Trasimene - history's greatest ambush

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in June 217 BC an extraordinary battle took place this was the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Battle of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font> simony<font color="#E5E5E5"> it is perhaps the biggest ambush</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">ever and perhaps the only</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> example of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> an</font> entire army<font color="#E5E5E5"> being ambushed by an entire</font> army and<font color="#E5E5E5"> that's what I'm going</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to be</font> talking<font color="#E5E5E5"> about in this video which has</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">been sponsored by audible more of that</font> later now the<font color="#CCCCCC"> invasion</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was by one Hannibal</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Barker who had famously taken these</font> elephants<font color="#E5E5E5"> and the rest of his arm it</font> wasn't<font color="#CCCCCC"> just you know thirty seven</font> elephants yeah the loads of<font color="#E5E5E5"> other guys</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">as well over</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the Alps and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> arrived in a</font> place called<font color="#E5E5E5"> Cisalpine Gaul</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it was</font> called sis<font color="#E5E5E5"> Alpine Gaul by</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the Romans</font> now you're<font color="#E5E5E5"> probably familiar with golden</font> you might think well<font color="#E5E5E5"> that's France right</font> but gold was was<font color="#E5E5E5"> more than just that it</font> was where<font color="#E5E5E5"> the Gauls lived they these</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Celtic</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> pika</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> speaking</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people's and the</font> fact that<font color="#E5E5E5"> at the top of Italy today that</font> was<font color="#E5E5E5"> of Cisalpine Gaul sis means our side</font> of<font color="#E5E5E5"> so as far as the Romans were</font> concerned our side of the Alps was<font color="#E5E5E5"> this</font> Alpine<font color="#E5E5E5"> area</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Cisalpine Gaul was the</font> habitat top of Italy<font color="#E5E5E5"> as I said which was</font> full of<font color="#CCCCCC"> goals who were not at all</font> friendly to the Romans<font color="#E5E5E5"> but they were</font> friendly<font color="#E5E5E5"> to Hannibal because he came</font> over<font color="#E5E5E5"> the Alps with</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> an army</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and he said</font> to them right<font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm going to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> take on the</font> Romans who's with me<font color="#E5E5E5"> and a lot of the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Gauls said oh</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> actually we are and part</font> of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the reason</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for this was that they had</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">been fighting quite a lot of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> wars</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">recently with the Romans and not</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> doing</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">terribly well it has to be said and one</font> of the<font color="#CCCCCC"> people who had fought against</font> them was a guy called Gaius Flaminius <font color="#E5E5E5">who had been consul earlier and had</font> brought in a law which allowed Romans to settle<font color="#CCCCCC"> very close to the Gallic</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> lands in</font> the north and sometimes<font color="#CCCCCC"> actually on</font> previously Gallic lands<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have been</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">conquered in wars that he himself had</font> provoked partly by putting settlers very close to their lands<font color="#CCCCCC"> you can see why he</font> wasn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> a popular</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> guy with them so</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">gone north he defeated them and he'd</font> settled<font color="#E5E5E5"> other people on her lands and</font> then<font color="#E5E5E5"> suddenly they turn nasty for no</font> reason at all<font color="#E5E5E5"> but then along came a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Hannibal they thought right we're with</font> this guy and Hannibal<font color="#E5E5E5"> won some major</font> victories in 218 BC and then wintered<font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font> Gaul<font color="#E5E5E5"> amongst his allies and prepared for</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> next year now in winter</font> the norm<font color="#CCCCCC"> in Rome was to elect</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> two</font> consuls<font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Rome</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to be called a king was</font> an insult<font color="#E5E5E5"> because Rome didn't have Kings</font> oh no no no no<font color="#E5E5E5"> Rome had gone past that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Rome was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Republic now</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Rome was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a had a</font> much better Constitution no longer would they be ruled by by tyrants<font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Kings</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">individuals with that sort of power</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> oh</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">no no they had democracy and every year</font> they would elect to consult<font color="#E5E5E5"> and part</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font> the reason they had two consuls<font color="#E5E5E5"> was that</font> that meant that<font color="#E5E5E5"> not too much power would</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">be in one man's hands</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> because these</font> consoles would be the generals<font color="#E5E5E5"> deciding</font> how the<font color="#E5E5E5"> armies for that year would</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> be</font> would be<font color="#CCCCCC"> deployed and each was given</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> an</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">army of equal size and these were meant</font> to of course oppose Hannibal now the <font color="#E5E5E5">previous year Tiberius Sempronius longus</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">had been in command</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> at trivia and trivia</font> answer it was a decisive<font color="#CCCCCC"> victory for</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Hannibal's armies</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that was quite a</font> shock<font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the Romans cuz the Romans were</font> used to<font color="#CCCCCC"> winning because</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> well they're the</font> Romans right<font color="#E5E5E5"> we always</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> win they thought</font> but they were<font color="#E5E5E5"> wrong when</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they came</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> Hannibal<font color="#CCCCCC"> the co consul at the time was</font> Publius Cornelius<font color="#CCCCCC"> Scipio who was the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">father of Publius Cornelius</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> kippie</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Oh</font> who was the one<font color="#E5E5E5"> who became</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Skippy</font> africanus who eventually<font color="#E5E5E5"> would be the</font> guy who beat Hannibal at the Battle of Zama but that wouldn't happen<font color="#E5E5E5"> for</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">another seventeen years or so so those</font> armies were handed over and<font color="#E5E5E5"> of course</font> the one which got handed to<font color="#CCCCCC"> flaminius</font> was the one which had been<font color="#E5E5E5"> commanded by</font> Sempronius which had been beaten up at <font color="#E5E5E5">revere and the men in that army were</font> very keen to avenge themselves<font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> clear to lift the the burden<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> shame if</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you like off this off their shoulders</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">ten thousand of them</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> had cut their way</font> out<font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the Battle of Troy beer</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but the</font> rest of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the army had been annihilated by</font> the Carthaginian forces and so they were not not they're not<font color="#E5E5E5"> in Rome's good books</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">these men these men had</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> had failed Rome</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">but they had an opportunity</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> now under</font> their new<font color="#CCCCCC"> commander Flaminius</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to avenge</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that that shame and they were very keen</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> do just that and get to grips with</font> the enemy and<font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Flaminius was the guy</font> to lead them because he was<font color="#E5E5E5"> well putting</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it unkindly</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">a rabble rouser</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you could call him</font> and a lot of<font color="#CCCCCC"> ancient historians</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> didn't</font> refer to him as an orator<font color="#CCCCCC"> or</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the man of</font> the people<font color="#E5E5E5"> but that actually is possibly</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">their way of saying rabble</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> rouser it's</font> the way of<font color="#E5E5E5"> diminishing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> him now the</font> battle that<font color="#CCCCCC"> Flaminius then went</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to fight</font> and lose and<font color="#E5E5E5"> diet was a catastrophe</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> mean<font color="#CCCCCC"> try beer was bad but holy cow</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">surely will get him now and then try</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">simony was another annihilation</font> inflicted upon the Roman<font color="#E5E5E5"> state by this</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this invader</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> this mysterious</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> man who</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">seemed almost undefeatable at this point</font> Hannibal Barca<font color="#CCCCCC"> so the Romans had to come</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">up with an explanation for why this</font> disaster happened and there are number ways<font color="#CCCCCC"> he can</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> do this one is religion and</font> with<font color="#CCCCCC"> Flaminius</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it seems that he he</font> handed this this one to them on a plate <font color="#CCCCCC">because</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it seems that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> flaminius was not</font> a great stickler<font color="#CCCCCC"> for religion</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so for</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">instance when</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> elected consul he</font> went right<font color="#E5E5E5"> I must get to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> my army and off</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">he went</font> leaving room without having<font color="#E5E5E5"> carried out</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the various religious rituals that were</font> supposed to<font color="#E5E5E5"> be carried out by</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a consul</font> before going out to<font color="#CCCCCC"> war and they sent</font> messages<font color="#CCCCCC"> after him</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> saying hey come back</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">we haven't done all the rituals you know</font> you know you've<font color="#CCCCCC"> done that and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> set fire</font> to stuff and burnt animals<font color="#CCCCCC"> what have you</font> come<font color="#E5E5E5"> on do it properly but</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he said</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> no</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">arrive at the water fight at</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> least that</font> is what<font color="#E5E5E5"> we</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> are told but we're told an</font> awful lot of<font color="#E5E5E5"> other things which is</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">probably</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> not</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> true so it's difficult to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">know what</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to believe</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and what not</font> we've only got<font color="#CCCCCC"> just a couple</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font> historical sources to go on you can't dig up<font color="#CCCCCC"> this sort</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of stuff with a trowel</font> no<font color="#E5E5E5"> archaeology</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is going to settle this</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">one so he went out there and there were</font> omens all they were bad omens for instance<font color="#CCCCCC"> so he was thrown from his</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> horse</font> says Livie<font color="#CCCCCC"> and there's another story</font> about how they tried<font color="#CCCCCC"> to move the</font> infantry standard and and they nobody <font color="#E5E5E5">could move the standard that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was just</font> planted in the<font color="#E5E5E5"> ground as though the gods</font> themselves<font color="#CCCCCC"> had magic kicked in magic</font> dick<font color="#E5E5E5"> magic it into place and by this</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">were hinting to the Romans don't go to</font> battle because bad stuff will happen<font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> yet he did go<font color="#E5E5E5"> into battle so presumably</font> they were eventually<font color="#E5E5E5"> able to move the</font> standard<font color="#E5E5E5"> so either a the gods are a bit</font> rubbish<font color="#E5E5E5"> and that all that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> powerful</font> really<font color="#E5E5E5"> income keep standards in one</font> place<font color="#CCCCCC"> for any length of time or be it</font> didn't actually happen<font color="#E5E5E5"> or not quite like</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> anyway the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> point is that they were</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">trying to blame him and another thing</font> you<font color="#E5E5E5"> can do</font> there's the religious<font color="#E5E5E5"> thing he's saying</font> always<font color="#CCCCCC"> I wasn't pious enough that the</font> gods were against<font color="#E5E5E5"> us you can also say</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">all the guy was an idiot</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you see because</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">he didn't listen to reason</font> now we<font color="#E5E5E5"> upper class people we were</font> telling<font color="#E5E5E5"> him oh for goodness sake</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">know don't don't attack</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Hannibal on your</font> own<font color="#CCCCCC"> that's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> madness don't let him provoke</font> you into a fight<font color="#CCCCCC"> that that would be a</font> rash<font color="#E5E5E5"> act of a hothead instead wait for</font> your<font color="#CCCCCC"> co console who was there</font> I'm not very<font color="#E5E5E5"> good</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> with names okay I'll</font> get<font color="#E5E5E5"> this I'll get this he was a sick</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">denier Servilius gay -</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that's the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> father</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">so instantly when you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> read histories</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font> will very<font color="#CCCCCC"> often get confused as I have</font> been on<font color="#E5E5E5"> numerous occasions by remand</font> commanders apparently changing names or being<font color="#E5E5E5"> different guys well where's this</font> other guy<font color="#E5E5E5"> so for instance you'll read</font> loads of accounts of trivia where the Roman<font color="#CCCCCC"> commander is called longus and</font> other accounts where he's called Sempronius<font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah he was Tiberius</font> Sempronius longus but people<font color="#E5E5E5"> tend not to</font> use<font color="#CCCCCC"> the whole name then just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> pick one of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">them</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the convention for which of the</font> names to pick has changed<font color="#E5E5E5"> over the years</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">since the confusion</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> anyway so civilian</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">as I shall call him was the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> co-consul</font> and these two armies and one under civilian<font color="#E5E5E5"> one under</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> flaminius</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> had gone</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">out to check the the advance of</font> Hannibal's army<font color="#E5E5E5"> from the north</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but they</font> had reckoned without<font color="#E5E5E5"> Hannibal's amazing</font> bold and innovative style<font color="#E5E5E5"> and just as</font> Hannibal had surprised all<font color="#E5E5E5"> Romans by</font> going<font color="#E5E5E5"> over the Alps</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> when and though</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he</font> wasn't expected to<font color="#E5E5E5"> and suddenly</font> appearing in northern Italy he did it again<font color="#CCCCCC"> he did another amazing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> March</font> there's much less<font color="#E5E5E5"> famous going through</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> the marshes of the round the the</font> river<font color="#CCCCCC"> arno</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> sometimes called the honest</font> marshes he marched his entire army including lots of<font color="#E5E5E5"> Allied goals for four</font> days<font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> three nights wading through</font> water<font color="#E5E5E5"> have you ever done anything you</font> ever stayed awake<font color="#CCCCCC"> for four complete days</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I imagine it was you were things were</font> pretty<font color="#E5E5E5"> desperate</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> if you did they</font> couldn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> rest because that they were</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">wading through water</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and I'm sure with</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that number</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people and</font> amount of<font color="#E5E5E5"> area there must have been some</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">little patches of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> dry ground for some</font> people to rest<font color="#E5E5E5"> sometimes but you're</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">supposed to keep moving because they had</font> to outmaneuver<font color="#E5E5E5"> the Romans so they</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">couldn't stay anywhere for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> very</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> long and</font> there was never<font color="#CCCCCC"> going to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be enough dry</font> ground for the whole army<font color="#CCCCCC"> to rest or</font> even large sections of<font color="#E5E5E5"> it and history</font> records<font color="#E5E5E5"> men squabbling over a dead horse</font> someone found<font color="#E5E5E5"> that a dead horse and you</font> could actually<font color="#E5E5E5"> just what the two guys</font> could could get on top of<font color="#CCCCCC"> the dead horse</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">above the the water and just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have a</font> little<font color="#E5E5E5"> bit of rest</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> out of the water for</font> just<font color="#E5E5E5"> a short while</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so they had to wade</font> through through<font color="#CCCCCC"> you imagine me just not</font> only<font color="#E5E5E5"> would you be awake</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for four days</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">but you're marching for four days</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">carrying a lot of equipment</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">there's your armor and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> your weapons and</font> you would<font color="#E5E5E5"> have to carry food and other</font> stuff with you so you're carrying a lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> of stuff and</font> the conditions were<font color="#CCCCCC"> terrible you're</font> going through<font color="#E5E5E5"> a sticky Marsh it's mud</font> it's<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> fawn bushes</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it's it's just a</font> horrendous thought and according to <font color="#CCCCCC">polybius</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a lot of people particularly</font> Gauls<font color="#E5E5E5"> died the gulls are supposed</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> have died<font color="#E5E5E5"> in greater numbers partly</font> because they<font color="#E5E5E5"> were less fit for the</font> journey not direct<font color="#E5E5E5"> the strong</font> professional soldiers of the caste unions but also because they<font color="#E5E5E5"> were at</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">towards the back in the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> mane of the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">column</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and so the ground that they had</font> to go through<font color="#CCCCCC"> had been churned up by the</font> army ahead of them which made everything stickier and just worse and a lot of <font color="#E5E5E5">them got stuck and drowned so he lost</font> part<font color="#E5E5E5"> of his army but he was able</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> carry<font color="#E5E5E5"> out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> carry out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> amazing journey</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">out maneuvering</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the Romans and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he got</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">past civilians army and he executed what</font> some<font color="#CCCCCC"> historians have said is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the first</font> strategic<font color="#E5E5E5"> turning movement in history I</font> find that a little<font color="#E5E5E5"> bit of an outlandish</font> claim but<font color="#E5E5E5"> the point is he got between</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the Flaminius and Rome cutting</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Flaminius off from his source of supply</font> and further provoking him so Hannibal was thought<font color="#CCCCCC"> to be contained</font> in the north<font color="#E5E5E5"> and then suddenly he's</font> bypassed one army and threatened the other and cut off Rome and how the heck did<font color="#CCCCCC"> he get there</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> well through this</font> amazing<font color="#E5E5E5"> bold stroke</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> at this point</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">animals</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> down to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just the one</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> elephant</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">which he himself is supposed to have</font> rode ridden ridden through the marshes so that suggests<font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a little</font> bit drier than a lot<font color="#E5E5E5"> of the other people</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> his army but he didn't go off all</font> that<font color="#CCCCCC"> lightly because</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it's at this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> point</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that he suffered an eye infection which</font> eventually lost in the sight<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> one eye</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and a lot of people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> picture him with an</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">eye patch</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in the graphic novel</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> don't know if I've mentioned<font color="#E5E5E5"> this before</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">but I in collaboration with Christopher</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Steiner</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and producing a graphic novel</font> called<font color="#E5E5E5"> in search of Hannibal</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> which is</font> yes if you backed it in the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Kickstarter</font> campaign<font color="#CCCCCC"> it is late</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> sorry about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that it</font> is<font color="#E5E5E5"> late it's coming along quite nicely</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we both radically underestimated</font> just how long<font color="#E5E5E5"> it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> would take to to do</font> this project<font color="#CCCCCC"> but hang in there it you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> will see your graphic novel anyway</font> in in that we took the design<font color="#E5E5E5"> decision</font> not to go<font color="#E5E5E5"> with the eye patch but instead</font> to have one<font color="#E5E5E5"> stuff milky eye so he has a</font> this<font color="#E5E5E5"> quite powerful gaze of eyes of</font> different<font color="#CCCCCC"> colors you know bit David</font> Bowie<font color="#E5E5E5"> anyway</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so he managed to</font> outmaneuver the the Romans and he<font color="#CCCCCC"> then</font> did everything he<font color="#CCCCCC"> could to provoke</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Flaminius one reason is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that he wanted</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> fight</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> flaminius and Flaminius his</font> army on his own he didn't want the two Roman armies joining up<font color="#CCCCCC"> because that's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">just a bigger opponent to have to fight</font> so how could<font color="#E5E5E5"> he get this hothead to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">fought to to fight him now well one</font> thing he did was<font color="#E5E5E5"> March his army right</font> past the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Roman camp</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in a very</font> provocative manner<font color="#E5E5E5"> and fuming</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Flaminius</font> didn't budge at that point<font color="#E5E5E5"> his officers</font> we are told<font color="#E5E5E5"> are all telling him don't</font> don't wait<font color="#CCCCCC"> for reinforcements wait for</font> civilians wait for your<font color="#E5E5E5"> co-counsel to</font> get here don't don't play<font color="#CCCCCC"> Hannibal's game don't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">don't let him provoke you into fighting</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">under his terms</font> we've both we join<font color="#CCCCCC"> up we Romans</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and then</font> we fight<font color="#E5E5E5"> him at a time</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of our choosing</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">on a location of our choice so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that you</font> let's do<font color="#E5E5E5"> it that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> way let's do it</font> properly<font color="#CCCCCC"> but if you remember the men</font> under<font color="#CCCCCC"> Flaminius were keen to revenge</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">themselves of the defeat</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of trivia</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so</font> they were really<font color="#E5E5E5"> keen for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a fight and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Flaminius was able to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> say right and</font> going<font color="#E5E5E5"> with the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> mood of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">my army</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you a lot I'm not gonna listen</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to come on guys</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you're all you're</font> all willing<font color="#E5E5E5"> right let's go another thing</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">which provoked</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> flaminius into action was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that Hannibal was deliberately</font> devastating the Roman countryside as he went<font color="#E5E5E5"> he was smashing up villages laying</font> waste to farms stealing all the flocks and herds and setting<font color="#E5E5E5"> fire to all the</font> farmsteads<font color="#CCCCCC"> and everywhere he went there</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">was the smell of smoke</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and this was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">another provocation can you imagine if</font> all the local<font color="#E5E5E5"> villages are being</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> smashed</font> up and you are the local commander <font color="#CCCCCC">Flaminius and you are</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> doing nothing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> off</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the shame if things go wrong later</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> the people<font color="#E5E5E5"> could all point at you and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">say you should have</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> done something</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> right</font> what he<font color="#E5E5E5"> wasn't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> going to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be the guy who</font> was pointed<font color="#CCCCCC"> out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for having done</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> nothing</font> so he wasn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> to do something so he</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> gave</font> chase<font color="#E5E5E5"> and Hannibal and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we are told that</font> Hannibal<font color="#CCCCCC"> did love his</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> own scouting</font> sometimes even disguised as a<font color="#E5E5E5"> native</font> sometimes even wearing<font color="#E5E5E5"> a wig</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he found a</font> really<font color="#E5E5E5"> good place for an ambush</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and that</font> was the north shore of<font color="#CCCCCC"> Lake</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Yosemite now</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">70 is a very big</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> lake</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and if you look at</font> maps of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the battle in loads of online</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">sources and in loads of books as well I</font> include for instance<font color="#CCCCCC"> the one</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Wikipedia page and so forth</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they're</font> pretty much all wrong well<font color="#E5E5E5"> almost</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">certainly wrong in that the strip of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">land between the hills and the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> North</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Shore of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Joe simony was actually much</font> narrower in<font color="#E5E5E5"> Hannibal's time</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a lot of the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the lake is lower and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a lot of the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">farmland has been drained</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and so the</font> distance between<font color="#E5E5E5"> the lake and the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hills</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">today is much greater but it was a</font> narrower strip of land however<font color="#CCCCCC"> this is</font> really good farmland<font color="#CCCCCC"> this is good</font> sloping drained land with a lake nearby <font color="#CCCCCC">it's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> south-facing and it's sheltered</font> with loads of hills to<font color="#CCCCCC"> the north so this</font> was this was prime farmland how many farms<font color="#CCCCCC"> weather in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this period</font> nobody can say but it's reasonable<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> imagine<font color="#E5E5E5"> that there were quite a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> few good</font> farms there and so as<font color="#CCCCCC"> he went</font> devastating his way along this the strip of<font color="#E5E5E5"> land it was a tremendous provocation</font> to the Romans<font color="#E5E5E5"> oh look we're devastating</font> all this prime farmland<font color="#CCCCCC"> what are you</font> going to<font color="#E5E5E5"> do about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> well</font> Flaminius<font color="#E5E5E5"> gave chase and</font> Hannibal was able<font color="#CCCCCC"> to go the length</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> valley but now here I'm speculating</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I'm imagining that he would have to</font> clear that<font color="#CCCCCC"> valley</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of all the locals who</font> might<font color="#E5E5E5"> warn the Romans of the impending</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the impending ambush in which case he</font> would presumably start by sending<font color="#E5E5E5"> his</font> cavalry<font color="#E5E5E5"> galloping to the far end of the</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> valley and cutting everyone off and</font> then just<font color="#E5E5E5"> capturing everyone in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Valley</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> history</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> doesn't say that he did</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this but he must have done something to</font> prevent the locals from warning<font color="#E5E5E5"> the for</font> the pursuing Romans about what was about to happen<font color="#CCCCCC"> so he</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> then went to the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> other</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">end</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the east end of the the valley up a</font> hill<font color="#E5E5E5"> and then pitched a camp lit loads</font> of fires in it carried<font color="#E5E5E5"> on past that then</font> marched the army background<font color="#E5E5E5"> into the</font> hills which were wooded<font color="#E5E5E5"> and set his</font> ambush now of<font color="#E5E5E5"> course you couldn't March</font> your army straight into the ambush positions because well if you<font color="#CCCCCC"> imagine an</font> army of tens of<font color="#E5E5E5"> thousands</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of men</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be</font> pretty<font color="#E5E5E5"> easy to track</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> them</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> wouldn't it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> be</font> pretty<font color="#E5E5E5"> easy</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">see all these footprints they all go</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">into that wood</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> up there</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you have to be</font> very<font color="#CCCCCC"> easy</font> I<font color="#E5E5E5"> mean role play gaming terms I</font> definitely give you a plus<font color="#E5E5E5"> two on your</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">track role</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so he went all the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> way up all</font> along the line<font color="#CCCCCC"> that he wanted the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Romans</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to march on up on a hill</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and then round</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of sight and into the ambush</font> positions he himself was at the eastern end of<font color="#CCCCCC"> the of the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> uncle of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the valley</font> this this strip<font color="#E5E5E5"> of land this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Shore</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> near</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the camp with a lot of his best troops</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Cars jeans and some skirmishes which</font> he used<font color="#CCCCCC"> Institute to some degree to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">provoke the the Romans and he got loads</font> of men to light loads of fires in the camp<font color="#E5E5E5"> and keep them lit throughout the</font> night and the next<font color="#CCCCCC"> day and they were</font> just to make the place look busy they were like candles to attract the moths they were just to give the the Romans<font color="#E5E5E5"> something to march towards oh yes</font> way off in<font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> distance there those</font> fires there<font color="#E5E5E5"> that must be where the army</font> is okay<font color="#E5E5E5"> and let's march towards it well</font> hidden<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the wooded uplands were lots</font> of cavalry<font color="#E5E5E5"> and lot</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of Gauls and those</font> goals<font color="#CCCCCC"> if you remember</font> super keen to get<font color="#E5E5E5"> revenge Flaminius</font> himself was somewhere we are<font color="#E5E5E5"> told in the</font> middle of the<font color="#E5E5E5"> column now the Roman</font> column you may<font color="#CCCCCC"> have seen a lot of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> books</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">about how the Romans you would would</font> organize<font color="#CCCCCC"> themselves on the March and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Romans were really good</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> marchers at the</font> height of<font color="#CCCCCC"> the empire they would have</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">good</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> well-formed up units marching in</font> formation<font color="#E5E5E5"> and ready at a moment's notice</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Wieland</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and form into units in case</font> of a sudden<font color="#CCCCCC"> attack</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they had screening</font> troops they had<font color="#E5E5E5"> Scouts and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> outriders and</font> so forth and so it was extremely <font color="#CCCCCC">difficult to catch</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> them on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the hop and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">even if you did catch them on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the hop</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">they could get into a useful formation</font> pretty quickly but<font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was later it's</font> this battle we<font color="#E5E5E5"> think it's Trasolini</font> which teaches<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Romans how to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> march</font> now<font color="#E5E5E5"> as far</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> as we know the Roman units at</font> the head<font color="#E5E5E5"> of the column</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> were reasonably</font> formed and were reasonably effective<font color="#E5E5E5"> as</font> well and some<font color="#E5E5E5"> of them managed to fight</font> their<font color="#CCCCCC"> way out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of the ambush and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> escape</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">perhaps 6,000 of them something</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that but most</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of the column behind which</font> seems to<font color="#E5E5E5"> have been stretched for about</font> four miles<font color="#E5E5E5"> it seems that it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was a pretty</font> ragtag load of guys just<font color="#E5E5E5"> walking along</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">because</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they weren't expecting a battle</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I mean you can't average an entire army</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">with another entire army I mean that's</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">just bonkers no one's ever</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> done that so</font> how<font color="#E5E5E5"> did the ambush start well a lot of</font> writers<font color="#E5E5E5"> talk about trumpets and</font> obviously<font color="#E5E5E5"> but because I'm pretty</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> sure</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that there's no mention of trumpets in</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> ancient texts but a lot of</font> translators when they're translating into English<font color="#E5E5E5"> they think they know stuff</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">so they know for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> instance the in Roman</font> times<font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was standard to signal using</font> trumpets the Roman army would<font color="#CCCCCC"> be</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> told</font> when<font color="#CCCCCC"> to get</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> up in the morning when to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">eat</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> meal or when to strike the camp</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">when to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> attack and so forth with</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> all</font> sorts of different<font color="#CCCCCC"> trumpets signals so</font> when the Carthaginians were signal to attack<font color="#CCCCCC"> it it just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> thought the trumpets</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">were used but if you've</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> got a</font> translation<font color="#E5E5E5"> that has trumpets in then</font> it's<font color="#CCCCCC"> probably</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> not an accurate literal</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">translation of the the ancient Greek I</font> suspect<font color="#E5E5E5"> that no trumpets were used at</font> all<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's a spectacular</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> idea though isn't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it that</font> you're walking<font color="#CCCCCC"> along do badoo badoo is</font> suspecting<font color="#CCCCCC"> nothing and then suddenly</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">trumpet jumping trip the trumpet you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">hear these trumpets and then the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> son</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">avalanche of goals and cavalry coming</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">down at you all at</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> once</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but I suspect</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that actually it was much more up to the</font> initiative<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the local commander</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he's</font> looking down<font color="#E5E5E5"> from his little</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> bit of the</font> valley and he's<font color="#E5E5E5"> picking the time and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">place to attack and that way he can</font> sneak up on<font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and it was possible to</font> sneak up because of a bit of<font color="#E5E5E5"> luck that</font> Hannibal<font color="#E5E5E5"> had could he have counted on</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this we don't know of course</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but the</font> likelihood<font color="#CCCCCC"> is that it was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> largely luck</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that there was mist coming off the lake</font> that morning<font color="#E5E5E5"> now it was a still</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> bay</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> as</font> you<font color="#E5E5E5"> can</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> imagine with</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a large lake you</font> might get mists forming in the morning and those<font color="#CCCCCC"> mister be quite quite flat and</font> those could drift<font color="#E5E5E5"> onto the shore and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that would mean that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the Romans marching</font> close to the lake if they looked up there just<font color="#E5E5E5"> see mist wouldn't see a lot</font> so they<font color="#E5E5E5"> wouldn't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> see the ambushes</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that's</font> to the advantage of the Carthaginians the<font color="#CCCCCC"> caffeine's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> looking down about to be</font> able<font color="#E5E5E5"> to see something</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> oh look there</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Romans coming in there and I could see</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">some Romans there so</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> presumably in</font> between the two<font color="#E5E5E5"> points there are loads</font> of Romans there must have been<font color="#E5E5E5"> they've</font> been<font color="#E5E5E5"> walking along there for last</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> ten</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">minutes okay time to attack guys and</font> then you'll be<font color="#CCCCCC"> able to get really quite</font> close to the Romans if you're reasonably stealthy about<font color="#E5E5E5"> it and you may say well</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">surely the Romans would</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have heard them</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">yeah well the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Romans are in a very large</font> body<font color="#CCCCCC"> of men walking along and there are</font> cavalry as well with the Romans so if you<font color="#E5E5E5"> hear some hooves and footfalls and</font> so forth<font color="#E5E5E5"> that's just more hooves and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">more footfalls it's very difficult I</font> imagine<font color="#CCCCCC"> to tell the difference</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> between</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">40,000 footfalls and and and who</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> falls</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> 60,000</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I would imagine they sound</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">pretty similar so it's quite possible</font> that there were no trumpets used and that the the battle started<font color="#E5E5E5"> in lots of</font> little bits<font color="#E5E5E5"> now the cavalry was</font> stationed towards the western end of of the the<font color="#E5E5E5"> battlefield and they cut off the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Roman retreat and then the Gauls</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">attacked the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> center</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and the goals were</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">as you might imagine terribly keen</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Flaminius was very</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hard-pressed and well</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">let's uh let's see what Livy has got to</font> say about<font color="#CCCCCC"> Fluminense's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">fate at this point he says now for three</font> long and bloody hours<font color="#E5E5E5"> the fight</font> continued so this is three hours<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font> essentially<font color="#CCCCCC"> to hacking</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> most of the time</font> Hannibal<font color="#CCCCCC"> kazumi didn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have to do</font> anything<font color="#E5E5E5"> at all to stand on the hill and</font> and listen to the din think seems<font color="#E5E5E5"> to be</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">going quite</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> well but it's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> very misty I</font> can't tell<font color="#E5E5E5"> still everything's fine</font> most furiously<font color="#E5E5E5"> of all around the person</font> of<font color="#CCCCCC"> Flaminius</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> his best troops kept</font> constantly<font color="#E5E5E5"> at his side and he</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was always</font> quick<font color="#CCCCCC"> to bring</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> support at any point</font> where he saw the men in trouble<font color="#CCCCCC"> or</font> likely to be overwhelmed his dress<font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> equipment some translators say<font color="#CCCCCC"> Armour</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">made him a conspicuous figure oh yeah as</font> I<font color="#CCCCCC"> said at this point in several online</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">accounts of this battle</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I've read people</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">putting in as fact that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Flaminius was</font> wearing the scalps<font color="#E5E5E5"> of dolls</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on his</font> helmet another thing that's impossible<font color="#E5E5E5"> but I</font> know where that comes from it<font color="#CCCCCC"> comes</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> from an epic poem written</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 300</font> years later<font color="#CCCCCC"> by a poet</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> with the schoolboy</font> comedy name of wait<font color="#E5E5E5"> for it</font> Silius<font color="#E5E5E5"> italic</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Asst</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yep that was actually</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">his name and he puts that in there and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that I would say is not</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a reliable</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">source so I think it's just you're</font> trying to make the scene<font color="#E5E5E5"> even more</font> spectacular<font color="#CCCCCC"> than it already</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was an enemy</font> attacks<font color="#CCCCCC"> where as determined as the</font> efforts to<font color="#CCCCCC"> save him</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and so it continued</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">until a mounted trooper and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> insu</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Brehon</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the insu Berets were one of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the the</font> Celtic tribes in the north of<font color="#E5E5E5"> what isn't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">today</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Italy named</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and this is a very</font> suspiciously<font color="#CCCCCC"> Latin sounding name</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Duke</font> arias<font color="#E5E5E5"> recognized his foe calling to his</font> fellow<font color="#E5E5E5"> tribesmen there is the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> console</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he</font> cried who destroyed our legions<font color="#E5E5E5"> legions</font> really and laid our towns and<font color="#CCCCCC"> our fields</font> in ruin<font color="#CCCCCC"> I will offer</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> him as a sacrifice</font> to<font color="#CCCCCC"> the ghosts</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of our people Fowley slain</font> did<font color="#E5E5E5"> he really made that speech</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to think</font> anyone was<font color="#CCCCCC"> there to write it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> down mmm</font> putting<font color="#E5E5E5"> Spurs Spurs really translator</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Spurs it's putting Spurs to his horse he</font> galloped through the thickest of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">press cut down the armor bearer who had</font> tried<font color="#E5E5E5"> to check his murder</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">intent and drove his Lance</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> some</font> translation I read yesterday<font color="#CCCCCC"> talked</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">about having having his having a couched</font> Lance<font color="#E5E5E5"> on his</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Lance rest</font> that's very nineteen<font color="#CCCCCC"> armor</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a bit like</font> the Spurs<font color="#E5E5E5"> his murders and drove his last</font> through<font color="#CCCCCC"> flaminius his body only</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> shields of some veterans of the reserve prevented him from stripping<font color="#E5E5E5"> the corpse</font> very spectacular<font color="#E5E5E5"> stuff how much</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> credence</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">do I give to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the story of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> do carries</font> actually very little<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's possible it's</font> possible<font color="#CCCCCC"> but other</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> sources don't mention</font> it<font color="#E5E5E5"> and how</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> would</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you really know but</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> possible and if I were</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in for</font> instance<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the graphic novel they want</font> to put a<font color="#E5E5E5"> detail</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like that in I can</font> always<font color="#E5E5E5"> say it words in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Livi I have that</font> excuse<font color="#E5E5E5"> but I'm also trying to make my</font> own<font color="#E5E5E5"> historical judgments and go with</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">what I think is reasonably likely but it</font> does correspond with<font color="#E5E5E5"> a detail which I do</font> believe which<font color="#CCCCCC"> is that after</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the battle</font> Hannibal tried to<font color="#CCCCCC"> find</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Flaminius body sent out</font> men to look for him and his<font color="#E5E5E5"> body was not</font> found<font color="#E5E5E5"> and this is supposedly upset</font> Hannibal who wanted<font color="#E5E5E5"> to give him a decent</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">burial</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I believe this for several reasons but</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">perhaps</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Chiefs of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> chief among them is</font> that this characteristic<font color="#E5E5E5"> of Hannibal's</font> keeps coming up again<font color="#CCCCCC"> and again in</font> sources written<font color="#E5E5E5"> by Romans Romans who are</font> trying<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> portray</font> Hannibal<font color="#CCCCCC"> as this beast</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this this cruel</font> lying cheating<font color="#CCCCCC"> ambushing cunning</font> terrifying enemy and yet<font color="#E5E5E5"> he keeps trying</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to give his enemies decent burials</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> not</font> just<font color="#CCCCCC"> flaminius</font> Flaminius though you had other<font color="#CCCCCC"> things to</font> be remembered<font color="#CCCCCC"> by he had a circus named</font> after him<font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a big road</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and so forth</font> and of course his controversial law so the<font color="#CCCCCC"> boggy flaminius wasn't found and if</font> that's that easy to believe<font color="#CCCCCC"> i can</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">imagine that some of the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> goals would</font> know who he<font color="#CCCCCC"> was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and even</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> if they didn't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">know exactly who</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> as an individual</font> person they would<font color="#E5E5E5"> have marked him it all</font> that's<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> commander there and perhaps</font> they<font color="#E5E5E5"> would all of wanted a bit of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> him</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> he could have been chopped up for</font> trophies amongst the the<font color="#CCCCCC"> Gauls so</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">perhaps there was nothing</font> much left to<font color="#E5E5E5"> find</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so that's what</font> happened to poor old<font color="#CCCCCC"> flaminius after</font> three<font color="#E5E5E5"> hours of hacking the mist lifted</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and this sheer scale of the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Roman</font> disaster or Carthaginian<font color="#CCCCCC"> triumph</font> depending on how you want<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> look at it</font> became apparent<font color="#E5E5E5"> always it's a problem</font> that saying<font color="#E5E5E5"> how many people died and how</font> many gone away and so forth<font color="#CCCCCC"> but we do</font> know<font color="#E5E5E5"> roughly</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> how big</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the armies were so</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">yeah we can we can we've got numbers</font> within<font color="#E5E5E5"> which</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to play and something</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">15,000 Romans were killed something like</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">10,000 of them</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> were scattered across the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">region and turned up in dribs and drabs</font> over the course of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the next few weeks</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">making it back in ones and twos to Rome</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to other places</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> safety about</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">6,000</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of them as a body cut their way</font> out<font color="#CCCCCC"> but were later surrounded by the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> by</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Hannibal second-in-command ma hobble in</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">on a hill and they then surrendered to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">maharba and the story goes that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> muhabba</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">said right okay yes if you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> surrender you</font> will<font color="#CCCCCC"> be spared and if you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just lay</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> down</font> your<font color="#CCCCCC"> arms</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> can't have one garment apiece</font> that's it so presumably<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's just you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and your tunic is what he's saying and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">he then came back</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to Hannibal who was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">apparently a bit annoyed that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> maharba</font> land<font color="#E5E5E5"> struck a deal without his authority</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and say</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> history's although taken</font> with a very large pinch of salt <font color="#CCCCCC">Hannibal then went against the deal that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">maharba</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that struck and captured them</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> sold</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> them into slavery</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> or their</font> various faiths<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was supposedly meted</font> out on these<font color="#E5E5E5"> Romans</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I suspect that's</font> another slur against Hannibal<font color="#E5E5E5"> but yeah</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">how much of a Pro Hannibal bias do I</font> have I have I should admit<font color="#E5E5E5"> to some</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">because he was definitely</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the underdog</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">he was taking on with a tiny army</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> might of<font color="#CCCCCC"> Rome and he defeated them over</font> and<font color="#CCCCCC"> over</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> over again and here's the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">thing every time he defeated the Romans</font> he just got<font color="#E5E5E5"> a tiny tiny tiny bit closer</font> to his goal<font color="#E5E5E5"> if the Romans</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have ever</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">defeated him that would be in it this</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">was it was the the playing field was was</font> tilted so much against Hannibal<font color="#E5E5E5"> one</font> defeat would have<font color="#E5E5E5"> just ended Hannibal's</font> entire campaign but despite<font color="#E5E5E5"> winning</font> victory after victory after victory against<font color="#E5E5E5"> the Romans the Romans kept</font> sending<font color="#CCCCCC"> out new armies for this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> battle</font> they recruited two legions<font color="#E5E5E5"> in a day for</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">another battle</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> later on they recruited</font> four legions<font color="#CCCCCC"> in a day it must have been</font> it must have felt to<font color="#CCCCCC"> Hannibal like</font> fighting the Hydra you<font color="#CCCCCC"> chopped</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> off a</font> head and<font color="#E5E5E5"> another</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> two just grow back</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">anyway this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was an enormous victory and</font> one<font color="#E5E5E5"> detail</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that I imagined that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Hannibal</font> didn't miss was that so confident of victory<font color="#CCCCCC"> were the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Romans that a lot of</font> civilians<font color="#CCCCCC"> had been</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> following the the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">army with cartloads of fetters ready to</font> bind all those slaves that<font color="#E5E5E5"> they</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> were</font> bound to capture from<font color="#CCCCCC"> the enemy yeah and</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> must have when you see a cartload</font> of fetters<font color="#CCCCCC"> that must really</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> bring it</font> home<font color="#CCCCCC"> to you yeah if this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> had gone wrong</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that would have been our fate but</font> Hannibal<font color="#E5E5E5"> was actually quite lenient in</font> victory<font color="#E5E5E5"> certainly to the half of the</font> army which<font color="#CCCCCC"> was made up not of Roman</font> citizens<font color="#CCCCCC"> but of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Latin allies of of Rome</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">these were people from Latin</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> States that</font> had been<font color="#E5E5E5"> conquered</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> by Rome and forced to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">fight for Rome become part of the Roman</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">army and he said to them I am NOT here</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to make</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> war on you and he set them all</font> free<font color="#CCCCCC"> so it's a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> very large</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> number of</font> captives he just set free so they could <font color="#E5E5E5">then go home and tell those that their</font> families<font color="#E5E5E5"> and so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> forth</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Oh</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> actually</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you know this guy is he says he's not</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">making war</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on us</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what he</font> wanted he<font color="#CCCCCC"> wanted those men to sow the</font> seeds of rebellion<font color="#CCCCCC"> because if he could</font> get<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Latin States to to rebel against</font> Romans and to split away<font color="#E5E5E5"> from Rome that</font> would have halved<font color="#CCCCCC"> Rome's military power</font> at a<font color="#E5E5E5"> stroke so that was a major part of</font> his long-term<font color="#E5E5E5"> strategy so he'd taken</font> loads of prisoners he'd set out his <font color="#E5E5E5">political stall and he he'd killed a lot</font> of Romans in the<font color="#CCCCCC"> mist</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and one of the</font> ways I know about<font color="#CCCCCC"> all this is that I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">have read not just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the ancient sources</font> such as Livie and<font color="#CCCCCC"> Polybius there if you</font> read to living<font color="#CCCCCC"> polybius</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the other ones there are others but</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">those are to start with but I've also</font> read more recent stuff<font color="#E5E5E5"> like for instance</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this one</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it's a biography</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> military</font> biography of Hannibal<font color="#E5E5E5"> by someone who</font> reveled<font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> sure</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm guessing now</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font> I'm<font color="#E5E5E5"> sure he reveled in the name of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Theodore</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Harold</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Dodge</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what a name</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and this is I would</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">say probably</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the book</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> well that is the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">first volume of the the series to which</font> I apart<font color="#E5E5E5"> from the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the ancient sources</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">which I referred most when researching</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the graphic novel this is a very nice</font> military<font color="#CCCCCC"> look at the campaign and it's</font> written<font color="#E5E5E5"> by a man who was an officer</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font> the American Civil<font color="#CCCCCC"> War and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so he knew</font> his marching<font color="#E5E5E5"> and logistics and so forth</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and knew how to assess ground 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make</font> a good story<font color="#CCCCCC"> but at around</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the time of</font> the battle there was a massive <font color="#E5E5E5">earthquake that laid ruin not actually</font> to Rome<font color="#CCCCCC"> but to a lot of Italy</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and a lot</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">of towns got rubble dat this point and</font> so it seems that<font color="#CCCCCC"> the gods were angry</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">because what could cause an earthquake</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">other</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> than God</font> would they<font color="#CCCCCC"> be angry well what's</font> happening right now what<font color="#E5E5E5"> we have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> an</font> invader<font color="#CCCCCC"> in our</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> midst</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and we have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Flaminius who didn't carry</font> out the right rituals and the gods love their rituals and so maybe that's<font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">reason</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it's it's amazing who got blamed</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">oh there was a vestal virgin who</font> supposedly had broken her vows so let's do something civilized like bury them alive<font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you see this is one</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of the</font> real<font color="#E5E5E5"> and other reasons why possibly why</font> I'm a<font color="#E5E5E5"> little bit</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> pro Hannibal is that</font> the Romans were<font color="#E5E5E5"> not nice</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people you know</font> crucifixion<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's not nice and they did</font> it a lot<font color="#E5E5E5"> they really did it a lot and</font> they had an awful lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> of slaves</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and they</font> did<font color="#E5E5E5"> not treat their slaves terribly well</font> other<font color="#E5E5E5"> slave owning civilizations have</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">been much</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> nicer to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what slaves they had</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and yeah you didn't want to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be a bun for</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the most part you really didn't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> want to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">be a Roman slave so that was the biggest</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">ambush in terms of the number</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of men</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">involved and quite possibly</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the only</font> example of an entire army<font color="#CCCCCC"> and wishing</font> another entire army<font color="#E5E5E5"> so how dramatic is</font> this from Hannibal's point of view um I would say <font color="#CCCCCC">not tremendously because all</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he had to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">do was just make sure that his immediate</font> units didn't get overrun<font color="#CCCCCC"> I can</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> manage</font> his skirmishes just to provoke the the Romans<font color="#E5E5E5"> and keep the Romans coming give</font> them some some activity up ahead oh there's a bit of<font color="#E5E5E5"> a fight over there</font> let's walk<font color="#CCCCCC"> towards that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but that was</font> really<font color="#E5E5E5"> all</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just a distraction so that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the Gauls</font> could do the work of killing the enemy and the Gauls suffered the most<font color="#E5E5E5"> in terms</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">of casualties</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he lost himself only</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">between about one and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a half thousand to</font> two and a half thousand<font color="#E5E5E5"> mostly from the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Gauls</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and he could afford</font> Hannibal could afford to<font color="#E5E5E5"> lose far more</font> goals than<font color="#E5E5E5"> he could have his own</font> precious<font color="#CCCCCC"> units so that's perhaps why he</font> kept the the<font color="#CCCCCC"> flower of his</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> his troops</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">close to the camp not actually doing all</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> much</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> leave</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> leave the Gauls to do it</font> because<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> goals were</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> really keen and</font> the goals clearly<font color="#E5E5E5"> didn't get too annoyed</font> at him for doing most of the<font color="#CCCCCC"> work and takin most of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the casualties because they were still</font> allied to him for the next<font color="#E5E5E5"> battle at can</font> I [Music] you
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Channel: Lindybeige
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Keywords: battle, lake, trasimene, second punic, hannibal, rome, romans, carthaginians, gauls, cisalpine, celts, flaminius, ducarius, march, marsh, eye, elephant, arno, arnus, history, ambush, strategy, consul, decoy, lure, trap, tactics, cavalry, italy, hide, campfires
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Length: 37min 59sec (2279 seconds)
Published: Sat Mar 24 2018
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As you probably know the battle of lake Tarsmine or Trasemine ,it depends on the source ,was one of the major battles of the second Punic war and this video explains it realy well .

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