BRIAN, AINSLEY AND STEVE. AINSLEY: LET’S BRING IN TREY GOWDY, FORMER SOUTH CAROLINA CONGRESSMAN AND AUTHOR OF THE BOOK DOESN’T HURT TO ASK, USING THE POWER OF QUESTIONS TO COMMUNICATE, CONNECT AND PERSUADE. HEY, TREY, GOOD TO SEE YOU. TREY: HEY, AINSLEY. AINSLEY: THE PRESIDENT WAS SPEAKING LAST NIGHT ABOUT JOE BIDEN, WHY WON’T HE RELEASE NAMES OF SUPREME COURT NOMINEES. >> NOW I’M ASKING SLEEPY JOE BIDEN TO GIVE ME A LIST AND HE DOESN’T WANT TO DO IT. YOU KNOW WHY, BECAUSE HE CAN ONLY PUT SUPER RADICAL LEFT JUDGES ON PEOPLE THAT WOULD DESTROY THE COUNTRY, PEOPLE THAT WOULD DESTROY YOUR COUNTRY. AINSLEY: TREY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHY WON’T HE RELEASE A LIST? TREY: YOU MAKE ONE PERSON HAPPY AND LOTS OF PEOPLE UPSET. YOU DRAW SCRUTINY AND WHY DID YOU PICK THEM AND NOT SOMEONE ELSE. AINSLEY, WE DON’T NEED THE LIST. WE FOE WHO JOE BIDEN HAS OPPOSED IN THE PAST. JOHN ROBERTS, THE MOST MODERATE PART OF THAT CONSERVATIVE BLOCK. BIDEN VOTED AGAINST HIM. CAN YOU REMEMBER THE LAST GOP NOMINEE THAT BIDEN LIKED. DAVID SUTTER. YOU CAN HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF JURIST HE WILL PICK. BRIAN: ALL RIGHT, SO THE QUESTION IS, THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO NAME SOMEBODY SATURDAY AT 5:00 O’CLOCK, THE PRESIDENT FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. THE REPUBLICANS SAID WE HAVE 51 PEOPLE THAT WILL GIVE IT A HEARING AND CAST A VOTE. IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL, THEY WILL CAST FOR THE NOMINEE. THE RESPONSE FROM THE DEMOCRATS IS OFF THE CHARTS. GET RID OF FILIBUSTER. JOE BIDEN WILL NOT COMMIT TO ANY OF THIS. HE’S BEEN TOLD AND EVIDENTLY THEY ARE MAD AT MARKEY OR NADLER ON BRINGING IT UP. IF HE’S MODERATE, IT SHOULD BE AN EASY ANSWER. IF HE REMEMBERS WHAT HE SAID, IT SHOULD BE EVEN EASIER. HERE HE IS IN 2019. >> I WOULD NOT GET INTO COURT-PACKING. WE HAD 3 JUSTICES, NEXT TIME AROUND WE LOST CONTROL, THEY HAD 3 JUSTICES. WE BEGIN TO LOSE CREDIBILITY THE COURT HAS AT ALL. I WOULD NOT PACK THE COURT. BRIAN: THAT’S A PRETTY LOGICAL ANSWER, WHY CAN’T HE REPEAT THAT IN 2020? TREY: HE MAY NOT REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID. THAT’S A POSSIBILITY. THE OTHER POSSIBILITY IS HE’S JUST BEHOLDING TO THE LEFT. WE’VE HAD THE SAME NUMBER OF JUSTICES FOR 150 YEARS. 9 HAS BEEN JUST THE PERFECT NUMBER FOR THIS COUNTRY FOR 150 YEARS. IF YOU DON’T LIKE WHO THE SUPREME COURT NOMINEES ARE, THEN WIN AN ELECTION. YOU SHOULD HAVE WON IN 2016. PRESIDENT OBAMA, PRESIDENT FOR 8 YEARS, HIS SUCCESSOR LOST. IF YOU WANT TO PICK SUPREME COURT JUSTICES, WIN ELECTIONS. STEVE: YOU’VE GOT TO CONTROL THE WHITE HOUSE AND YOU’VE GOT TO CONTROL THE SENATE AND THEN YOU GET TO DO WHAT YOU WANT AND THE DEMOCRATS DIDN’T GET THE MESSAGE IN 2016. NOW THEY ARE SEEING THAT THAT’S HOW IT WORKS IN THAT TOWN. TREY: WHEN YOU START MESSING WITH THE SUPREME COURT, GO TO 9, THE NEXT GROUP MAY GO TO 7. WHICH TWO ARE YOU GOING TO PICK THAT LOSE THEIR JOBS. THE CONSTITUTION ONLY SAYS ONE. CHIEF JUSTICE. THE REST BY STATUTE, WE’VE HAD 9 FOR 150 YEARS, YOU KNOW, FOR -- DEMOCRATS ALWAYS WORRY THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS UNSETTLING PRECEDENT AND REVOLUTIONARY FIGURE. NOTHING MORE BE MORE REVOLUTIONARY FOR PACKING THE COURT. FDR TRIED IT AND WAS UNSUCCESSFUL. AINSLEY: IT WAS OBAMA THAT SAID ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. TREY: ONLY WHEN HE WINS. AINSLEY: WHAT’S AT STAKE IS WHAT OUR DEMOCRACY ENDURES AND IT’S HOW THEY WIN, DON’T LET THEM. YOUR REACTION. TREY: YEAH, AINSLEY, THAT IS TYPICAL OBAMA. IT IS GRANDIOSE AND NARCKISTIC, HERE IS WHAT HE CAN’T GET HIS HEAD AROUND, AFTER 8 YEARS OF BARACK OBAMA AND A FIELD FULL OF NORMAL REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES, THE REPUBLICANS NOMINATED DONALD TRUMP AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ELECTED HIM. THAT WAS THE ANSWER TO BARACK OBAMA’S 8 YEARS, WE WILL GIVE YOU DONALD TRUMP. THAT’S WHAT HE CAN’T GET HIS HEAD AROUND. HE CAN TALK -- WE ARE A REPUBLICAN AND NOT DEMOCRACY. TYPICAL SELF-CENTERED OBAMA. BRIAN: YOU HAVE A BOOK OF PERSUASION. WHAT IS BETTER FOR REPUBLICANS TO PUT THIS THING TO A VOTE BEFORE NOVEMBER THIRD OR NAME THE PERSON AND LEAVE IT OUT THERE SAYING, IF WE WIN, THIS IS WHO YOU GOT, IF WE LOSE, THIS IS WHO YOU DON’T HAVE? TREY: THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION COMING FROM A GUY THAT WROTE A BOOK ON QUESTIONS. IT MAKES A LITTLE BIT OF SENSE, I THINK, FOR THE PRESIDENT TO SAY THISIS IS MY NOMINEE, JOE, GIVE ME YOURS, WE WILL LET THE PEOPLE WEIGH IN IN NOVEMBER. BUT THE REALITY IS PRESIDENTS ARE PRESIDENTS FOR FOUR YEARS. YOU DON’T HAVE DIMINISH POWER THE CLOSER YOU GET TO SOMEONE ELSE’S NOMINATION. HE CAN WAGE WAR ON THE DAY HE LEAVES OFFICE, YOU CAN INVESTIGATE POLITICAL ENEMIES, WE SAW THAT LAST TIME, RIGHT UP UNTIL YOUR LAST DAY, WHETHER THEY VOTE BEFORE OR AFTER THE ELECTION IS LESS CONSEQUENTIAL TO ME THAN THE FACT THAT THEY VOTE BEFORE THE INAUGURATION. THIS IS PRESIDENT TRUMP’S PICK AND HE’S ENTITLED TO A VOTE. STEVE: NOT CONSEQUENTIAL TO YOU BECAUSE YOU’RE NOT RUNNING FOR REELECTION IN HOTLY CONTESTED RACE BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF SENATORS ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE AND THAT’S WHAT MITCH IS WORRIED ABOUT. BUT YOU KNOW THAT, YOU’RE A POLITICIAN BUT NOW IN PRIVATE PRACTICE AGAIN. TREY: YES, SIR, RECOVERING. STEVE: TREY GOWDY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BRIAN: CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR PODCAST. YOUR PODCAST IS EXCELLENT. TREY: THANK YOU, BRIAN. I WAS WONDERING WHO WAS LISTENING TO IT. YES, MA’AM, YES, MA’AM. UNLESS YOU COME HOME AND RUN FOR GOVERNOR. AINSLEY: I WILL LEAVE THAT TO YOU. I PROBABLY ONE DAY END UP BACK IN SOUTH CAROLINA. I LOVE THAT STATE. BRIAN: RIGHT. I THINK THE -- THE PRESIDENT WANTS TO PUT AINSLEY ON THE SUPREME COURT. YOU WANT HER TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR. NOBODY WANTS YOU AT THIS JOB. TREY: BAD COWORKERS. BRIAN: YOU’RE THINKING ABOUT THE
