"TOP STORY" STARTS RIGHT NOW. >>> GOOD EVENING. TONIGHT, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY HAS HAD ENOUGH, THREATENING TO EXPEL PRO-PALESTINIAN DEMONSTRATORS WHO TOOK OVER ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDINGS.
IT COMES AFTER CLASHES IN THE IT COMES AFTER CLASHES IN THE WAR IN GAZA CONTINUE TO ESCALATE ACROSS THE U.S. YOU CAN SEE HERE, COLUMBIA, THE EPICENTER OF THESE RECENT DEMONSTRATIONS, REALLY IS NO STRANGER TO POLITICAL UNREST. ON THIS EXACT DAY BACK IN 1968, STUDENTS OCCUPIED HAMILTON HALL PROTESTING THE U.S.' ROLE IN THE VIETNAM WAR. FLASH FORWARD TO LAST NIGHT, STUDENTS STORMED AND OCCUPIED THAT SAME BUILDING THROUGH THEIR FIGHT, ALTHOUGH THE FIGHTS ARE DIFFERENT, DRYING PARALLEL. 60 YEARS LATER, OVERNIGHT, DOZENS OF PROTESTERS BROKE WINDOWS AND STORMED THE
BUILDING, USING FURNITURE TO BUILDING, USING FURNITURE TO BARRICADE THE ENTRANCE. NEW YORK CITY MAYOR ERIC ADAMS SAID THAT THE PROTESTS AT COLUMBIA HAVE BEEN "CO-OPTED" BY PROFESSIONAL OUTSIDE AGITATORS. DOZENS OF STUDENTS ARRESTED AFTER THEY BROKE THROUGH BARRIERS INTENDED TO GET THEM OUT OF ENCAMPMENTS. THE SCHOOL FORCED TO CANCEL CLASSES ON THE FINAL DAY OF THE SEMESTER. THE UNIVERSITY IS GRAPPLING WITH THE SITUATION JUST DAYS AND WEEKS OUT FROM COLLEGE GRADUATION. TONIGHT, SO MANY SENIORS FACING UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THEIR CEREMONY. AND OVERSEAS, CEASE-FIRE TALKS APPEAR TO BE GAINING SPEED. THE WHITE HOUSE PRESSING HAMAS TO ACCEPT THE DEAL.
CURRENTLY, BEING NEGOTIATED. CURRENTLY, BEING NEGOTIATED. BUT, TODAY, BENJAMIN NETANYAHU VOWED TO INVADE RAFAH WITH OR WITHOUT A HOSTAGE DEAL. WE START WITH ERIN McLAUGHLIN AND THE LATEST AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY. >> Reporter: TONIGHT, TENSIONS AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY REACHING A NEW HIGH, WITH THE SCHOOL THREATENING EXPULSION AFTER PRO- PALESTINIAN PROTESTERS STORMED INTO THE HAMILTON HALL OVERNIGHT, AFTER IN 6-YEAR-OLD PALESTINIAN GIRL WAS KILLED IN GAZA. STUDENT JOURNALIST, JOSEPH WAS ON THE SCENE. >> I THINK WHEN ONE OF THE PROTESTERS BROKE ONE OF THE WINDOWS, THAT IS WHEN IT SET IN FOR ALL OF US THAT HISTORY WAS REALLY UNFOLDING FOR US. >> Reporter: IN A STATEMENT TODAY, THE UNIVERSITY SAID IT IS ABOUT RESPONDING TO THE ACTIONS OF THE PROTESTERS, NOT THEIR CAUSE. THE PROTESTERS POINTED TO THE HISTORIC OCCUPATIONS OF THE HALL, AND REITERATED THE KEY DEMAND THAT THE UNIVERSITY DIVEST FROM THE ZERO, WHICH COLUMBIA SAYS IT WON'T DO, AND HE SAYS HE WAS PUSHED AWAY WHEN HE TRIED TO STOP THE PROTESTERS. >> I CERTAINLY WAS A LITTLE AFRAID. BUT, YOU KNOW, I ALSO JUST FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT SOMEONE DO SOMETHING. I WOULD NOT AT ALL. >> Reporter: STUDENT PROTESTERS FORTIFYING THEIR POSITION INSIDE THE HALL, FOISTING SUPPLIES TO THE TOP. COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY HAS SO FAR REFRAINED FROM CALLING BACK THE POLICE, BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE AT UT AUSTIN. WITH PROTESTERS BACK ON CAMPUS TODAY, FOLLOWING YESTERDAY'S CLASHES, WHICH RESULTED IN 79 ARRESTS. AT CHILEAN UNIVERSITY, PROTESTERS CLASHED WITH POLICE ON HORSEBACK, AND AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA CHAPEL HILL, TENSE MOMENTS. NATIONWIDE, MORE THAN 1200 HAVE BEEN ARRESTED SO FAR AS THE CALL FOR UNIVERSITIES TO DIVEST FROM ISRAEL GROW LOUDER. >> WE DESERVE TO KNOW WHERE OUR MONEY IS GOING, WHERE ARE RESOURCES ARE GOING, WHAT ARE UNIVERSITY IS INVESTED IN. >> Reporter: TODAY, THE WHITE HOUSE WRITING, "PROTESTS MUST BE PEACEFUL AND LAWFUL. FORCIBLY TAKING OVER BUILDINGS IS NOT PEACEFUL, IT IS WRONG." HOUSE SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON CALLED ON CAMPUS IS TO CRACK DOWN. THIS IS AS UNIVERSITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY STRUGGLE TO BALANCE FREE SPEECH AND HATE SPEECH. >> I WENT TO CLASSES WITH, AND
DINNERS WITH, THAT ARE CHANTING DINNERS WITH, THAT ARE CHANTING FOR THE ERASURE OF THE JEWISH STATE AND THAT IS MY FAMILY SO I DO FEEL A LITTLE HEARTBROKEN BY THIS. >> Reporter: COLUMBIA PROFESSOR WAS LOCKING ARMS ON MONDAY WITH FELLOW FACULTY MEMBERS TO PROTECT STUDENT PROTESTERS. >> THE DIVESTMENT QUESTION HAS BEEN ON THE TABLE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND NOT ONLY WITH RESPECT TO THE CONFLICT IN PALESTINE. TO ME, IT IS A LEGITIMATE TOOL. >> ERIN JOINS US TONIGHT FROM COLUMBIA'S CITY CAMPUS. SO, THE NYPD HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE NOT TOO LONG AGO. WHAT DID THEY SAY ABOUT THE SITUATION IN HAMILTON HALL, AND IS THERE A TIMELINE TO HAVE PEOPLE REMOVED? >> Reporter: WELL, SO FAR, NO TIMELINE HAS BEEN MADE PUBLIC, AT LEAST, TOM. MAYOR ERIC ADAMS SAYING THAT HE BELIEVES THE EXTERNAL ACTORS ARE INFLUENCING THE STUDENT PROTESTERS INSIDE OF THE CAMPUS WHEN THE POLICE IN THAT PRESS CONFERENCE WERE ASKED ON THE NUMBER OF ACTORS, THEY SAID THEY DO NOT HAVE A NUMBER AT THIS POINT. COMPLICATING THE MATTER IS THAT SOME OF THE SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE HASN'T ACTUALLY COVERED INSIDE THE UNIVERSITY ITSELF. MAYOR ERIC ADAMS URGING ALL PARENTS TO CALL THEIR STUDENTS, URGING THEM TO LEAVE THE CAMPUS IMMEDIATELY FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY, THOUGH SO FAR THE UNIVERSITY HAS NOT CALLED AND ASKED THE POLICE FOR THEIR HELP, WHICH IS REQUIRED GIVEN THAT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY IS PRIVATE PROPERTY. >> ERIN, GOING BACK TO THAT STUDENT IN YOUR STORY, CHARLIE, WHO SAID HE WAS PUSHED AWAY BY PROTESTERS. IT SEEMED LIKE HE WAS ALLUDING TO FEELING LIKE HE SHOULD DO SOMETHING BECAUSE IT WAS GOING ON, ALMOST AS IF THE PROTESTERS WERE COMMITTING SOMETHING CRIMINAL. DOES THAT HELP -- HOW STUDENTS FEEL ON CAMPUS? >> Reporter: YOU KNOW, CHARLIE WAS REALLY UPSET BY WHAT UNFOLDED IN THE OVERNIGHT HOURS. HE FEELS THAT THIS PROTEST HAS DIMINISHED THE UNIVERSITY'S REPUTATION, THE UNIVERSITY THAT HE SAID HE WORKED EXTREMELY HARD TO GET INTO. HE IS A FOURTH-YEAR STUDENT, HE IS EXPECTED TO GRADUATE.
HIS PARENTS ARE DUE TO FLY FROM HIS PARENTS ARE DUE TO FLY FROM KERA -- CALIFORNIA TO NEW YORK FOR HIS COMMENCEMENT, THAT COMMENCEMENT NOW IN QUESTION. HE SAID HE DIDN'T GET A HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION BECAUSE OF COVID, SO HE IS EXTREMELY UPSET. THAT IS ONE VIEWPOINT. THERE ARE OTHER STUDENTS ON CAMPUS THAT SUPPORT THE PROTEST, SUPPORT THE ENCAMPMENT AND THE PROTEST MOVEMENT. >> ERIN McLAUGHLIN FOR US. WE APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT. >>> FOR MORE ON COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY AND THE UNIVERSITY ON CAMPUS, WE ARE JOINED TONIGHT BY A STUDENT JOURNALIST WHO ALSO IS A FORMER INTERN FOR "TOP STORY" AND IS A SENIOR AT BARNARD COLLEGE, WHICH IS AFFILIATED WITH COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY. SO, I WANT TO START, YOU WERE AT HAMILTON HALL LAST NIGHT, YOU WERE COVERING THIS FOR NBC NEWS AND AS A STUDENT JOURNALIST. WHAT WAS THAT LIKE, AND WHAT DID YOU WITNESS? >> Reporter: HI, TOM. YEAH, LAST NIGHT I GOT ON SCENE AROUND 12:30 AND I SAW A BROKEN WINDOW. THERE WAS A HUMAN CHAIN FORMED IN FRONT OF HAMILTON HALL, WHICH IS A BILLING I HAVE HAD SEVERAL CLASSES IN, TINY CLASSROOMS. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, AT FIRST. IT WAS RELATIVELY CALM, AND THEN STUDENTS CAME IN WITH TRASH CANS AND BENCHES FROM OUTSIDE AND BEGAN TO PUSH OPEN THE DOORS. AND THE HUMAN CHAIN WAS SORT OF MOVING WITH THEM TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE INSIDE, AND YOU COULD SEE LIGHTS GOING ON, AND STUDENT ORGANIZERS PUTTING
FLAGS OUT OF THE WINDOWS. FLAGS OUT OF THE WINDOWS. THEY PUT UP A SIGN SAYING BEES, AFTER THE SIX-YEAR-OLD KILLED IN GAZA, AND THEN, AFTER THAT, THERE WAS SINGING. THERE WAS A MOMENT OF CHAOS, A
MOMENT OF MOBILIZATION, AND MOMENT OF MOBILIZATION, AND THEN IT WENT TO SINGING, AND I WAS THERE UNTIL 4:00 A.M. SINGING, CHANTING, HYMNS FROM
THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT STUDENTS WERE SINGING. >> WE ARE LOOKING AT VIDEO THAT YOU SHOT, I BELIEVE ON YOUR iPHONE, AS YOU WERE COVERING THIS. YOU ARE A STUDENT THERE, AS WELL. I KNOW YOU ARE THERE AS A JOURNALIST, SO I WILL KEEP THE QUESTIONS TO WHAT YOU SAW AND WHAT YOU WITNESSED. FROM THE OTHER STUDENTS TALKED TO -- SOME OF WHOM I AM WHICH ARE YOUR FRIENDS, AS WELL -- WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS ON CAMPUS? AND DO YOU THINK THE MAJORITY OF STUDENTS -- I KNOW THIS IS A TOUGH QUESTION -- BUT DO YOU THINK THE MAJORITY OF STUDENTS SUPPORT WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE? >> Reporter: I THINK STUDENTS WHO REMAIN ON CAMPUS NOW, AND IN MY CIRCLES, AND WHO I HAVE SPOKEN TO, ARE SYMPATHETIC IN
SOME WAYS, TO THE STUDENT SOME WAYS, TO THE STUDENT PROTEST MOVEMENT. THE DEGREES TO THAT VERY, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN AN ESCALATION, AND NOW BROKEN WINDOWS, AND NO MORE PHYSICALLY EVIDENT PROTESTING THEN THERE WAS BEFORE. THE ENCAMPMENT WAS RELATIVELY CALM, AND THIS IS WAY MORE EVENTFUL. I THINK EVEN GRADUATING SENIORS -- I AM SUPPOSED TO GRADUATE, MY WHOLE FAMILY IS FLYING OUT FROM CALIFORNIA -- GRADUATING SENIORS ARE, OF COURSE, DISAPPOINTED. WE ARE THE CLASS THAT GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL FROM OUR CARS DURING THE PANDEMIC. BUT, THERE SEEMS TO BE A CONSENSUS THAT THIS ISSUE IS A LOT LARGER THAN OUR GRADUATION, SO STUDENTS ARE NOT MAD AT THE PROTESTERS FOR QUESTIONS ABOUT GRADUATION COMING UP. THEY REMAIN MORE UPSET AT THE ADMINISTRATION AND HOW THEY HAVE HANDLED THE PROTESTS, RATHER THAN THE PROTESTERS, THEMSELVES. >> I KNOW YOU WERE OUT THERE YESTERDAY. THE MAYOR AND THE NYPD IMPLIED THAT THEY BELIEVE THERE ARE OUTSIDE ACTORS WHO ARE AGITATING THIS. BUT, I SPOKE TO EARLIER TODAY. FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT YOU SAW, THEY WERE STUDENTS, CORRECT? >> Reporter: YES. CAMPUS HAS BEEN UNDER ALMOST A COMPLETE I.D. ONLY LOCKDOWN SINCE APRIL 17th.
IT IS REALLY HARD FOR OUR NON- IT IS REALLY HARD FOR OUR NON- AFFILIATES TO GET IN. I DON'T DOUBT THAT THERE ARE STUDENTS FROM OTHER AFFILIATE SCHOOLS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY COLUMBIA COLLEGE STUDENTS INCLUDING BARNYARD AND UNION THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY. BUT, I DO NOT THINK IT IS POSSIBLE THAT MANY OUTSIDERS ARE IN AND I FIND IT HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT IS A COMMON CASE. >> SOME STUDENTS WE HAVE HAD ON THIS SHOW HAVE DESCRIBED THE PROTESTS AS ANTI-SEMITIC. WE JUST SAW A VIDEO YOU SHOT THAT HAD A BETTER UNFOLD, AND MANY JEWS HAVE BEEN KILLED. WHAT KIND OF MESSAGES WERE YOU LOOKING -- YOUR ENCHANTED -- WERE YOU YOUR ENCHANTED OR SAID? CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE FEELING OF ANTI-SEMITISM THERE OUTSIDE THE HALLS? OR, IS IT VERY COMPLICATED AND TOO HARD TO FRAME INTO A SOUND BITE? >> Reporter: THAT IS A REALLY COMPLICATED QUESTION, BUT I OBSERVED MANY STUDENTS I KNOW WHO ARE JEWISH WHO WERE PART OF THE HUMAN CHAIN AND THOSE CHANTS, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, ARE CALLS FOR REVOLUTION, AND I DON'T THINK THAT ANYTHING I HEARD LAST NIGHT WAS BLATANTLY ANTI-SEMITIC. THERE WAS NO, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENT OF TENSION TOWARD ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE IT WAS, OF COURSE, TENSE AND VERY UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM FEELING UNSAFE. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO ONE HAS REPORTED TO ME THAT THEY FELT THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT THAT WAS ANTI-SEMITIC. >> HOW DO YOU THINK THIS ENDS? EVEN IF COLUMBIA DIVESTS -- WHICH IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY ARE -- BUT, EVEN IF THEY DIVEST, ISRAEL WILL CONTINUE ITS ASSAULT INTO GAZA, IT'S RESPONSE AFTER THE TERROR ATTACK BY HAMAS. SO, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS HERE, AND HOW DOES THIS END? >> Reporter: YEAH, I MEAN, STUDENTS HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR WITH THE CHANTS. DIVEST, DISCLOSE THEIR FINANCIAL IN THE INVESTMENTS. YES, IF THE UNIVERSITY DOES NOT DIVEST, THE WAR WILL STILL HAPPEN, THAT IS VERY LIKELY.
BUT, STUDENTS STILL WANT THEIR BUT, STUDENTS STILL WANT THEIR TUITION MONEY GOING TOWARD A WAR THAT THEY CANNOT CONSCIOUSLY SUPPORT THAT THEY HAVE NO MORAL STANDING. THEY WANT TO PAY FOR AN EDUCATION, THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR A WAR. THAT IS THE SENTIMENT I AM HEARING ON THE GROUNDS. >> WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORTING, WE THANK YOU FOR JOINING "TOP STORY" AND ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK ON THE SHOW. I HOPE YOU GET TO HAVE A GRADUATION WITH YOUR FAMILY. >>> WE WANT TO TURN OUT TO THE LATEST ON THOSE FOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SHOT AND KILLED IN NORTH CAROLINA. THEIR COMMUNITY REMEMBERING THEM AS DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVANTS KILLED IN WHAT IS NOW THE DEADLIEST INCIDENT FOR POLICE IN NEARLY 10 YEARS. SAM BROCK IS IN CHARLOTTE FOR US TONIGHT. >> COVER! >> Reporter: IN THE AFTERMATH OF BULLETS FIRING, OFFICERS RUN TO THE LINE OF FIRE. A CAVERNOUS HOLE IN CHARLOTTE TONIGHT, WITH THE DEATH TOLL UP TO FOUR. >> HE WAS OUT, GETTING ILLEGAL GUNS OFF THE STREET. HE IS GOING TO BE SORELY MISSED. >> Reporter: THIS TRAGEDY NOW THE DEADLIEST TO POLICE FROM GUNFIRE IN NEARLY A DECADE. >> IT IS JUST REALLY TOUGH. KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE FAMILIES THAT ARE HURTING RIGHT NOW. >> Reporter: LAW ENFORCEMENT SAYS THAT THIS MAN, TERRY HUGHES JR., WITH A LENGTHY CRIMINAL RECORD, GUNNED DOWN THE OFFICERS AS THEY APPROACHED SERVING A WARRANT, BEFORE HE WAS SHOT IN THE YARD OF HIS HOUSE. INVESTIGATORS RECOVERED AN AR 15, HANDGUN, AND MORE THAN 100 SHELL CASINGS AFTER A FURIOUS CONFRONTATION. >> HOW DOES A CONVICTED FELON ACQUIRE A HIGH-POWERED ASSAULT
RIFLE? RIFLE? >> YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU CAN ASK ANYBODY ON THE STREETS. YOU CAN HAVE THESE LAWS ON THE BOOKS, BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO POSSESS A FIREARM, THEY CAN CERTAINLY GET ONE. >> Reporter: NOW, AFTER A SPATE OF RECENT ATTACKS ON OFFICERS, ANOTHER REMINDER OF WHAT THESE PUBLIC SERVANTS STAND FOR. >> WOULD YOU DO THIS AGAIN, KNOWING YOUR FATE YESTERDAY? WOULD YOU DO IT AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A MONSTROUS YES. >> Reporter: SAM BROCK, NBC NEWS, CHARLOTTE. >> WE THANK SAM FOR THAT. >>> NOW TO THE BIG HEADLINES OUT OF FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S HUSH MONEY TRIAL. THE JUDGE SLAMMING TRUMP WITH A $9000 FINE FOR VIOLATING HIS GAG ORDER AS THE PROSECUTION CALLED STORMY McDANIELS -- STORMY DANIELS AND KAREN McDOUGAL'S FORMER LAWYER TO THE STAND. >> Reporter: TONIGHT, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HIT WITH A $9000 FINE AT HIS HUSH MONEY TRIAL, WITH THE JUDGE FINDING MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS OF THE GAG ORDER, PROHIBITING MR. TRUMP FROM ATTACKING WITNESSES. NOW, THREATENING TO THROW HIM BEHIND BARS SAYING, "JAIL MAY BE A NECESSARY PUNISHMENT" IN THE FUTURE. TRUMP'S ATTORNEYS ARGUED IT IS A -- UNFAIR TO VOICE CRITICISM OTHERS HAVE VOICED, AND THAT CERTAIN WITNESSES, LIKE MICHAEL COHEN, FREQUENTLY ATTACK PRESIDENT TRUMP. THE NOMINEE RECENTLY DELETING POSTS ABOUT STORMY DANIELS THAT LANDED HIM IN HOT WATER. >> THIS IS NOT ONLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL, I AM THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THERE IS NO PARIAH, THERE IS NO ANYTHING HERE. >> Reporter: THE FORMER PRESIDENT JOINED IN COURT TODAY BY SON, ERIC, THE FIRST FAMILY MEMBER TO ATTEND, THE PROSECUTION: PETE DAVIDSON, THE LAWYER WHO REPRESENTED STORMY DANIELS AND KAREN McDOUGAL, TWO MEN WHO SAID THEY HAD SEX WITH TRUMP, WHO HE DENIED. MR. TRUMP IS CHARGED WITH A LOW LEVEL FELONY, FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS OVER HIS REIMBURSEMENTS TO MICHAEL COHEN, WHO ALLEGEDLY MADE THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS. DAVIDSON TESTIFIED THAT AFTER THE RELEASE OF THAT DAMAGING "ACCESS HOLLYWOOD" TAPE, INTEREST IN WHAT DANIELS HAD TO SAY REACHED A CRESCENDO. BUT, DAVIDSON ONLY TESTIFIED ABOUT DEALINGS WITH COHEN, NOT OFFERING EVIDENCE OF MR. TRUMP'S KNOWLEDGE OF THE PLAN. >> LAURA JOINS US TONIGHT FROM OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE IN LOWER MANHATTAN. LAURA, WHAT DID WE LEARN FROM TEACH -- KYIV DAVIDSON, AS FAR AS PROSECUTION STRATEGY AND BRINGING HIM TO THE STAND? >> Reporter: TOM, I THINK THAT STRATEGY TODAY WAS TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO CAN EXPLAIN EXACTLY HOW THIS WHOLE IDEA OF THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO STORMY DANIELS AS PROSECUTORS
ALLEGED HAPPENED, HOW IT ALL ALLEGED HAPPENED, HOW IT ALL ACTUALLY CAME ABOUT. WE HAVE DAVID PACKARD TO PUT MR. TRUMP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ORCHESTRATED PLOT, WHERE AS KYIV DAVIDSON IS NOT TALKING
ABOUT ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO ABOUT ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH MR. TRUMP. SHE IS TALKING ABOUT HIS DEALINGS WITH MICHAEL COHEN BECAUSE COHEN WAS HIS FORMER FIXER. HE IS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY MAKES THE FAME PAYMENT, SO HE IS THERE TO SEE HOW THAT COMES ABOUT, ALMOST A SEEN SITTER, IF YOU WILL, OF THINGS TO COME, TOM. >> I WANT TO ASK YOU, WHAT YOU THINK THE DEFENSE WILL DO WITH KYIV DAVIDSON? ANY IDEA?
>> Reporter: I THINK THEY ARE >> Reporter: I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO POINT OUT THAT YOU NEVER HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE FORMER PRESIDENT, HE NEVER INSTRUCTED YOU TO DO SO AND SO, HE NEVER TOLD YOU HE WAS TRYING TO DO THIS TO BURY SOMETHING AHEAD OF THE ELECTION. HE NEVER TOLD YOU THAT HE PLANNED TO FALSIFY HIS BUSINESS RECORDS. ALL OF THAT TYPES OF LINES OF QUESTIONING ON CROSS
EXAMINATION, TOM. EXAMINATION, TOM. I THINK IS GOING TO TRY TO EXPOSE THAT HE DOESN'T ACTUALLY SPEAK TO THE CORE ISSUE, WHICH IS THE FALSIFICATION OF THE BUSINESS RECORDS. NOT THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS, NOT ALL OF THE SCANDALOUS TEXT MESSAGES THAT WE SAW TODAY. IT HAS TO DEAL WITH THE ALLEGED CRIME, AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THEY CAN FLESH THAT OUT ON CROSS. >> ALL RIGHT, LAURA JUDGE FOR US TONIGHT, WE THANK YOU FOR THAT. >>> IN FLORIDA, THE PRESSURE IS ON FOR SOME WOMEN ND HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS. THE STATE'S NEW SIX WE SPANNED COMING IN WITHIN 24 HOURS, AND THOSE SEEKING AN ABORTION WILL NEED TO TRAVEL AS FAR AS NORTH CAROLINA FOR THE PROCEDURE. THE STATE FACING AN OVERWHELMING RUSH OF LAST MINUTE APPOINTMENT BEFORE THAT TAKES EFFECT. IN JACKSONVILLE, SPEAKING WITH BOTH CRITICS AND REPORTERS. >> Reporter: TONIGHT, ABORTION CLINICS IN FLORIDA STRETCHED TO THE LIMIT, SQUEEZING IN DOUBLE, EVEN TRIPLE THE NUMBER OF PATIENTS BEFORE THE STATE'S SIX- WEEK ABORTION BAN TAKES PLACE TOMORROW. >> A LOT OF PATIENTS WILL COME IN FOR THE CONSULT AND WILL BE TOLD THAT WE CAN'T SEE THEM. >> Reporter: KELLY FLYNN RUNS A CLINIC IN JACKSONVILLE. ARE YOU PREPARED FOR THAT MOMENT WHEN YOU HAVE TO TELL PATIENTS YOU CAN'T TREAT THEM? >> NO. YOUR -- YOU CAN'T PREPARE FOR THAT. >> Reporter: SHE SAID A THIRD OF THE PATIENTS COME FROM OUTSIDE PHOTO, THAT IS BECAUSE THE SURROUNDING STATE'S HAVE SOME OF THE STRICTEST ABORTION LAWS IN THE COUNTRY. COME TOMORROW, THE CLOSEST DRIVABLE OPTIONS FOR CARE AFTER SIX WEEKS WILL BE NORTH CAROLINA AND VIRGINIA. >> WE HAD TWO PATIENTS THAT CAME IN FROM MISSISSIPPI AND LOUISIANA. >> Reporter: SO, THEY CAME HERE IN A RUSH, WITH THAT DEADLINE? >> THAT'S CORRECT. THERE ARE A LOT OF PATIENTS THAT DON'T KNOW AND DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POLITICS AROUND THIS.
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS THIS SIX-WEEK BAN, WHEN MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN REALIZE THAT THEY ARE PREGNANT AT SIX WEEKS. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SOUTHEAST COMPLETELY, IT IS AN ABORTION DESERT NOW. >> Reporter: STATE REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL TRAN WAS ONE OF THE SPONSORS. >> WE ARE A CONSERVATIVE STATE. WE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWING ABORTIONS AND WE SHOULDN'T BE PROVIDING ABORTION FOR THEM FOR OTHER STATE'S IN THE SOUTH. >> Reporter: WHAT YOU SAY TO THE WOMEN WHO ARE PREGNANT AND DON'T WANT TO BE? OR, THEY ARE PREGNANT AND THEY SIMPLY DO NOT SEE A WORLD OR A PATH FORWARD WHERE THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHILD? >> WE HAVE DONE ANYTHING FOR PRENATAL CARE, WE HAVE DONE THINGS TO BENEFIT NEW MOTHERS, WE HAVE DONE THINGS TO BENEFIT THE NEWBORNS, THE INFANTS, AND THE TODDLERS. YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE A COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATIVE, AND YOU NEED TO PROVIDE WOMEN AND CHILDREN WITH ANY TOOLS THAT THEY NEED TO THRIVE. AND ADOPTION, AND -- WE ARE PROVIDING WOMEN THE RESOURCES. >> Reporter: HE POINTS OUT THAT THE LAW HAS EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE, INCEST, AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING UP TO 15 WEEKS, AND LIFE OF THE MOTHER WITH FATAL ABNORMALITIES. >> WHEN I -- THEY ARE BORN, HOW ARE THEY TAKING CARE OF? >> Reporter: CASSIE IS FOUR WEEKS PREGNANT. SHE DIDN'T WANT US TO SHARE HER LAST NAME, BUT SAID THAT SHE COULDN'T AFFORD HER BABY SO SHE STARTED THE PROCESS. >> WE ARE IN AN RV AND NEED TO HAVE A HOUSE IN ORDER TO HAVE ANOTHER BABY. WE ALREADY HAVE ONE LITTLE BABY, HE IS 1 1/2. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE ROOM RIGHT NOW. >> Reporter: WHAT IS IT THAT YOU THINK THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WISH THAT THEY DID? >> I WISH THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE IS MORE TO HAVING A BABY THAN JUST PURSING IT. YOU ARE ALSO RAISING THEM, AND CARING FOR THEM, AND NURTURING
THEM THROUGHOUT LIFE, AND A THEM THROUGHOUT LIFE, AND A VERY HARDLY -- HARD LIFE. NOT AN EASY ONE. >> Reporter: IN NOVEMBER, FLORIDIANS WILL VOTE ON A PROPOSED BALLOT AMENDMENT THAT WILL PROTECT ABORTION RIGHTS UNTIL ROUGHLY 24 WEEKS, BUT CASSIE WORRIES WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO OTHER WOMEN MAKING DIFFICULT CHOICES IN THE MEANTIME. BY THE END OF THIS WEEK, THERE MIGHT BE WOMEN WHO ARE JUST TWO WEEKS FURTHER ALONG THAN YOU, AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THE SAME PROCEDURE. >> I WOULD REALLY FEEL FOR THEM, BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. >> MARISSA PIRELA JOINS US
TONIGHT FROM JACKSONVILLE. TONIGHT FROM JACKSONVILLE. SO, AS YOU REPORTED THERE, THE LAW CHANGES AND VOTERS WILL GET THEIR SAY IN NOVEMBER. YOU STILL HAVE ABOUT SIX MONTHS BEFORE THEN. HAS THE STATE SAID HOW THEY WILL ENFORCE THE NEW RULES, ESPECIALLY WITH -- AS HE JUST REPORTED -- THE INFLUX OF PATIENTS THAT ARE TRYING TO GET APPOINTMENTS AND EVEN COMING IN FROM OUT OF STATE? >> Reporter: THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION, AND ABORTION CARE CLINICS LIKE THE ONE BEHIND ME SAID THEY ARE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THAT WILL BE ENFORCED, TOM, BUT EVERY SINGLE ABORTION CLINIC I HAVE TALKED TO SAID THEY DO NOT WANT TO FIND OUT DIRECTLY BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE OF THIS NEW BILL THAT OFFICIALLY GOES INTO EFFECT TOMORROW, THE LANGUAGE IS SUCH THAT ANYONE WHO DOESN'T FOLLOW THIS NEW SIX-WEEK BAN, ANYONE INVOLVED IN THAT WILL BE COMMITTING A FELONY AND WILL BE CHARGED AS SUCH. TOM? >> MARISSA PIRELA FROM JACKSONVILLE . THANK YOU. >>> AS WE MENTIONED LAST NIGHT, RIGHT NOW, WE ARE TRACKING DANGEROUS WEATHER SYSTEMS OUT THERE. THIS NEW VIDEO SHOWING A TORNADO TOUCHING DOWN LATE
TODAY IN WESTMORELAND, KANSAS. TODAY IN WESTMORELAND, KANSAS. THAT IS ABOUT 60 MILES NORTHWEST OF TOPEKA. SO FAR, NO REPORTS OF DAMAGE OR INJURIES, JUST YET. BUT, THE NEW TWISTER, JUST DAYS AFTER THAT DEADLY SET OF TORNADOES ACROSS THE MIDWEST THAT LEFT THIS, A MASSIVE TALE OF DESTRUCTION, IN THEIR WAKE. MILLIONS OF THE THREAT OF MORE SEVERE WEATHER IN THAT SAME REGION, SO LET'S BRING IN NBC METEOROLOGIST, BILL KARINS. BILL, NOT MUCH RAIN IS COMING FOR THIS AREA IN THE MIDWEST. WHAT ARE YOU SEEING RIGHT NOW? >> AT LEAST FOUR TORNADOES, ACTIVE STORM WARNING, A STORM ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOPEKA, KANSAS. I WILL SHOW YOU IN A SECOND. THE FOUR TORNADOES, IN AREAS OF KANSAS, WESTMORELAND, I HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF THAT, HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN DESTROYED, AT LEAST TWO COMES COMPLETELY PRORATED. THEY ARE DOING ACTIVE SEARCH AND RESCUE IN THAT REGION. NO REPORTS OF INJURIES OR FATALITIES. A LITTLE, SMALL TOWN, WAS MORE THAN, JUST NORTH OF MANHATTAN, KANSAS, WHERE THE UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS ESTATE IS LOCATED. THAT IS FINE. IT IS THE LITTLE TOWN OF WESTMORELAND THAT HAS BEEN HIT. WE KNOW THERE HAS BEEN MORE DESTRUCTION THIS EVENING. NOW WE GET TO THE ACTIVE TORNADO WARNING. THIS IS A NASTY LOOKING STORM RIGHT OVER THE TOP OF TOPEKA, KANSAS. TORNADO SIRENS ARE GOING OFF, EVERYONE IS IN THEIR SHELTERS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN UP TOWARD ROCK CREEK, AND A LOT OF LIGHTNING, ABOUT 2 1/2 INCH HAIL WITH THIS. THAT IS BASEBALLS FALLING FROM THE SKY WITH A CHANTS OF A TORNADO. SO, WE WILL WATCH THIS, THIS IS ABOUT TO GO OVER A VERY POPULATED SECTION OF INTERSTATE 70 AS IT HEADS FROM TOPEKA TO LAWRENCE, KANSAS, WHICH IS WHERE THE UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS IS LOCATED, IN THE NEXT HOUR OR TWO.
THIS TORNADO WILL CONTINUE THIS TORNADO WILL CONTINUE UNTIL 6:45 LOCAL TIME. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE DOWNTOWN TOPEKA, THAT IS TO THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN. SO, WE HAVE THESE TORNADO WATCHES THAT ARE UP UNTIL 10:00 THIS EVENING FOR AREAS OF IOWA, 11:00 THIS EVENING FOR WICHITA ALL THE WAY UP TOWARD KANSAS CITY, THEN WE WILL CHECK THESE STORMS THIS EVENING WELL AFTER DARK INTO AREAS OF CENTRAL MISSOURI. SO, THIS IS THE AREA AT RISK WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. TOMORROW, WE WILL DO THIS AGAIN, BUT TOMORROW, IT LOOKS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE SOUTH, TOM. MOSTLY FOCUSING ON OKLAHOMA, AREAS OF KANSAS, AND ALSO WEST TEXAS. >> BILL KARINS WILL STAY TRACKING ALL OF THAT. >>> STILL AHEAD TONIGHT, A DEVELOPING OUT OF USC, UNIVERSITY SHUTTLEBUS COLLIDING WITH A PACK TO TRAIN YOUR CAMPUS. NEARLY 20 PEOPLE TO COME TO THE HOSPITAL, AN INVESTIGATION UNDERWAY. >>> PLUS, THE TIKTOK VIDEOS THAT ARE ALL THE BUZZ. IN 3-YEAR-OLD IN NORTH CAROLINA COMPLAINING OF A MONSTER IN HER CLOSET. >>> WE ARE BACK NOW WITH A REAL- >>> WE ARE BACK NOW WITH A REAL- LIFE NIGHTMARE FOR ONE NORTH CAROLINA FAMILY. THERE 3-YEAR-OLD UNABLE TO SLEEP FOR MONTHS BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE BELIEVED WERE MONSTERS IN THE WALL. BUT, A CALL WITH A LOCAL BEEKEEPER REVEALED THAT SHE WAS NOT MAKING UP THE SCARY SOUNDS SHE WAS HEARING. NBC'S ELLEN LOPEZ HAS THE VITAL STORY. >> Reporter: FOR ONE NORTH CAROLINA 3-YEAR-OLD, HER CLOSET WAS A CONSTANT SOURCE OF TERROR. >> ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS AGO, SHE STARTED TO SAY THAT SHE HEARD MONSTERS IN HER WALL. WE ASKED HER TO POINT, AND SHE POINTED RIGHT TO HER CLOSET. >> Reporter: MOM, ASHLEY, INITIALLY WRITING IT OFF AS BEDTIME FEARS. BUT, WHEN THEY FOUND SOME BED -- HONEYBEES IN THE ATTIC OF THEIR 100-YEAR-OLD FARMHOUSE, THEY CALLED IN A BEEKEEPER. >> IT LIT UP LIKE CHRISTMAS.
WHEN I FIRST THOUGHT IT WAS A WHEN I FIRST THOUGHT IT WAS A MAN IN THE WALL, I WAS REALLY STARTLED AT, WHAT IS THAT? >> THAT WHOLE CABINET WAS FULL AND IT IS FULL ALL THE WAY TO THE CEILING. >> Reporter: BEHIND THE WALL, NEARLY 50,000 BEES, AND HUNDREDS OF POUNDS OF HONEYCOMB. >> AND IT WAS AN APOCALYPSE, THAT IS ALL I CAN THINK ABOUT ALL THESE BEES STARTED FLYING OUT. >> Reporter: SOMETHING THAT EVEN SHOCKED BEEKEEPER, CURTIS COLLINS. >> IT WAS NEARLY TWICE THE SIZE OF ANY OTHER HIVE I HAVE VISITED >> Reporter: ASHLEY SHARED HER REAL-LIFE NIGHTMARE ON TIKTOK. >> TODAY IS DAY 10 OF ALL OF THIS BEE STUFF. >> Reporter: HER VIDEO IS GARNERING MORE THAN 9 MILLION THE VIEWS. >> DEAR ARBY'S EVERYWHERE, THEY ARE LIKE LANDMINES, THEY CAN STING YOU IN DEATH. >> Reporter: TRYING TO REMOVE THE HIVE WITH THE THREE EXTRACTIONS OVER SEVERAL DAYS. >> THERE IS HONEY ALL OVER THE CEILING. >> Reporter: THE SITUATION NOT
ONLY GROSS, BUT DAMAGE ONLY GROSS, BUT DAMAGE ESTIMATED AT OVER $20,000. WAS THERE ANYTHING TO DO TO PREVENT ANYTHING LIKE THIS FROM HAPPENING IN YOUR HOUSE? >> INSURANCE IS NOT COVERING ANY OF IT, BECAUSE THEY SAY IT WAS PREVENTABLE. >> Reporter: COLLINS SAYS SHE BELIEVES THE BEES INITIALLY GOT IN WITH A SMALL HOLE IN THE ATTIC AND HAD BEEN THERE FOR MONTHS. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS THAT A -- THE NOISE YOU ARE HEARING IN YOUR WALL? >> THAT'S THE NORTH THE MONSTERS WERE MAKING? >> OKAY. WE GOT THOSE MONSTERS. GOODBYE, MONSTERS. GET OUT OF HERE. >> Reporter: NOW THAT THE SO CALLED MONSTERS ARE GONE, CURTIS THE BEEKEEPER HAS A BRAND-NEW TITLE. >> SHE LOOKED STRAIGHT AT HIM AND SAID, HE IS NOT A BEEKEEPER, HE IS A MONSTER HUNTER. CURTIS WAS SO EXCITED. I THINK HE WAS SITTING HIGH FOR THE REST OF THE DAY. >> IT IS ALL A PROCESS TO TRY TO SAVE THE BEES AND KEEP THAT HIVE GOING. >> Reporter: THIS FAMILY OF FIVE NOW HOPING THEY CAN FINALLY GET SOME Z'S WITHOUT THE BEES. >> IT IS GOOD THAT WE SAVED ALL THOSE BEES BUT I'M READY FOR THEM TO BE EVICTED. >> Reporter: THEY WERE NOT INVITED IN THE FIRST PLACE. >> RIGHT. >> Reporter: AND THIS IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL, THAT THE BEES WERE ABLE TO GET IN AND CREATE SO MUCH SPACE, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE INSULATED WALLS IN THIS 100-YEAR-OLD HOME. THEY SAY THIS WAS ABOUT 8 TO 9 FEET TALL AND IT TOOK ABOUT >> NEWS LIVES IN THE NOW. >> LOOK AT THIS, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE ANYTHING ANYMORE. >> NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >>> BACK NOW WITH "TOP STORY"'S NEWSFEED AS WE DEAL WITH THE CAMPUS BUS CRASHING INTO A TREE NEAR USC. THIS VIDEO SHOWED ON THE CITIZENS AFTER SHOWING AFTERMATH OF THE COLLISION, FIRE CREWS HELPING PASSENGERS OUT OF THE PACK TO TRAIN. POLICE ASSAYING 18 PEOPLE WERE TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL, TWO IN SERIOUS CONDITION. ABOUT 40 PEOPLE WERE TREATED FOR MINOR INJURIES AT THE SCENE. THE CAUSE OF THE CRASH IS UNDER INVESTIGATION. >>> A MAN CAUGHT ON CAMERA STEALING AN AMBULANCE IN WEST VIRGINIA. DASH CAM FOOTAGE SHOWING THE MOMENT HE JUMPED THROUGH THE WINDOW OF A RECOVERY HOME, WHERE MEDICS RESPONDED TO A CALL. HE CRAWLED INTO THE AMBULANCE, AND SPEEDS AWAY. AFTER SEVERAL MINUTES, THE MAN ABANDONS THE AMBULANCE OUTSIDE OF A HOUSE, ALLOWING IT TO ROLL BACKWARDS INTO A WALL. NO ONE WAS HURT. THE SUSPECT WAS ARRESTED. >>> A WALMART CLOSING HEALTHCARE CLINICS AND TELEHEALTH SERVICES DUE TO ESCALATING COSTS. THE CLINICS, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED ACROSS SIX STATES, OFFER ANNUAL CHECKUP AND DENTAL APPOINTMENTS FOR AS
LOW AS $30. LOW AS $30. NOW, ALL 51 WILL CLOSE WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS. THE RETAILER BLAMING THE DECISION ON A CHALLENGE OF INCREASED OPERATING COSTS. >>> I WANT TO TURN NOW TO MAJOR HEALTH NEWS.
THE U.S. PREVENTATIVE SERVICES THE U.S. PREVENTATIVE SERVICES TASK FORCE LOWERING THE RECOMMENDED AGE FOR WOMEN TO START GETTING SCREENED FOR BREAST CANCER FROM 5240. THE MOVE COMING AS THE RATES FOR BREAST CANCER IN WOMEN IN THEIR 40s HAS BEEN ON THE RISE IN RECENT YEARS. NBC'S DAN THOMPSON HAS THIS REPORT. >> Reporter: IN THE WORLD OF BREAST CANCER, TWO THINGS ARE TRUE. MAMMOGRAMS CAN HURT, AND THE GUIDELINES FOR GETTING THEM CAN BE CONFUSING. TONIGHT, ANOTHER CHANGE. THE U.S. PREVENTATIVE SERVICES TASK FORCE, AN INDEPENDENT PANEL OF EXPERTS, NOW RECOMMENDS WOMEN, STARTING AT AGE 40, GET MAMMOGRAMS EVERY OTHER YEAR UNTIL 74. IT PREVIOUSLY SAID SCREENINGS SHOULD START NO LATER THAN AGE 50. WHY THE CHANGE TO START BIENNIAL SCREENING AT 40? >> IN THE LATEST SCIENCE, IT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT STARTING AT AGE 40 CAN SAVE MORE LIVES WITH BREAST CANCER. THAT CAN SAVE UP TO NEARLY 20% MORE LIVES WITH THIS DISEASE. >> Reporter: YET, THERE IS NO AGREEMENT AMONG EXPERTS. THE AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY SAYS MAMMOGRAMS ARE OPTIONAL FOR WOMEN, 4244. AND THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF RADIOLOGY RECOMMENDS THEM EVERY YEAR, STARTING AT 40. >> THE GUIDELINES ARE VERY CONFUSING. >> Reporter: MARLENE MYERS, A BREAST ONCOLOGIST, IS FRUSTRATED. >> WE DON'T KNOW THE ABSOLUTE CORRECT INDICATIONS BUT IT IS ABSOLUTELY WITH A CONVERSATION WITH YOUR PRIMARY CARE DOCTOR OR HER WITH YOUR GYNECOLOGIST, TO SAY, WHAT IS RIGHT FOR ME? TO DISCUSS WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE. >> Reporter: NBC NEWS, NEW YORK. >>> FOR MORE OF THIS NEWS, I WANT TO BRING IN NBC NEWS MEDICAL CONTRIBUTOR, DR.
NATALIE A CZAR. NATALIE A CZAR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE ON TOP STORY TONIGHT. NOW, LET'S START WITH THIS BECAUSE I THINK THERE WILL BE WHIPLASH FOR WOMEN ACROSS AMERICA. WHY ARE THEY MOVING BACK FROM 50 TO 40? >> BASICALLY, THEY CITE TWO MAIN REASONS FOR THIS. ONE IS THAT WE KNOW THAT CANCER RATES HAVE BEEN INCREASING PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY IN WOMEN IN THEIR 40s, BETWEEN 2015 AND 2019, THE RATE INCREASED BY ABOUT 2% PER YEAR. WE KNOW THE EARLIER MAMMOGRAM WILL SAVE MORE LIVES. THEY ACTUALLY ESTIMATE, OR CALCULATE, THAT ABOUT 8000 LIVES A YEAR COULD BE SAVED. AND JUST SORT OF BIG PICTURE, YOU MENTIONED, THEY HAVE COME INTO CONSENSUS WITH OTHER MEDICAL GROUPS, AND I REALLY THINK THAT IS THE TAKE ON THAT, TOO, IS THAT THIS IS A MORE STREAMLINED RECOMMENDATION IN LINE WITH MORE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE AS CONFUSED AS THEY WERE BEFORE THEN .. >> WE JUST SAW IN THAT CASE, THAT EVEN DOCTORS ARE FRUSTRATED, AS WELL. DO WE KNOW WHY YOUNGER WOMEN ARE BEING DIAGNOSED WITH BREAST CANCER? >> NO, NOT NECESSARILY. THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS BEING THROWN OUT THERE. I THINK A LOT OF IT OBVIOUSLY HAS TO DO WITH OUR ENVIRONMENT, CERTAIN EXPOSURES. SOME OF IT, OF COURSE, IS INCREASED DETECTION. FOR EXAMPLE, THE AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY HAS RECOMMENDED
FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS THAT WE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS THAT WE START TREATING EARLIER, BUT WE KNOW THAT IS ON THE RISE, OTHER CANCERS ARE ON THE RISE, LIKE COLORECTAL, AS WELL. WE WANT TO BLAME OUR ENVIRONMENT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHY. >> WHAT ABOUT HOW OFTEN WOMEN SHOULD GET SCREENED? EVERY THREE YEARS? EVERY YEAR? I AM NOT A DOCTOR, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I WOULD THINK IF YOU CAN COME YOU WOULD WANT TO GET SCREENED EVERY YEAR, BUT MAYBE I AM WRONG? >> ONE OF THE BIGGEST CRITICISMS OF SCREENING YEARLY, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE UNITED STATES TEST PREVENTED -- PREVENTIVE TASK FORCES THAT YOU CAN GET FALSE POSITIVES, WHICH MEANS YOU ARE SEEING SOMETHING ON A SCREENING MAMMOGRAM THAT
LOOKS ADMIRABLE -- ABNORMAL AND LOOKS ADMIRABLE -- ABNORMAL AND A WOMAN GOES UNDER A BIOPSY AND REALIZES THEY DON'T HAVE BREAST CANCER. THAT IS THE BIGGEST PUSH BACK TO DOING IT ANNUALLY. BUT, LIKE I SAID, AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY RECOMMENDS ANNUAL, AMERICAN COLLEGE OF RADIOLOGY RECOMMENDS ANNUAL. THEY SAID THE BENEFIT OF DETECTING A CANCER EARLIER FAR
OUTWEIGHS THE POTENTIAL HARM OF OUTWEIGHS THE POTENTIAL HARM OF UNDERGOING TWO FREQUENT BIOPSIES, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ONE OF THE OTHER BIG CRITICISMS OF THAT RECOMMENDATION, TOM, IS THAT THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE BREAST DENSITY. AND THAT IS A BIG DEAL, BECAUSE WE KNOW NOW THAT PRETTY SOON, RADIOLOGISTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COMMENT ON BRANDS -- BREAST DENSITY. >> IS THAT SOMETHING WOMEN ARE BORN WITH? >> BREAST DENSITY IS SOMETHING YOU ARE BORN WITH, ABSOLUTELY. AND IT IS NOT ONLY SOMETIMES CAMOUFLAGED AS BREAST CANCER, IT INDEPENDENTLY INCREASES THE RISK OF BREAST CANCER, SO A LOT OF EXPERTS ARE HOPING THAT THE TASK FORCE WILL GO FURTHER, NOT ONLY SAY, DO IT YEARLY, BUT ALSO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT BREAST DENSITY. >> I KNOW THAT YOUR PRACTICE PROBABLY DEALS WITH THIS ALL THE TIME, BUT WHEN THERE IS A NEW REGULATION AND THEN THE INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE TO CATCH UP, DO THEY CATCH UP IMMEDIATELY OR DOES IT TAKE THEM TIME? >> SO, WHAT IS ACTUALLY KIND OF GOOD IS THAT EVEN THOUGH THE TASK FORCE HAS BEEN SLOW TO CHANGE THE RECOMMENDATION TO 40, AND SLOW EVEN NOW NOT TO RECOMMEND ANNUAL, MOST COMMERCIAL INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL STILL APPROVE AN ANNUAL MAMMOGRAM. BUT, THIS IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT. EVEN IF THEY DID GO DOWN TO 40 -- ESPECIALLY FOR RACIAL AND ETHNIC MINORITIES, FOR PREMENOPAUSAL WOMEN -- BECAUSE IF THE INSURANCE COMPANIES SAY, WELL, THE TASK FORCE SAYS THEY SHOULD DO IT, THEY ARE OBLIGED, THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT HAS TO COVER WHAT WE CALL A BETTER RECOMMENDATION, WHICH THIS IS. SO, IT SHOULD ENHANCE INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR A LOT OF WOMEN. THE KIND OF GOES HAND IN HAND WITH WHAT THE TASK FORCE SAYS AND WHAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY COVERS. SO, THAT IS DEFINITELY A GOOD THING. BUT, LIKE I SAID, I THINK MORE EXPERTS WERE HOPING FOR YEARLY AND THEY WERE HOPING FOR COMMENTS ON BREAST DENSITY, WHICH WE DIDN'T GET. THE TASK FORCE SAYS THERE IS NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION OR EVIDENCE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT, YET. >> THANK YOU. DR. NATALIE AZAR, WE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT POINT >>> A GLOBAL CHECK OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND THE WORLD. WE START WITH A DEADLY SWORD ATTACK IN THE UK. NEW VIDEO SHOWS A MAN CARRYING AND WAIVING THE WEAPON A WOUND
IN A LONDON NEIGHBORHOOD AFTER IN A LONDON NEIGHBORHOOD AFTER ATTACKING A MAN IN THE AREA. A 14-YEAR-OLD BOY WAS KILLED AND AT LEAST FIVE PEOPLE HURT INCLUDING TWO POLICE OFFICERS. THE SUSPECT WAS EVENTUALLY TASED BY POLICE AND RRESTED. INVESTIGATION IS NOW UNDERWAY, BUT POLICE DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS AN ACT OF TERROR. >>> MEXICO TAKING ECUADOR TO THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE AFTER ECUADORIAN OFFICIALS STORMED THE MEXICAN CITY OF QUITO EARLIER THIS MONTH. YOU MAY REMEMBER WE REPORTED ON THIS IN "TOP STORY". MEXICO SAYING THERE WAS NO LEGAL DEFENSE FOR THE INCIDENT WHICH RESULTED IN THE ARREST OF A FORMER ECUADORIAN VICE PRESIDENT. MEXICO IS ASKING THE TOP COURTS TO PROVIDE FULL PROTECTION TO ITS DIPLOMATIC AREAS, AND FOR ECUADOR'S U.N. MEMBERSHIP TO BE REVOKED. ECUADOR ARGUED THAT VIOLATED INTERNATIONAL LAW TO GRANT ASYLUM TO A CONVICTED CRIMINAL. >>> THOUSANDS OF PASSENGERS STRANDED ACROSS AUSTRALIA AFTER A BUDGET AIRLINE CANCELED ALL -- YES, ALL -- OF THEIR FLIGHTS. THE AUSTRALIAN AIRLINE BONZA ANNOUNCING THAT IT WAS -- SUSPENDING ALL FIGHT SERVICES, IMMEDIATELY. SO, THE TRANSPORTATION MINISTER SAYING THAT THEY ARE WORKING WITH OTHER CARRIERS TO TRY TO GET PASSENGERS TO THEIR DESTINATION. THE LOW-COST AIRLINE LAUNCHED IN JANUARY 2023, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN RECENT REPORTS, OBVIOUSLY, OF FINANCIAL TROUBLES. >>> NOW, BACK TO MEXICO WHERE A CATHOLIC BISHOP WAS FOUND ALIVE. HE IS NOW HOSPITALIZED AFTER SHE WAS ABDUCTED OVER THE WEEKEND. HE HAD ORGANIZED PEACE TALKS BETWEEN RIVAL CARTELS. ALISA SAYING HE WAS NOW LIKELY THE VICTIM OF AN EXPRESS KIDNAPPING. MAURA BARRETT HAS THE LATEST. >> Reporter: A RETIRED CATHOLIC BISHOP SAY CHURCH OFFICIALS REPORTED AND KIDNAPPED OVER THE WEEKEND. VIDEO RELEASED BY AUTHORITIES SHOWING HIM IN A HOSPITAL BED, SURROUNDED BY STATE OFFICIALS. POLICE DID NOT SPECIFY HOW HE HAD BEEN FOUND OR HIS CONDITION. POLICE DESCRIBING THE ABDUCTION AS AN EXPRESS KIDNAPPING, LOCALLY -- LIKELY BY LOW LEVEL CRIMINALS. >> [ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] >> Reporter: HE WAS THE VICTIM OF A VIOLENT DIOCESE IN GUERRERO, THAT HAS BEEN PLAGUED WITH CRIME. IN PARTICULAR, TURF WAR BETWEEN CARTELS. HE LOOKED TO END BLOODSHED BETWEEN GANGS BY OFFERING TO HOLD PEACE TALKS BETWEEN RIVAL GROUPS IN THE REGION, MOST RECENTLY IN FEBRUARY, A MOVE ENDORSED BY THE MEXICAN PRESIDENT.
>> [ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL >> [ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] >> Reporter: BUT, SINCE THEN, OVER THE WEEKEND, GOING MISSING JUST NORTH OF GUERRERO. THE CHURCH OFFICIALS ORIGINALLY PLEADING FOR HIS CAPTORS TO ALLOW HIM TO TAKE HIS MEDICATION AS AN ACT OF HUMANITY. THIS INCIDENT, ONCE AGAIN, PUSHING THE ISSUE OF PURITY TO THE FOREFRONT BEFORE NEXT MONTH'S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. TONIGHT, MIGUEL IS BEING TREATED IN THE HOSPITAL. THEY SAID THAT THESE AGREEMENTS HE WORKS ON CAN OFTEN BE FRAGILE. POLICE SAY IT IS UNCLEAR WHO HELD HIM CAPTIVE. TOM? >> MAURA BARRETT FOR US TONIGHT. THANK YOU. >>> COMING UP, BIDEN'S BLUNT MOVE. THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION PLANNING TO RECLASSIFY MARIJUANA AS A SCHEDULE THREE DRUG, PUTTING IT ON THE SAME CATEGORY AS TYLENOL WITH CODEINE. WHAT THIS COULD MEAN FOR MARIJUANA RESTRICTION NATIONWIDE. COULD IT OPEN MORE DOORS FOR >>> WE ARE BACK NOW WITH A >>> WE ARE BACK NOW WITH A MAJOR POLICY CHANGE FROM THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ON MARIJUANA. THE NEW PROPOSAL WOULD DOWNGRADE THE DRUGS CLASSIFICATION, MAKING IT EASIER TO STUDY FOR MEDICAL USES AND POSSIBLY CHANGING THE WAY CRIMES AROUND THE SUBSTANCE ARE CHARGED. BLAINE ALEXANDRA HAS THE LATEST. >> Reporter: FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS, MARIJUANA HAS BEEN WRITTEN AMONG THE WORLD'S MOST DANGEROUS DRUGS, CLASSIFIED ALONGSIDE THE LIKES OF HEROIN OR ECSTASY. BUT, IN A MAJOR SHIFT, ACCORDING TO SOURCES WITH KNOWLEDGE CLOSE TO THE DECISION, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS LOOKING TO RECLASSIFY THE DRUG TO SCHEDULE THREE, LIKE KETAMINE, OR TESTOSTERONE, OR TYLENOL WITH CODEINE. THIS WOULD ALLOW MARIJUANA TO BE MORE EQUALLY STUDIED FOR MEDICAL BENEFITS. THE CHANGE WOULD NOT LEGALIZE WRECK -- RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA, THE DISTRIBUTION OF WHICH IS STILL A FEDERAL CRIME. BUT, WOULD RECOGNIZE IT AS A DRUG LESS LIKELY TO LEAD TO ADDICTION. STEPHANIE SHEPPARD SERVED NINE YEARS FOR CONSPIRACY TO DISTRIBUTE. WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR INCARCERATION RATES IN AMERICA? >> HOPEFULLY, IT MEANS A STEP
CLOSER TO LOWERING THOSE RATES CLOSER TO LOWERING THOSE RATES AND ALSO, RELEASING THOSE WHO ARE SERVING HEINOUS SENTENCES FOR CANNABIS. >> Reporter: PUBLIC OPINION HAS SHIFTED DRAMATICALLY IN THE LAST 20 YEARS FROM 34% OF AMERICANS WHO BELIEVE MARIJUANA SHOULD BE LEGAL TO 70%. NEARLY HALF OF STATES HAVE LEGALIZED MARIJUANA FOR RECREATIONAL USE. BUT, ONE OPPOSITION GROUP SAYS THE CANNABIS INDUSTRY HAS LOBBIED HEAVILY TO SELL DEMONSTRABLY HARMFUL PRODUCTS, AND CALLS OUT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION FOR " A VEILED ATTEMPT TO REVERSE POLLING
TRENDS." TRENDS." PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS ALREADY PARDONED THOUSANDS OF MARIJUANA OFFENDERS AND THE MOVE COULD GARNER POLITICAL SUPPORT THIS
ELECTION YEAR, PARTICULARLY ELECTION YEAR, PARTICULARLY AMONG YOUNG AND BLACK VOTERS. THE PROPOSED CHANGES STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND WOULD NOT BECOME OFFICIAL FOR AT LEAST 60 DAYS. BLAYNE ALEXANDER, NBC NEWS. >>> FOR MORE ON THIS POTENTIAL MARIJUANA POLICY, I WANT TO BRING IN KEVIN'S A BIT, A FORMER ADVISER TO THE BUSH, CLINTON, AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATIONS ON DRUG POLICY AND THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF SMART APPROACHES TO MARIJUANA, A NONPROFIT LOOKING TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON MARIJUANA USE. KEVIN, THANK YOU FOR JOINING "TOP STORY" TONIGHT. LET'S GET RIGHT TO IT. YOU DO NOT THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. WHY? >> NO, IT IS NOT. WHILE IT WILL NOT LEGALIZE MARIJUANA -- WHICH IS AN EVEN WORSE IDEA -- THIS IS JUST A
SUPERSIZE FOR THE MARIJUANA SUPERSIZE FOR THE MARIJUANA INDUSTRY, WHICH IS LIKE BIG TOBACCO. WE KNOW HOW THAT MOVIE ENDED. WE GIVE THEM TAX BREAKS, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO COMMERCIALIZE AND PROMOTE THEIR PRODUCTS, AND THEIR PRODUCTS TODAY ARE SUPERSTRENGTH, HIGHLY POTENT THC EDIBLES, THE COOKIES, THE
CANDIES, THE CONCENTRATES, THEY CANDIES, THE CONCENTRATES, THEY CAN BE UP TO 99% POTENT, SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA FOR PUBLIC HEALTH. ALSO REEKS OF ELECTORAL POLITICS. >> WELL, I AM GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND, BUT IN BLAINE'S REPORT WHICH WE JUST SAW THERE, SHE REPORTS THAT IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, THE PUBLIC SENTIMENT HAS SHIFTED IN AMERICA, GOING FROM 34% OF AMERICA WHO BELIEVE AMERICA WILL SHOULD BE LEGAL, TO 70%. NOW, NEARLY HALF THE STATES HAVE LEGALIZED IT. ISN'T THIS THE MOMENTUM OF WHERE MARIJUANA IS GOING IN AMERICA? >> IT IS OBVIOUS THE INDUSTRY
HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF TRICKING PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING SOMETHING ONE SIGNS HAS SAID THE OPPOSITE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT MARIJUANA IS DOING FOR PSYCHOSIS, FOR EXAMPLE, SCHIZOPHRENIA, INCREASING IT BY FIVE TIMES THE LIKELIHOOD, INCLUDING TO THE LANCER MEDICAL DRAMA, THE MOST PROMINENT ONE IN THE WORLD. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IQ LOSS, EIGHT POINTS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT SPOUSAL ISSUES, REPRODUCTIVE ISSUES, CARDIOVASCULAR, HEART AND LUNG ISSUES, SMOKING ANYTHING IS NOT
GOOD FOR YOU, AND INHALING GOOD FOR YOU, AND INHALING HUNDREDS OF HYDROCARBONS AND CARCINOGENS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. IT SEEMED LIKE WE LEARNED OUR LESSONS WITH TOBACCO, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED TO LEARN AGAIN. >> ALONG THOSE OTHER LINES, SHOULD ALCOHOL ALSO BE ILLEGAL? >> WELCOME ALCOHOL IS NOT LEGAL BECAUSE IT IS GOOD FOR YOU, RIGHT? ALCOHOL IS LEGAL BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN AROUND, WESTERN CIVILIZATION, USED BY 80% OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION FOR THE LAST 5000 YEARS. THAT IS WHY IT IS LEGAL. AND BY THE WAY, WE HAVE CONSIDERABLE DAMAGE FROM ALCOHOL. DON'T GET ME WRONG. ALCOHOL IS THE NUMBER ONE DRUG, ABUSED FOR VIOLENCE, AND INCARCERATION. BUT, IF YOUR HEADLIGHTS ARE BROKEN, YOU DON'T TRY TO BREAK YOUR TAIL LIGHTS JUST TO BE CONSISTENT. WE SHOULD LEARN FROM THE ALCOHOL EXAMPLE OF NOT COMMERCIALIZING HIGHLY POTENT MARIJUANA. >> YOU BELIEVE MARIJUANA IS A GATEWAY DRUG, RIGHT? NOT ONLY IS IT BAD BY ITSELF, BUT IT CAN LEAD TO OTHER BAD CHOICES? >> WELL, IT CAN. WE SEE THAT IF YOU USE MARIJUANA, YOU ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO USE OTHER DRUGS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU SE MARIJUANA, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO USE OTHER DRUGS, BUT AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE WHO USE COCAINE, METHAMPHETAMINE, HEROIN -- HEROIN, FENTANYL, 99% OF THE STARTED WITH ALCOHOL AND MARIJUANA, THE TOOTH -- TWO MOST WIDELY ACCEPTED DRUGS. BUT, THIS IS NOT THE DRUG IT USED TO BE. I DO NOT THINK YOU SHOULD GO TO PRISON, I DO NOT THINK YOU SHOULD GO TO JAIL, DON'T GET ME WRONG, I DO NOT THINK YOU SHOULD BE CRIMINALIZED. BUT, WHY WE NEED TO GO TO THE OTHER EXTREME AND COMMERCIALIZE IT? >> WHY DO YOU THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN WANTS TO DO THIS? >> UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK IT IS ELECTORAL POLITICS. I MEAN, I THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN KNOWS THAT THIS ISN'T GOOD. DEEP DOWN, I THINK HE KNOWS THAT. FRANKLY, HE IS THE FOUNDER OF THE OPPOSITION DRUG POLICY THAT ESTABLISHED THIS, THE REASON WE HAVE THAT BACK IN THE 'EARLY
80s. 80s. SO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, HE WANTED THAT. SO, I THINK HE PROBABLY SEES IT AS SOMEWHAT OF A COMPROMISE BETWEEN LEGALIZATION AND DOING NOTHING.
I THINK IT IS REALLY DRIVEN BY I THINK IT IS REALLY DRIVEN BY A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THINK THIS WILL GET YOUNG PEOPLE OUT TO VOTE. BUT, THE RECENT HARVARD POLE AS YOU ALL HAVE REFERRED TO MANY TIMES AND THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT, A SURVEY YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE ADDED TO, MARIJUANA DOESN'T EVEN REGISTER, IN TERMS
OF THE TOP 15 REASONS WHY THEY OF THE TOP 15 REASONS WHY THEY WOULD EVEN GET OUT TO VOTE. SO, I THINK THIS IS EVEN WRONG ON THE POLITICS. >> YOU KNOW, I DO WANT TO ASK YOU, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT ALCOHOL BEING AROUND FOR SO LONG, MARIJUANA HAS BEEN AROUND FOR SO LONG, RIGHT? >> OH, YEAH. >> YOU HAVE SO MANY KINDS, YOU HAVE DEA AGENTS SPENDING COUNTLESS HOURS STOPPING MARIJUANA SMUGGLERS, AS WELL. IT IS CLEARLY IN THE COUNTRY, BEING GROWN, LEGALIZED. WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO SORT OF MAKE LAWS, TATAR LAWS TO GET IT UNDER CONTROL, AND HELP THE COUNTRY IN SOME WAY? OR, DO YOU SEE THAT IS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE? >> THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE. WE HAVEN'T TRIED THAT FOR OVER 10 YEARS IN COLORADO AND CALIFORNIA. WHAT HAS HAPPENED, WE HAVE AN UNDERGROUND BLACK MARKET BIGGER THAN BEFORE, BEFORE LEGALIZATION. WHEN YOU INCREASE DEMAND, YOU INCREASE THE ABILITY FOR THE BLACK MARKET, AND BLACK-MARKET ACTORS. WE HAVE CHINESE NATIONAL SMUGGLERS WHO ARE CONNECTED TO THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY THAT ARE NOW PART OF THE MARIJUANA INDUSTRY IN OUR COUNTRY GROWING IN ILLEGAL STATES. SO, I DO NOT THINK THAT IS THE ANSWER. I AM NOT SAYING WE SHOULD BE ARRESTING PEOPLE, THROWING THEM IN PRISON. BY THE WAY, THIS NEW SCHEDULING DECISION DOES NOTHING TO GET ANYBODY OUT OF PRISON. IT WON'T STOP ARRESTS FOR MARIJUANA. I MEAN, THAT IS THE CYNICAL PART OF THIS THAT I AM LOOKING AT, IT IS TOUTED AS SOCIAL JUSTICE, BUT IN REALITY, THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE HURT THE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WITH THE LEAST NUMBER OF RESOURCES, LIKE ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO, AND I WORRY ABOUT THAT. >> KEVIN, WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION -- AT LEAST TO GET THE DRUG ENFORCEMENT AND ISSUES OF MARIJUANA -- UNDER CONTROL.
>> FIRST, LET'S DO SOME MORE >> FIRST, LET'S DO SOME MORE RESEARCH. WE NEED TO SEE WHAT THIS IS DOING IN THE LONG-TERM. WE KNOW SHORT-TERM, IT IS CAUSING PSYCHOSIS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WHAT IS IT DOING IN THE LONG TERM? I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE ARRESTING PEOPLE AND PUTTING PEOPLE IN PRISON. THANKFULLY, WE ARE NOT DOING
THAT, THAT IS NOT HAPPENING. THAT, THAT IS NOT HAPPENING. BUT, I THINK WE NEED A LOT OF EDUCATION, A LOT OF AWARENESS IN A CREDIBLE WAY. NOT IN A SCARY WAY, NOT IN AN OVERDRAMATIC WAY, BUT IN A CREDIBLE WAY ABOUT WHAT THE SCIENCE IS SAYING. FRANKLY, WHEN I TALK TO YOUNG PEOPLE EVEN WHEN THEY DON'T BELIEVE THE SIGNS I JUST TELL THEM, LISTEN -- >> WELL, WHEN YOU SAY "EDUCATE," I'M LOOKING TO UNDERSTAND, AND I DON'T MEAN TO GIVE YOU LIP HERE, BUT PEOPLE KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO SMOKE WEED OR EAT AN EDIBLE TO GET HIGH. I MEAN, WHAT MORE EDUCATION DO YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM? >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU READ MORE INTO ALCOHOL, BUT WHEN COLORADO LEGALIZED ALCOHOL, SHE ATE AN ENTIRE EDIBLE AND SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO DIE THAT NIGHT. I DON'T THINK MOST AMERICANS REALIZE THAT IT INCREASES PSYCHOTIC EPISODES BY FIVE FOLD, THAT IT INCREASES SUICIDALITY, THAT IT IS THE NUMBER ONE DRUG AMONG YOUTH SUICIDES, PEOPLE WHO DIE BY SUICIDE TO OUR YOUNG PEOPLE IN COLORADO, AMONG OTHER LEGAL STATES. I DON'T THINK THEY REALIZE IT INCREASES THE RISK OF A CAR CRASH BECAUSE YOU LOSE DEPTH PERCEPTION. I DON'T THINK THEY REALIZE IT IS CAUSING CARDIOVASCULAR -- MAJOR STUDY, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE RELEASED BY GEMMA A FEW MONTHS AGO ON THAT. I THINK THE INDUSTRY HAS DONE IT -- A GREAT JOB. I WANT TO GO BACK TO ALCOHOL, I'M NOT TRYING TO GET AROUND THAT. IT'S TRUE, MARIJUANA HAS NOT BEEN -- HAS BEEN USED FOR THOUSANDS OF USED. BUT, IT HASN'T BEEN 70% OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION. SO, I THINK THAT IS A HUGE PART OF IT. >> BUT, ALSO, HISTORICALLY, IT IS A COMPARISON BECAUSE THERE WERE TIMES IN THE MIDDLE AGES WHEN IT WAS SAFER TO DRINK BEER THAN IT WAS TO DRINK WATER, BECAUSE THE WATER WAS CONTAMINATED, YOU KNOW? IT IS NOT A FAIR COMPARISON. BUT, ALCOHOL DESTROYS LIVES, ALCOHOL HAS LED TO COUNTLESS DEATHS, AND INJURIES, AND THE ADVERTISEMENTS -- WE COULD HAVE A WHOLE SHOW ABOUT THAT. >> PART OF THE REASON THAT IS THE CASE, TOM, IS BECAUSE IT IS LEGAL AND COMMERCIALIZED BY A
FOR-PROFIT INDUSTRY. FOR-PROFIT INDUSTRY. IT IS NOT JUST ALCOHOL. TOBACCO, SAME THING. WE USED TOBACCO FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND PEOPLE WERE DYING OF LUNG CANCER UNTIL WE HAD A BIG TOBACCO. >> WOULD YOU ALSO ARGUE THEN, THAT LESS REGULATION IS BETTER? I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON YOUR POINT. >> NO. LISTEN, I AM ALL FOR THE REGULATION WHERE IT HAS BEEN LEGAL. WHERE IT HAS BEEN LEGALIZED BY COLORADO, WE DON'T NEED 99%. LET'S AT LEAST DO 20%. LET'S GET WARNING LABELS, WHAT IS HAPPENING TO PREGNANT WOMEN OUT THERE WITH MARIJUANA ISSUES -- I THINK WE ARE REALLY UNDERESTIMATING THE CURRENT DAMAGE OF MARIJUANA, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO MOST PEOPLE THAT IT IS NO BIG DEAL, AND THE REALITY IS IT IS A DIFFERENT DRUG TODAY.
SO, THIS INDUSTRY WANTS TO DO SO, THIS INDUSTRY WANTS TO DO NOTHING OF THE SORT. THEY WANT PUT THE WARNING LABELS OUT, THEY WON'T LET ANY OF THAT STUFF HAPPEN BECAUSE THIS WILL HURT THEIR BOTTOM LINE, THIS IS ABOUT PROFIT OVER PUBLIC HEALTH, THAT IS WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS ABOUT DOLLARS AND CENTS, UNFORTUNATELY. >> I AM SO HAPPY WE HAD YOU ON "TOP STORY" AND HAD YOUR >>> FINALLY TONIGHT, TERRIFYING >>> FINALLY TONIGHT, TERRIFYING MOMENT CAUGHT ON, IN A
CALIFORNIA BASKETBALL GAME, A CALIFORNIA BASKETBALL GAME, A MAN COLLAPSING ON THE COURT AND LOSING CONSCIOUSNESS, BUT TWO OFF-DUTY NURSES WHO HAPPEN TO BE AT THAT REC CENTER JUMPED
INTO ACTION AND LET THEIR INTO ACTION AND LET THEIR TRAINING KICK IN. WE HAVE MORE FROM THE PAIR NOW BEING HAILED AS HEROES. >> Reporter: IT WAS A RACE AGAINST TIME ON THIS BAY AREA BASKETBALL COURT. >> SHE JUST -- HE DIDN'T LOOK GREAT. IT REALLY WASN'T GREAT. >> Reporter: THE NURSES WERE BOTH OFF-DUTY, ENJOYING A SUNDAY AFTERNOON AT THE GYM, WHEN A PLAYER IN A REC LEAGUE GAME SUDDENLY COLLAPSED. TWICE. THE TEAM KNEW THAT THEY HAD JUST SECONDS TO ACT. >> THEY TRIED TO WAKE HIM UP, AND I JUST HAD TO MAKE SURE HE WAS OKAY. >> Reporter: TRULY, LIFE OR DEATH. LESS THAN 6% OF PEOPLE WHO SUFFER CARDIAC ARREST OUTSIDE OF A HOSPITAL SURVIVE. AND LESS THAN 24% IN THE HOSPITAL, ACCORDING TO THE JOURNAL OF MEDICINE. >> I SAID, HE IS NOT BREATHING, I DON'T FEEL A PULSE. >> I HAD ONE JOB TO DO AND THAT WAS TO GET HIS PULSE BACK. I STARTED COMPRESSIONS. >> Reporter: PERFORMING CPR, WHILE WALTON CALLED THE JIM'S AED TO TRY TO RESTART THE HEART. >> I PRESSED THE BUTTON -- >> SHOCK DELIVERED. >> I GAVE HIM A SHOT, AND HE JOLTED, IMMEDIATELY, HE WOKE UP, HE WAS BREATHING NORMAL, AND I WAS LIKE -- THIS IS A MIRACLE. >> Reporter: THE AMATEUR VIDEOGRAPHER CAUGHT THE HARROWING MOMENTS ON CAMERA, THAT NOW HAS ONLOOKERS HAILING THE NURSES AS HEROES. >> INCREDIBLE. WITHOUT EVEN HESITATING, THEY JUST SPRUNG INTO ACTION, AND LET ALL OF THEIR TRAINING KICK IN. >> Reporter: WALTON SAID IT JUST SHOWS THE IMPORTANCE OF GETTING CPR TRAINING. >> TAKE A CPR OR FIRST AID CLASS. IT IS WELCOME KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU CAN APPLY IT IN A LOT OF SITUATIONS AND YOU CAN SAVE
SOMEBODY'S LIFE. LIKE THE ONES ON THE COURT. LIKE THE ONES ON THE COURT. AEDs WILL ACTUALLY HELP YOU OFFER FIRST AID. >> YOU TURN IT ON AND IT WILL JUST DIRECT YOU, WHETHER THAT'S COMPRESSION, APPLYING THE DEFIBRILLATOR PADS. IT WILL TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT TO DO. >> NOW THE TWO NURSES JUST HAPPY THEY WERE ABLE TO HELP THAT MAN WHO IS ON THE ROAD TO RECOVERY BEAT THE ODDS. >> WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY LIKE WE HAD IN THAT GYM, EVERYONE CAME TOGETHER AND HELPED AND IT WAS VERY FAST AND WE SAVED A LIFE AND SAVED THE FAMILY. >>> THANKS SO MUCH FOR WATCHING
