This high-speed rail project is a warning for the US

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Didn’t Real Life Lore already make a (better) video about this? Didn’t Alan Fisher then critique that video for its shortcomings and assumptions? Didn’t Real Life Lore then take that critique to heart, and made a new better video?

What was the point of this video?

👍︎︎ 99 👤︎︎ u/J-J-Ricebot 📅︎︎ Jul 29 2022 🗫︎ replies

Awful video.

Following I-5 would have bypassed major cities like Fresno and it's incredibly insulting to write off the San Joaquin as "nowhere," when it is home to 6.5 million people who deserve better access to the rest of California.

And they're still seriously suggesting that we tunnel through the Grapevine??? You know, the 76-mile steep mountain pass that would probably require the longest tunnels on earth. Yeah, sure. It's totally worth it to save 12 minutes and spend $100 billion more dollars while the current route still makes it from SF-LA within the required 2 hours and 40 minutes.

Vox has made some good content but the obvious lack of research here makes me question the quality of their journalism.

👍︎︎ 68 👤︎︎ u/mikeysfatblackass 📅︎︎ Jul 29 2022 🗫︎ replies

They're interviewing a guy saying "Oh it's not worth putting a stop in places without a lot of people" meanwhile China is actually building HSR and whole-ass cities without people already there because they, you know, are thinking about and preparing for the future.

I know, crazy idea, building infrastructure for future generations! What a concept!

👍︎︎ 40 👤︎︎ u/ImEveryTuna 📅︎︎ Jul 29 2022 🗫︎ replies
👍︎︎ 14 👤︎︎ u/Coneskater 📅︎︎ Jul 30 2022 🗫︎ replies

What? The USA is the best and richest country in the world (spoiler: it isn't the best and wealth is divided well... completely disproportionate), so for sure they can build a few 13000 km's of rail... how hard can it be...

👍︎︎ 13 👤︎︎ u/sreglov 📅︎︎ Jul 29 2022 🗫︎ replies

This video hurt to watch. The united states will never catch up: it doesn’t want to.

👍︎︎ 8 👤︎︎ u/brain_sand 📅︎︎ Jul 30 2022 🗫︎ replies

So basically, nothing will ever change until we destroy the current system?

👍︎︎ 7 👤︎︎ u/Dazzling-Name1882 📅︎︎ Jul 30 2022 🗫︎ replies
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On November 4th, 2008, the people of California voted to fund this: A high-speed rail line. Many countries around the world have had high-speed trains for decades. And this would be the US's attempt to finally catch up. The train would whisk passengers from LA to San Francisco in under 3 hours. And it was all set to open in 2020. Today, it's 2022. And California's high speed rail project is famous. For being a disaster. "...will be the most expensive project in state history..." "...a train that's going to nowhere..." "...train to nowhere..." All that's there today is this one section, still under construction from Bakersfield to Merced. But the failure of this rail line isn't just California's problem. It's an ominous sign for big projects all over the US. We see other advanced economies all around the world that are able to do this. So they can do it. So why can't we? In other words, what is it about the US that made California's high-speed rail line so hard to build? Just to be clear; this was a pretty good idea. A lot of people travel between San Francisco and LA. But the trip takes at least 6 hours by car. It’s less than an hour by plane but that’s not counting time in two of the country’s busiest airports. So a 2-hour and 40 minute trip by high-speed rail made sense. California just needed to design a route that connected its big cities efficiently. It's really about population density and how quickly you can serve areas of high population density. This is Ethan Elkind director for the climate program at UC Berkeley Law School and host of the local “State of the Bay” radio show. You really want those centers where there's a lot of people working and living within a few kilometer range of the station. If you don't have that, then it's not worth a high speed rail stop. But that’s easier said than done. In the early 2000s, the California High-Speed Rail Authority considered two routes in Southern California. This one went straight up the I-5 highway. While this one, looped eastward and stopped in Palmdale. It was 34 miles longer and studies estimated it would be 12 minutes slower. Yet, ultimately, this was the route they chose. So what happened? So the Palmdale stop was really added at the behest of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors that wanted to see a stop for high speed rail in Palmdale. If you have the county that the high-speed rail line is going through opposing it that can create real political problems can create litigation problems, can create permitting problems. Palmdale politicians understandably wanted the train’s riders and business opportunities to come to their district. The problem was that they had the power to hold up the entire project to do so. They have this power because the US government gives it to them. The US is a federal system meaning power is divided between the federal government and state governments which in turn grant some power to local governments. When it comes to infrastructure, a lot of the power and responsibility is often on this local level. That's the compromise that we make here in the United States. We believe in local control to some extent, you know, representative democracy. The downside of that is when you're trying to get a project at this scale built, you know, it does take a lot of compromise. And in order to build a 1300-kilometer high-speed rail line the State High-Speed Rail Authority had to compromise with a lot of local governments. In the Bay Area, politicians pushed for this route, instead of this one, even though it was much more expensive and slower for travelers coming from San Francisco. And in the Central Valley, the route stops in all these cities instead going up this faster route in order to ensure support from the politicians here. All of these little compromises began adding up, making the route slower. And more expensive. Which was a problem. Because the funding was already on shaky ground. When California voted in 2008 the state estimated it would need $33 billion to complete by 2020. But voters were told that California taxpayers would only have to pay 9 billion. That’s because the planners were counting on the federal government to chip in $12-16 billion. And it made some sense: The federal government spends tens of billions of dollars a year on transportation infrastructure. The problem was only a fraction of it goes to trains. Partly because, unlike most countries with high-speed rail the US has a stark political divide on whether we even need it. By 2010, the Democrat-controlled Congress had allocated just over $3 billion for the project. Not nothing, but not nearly as much as the state wanted. But by 2014, the Democrats had lost control of Congress to the Republicans who opposed this kind of mass-transit project. "More money for California’s high-speed rail." "I call it high-cost rail, is a terrible idea." "None of these funds can be used for high speed rail." They made it very difficult for any further federal money to reach this project leaving it well short of funding. It’s an example of how, in the US long-term projects can be at the mercy of whichever party is in power, since they have often have the power to stall it at any time. And it's not just the federal government. Private citizens can also hold things up. It took less than a year for people to start suing the California high-speed rail project. Many cases were based on a law called the California Environmental Quality Act. Known as CEQA. CEQA requires the government to study the environmental effects of any government project, explore alternatives, and release the findings in a report. It's very easy to find a hole in that assessment and then file a lawsuit. It's essentially target practice for lawyers. Many of these lawsuits had legitimate concerns. Some farmers in the Central Valley worried about the train damaging their agricultural land irrigation systems, and crops. But others, simply used CEQA to try and keep the project from being built in their neighborhood. This is a common way in the US for private citizens to block important projects like housing or infrastructure. It's not cheap to bring a CEQA lawsuit. Sometimes you've got very powerful homeowners groups that have sued and force changes or at least delayed the project and run up costs. For the high-speed rail line, these lawsuits were like roadblocks. And to clear them, the state had to hire legions of expensive lawyers. Which added time and costs. I think you do want to have a participatory system. You do want to have people able to say their piece and you want policymakers to respond. Just that you don't want to get to the point where a hyper-local interest has veto over a project of really statewide importance. But take away local politicians, and federal drama, and lawsuits, and this project would’ve still faced problems. The state body in charge of designing and managing this project was the California High-Speed Rail Authority. There was just one problem. The high speed rail authority had never built anything like this. Whoops. Obviously it's a tried and true technology globally but it was new in North America when California tried it. Certainly we didn't have the competence in- house how to build it here. When Japan and France were building their high-speed rail networks they had legions of experienced engineers inside their governments. But the California High-Speed Rail Authority had to hire consultants and contractors to handle the design and construction. These consultants were four times the cost in some cases of what it would have cost to hire someone just to do it in-house. Another reason why the Authority had to keep increasing the estimated cost of the project. Which today, is up to $113 billion to complete the whole line. But, the state only has enough money to build this section in the rural Central Valley. Even if it can get the rest, it will probably take a few more decades to finish this project. High-speed rail is a cautionary tale for really big transformative projects in the US. We need all sorts of rail, transit, bus lanes, new renewable energy facilities, all the things we need to do to have a more sustainable and vibrant economy. But the US is falling further and further behind its peers. Because the political compromises, under-funding, lawsuits, and extra costs that hampered California's high-speed rail can also happen to any other big project the US takes on.
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Channel: Vox
Views: 1,365,559
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Keywords: Vox.com, california, explain, explainer, high speed rail, infrastructure, public transit, vox, vox atlas, voxpowerUSA
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Length: 8min 25sec (505 seconds)
Published: Fri Jul 29 2022
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