The West is Burning - Feature Documentary

my neighbor knocked on my door very aggressively and said shirley get out here and i said what's going on karen and she said santa rosa is burning down i couldn't believe what i was seeing we got into the helicopter and it the winds were blowing 40 to 50 miles an hour there was smoke and fire everywhere all i could do was look and say to mike thompson our congressman who had been in vietnam it looks like a war went on down there it looks like a bomb and he kept turning to me and saying yeah that's what it looks like but it's actually worse hard to talk about still those first few days were so hard we didn't sleep much we worked all the time the night of october 8th we had a windstorm and that windstorm led to 17 different fire starts across this landscape all around santa rosa those 17 fires sort of rushed into each other and became two main large fire events stop lights were out the power was out people did not know which direction to go it was really chaotic there are close to about 20 fires that are scorching hundreds of thousands thousands of firefighters have been unable to cross eight counties and hundreds more people were missing it traveled 16 miles in an instant it seemed like it just came roaring over the hills i've seen a lot of forest fires but i had never seen anything like this before it was it was otherworldly [Music] the wildfire issue has become intense in the united states and it's gotten so much worse over the last 10 and 15 years it's startling we've had years and years of drought here in california and there's no doubt it's gotten hotter and windier and those conditions are ripe for wildfires which now turn into urban fires it turns out there are more people in harm's way and the harm is getting worse so i think people are starting to realize that we have a crisis on our hands i think it could very likely happen again here that's part of the sadness of all of this is that we all want to rebuild and recover and yet we still live with these tremendous risks these wildfires are increasingly becoming an urban phenomenon i mean this to me you couldn't illustrate it more than this we're not up in the hills you know we're in downtown santa rosa the fire blew into santa rosa in the early morning hours i think it was about four in the morning i know people in this neighborhood who got the warning looked out saw a wall of flame got in their car escaped and four minutes later their house was on fire so that's how rapidly the fire moved through here we've increasingly encroached our communities into these landscapes where we have removed fire and grazing from a lot of the landscape and so the shrub layer has built up the grasses have built up and now when fire does come it's a conflagration we've been suppressing fire here for so long that you could live here for an entire generation and never seen an event like happen last year so it's in that beginning stages of a learning curve culturally here my biggest struggle is helping people understand that landscapes have always been actively managed by indigenous people and that we have a need to steward our parks and open spaces and that that will make them safer and it will also restore habitats both for wildlife and for our forests we need to be burning we need to be thinning and that's a big lift a lot of people have deep skepticism about that fire's only one tool in the box right so one thing we're doing is trying to ramp up our sheep and go grazing program really get those critters out there browsing down the shrub layer the second tool is mechanical treatment you know so going in there hand cutting but by far the cheapest tool in the box is prescribed fire so to the degree to which we as land managers can get the public comfortable with prescribed fire we'll be able to do a lot more acres for a lot fewer dollars and that's kind of the goal nice to see you hey this is my daughter kira nice to meet you come on in this is beautiful thank you so much marty marty roberts good to meet you my goal tonight is to make sure that if you have any questions or you feel like you're going to get tough questions i can help you answer them right so basically the the ballot measure is roughly carved into three buckets safety access and then the third is my favorite because natural resources so protecting the environment and for everyone in this room what i want you to understand is that this is a game changer for us if we get this ballot measure this little thing that i stood up called the natural resource division at sonoma county regional parks which is mighty but small will really be real i mean we will have the funds to do a lot of what i do is looking at these landscapes and trying to figure out how do we restore the natural process let's make sure that we get prescribed fire back in our toolbox in this part of the world which is my goal because that actually draws down the fuel loads and helps protect our neighboring towns and communities [Music] by the time i was eight years old i discovered that in fact there was a profession called forestry and they paid people to actually go out and spend time in the woods and i decided right then that's what i wanted to do and that i wanted to work for the forest service the mindset of the forester in mid 20th century was very much that forests were a collection of trees that you managed to produce wood in the post-world war ii era there was tremendous pressure on the forest service to increase the timber harvest on federal lands in order to provide the wood that was needed to build all the homes for the veterans that were coming back and starting their lives over again the agency sort of went over to the dark side and through the 50s 60s 70s and 80s the timber harvest just continued to go up yeah i'm i'm a history buff and certainly world war ii history because i was kid growing up right in the middle of it so up until the 70s and 80s science had all been oriented towards how do we manage forest lands to produce trees as a crop and nobody had done any significant research at all on what was the nature of these forest ecosystems so all of the pre-world war ii period was devoted very much to creating a forest service that could detect and suppress fire the real mistake was made which was to assume all fire was bad and all fire should be put out it was particularly effective in areas that had historically had a lot of fire frequent fire they had very low levels of accumulation of fuels they had four structures that were very resistant to fire but in order to maintain those kinds of conditions fire needed to be allowed to continue and we didn't allow that the fuels began to accumulate the structure of the forest changed fuel-filled force would now be consumed by the fire [Music] historically in these fire frequent landscapes the fires were often very large but they weren't intense our problem today is that we have large intense fires [Music] in the intermountain west and the sierra nevada we're talking about millions of acres that need treatment [Music] now at the same time there were other force like our douglas for hemlock force on the west side of the cascades that the fire suppression policy didn't change their fundamental nature these were forests that didn't burn frequently these are the the really classic forests of the coastal pacific northwest very high productivity lots of down wood and of course all of this organic material represents fuels they have a very different kind of relationship with fire than the forests that are in the dry part of the country the frequent fire force the appropriate strategy for a forest like this is to in fact be very aggressive about detecting and suppressing fires so that fire doesn't get into this sort of a forest and the neat thing about that is suppressing fire in this forest isn't going to make it unnatural these forests are used to going for hundreds of years without fire this one is is doing things on a scale that defy our ability to modify greatly we need to understand and respect these environments i was born in oregon studied forestry at berkeley and then i was planning on a career working for the forest service as a silviculturist and unfortunately the year that i graduated was a year that the bottom fell out of the timber market and feel very fortunate that i landed my current job with the wilderness society and uh that was 26 and a half years ago so there was an erosion of trust in the agency's commitment to non-timber resources policies of the forest service rewarded timber management above all other resources on the national forest and through the 60s and 70s was leading to the intentional elimination of old growth which was considered to be slow growing and not an ideal resource for forestry and foresters had been so successful at that that there was very little growth left wow you just don't see this kind of board anymore this is a coast redwood board cut from a single tree in 1940. i but this place hasn't changed in 50 years [Music] amazing [Music] my name is susan jane brown and i'm a staff attorney and wildlands program director for the western environmental law center i got involved in forest environmental issues when i came to oregon in 1997 to attend lewis and clark law school and wanted to practice environmental law [Music] i had never seen old growth forest before you hear people talk about how they're these cathedral forests and it definitely feels that way it's good to be humbled by a place like that particularly here in the northwest there's a lot of old growth logging depending on who you talk to between two and five percent of those native forests are still left they need all the help that we can give them i felt that that was really my calling that was what i wanted to do i wanted to protect those places certainly legal work is really challenging because at the end of the day somebody wins and somebody loses and if you don't win you know the the implication is that a special place is is lost back in the 70s and 80s we were harvesting billions board feet every year off of the forest in oregon and washington alone you can only do that for so long before the ecosystem starts to give out and that's exactly what started to happen it wasn't sustainable [Music] once the scientists started detecting changes in wildlife populations including the spotted owl people kind of put two and two together and realized that the disappearance of old growth forest was leading to the potential extinction of species and that drove environmentalists to act the trust that the agency lost the public trust was substantial and they're still trying to come back from that so when the agency says oh just trust us don't worry it's like no i don't trust you i remember logging without laws no [Music] just like the amazon you know once you cut it down to a level it's gone i spent 18 years in the sawmill business and they're toying with my life over time as we learn more about these force and as congress learn more about these forests the tide turned too much was being lost in this very aggressive pursuit of converting the national forest to timber farms bill clinton directed that a team be assembled to facilitate an economic transition away from large amounts of old growth logging toward a community economy that could be sustained at a lower level of logging and that became the northwest forest plant which designated a series of large protected mostly old growth areas across the cascade mountain range and west in washington oregon and northern california and that sort of set off dominoes across the national forest system harvest on the national forests fell by an order of magnitude in just a few years well we come here in 1945 and then in 65 i quit the forest service partnered with my folks and uh run the store we had anywhere from two to three hired help that was on the floor with us at most times and we run from about seven o'clock in the morning till eight o'clock at night when we locked the store down this was the liquor store and over here in this section we wrote game licenses but i do miss the people that you used to do because there was all kind of people they were nice people and you they were interesting and whatever else but the rigmarole you had to put up with the government i don't miss that they marked off that timber up there as old growth timber can't log it you can't do anything with it and it's old growth when the sawmills quit out and the logging quit then i couldn't make enough money to pay hired help so that lost a lot of population then they shut the forest service down that lost some more population and so we're down to probably i don't know 60 80 people i don't know what the logic is but basically it's government government logic hi brenda hi greg how's clerking going it's going well my name is mark webb i'm currently executive director for blue mountains forest partners before that i was grant county judge for one term six years i do remember one time commissioner britton and i were at a meeting with state fire marshal and some other folks out of monument and i was new to office then and a state fire marshal had misled me on something and i went over the desk to get him and commissioner britton pulled me down so that's probably what i remember most i was ready for something before collaborative involvement the environmental community really didn't appreciate what we were trying to do in grant county for our respect from the landscape and there was a lot of animosity or distrust well i was skeptical that there was compromise possible i started doing east side timber sale work when i was still in law school as long as i could remember there had been at least three males going here prairie wood products grant western and uh malheur lumber both grant western and not here lumber were big log meals so they took gold growth i'd done a bunch of litigation we'd shut down the malheur's timber program so there really just wasn't anything happening and that worked fine for me when you shut down an industry and it's about the only industry that provides a livelihood here you're pretty upset and it's hard to talk it was an interesting time it was very challenging my first trip to grant county i brought somebody with me because i wasn't sure that my safety was assured i didn't meet susan jane until a former county commissioner that i served with boyd britton had a federal lawsuit and as boyd would do he wanted to know who was shutting us down somebody pointed into susan jane and he went over and asked if we couldn't do things differently essentially and invited her out i met mark webb for the first time in 2004 maybe well i know what mark thought of me mark thought i had horns and a tail it was what mark thought you know i was a lawyer and i'm a liberal female from portland coming into his community to tell him what to do you know the impetus for being out there was a bad fire season in 2002. we had a lot of big fires in oregon those sorts of occurrences were becoming more and more common whereas every you know decade or so you'd have a bad fire year it was now every four or five years and then it was every two or three years and now it's pretty much every year that the only reason industry and the environmental community came together at all is because neither had an option anymore sj and others had essentially shut down the logging industry and they were desperate for wood and they were willing to take anything they could get as long as they got some more wood fortunately for us the environmental community was also coming to appreciate that while they might have saved the old growth trees from the timber industry they were beginning to lose them increasingly to catastrophic wildfires fires that would have been unnatural in the landscape in the past and so they were confronted with the challenge of having to address that through active management which they've been spending a lot of time shutting down this problem is not abstract there are a few places where people have taken aggressive action to reduce the fuels around their homes and around communities and those places are definitely much better off but at the larger scale the fuel buildup continues the climate continues to worsen making it warmer lowering relative humidities perhaps even causing changes in wind patterns and precipitation and now we have more extreme fire weather when we get it the problem we have in the us right now is that we put out every fire that we can so we only get fire behavior associated with fires we can't put out that means that the majority of the fire that we get is high severity fire that burns in a way that we don't want and then more and more people are living in the wildland urban interface the place where wildland fuels come in contact with homes and so there are more people in harm's way and the harm is getting worse my dad's family's been here since the 1850s so his father grandfather grandmother great grandmother they're all raised up here this is what the house looked like my mother passed away a couple months ago so i'm kind of glad that she's not here to see what happened but uh been less than a month since this area burned there's green leaves popping out all through the canopy of this forest these trees are going to survive they're going to be fine so it's a fire adapted ecosystem for sure it's the houses that were not very fire adapted unfortunately issues of community wildfire safety and forest ecosystem health led to the desire to do fuel treatment work and so we've spent the last 25 years or so trying to work through that and progress has definitely been made but there's still work ahead of us the carr fire and the accumulative impacts of fires over the last you know decade of my living here in this really active fire environment where you deal with this acute stress every summer and it persists over months is you know it's hard to live with i just sort of back up to this is a generational problem right we created it over generations and so it's going to take generations to fix it you know my job my lifetime is to make an increment of progress towards something better the watershed center you know is an organization like many other community-based organizations that were born out of the timber wars we came into our work with an idea that we could find this elegant solution that linked economic development with land stewardship so we were raising money to run crews that are doing you know thinning all around the county in partnership with the forest service and private land owners we were getting cooperative agreements to do prescribed firework in and around our communities and so hearing melanie talk to me about what she's doing after the wine country fires last year and we're already talking about ideas about how we're going to work together because we're doing this innovative prescribed firework and now people in sonoma county want to do that same work i've got something to share this one here is a perfect example this is a trailer blowout as well and so here you go it starts racing on a west wind right community's here it's high school we're like here this isn't just a fuel treatment save the day yeah yeah you know fire suppression still matters preparedness all those things right but this fire blows out runs across town looks like it's going to be this conflagration runs head-on into this prescribed fire treatment less than a year old and just lays down it literally cannot burn through that and so it flanks it lays down they pick it up look prescribed fire in this place yeah makes the difference that's great and if we can start reinforcing that with these overlapping and you know staggered polygons of fire you know that actually you got to come tell that story in sonoma county this fuel complex that we're standing in the middle of is kind of the classic western problem of a relatively open high fire frequency forest that's now been partially logged and left fire free for decades and you can see the result that's now choked full of second growth douglas fir so there are a lot of factors that have all kind of come together at the same time historical logging grazing and fire suppression allowed all these seedlings that had gotten established to grow up into the forest that has now gotten much more complex it has big trees and small trees and live and dead fuels that can carry a surface fire from the ground all the way up into the canopy but it's important to understand that there is a solution if we can just marshal the resources to get the work done this is not an intractable problem i'm putting three maple bars three maple bars and three chocolate covered cake doughnut okay foundation in a box fort yeah then why don't you put a couple of apple danish in there okay sounds good for my wife if we don't maybe we'll get home with them maybe we won't i'm about to the chocolate walnut i think we got enough for lunch in terms of the frequent fire landscapes where we have created these unnatural accumulations of fuels we certainly have the opportunity to do restoration in these but we can't simply put fire back into them most of them because it's been so long now since there's been fire in these the accumulations of fuels are so great that we would not be able to control a fire if we tried to put fire back into those and everything would burn up just as it does with a wildfire so what we need to do in many of these environments is in fact go in and begin by mechanically reducing those fuels by sawing the axe and removing that material when we can in order to help pay for the treatment that we're doing then it becomes possible to reintroduce fire or allow fire to reintroduce itself in those one of the things that you do in one of these restoration treatments is obviously reduce the density of the forest and the amount of fuels that are present in it now what you leave behind are uh for example the large fire resistant pine trees and large trees in these fours that's what they've done here dramatically reduce the stand density and they have retained the oldest largest pine trees that were present in this stand very important ecologically and they're also the fire resistant part of this forest the neat thing here is we know what to do it's just a question of whether we have the will to do it in terms of investing money and energy in restoring the fire resistant condition there are differences among the various environmental interest groups in terms of their attitude towards active management of force nevertheless many of the groups understand very clearly that it's time to end the timber wars and it's time to get back out there that in fact we need to be engaged with these forests we need to be helping these forests the forest wars have been such that nobody wins and it's just sort of this war of attrition you know mark's a a pretty cerebral guy he's he's really smart he's very articulate and he eventually saw the writing on the wall and he didn't want his community to you know dry up and blow away which was what was going to happen you know we want old growth and we want robust communities those are things that we all want and there is a way to get there and so those sorts of conversations started to develop on the male here with the blue mountains forest partners [Music] the goal of the organization is to bring together stakeholders to develop large landscape restoration projects on the mall here that are science-based and that also have a socioeconomic benefit to the local community we've got a lot of big but young trees out there that are the wrong species too many of them taking them all and they gotta go yeah so there's plenty of volume to be taken off it's just not what historically we would have focused on and it might require require some market development and infrastructure retooling yeah learning curves learn yes is that what is that five years in like oh whoops learning yeah i just look at sj as a partner that's moving things along in really good ways she and her husband bought a house here they're good people prairie wood closed a number of years ago grant western which was an old growth ponderosa pine mill also closed leaving only mount here lumber they're the only infrastructure that is anywhere in that part of the country the nearest milling infrastructure is either down in southeast oregon or in northeast oregon by and large the industry in eastern oregon has shifted its attention and it's not as committed at all to going after the bigger trees malheur lumber has retooled which meant that they basically replaced all of their infrastructure that was designed to mill larger timber so they could mill smaller diameter material 18 to 23 is kind of their sweet spot and there are a lot of those kinds of trees out on the landscape that need to go for restoration purposes and so they're well positioned to capitalize on the restoration that's happening on the forest restoration looks different depending on where you are it looks different on the west side of the cascades than it does on the east side on the east side where we do have fire prone forest or frequent fire forest the restoration generally looks like retaining the oldest biggest trees that still remain there's not a lot of them but you start with those as the backbone of your restoration approach and then attempt to thin out the smallest trees that are ladder fuels and encourage the next generation of oak growth trees to grow up as a result of sort of that succession process almost everyone is on board now they may not be in a hundred percent agreement but everybody agrees that what's been going on needs to change and that's what the collaboratives are all about they're about developing a social consensus that then provides the license for the agency to move forward with the programs we need to be doing a lot more restoration which does include thinning and prescribed fire than we are the need is great and we will never get there at the pace that we're going there are a lot of barriers the first is funding and staffing for the forest service forest service is the biggest landowner in eastern oregon they are not funded by congress and they are not staffed appropriately to put these kinds of projects together they simply just don't have the money and they don't have the people to do it it's such a small agency with such a large mission the problems are not problems of attitude or technical information the problem is insufficient budget and insufficient personnel to carry out what they're prepared to do this is my 33rd fire season the normal is starting to be a fire season that starts earlier and ends way way later there's not really a non-fire season anymore it seems like the fires are getting a lot larger you know normally we catch these fires at you know five ten thousand acres this is the mendocino complex and it's one of the largest in california's history at the beginning of the fire a lot of the resources were tied to the car fire and reading which had a lot of home loss and so that was very important to have a lot of the resources there time there's 21 units in the state and they've all been directed to do fuel reduction projects and we just got to catch up with it all wildfire suppression operations are really quite expensive the u.s forest service itself as the world's largest firefighting organization it is now spending a vast amount of its budget as high as 57 of the total budget was spent on on fire related activities and to a certain extent that was coming out of the other monies available for managing our lands i mean i always used to say that was kind of like telling the coast guard that you're not going to get to work because we spent your money on a hurricane we wouldn't do that and we shouldn't do that with forest managers [Music] so that's where the fire fix came in it was a recognition that you have a budget an agency budget that's not stable that is pulling funds away from those programs that need to be funded whether it's for fire risk reduction or anything else it accesses disaster funding and creates a new source of funding for a portion of suppression so you have two pots of funding this flat level out of the normal appropriations process and everything above that comes out of this new disaster fund so you stabilize the forest service budget the fire funding fix is a big deal we're very very proud of it but now we have the next step that we need to do we need to invest in all the proven work to support community efforts that are so vital that we need so we can learn about how to be fire adapted communities on uh federal forest service lands up there some pretty neat stuff up in minnesota the forest service estimates that 80 million acres of its 193 million acre land base is in need of some sort of restoration because it is at risk of catastrophic wildfire or insect and disease outbreaks we need to be focusing on a restoration economy and approach and we need to be making sure that you know we can reduce the wildfires that we've seen and protect our homes and our communities and the resources we care about but that's not to suggest it's going to be an easy fix a lot of the material that comes off of these forests is very small it is very low value and there's a lack of markets for it so we are going to need to continue to have innovation and investment to make sure that we can remove that material for environmental purposes not just for markets and economies but they can definitely go hand in hand and as we grow those markets we're able to process and use more of that and that helps us get more work done on the ground vlogging brothers were one of the first mills that saw the riding on the wall and they retooled their mills and got extremely efficient so a lot of these trees that are being thinned to improve forest health are now going to that mill and creating wood products that we can buy in communities in the northwest we're talking about millions of acres of problems which means millions and millions of tons of material that need to come out we need scalable solutions so this is where the logs come in from the log yard the logs go from here right through the user and turn into lumber very quickly so the technology shift from basically taking a big log and whittling away from the outside and just cutting high quality boards all the way in to a small diameter log that was centered in the machine that was kind of the technological shift that happened so as the logs come through here he's just watching for all the different operations making sure the flow works through the process and then as that log comes through the machine it gets positioned properly and the important part in this process is that the logs are perfectly centered through there and then they need to be turned properly so you get not only the most volume out of each log but that it's cut with the grain properly so it lays flat so when somebody goes to build with it it's actually a straight piece of lumber to actually use the significant volume of small diameter low-value wood coming off of federal forest lands is going to require a lot of innovation in new markets it's firewood it's wood chips it's biomass energy electricity and heating that can offset fossil fuels it's also really advanced high value wood products like mass timber cross laminated timber that take a lot of this small diameter material and actually creates large engineered wood products mass timber is a building process where we're using high-tech adhesives and processes to glue lumber together and once that glue dries the glue is actually stronger than the wood so it's kind of like weaving the wood together not only does that add value to those products but it allows us to use wood in new ways like building skyscrapers out of wood and that creates a lot of environmental and public benefits because not only are we using this wood and restoring the health of our forest but we're reducing carbon emissions by building with wood in our communities instead of concrete or steel a lot of that we've seen with the farm to table movement with food people are really concerned about where their food comes from how it was grown who grew it what processes went into it is it safe is it healthy how often do you ask that question about the paper that you use or the wood that's in your house but it's just as important and so we're starting to tell the story and connect the public with their wood products and actually trying to create a holistic circle where they can actually understand where their resources come from and continue to support those economies and get more work done on the ground [Music] you would get into great difficulties if you turned over the management of these force just to people who fought fire and were concerned with fuels if you focus on a single outcome such as fuel loadings [Music] you tend to marginalize other important values such as wildlife habitat for example you need to have interdisciplinary groups that are designing these restoration programs we're going to have prescribed fire here at sonoma county regional parks right here in sonoma valley pretty excited about that so if it does get across that road down there we'll have to pick that up just so we don't impact that okay the power balls hey cal fire you guys can integrate you know with the local government here you guys don't have to hang out like separate pockets now also we have an anticipated ignition sequence on the map shown by numbers and arrows steve and i will be communicating as he's at point a one he's putting fire on the ground point a two etc hey question so [Applause] all far pretty exciting i didn't know what the shroud was for until the fire got lit i was like oh it's to keep smoke out of your lungs it feels like the first ignition is kind of the iffiest because you just don't know because that's how i felt when you guys first ignited i was a little nervous because i was like i don't know where this is going to go but then once you get a friend you just get into this like nonverbal communication and you're like in the flow and it's just it's an awesome feeling you just know that person needs water or that person needs you to scrape and uh and you're not even talking you know we kind of had amnesia here in sonoma county until all the fires of october 2017 and now we've woken up and we know that we have to have a little bit of smoke and controlled fire before we get a mega fire coming through here so it's really exciting to me we're turning the corner [Music] i've known this girl since like elementary school but we were never really friends so when her house burned down everyone was like my condolences like this is really sad and all of this and my family was of course like you know do you need anything like can we help you and she was like yeah i want to live with you and we were like because we didn't know her that well or anything she ended up being like the best friend i've ever had and we kept on being like man this is crazy like this never would have happened if your house didn't burn down all right do you guys know what you'd like to order all right we're putting it for you we're going to continue to fight fire but fire is also going to escape control and it's there that we need to try to create the conditions that'll allow the fires that do escape control to burn without catastrophic ecological damage the resilience of the landscape and the resilience of the community are the same thing they're not people in nature my experience has been that you can make a difference and what you do and what you learn and what you practice can make a difference it makes me very very grateful so the people who are willing to think outside of those silos and find the new way that's the fellowship that's that's all of us you know you've got to be able to pick your head up every once in a while and like hear other people's stories and have kind of shared purpose but in truth a generational problem if you want to make progress on it take sacrifice [Music] so 2017 was the first big fire to hit santa rosa in a very long time 60 plus years and 2020 we already had the wall bridge fire everyone just repopulated and now we have this glass fire complex on the east side of town so a stubborn fire substantially impacted because of that five-year historic drought it looks like a war zone the whole city is quiet a lot of it's out of power you know almost no one slept last night i think people here are very fatigued very fatigued yeah my 86 year old mom with lung conditions came at midnight last night she was under evacuation order and you can see the fire from our neighborhood up on the ridge top in the distance this is from my neighborhood if anything goes wrong you go to zach's or you get the pets and you go to the slaver field basically does that make sense and you've got your phone charged with each repeated event people are going oh this is not a one-off this is not an accident but i think we are turning the corner with people's awareness basically just starting to get ready i've got the important papers um i've got my firefighting stuff if we end up getting drawn into the response these patterns are here to stay for the foreseeable future and we need to prepare for it to save people's lives so the story's not over here in santa rosa [Music] you

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Published: Sat Sep 11 2021