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This video is supported by viewers like you.   If you want to help me make more things like this,  consider supporting me on Patreon. Thank you. How do you get rid of your citizenship?  Bit of a weird question, I know. Usually,   it's all about how to get citizenship; which  conditions to meet, which hoops to jump through.  Acquiring citizenship is hard. But it  can be just as hard to get rid of it.   We're talking requirements, fees, bureaucratic  hurdles and so on. And even if you're   doing everything to the letter, it's still  possible your country just won't let you go.  Ideally, citizenship renunciation goes like  so: You go take all necessary documents to   a government office, say you'd like to renounce  your citizenship, human behind desk says okay,   gives you a piece of paper confirming said  renunciation and you're done. Ideally.  In reality, every country can design this  process as it wants, though. There is the   Universal Declaration of Human Rights, saying that  everyone has a right to change their nationality,   meaning citizenship, but it's not quite that easy.  In practice, you don't *change* your citizenship,   but acquire one, and, shortly before or after  that, drop the other one. So, you can't just   show up and ask a civil servant to swap your  French citizenship for a Micronesian one.   Citizenship switching service would  be pretty nice, doesn't exist, though.  But before we go deeper into the renunciation  jungle, a quick word about ethnicity,   nationality, and citizenship. Ethnicity  means: There's a people, and through language,   descent, culture, personal preference,  and so on, you're a part of it. No   written confirmation or documentation needed. Citizenship, on the other hand, is only given   out by states, and confirmed in official records  and documents. In a nation state, most citizens   have the same ethnicity; for example, Austrian  citizens also being part of the Austrian people.   Doesn't have to be that way, though. You can  just as well be an Austrian citizen of Croatian,   Catalonian, or Kurdish ethnicity. Nationality lies somewhere between   ethnicity and citizenship, because it's  sometimes used synonymously with the one,   then the other, and sometimes  as a kind of citizenship light,   with only part of the rights and duties of full  citizenship. US Nationals, for example, when they   are not also US citizens, can vote in local, but  not state or federal elections. The point being:   "Nationality" is really imprecise, so let's just  use "citizenship", so we're all on the same page. Now we know what citizenship  means, but how do we get rid of it?  As easy as possible is the process in  Tonga. Only one condition required.   You need a foreign citizenship. As soon as  you do, you can waltz right in, present your   foreign passport and you're already ... Tonga does not have a legal process for  renouncing your citizenship, but they do have an absolute ban on dual citizenship without exceptions. Acquiring any other citizenship  immediately invalidates your Tongan one.   Such an auto-renunciation,  though usually not as strict,   can be found in lots of countries without  fully accepted dual citizenship, like Austria.  If you have Austrian citizenship, but  get any other, you lose it automatically,   just like in Tonga. But what's different, is  that in Austria, exceptions for dual citizenship   can be made, for example for children with  only one parent with Austrian citizenship,   or when it's approved because of personal or  family circumstances. But since you can't use   that mighty auto-renunciation move anymore,  except if you get a third citizenship, there   needs to be a separate way to get rid of it. And  for that, you do have to tick a few more boxes.   Beside having another citizenship, you also need  to have completed the military or civil service,   if a man between 16 and 36, and can't have  committed any crimes punishable by more than   six months. Except if you've been living out  of country for more than five years at a time.   Then, those two conditions fall through.  Finally, you pay 50 to 100 Euros in fees and   your renunciation's all done. If you're now asking:  then I say: 1, that's a highly idiotic thing  to do, and 2, no, you need to have another   citizenship always. Otherwise, you'd be stateless,  meaning: no valid passport and no diplomatic   protection. In short: Very bad. That's why you  need one to lose the other. Safety glass over   the self-destruct button, if you will. A great  many countries have those, but not all. The US,   for example, does not "force" you to get a new  citizenship before dropping theirs. They point out   what a grandly stupid idea it would be to press  the button, but if you really really want to ... Instead, they have all kinds of other  requirements, though. It's not enough to just   get another citizenship and you're done. There  are two ways of getting rid of US citizenship:   Relinquishing and renouncing. It is not, but good question.  Relinquishing works by acquiring another  citizenship, pledging allegiance to another   country, or crazy things like serving in  an enemy military, or treason. But for the   relinquishment to be valid, you have to do it  with the intention of losing citizenship. If   you're doing one of those things without wanting  to give it up, your citizenship stays right as   it were. And that intention you gotta prove.  So you file a request, everything is checked,   and if they believe you, you're rid of your  citizenship. If not, all stays the same.  Because of that, it makes much  more sense to not relinquish,   but renounce your citizenship. For that, you  officially declare your intention to do so,   make an appointment for it, all documents  are checked, and if everything's fine,   you personally declare your renunciation,  and get a piece of paper confirming it.  The thing that's making that process a smidgen  harder than in Austria, is that, in the USA,   no matter if you're relinquishing or renouncing,  whether your application goes through or not,   you must pay a fee of 2350 dollars American.  That's the highest renunciation fee in the world.   Next highest are Jamaica, 1010$,  Egypt, 800$, and Sierra Leone, 663$.  But whatever's the reason you're trying to  drop your citizenship, one word of warning:   It won't help you get out of criminal prosecution,  military duty, or tax debt. If you forget paying   your taxes for a few years and then try jumping  ship to save yourself ... not the best idea.  And taxes, in the US, quite a topic in  itself. Because they, together with Myanmar,   Hungary, and Eritrea, form the small group  of countries taxing people by citizenship,   no matter where they live or work. Thanks to a  bunch of bilateral agreements, double taxation   is often prevented, but US expats still  have to submit a US tax return every year.  What's that got to do with citizenship  renunciation? The following: If you renounce your   citizenship and are of considerable means - over  2 millions in total capital or an average of 100   000 in annual income tax - you also get to - as  a parting gift - pay capital gains tax on all   your assets. So when you're renouncing -  doesn't matter if you reach that amount or   not - you must have filed tax returns for the  last five years and a separate expatriation tax   document. If you have not, you get a notice  and a penalty of 10 000$ on top of that. In the US, renunciation is possible, but  complicated and expensive. But it gets even   better in Iran. That starts with the fact that  you have to be 25 to even be able to renounce.   In most countries, you simply have to reach the  age of majority, that's 18 in Iran. Still, you can   only renounce at 25. Second, you must have already  completed the compulsory 18 to 24 months of   military service if a man of military age. Third,  you have to give up all real estate in Iran and   entitlements to such. If you own a beet field in  Iran, you won't get rid of that citizenship. All   of that is already pretty annoying, but then you  have to also, four, ask the council of ministers   for permission to renounce. And ... who knows how  interested the Iranian council of ministers is   in the renunciation wishes of its subjects. In  any case, the council can, without stating any   reason and without any form of legal recourse,  just say no. That's bad luck for you, then.  says the Iranian embassy in the Netherlands.  Well, if they state it like that, it must be true.  The cherry on top is: If you, despite the  unlikelihood of a permission to renounce,   try to get that whole process into motion  by downloading the renunciation form,   the "404 - not found" on the Iranian ministry of  foreign affairs website will have you reconsider. Here's the question, though: Why would a country  not permit its citizens to renounce? What's the   use in forcing citizenship on people? Well,  with every citizenship come rights and duties.   The rights, you usually experience much more,  but duties of allegiance, military service,   jury functions, and voting are, depending on  the country, in force also. But most of all,   citizenship means that a country has  diplomatic power over your affairs.  Let's say you have citizenships of countries A  and B. The B one, you've been wanting to drop   for years, but they won't let you. If you're  now imprisoned in country B for ... espionage,   let's say, diplomats from A don't  have a great argument against that,   because B maintains you are their citizen,  so they're responsible for you. A can of   course try whatever they want, but  as long as you're a citizen of B,   it's hard to argue it's not their call. Then, there's one more, less practical,   but highly emotional reason to  deny renunciation: Short and bad: We have had: Automatic renunciation,   renunciation under conditions with low  and high fees, and theoretically possible,   but practically impossible renunciation. But,  I've got one more. Namely, countries where you   can simply not renounce your citizenship at  all. Not hard to do, not unlikely, but simply   impossible. That's how it is in Argentina. If  you've had Argentine citizenship since birth,   like the ultimate gum on your shoe, you cannot,  in no single case, without exception, without   any loopholes, never ever get rid of it. The  reason for that is ... pretty weak on its legs:   The state must not deprive its subjects of  their citizenship, so losing citizenship is   made impossible in general. Even if you ask for  it, no chance. It gets especially interesting when   you're obligated to give up your old citizenship  to acquire a new one. In that case ... you still   can't, but at least they hand you a document  assuring everyone that renunciation is, for realz,   never a possibility. Whether the other country  accepts that is another question altogether.  One possible solution would be a kind  of citizenship zero, which lets you stay   Argentine on paper, but frees you from  all citizenship-related rights and duties.   But that also is not possible, because Argentina  has not just the most clingy citizenship there is,   but also mandatory voting. And since citizens  have to vote, a zero version would break the   law once again. So, no matter what, Argentina's  citizenship and all the things that come with it   stick with you forever. But to be fair,  Argentina isn't alone in that. Costa Rica,   Uruguay, Libya, and a few other countries  also have no possibility of renunciation. The reason Argentina and others are so darn  scared of citizenships being revoked that   they make even renouncing them impossible, can  be seen in Malawi, where the minister in charge   can take away people's citizenships on  a whim. They don't need a reason for it,   and you can't fight the decision in court. And  revoking someone's citizenship, obviously a pretty   big deal, as rights to residence, voting, and so  on are tied to it. In Malawi, one cannot become   stateless by losing their citizenship, so it only  applies to dual citizens, but still not cool. No matter how you turn it, when a country  forces you to keep your citizenship,   that's a big problem. Citizenship should  reflect a certain connection to a country;   ideally a voluntary one. If that connection isn't  there anymore, why should you be obligated to keep   your citizenship? And it's not like it's  just on paper. Retained citizenships can   cause major problems. You go on holiday  to the old homeland to visit the family,   but because you've not completed military  service, you're jailed for desertion.  It gets even more pressing when you're  in line to acquire another citizenship,   but are rejected because you cannot renounce your  old one. That way, a foreign country indirectly   denies you citizenship with all rights and duties  in your new home country. If you've built yourself   a life in a place, you live and work there,  but the old country forces you and possibly   even your children to keep its citizenship,  that's no less than arbitrary state despotism.
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