll like they just blow out of your mouth or burst your lungs and a Frenchman or an atmosphere lower and you just won't be able to suck the oxygen out at all that's what all the regulator stuff is about on your regular scuba kit most important obviously being the primary second stage regulator which drops the pressure down again to the surrounding water pressure again he's just really painful to watch something which is obviously [ __ ] get funded to the tune of about a million dollars especially on the back of projects like solar roadways it's technology that replaces all roadways by Lots sidewalks driveways tarmacs bike paths and outdoor recreation services with solar panels and not just lifeless boring solar panels smart microprocessing interlocking hexagonal solar units which about a year after giving their two million dollars we're doing things like this you know seeing solar panels get more energy when they're flat or angle something that's been down since people first started using solar cells something that I managed to replicate in my bedroom with this solar panel from a local hardware store in about 20 minutes okay so she's a really crude example so I got my solar cell hooked up to a multimeter and twin electrolysis cells so basically the more juice it produces the more bubbles you're gonna get here so this is just an example of what it's like when the slot is flat and what you'll see is it's a raise the angle that the volts go up and the number of bubbles go up till I get to that which is basically pointing directly at the Sun just when you hear the most out of your solar panel and that took them over a year the form of these things is sort of emerging is a fairly clear pattern you get some [ __ ] and promote the hell out of it on all media Hussein's correspondence just don't have a clue about what are these that actually reporting on and are effectively just acting as promotional tools for this [ __ ] and then you just watch this suckers empty their wallet and as it turns out this was a bogus idea about two years ago and look at all the revolutionary changes it's undergone since its initial release in 2014 yeah I mean just look at all this promotion by scientific communicators it can't be [ __ ] right actually in this case I've got to give partial credit about half of the people who actually they they cite here a featuring their product expressed doubt about its viability but yeah for the large part now science communicator just means so many basically reports anything a [ __ ] artist wearing a lab coat says by simply replacing your engine with a system that runs on thorium one of the densest materials known to man you'll only need to refuel once a century you may think it's too good to be true but here I am sitting on the proof this chair is made from air carbon a material that's doing its part to protect the Earth's ever warming climate thanks for having me joining me there are a lot of people with opinions about gender but today we science and I hear you do some science and now them Vanessa you could say that so if there's no such thing as a female or a male brain then what's going on with differences that we see in people's behavior so the differences we see in people's behavior are mostly a result of our environment and not our biology fire up the engines they pull the supports down so this stays completely in the same place but there's all this magnetism that's saving everybody while the earth is shaking wildly under it the earth is like okay I'm done the supports come back up everything's good so we were like of course you could probably with a million engines lift anything but that's gotta cost a fortune thirteen dollars and ten cents what's your dream car something fast sleek fuel-efficient mine is all of those and it runs on salt water indeed I'm now almost contemptuous of the name science communicator because more often than not they just end up because of their lack of even the most rudimentary scientific understanding of the subject that men be reporting on being pseudo scientific [ __ ] promoters who just end up undermining the credibility of real scientists you

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Id: S5ep2vUMJt0

Length: 17min 42sec (1062 seconds)

Published: Mon Apr 04 2016

Reddit Comments

[u/Noncomment]

Wow, it's literally just two bike handlebars attached to a real scuba mouthpiece. How did this get almost a million dollars in funding? Is there any screening process for such obvious scams?

[u/Baxterftw]

I knew it as soon as I saw that shit. Like honestly if the military hadn't developed it yet people believe a private citizen could?

Especially the way they described there is no possible way, yet people invested into it. So annoying

[u/MagnusRune]

its SOLAR FREAKIN ROADWAYS! all over again

[u/[deleted]]

The idea of having liquid oxygen in a consumer device is terrifying.

[u/Opher342]

Imagine how massive that thing would have to be to actually be able to filter the volume of air it claims. I'd be like you had a hang glider hanging out of your mouth.

[u/fr0stbyte124]

Some numbers to go with this:

The ideal conditions for oxygen solubility in water is 0°C freshwater, at which point you can dissolve a whopping 14mg/L of oxygen before it starts coming out of solution. A normal human breath doing nothing much is going to contain about 150mg of oxygen and is absorbed with an efficiency hovering around ~25%.

So even if this contraption included an impossibly tiny rebreather that could crank that efficiency up to 100%, you'd still need the oxygen saturation to be 250% of what it can naturally hold just to stay alive making no exertion at all. If you were to try and go diving in the tropics, it would fall short by about twice that margin.

[u/teleekom]

I wonder if indiegogo will just roll with it or what. Because this is pretty terrible advertisement for them

[u/Zcypot]

first time I see TF on reddit, yay.

[u/[deleted]]

You guys are gonna feel pretty silly when I get my rebreather. Seeya later, suckers, I'm going to the bottom of the ocean.