(cow moos) (insects buzzing) (soft, rhythmic music) (indistinct chattering) - [Bob] On September
10th, life was perfect. We had two kids, Bobby and
Jeff working up in New York, living up in New York. We were on a
pedestal on the 10th. - [Drew] I was
having a lot of fun. I guess the only
sort of downside was that I didn't get
to see my mom too much. I was just being a kid. You want to be out doing stuff and like I said, she was
commuting to the city every day. - [Bill] I was not in
a good place in my life On the 10th of September. I had spent some time with Frank
and that was the good part. - [Matt] On the 10th
I'm on the beach obviously with my mom
and my wife and two kids. They were probably six
months, 18 months at the time, so you're doing
stuff like you do, playing in the sand,
building sandcastles and just enjoying that time. And, you know,
that's how we kind of imagined the rest of the
holiday would pan out. (ominous music)
(indistinct chattering) - [Woman] You can't forget. (ominous music)
(indistinct chattering) - Well prior to 9/11, I
was involved in activism, United Nations Group,
and the idea was that we would work kind
of like the United States on a international level. So when 9/11 happened and the subsequent
change in atmosphere, it was really hard to
talk about anything that made sense publicly, because it was kind
of a unilateral United States world
that we were going to do whatever we wanted and it was going to be violent and it was going to be warlike. My name is Robert Griffin,
I'm a psychologist and I went to
school at Penn State and Marywood University
in Pennsylvania. Like most I get
up and get coffee and it's time to get to work. Some people go
through the trauma of the loss and
the violent death and then also go
through the trauma of finding out that things
aren't as they seemed or that there's problems
that hurt in other ways. So their trauma initially
is disorienting. How do we fit in
the world anymore? Am I a father? Am I a son? - [Helen] I just got
a text from Jeff. We have to be there at
10 to seven tomorrow. Can you get the sugar, hun?
- Yeah. - Did I put in enough
water? Yeah, I'm good. I left some in
there from earlier. - When you have a child die,
it's very tough for families. Some people do pull together. It depends a lot on who
they are before it happened and they seem to be
made of the right stuff to be able to support each other and to stay as a family and
also enjoy their grandkids. (Helen sighs) - One day at a time, right?
- Yep. - Okay, I guess the best
thing is to text Jeff back and tell him that you'll go
with Zoe and I'll go with Danny. - That's great.
- Yeah, that works. Yeah. - I'd rather travel
to Schuylkill that
early in the morning- - Yeah.
- Than in the afternoon, that's for sure. - Well, both of us
will get to see. - Yeah.
- Yeah, see the kids. - I don't know
what the scene is, but that's Jeff and Bobby there. He was a good friend of mine. I just went to his grave site. - It's been years since
I wore a wedding band and now because we
got these at our 50th, I'm gonna wear it all the time. - Do you know when I
lost the first one? - I have it in my drawer.
- You still have it? - I found it, yeah. - Here's Jeff and Bobby. I forget what this was. Probably he was in Princeton
or just had left Princeton. He left Princeton in '97 and this is of course Bobby at, I'm sure it's, yeah,
it's at Princeton. I don't know. I don't know if it was
part of graduation. - [Helen] And then that's
why it's hard to leave. We have so many memories here. - [Bob] We called this
a starter home, right? - Yeah.
(laughing) We started and ended.
- We started and ended. - This is down at Cape May. Might have been the last
weekend we saw Bobby. This was his fiancee, Jen. That's right. They
weren't engaged. Jeez. And they were to be engaged
that following week. - [Helen] They were going... He hadn't given her
the ring when he died. - That's, uh, it's
such a great photo. It's probably the
best photo of him. They used to share a room,
but as Bobby got older, he wanted his own little room. Of course we revamped it. There was a bed here. This was June 21st. Bobby just loved to
write. Phenomenal writer. And just to give you an example, when he was in third grade,
I'll just never forget this, I forget the teacher's name, but we were sitting there
after the interview, of course he was doing
great in class and all that, but you know, all third
graders seem to do great. But she said, let me
tell you something, Bob, I'm telling you right
now, save your pennies. Said because this
kid's going to Harvard or an Ivy League school. Little Bobby. Bobby was on the side
right here with Helen. - [Helen] It's just
hard to believe though. I mean, when I
look at those times and think about Bobby
as a little boy, it's so painful to
think he's not here. He's in New York. He's fine. Because that's where I left him. I see him as a little
boy and then he's gone and it's almost like a little
bit of like guilt in there. Like I wasn't able
to keep him alive. Friends said to me, I can't believe you're
still going up to New York and we couldn't get enough of it because that's what he loved. He loved being up there. - [Bob] I mean, a lot of
people won't go to Ground Zero. I just don't know how people
can just walk away from it. - [Helen] You have to understand not everyone can deal with that. I know I can't, I, I just, I want to just think of
Bobby as whole and perfect. - [Bob] I don't know. That's what's bothered
me about people that they can't look at
what happened that day- - [Helen] You can't judge other
people by what you're doing. This is your journey, this is your way of
going through the tunnel to get to the other side. You need to do this. I couldn't go.
- Well that's why... Why can't you do it? - It's not going
to bring him back. It would be wasted time to have me in the
position you're in. Thank god you do it, though. - It seems like I'm
almost ordained to do this for some reason because- - I know you feel that way.
- Because no one does it. - She's stuck in the marriage. She's stuck with Bob and
it's obviously painful and she does what
she needs to to cope and to basically survive. - When it gets more and morbid and you describe certain aspects
of it that I can't handle, I think it's time for me to
just let you talk, you know? So I think I'll do that. Excuse me. Okay. Catch you later.
- All right. - So I will say
about Bob McIlvaine is that one of the things
that impressed me about him is that he has grown over the
years from what I could tell and this trauma has
kind of refined him. - On September 10th,
life was perfect. We had two kids,
Bobby and Geoff. Bobby graduated from Princeton,
working up in New York, living up in New York. We were on a
pedestal on the 10th, then September 11th came. - [Woman] Something hit
the World Trade Center. A huge explosion.
(indistinct chattering) - [Man] We saw an explosion
at the Twin Towers. - Helen calls me,
the Tower's been hit. She still wants
to turn the TV... I had turned the TV
on and then she called and she said I can't
get ahold of Bobby. She immediately called him
and there was no answer, but of course we didn't
think anything was wrong because he worked
at Merrill Lynch, which was right across the
street from the Towers. I was in work and I said,
look, I have to leave. - [Woman 1] It's very bad. - Did the building collapse?
- Yeah. - [Woman 2] Oh my,
the whole building? - [Woman 1] I don't know
if it's the whole building. It's so crazy... - So Merrill Lynch, of
course we were talking to Merrill Lynch immediately and I went up there
to look for him. And there was so many
people down at Ground Zero walking around the area,
just looking for people. Oh, I think we called, you know, we found out where,
where he was. He was at the coroners, okay? But I don't know if we
found our right there. He said they had a wallet. That's how they found out. We had the wallet. In fact... I got the wallet right here. This is a biohazard thing. I don't think you can see. I've had it opened many times, but this is a biohazard. This is the wallet
that they had. In other words, we found
out they had a full body except for, and I'll show
you what happened to him, but the wallet was one them. Now at the time,
everything was fine. Everything's disintegrated,
everything in here is. But I think... They had Bobby's license. And Helen went up to the dentist and they actually got x-rays. Helen brought the x-rays
down and it was a match. So the next morning
we took him home. We're... (sniffles) Believe me, we're one
of the luckiest ones. (sobs) Because so many people
didn't get bodies. Nothing. And we actually got a
full, not a full body, but we got a body to
take home and bury. And we, you know, we're
so grateful for that. - Whose grief is it?
Whose loss is it? In some way, the government has claimed the
loss as their own. Folks were told how to
feel, what to think about it and it adds to their
pain when it's used for other types of policies
that have nothing to do with it. - We went to war and there
goes the authority thing. I didn't believe it was
necessary to go to war because of Bobby. I knew Bobby would have
said, what, are you nuts? And this, I can't give you
an exact time for this. I think it was July 4th, but I've been to so many
demonstrations over the years. And of course around the world, but I think this
was in Philadelphia and it was a candlelight
type of thing, but again, I've just
been to so many of them. I just can't place it. You know, I always wore
a picture of Bobby. I haven't been doing that
as much as I did before. He would have been
100% against the war. And I was. Helen and
I both were 100%. - A conflict is
part of our nature. We have a way of identifying the us versus them or the other and so that leads to
all sorts of problems where the other is not
considered in there as fully human cause it's hard
to get people to fight wars. People don't hate on their own. They have to be given a story. - When I got arrested
down in Washington, DC at the protests, I didn't
want to go to jail, so they arrested us, took
us away in a paddy wagon and paid the fine, but
everyone agreed to that. so not some people
were getting arrested, so forth and so on. So I can't tell you, I
would think that would be the first big protest. 'Cause Helen and I were
doing the Peaceful Tomorrows and with that, we did the
protest with Peaceful Tomorrows. And I actually went to
the commission hearings thinking that we would
actually get something done. I really, I kept
that hope alive, but Condoleezza
Rice on August 6, and she just bullshitted
the whole time. And even the commissioners were getting so
frustrated with it. But see, in those hearings, each person that's asked
a question, you know, they couldn't go one for 15,
20, 25 minutes to grill you. Listen, Condoleezza, you're
not telling us anything. Let's get to the facts here. But no, they get five minutes and she filibustered through it. And I just started,
I said, you know, I won't say right here,
but you know, MF-this, no good sons of bitches and Canadian
broadcasting, you know, they heard me, so they
wanted to hear this, and from there I just
changed direction. That's when I decided, well, I'm not going to do
Peaceful Tomorrows anymore. I'm just going to talk
about what happened on 9/11. (Bob chuckles) Hey my man.
- Hey, Bob. How are you? My name is Tony Szamboti, actually formally
Anthony Szamboti, and I'm a degreed
mechanical engineer. Are you still in the same place? - Oh yeah. - Near Fort Washington? - 47 years now.
- 47... How long?
- Bobby was two-years-old. - Wow. - So he would be 46. - He would be, he was
26 when he passed away. - Yeah, so it's, yeah, 46. - 46-years-old.
- Good memory. - Well, I know he was
26 when it happened. - I didn't think about that. - The interesting thing about
engineering that I can say is problems, the way they
are solved, is it evolves. The solution evolves. You have a subconscious
mind and a conscious mind. Your conscious mind
can only handle so much at any given time. Your subconscious mind is a vast storehouse
or warehouse of all your life experience
and what happens, you hear the old
expression sleep on it. That's the way difficult
problems are actually solved. And if there is a
solution, it'll come, it'll evolve, it'll converge. And that's why
engineering is fun to me because you're
thinking about things, you're trying to
solve this problem and you're musing or
mulling it over and sort of, that's, you know,
even with 9/11, that's the way it
worked with me, looking at these buildings. You know, I imagine
myself in the basement of a large skyscraper
and these huge, concrete encased
columns and you know, like a parking
garage or something. How did that just completely
give up the ghost? - So this didn't
happen until 2000... Six, seven, eight... I really didn't have
the guts enough to go up and find out exactly what
happened to him, okay? So this has been sitting there and of course the
first thing we get is a picture of what happened. All right, now this is
how I started coming out, finding out, you know, what
I feel happened to him. So we didn't know for sure. A lot of people thought, family members thought
that maybe he jumped. His friend said that no, he was running away
from the building and he got hit by
falling debris. - You know, Bob's a decent guy. Who wants to have
their 26-year-old son killed in that kind of
fashion where, you know, his body is partially destroyed? - In this, his right
arm's missing, okay? In this, from his nose down,
his entire face is missing. Okay, so in other words,
everything has blown. His eyes are missing.
Everything is blown out. Back of his head is intact but, you know, there's
some fractures, okay? - And all the wounds to his
body were from the front. No wounds on the back, right?
- Right. - So that would indicate
explosive force. - Can I just read you something? You know, and it's
taken a long time to get to the point
where I am right now, but the story of 9/11. This is coming right from
the 9/11 commission hearing. They spent two
lines talking about what happened to the buildings. "A jet fuel fireball
erupted upon impact and shot down at least
one bank of elevators. The fireball exploded onto
numerous lower levels, including the 77th, the 22nd, the West Street lobby
and the B4 level." - You expect us to believe
this fireball came down and then exploded. Explosions are caused by
rapid release of energy from a confined substance. The fireball is not confined.
- No. Ground floor, the
lobby, flowers, things, they weren't singed or anything. I have documentation that he
was found outside the building. - Outside. This was before
the buildings came down. - Well when they picked him up, he was outside the building. - Right, but the building
hadn't fallen yet. Is that true? I think- - No, no, of course not.
- Right. He was one of the first ones-
- Well... - Taken out, right? - The report on him, he had,
rigor mortis hadn't set in, so that's when you
can really tell when- - I know, when-
- So it's probably less... He got to the coroners less
than two hours after he died, less than two hours.
- Right. - And what happened,
I think what happened, is Bobby was walking and decided to go up to the floors
and I think he was hit as he was trying to walk
in because of the nature. His whole face was
just blown off. He lost his arm and he was
blown out of his shoes. So with that, I, you know,
I stick by that story, but then I've gone too
much further than that. Again, I want to know
who killed him and why. - Somebody said to me
one time where a coverup is only six inches deep. You imagine a big layer of
concrete, but it's a mile wide. So unless you dig down vertical,
you can't get under it. You can't see out
to the edges of it. (ominous music) (Maureen laughs) - [Matt] We're up to, all right, three minutes, you're
doing another 30 seconds. Or should we just ruin his
tea and take it out now? It's true, though. It does
make a hell of a difference. There's no point doing
squeeze, squeeze, 30 seconds. You'll get an absolutely
rubbish cup of tea. - I'd like most of this to be
edited out, please. (laughs) My name's Maureen
Lucille Campbell and I live in
Hassocks, West Sussex, about eight miles from Brighton and I've been retired for
many years since I was 55, 21 years ago. Probably only came in about
three or four that morning. - We were so hung over.
- Hung over. - I can tell 'cause Geoff-
- They look like criminals. - Well we are still drunk.
- Oh, I know. (film reel rolling) - [Maureen] Well, the
three boys I'd say different in a number of ways. We've got Matthew, the eldest. (laughs) - Yep, my hair. It's just, it's where
I'm at right now. Frustrated and pissed
off with current events. but in particularly, you know, my fight for the last 20 years. And so it's just, yeah,
it's where I'm at. A little bit like
this up to the system. Yeah, for the wake that we had. We had a memorial
with no remains. This was I think
30th of September? - Yes, it was. - I mean, that to me is
just a classic photo. My name is Matt Campbell. I live in the south of England
in a small village in Sussex. I have a degree in
mathematical physics and a master's in
applied mathematics and I have a second master's in scientific
application software. - And Robert, the youngest
one I was most like. We like the quiet life
and if someone said two and two made eight,
we'd say, yeah, that's fine. We don't like confrontation
and just let it go. - Yeah, my name is
Robert Benjamin Campbell. I live in Keymer, Hassocks,
which is in West Sussex. - Rob was about five
years younger me. It was sufficient of
a gap that in my head he's always the little brother. - I had a good friend,
Nick, who had his own pub. What we did is for Geoff,
we had his wake there. So all his friends, his
family, everybody came and what they did as a
surprise for the family, was they had a
really good friend who's really good
at doing paintings and they did a
painting of Geoff. My friends, like, you know, like Geoff, a lot, if
you know what I mean. Looked up to him. - [Matt] That's
Geoff's James Bond- - [Maureen] Yes, coming
out the... (laughs) - [Matt] I think he
loved that, didn't he? - Outgoing, very sort of
smiley, lots of charisma, good nature, generous
spirit, always, you know, good at listening. He'd laugh. He's four years older than me, so there's a bit of a gap, but, I always looked up to Geoff
more than Matt. (laughs) Sorry. (laughs) He was a bit of a nerd. (laughs) - Both Matthew and Geoff really had their dad's
brains, really clever. Robert always
said, the youngest, the store brains ran out when
it was his time to be born. - Both finished uni. So Geoff finished I
think a year before me and just she tarted to travel and he definitely
kind of switched from I'm going to work in a bank, because I think he realized the trading route
wasn't going to happen, and just basically
became a specialist. His area was risk. With Reuters, who he eventually
ended up working for, had products that
worked in that space. - This is Caroline. They went up to London
and took photos. Phoebe's christening, isn't it? Yeah. So that's the little church where we actually
had the memorial. Quite a glamorous shot of them, and they went up to London,
look right he is there. - I think it was early 2000. Worked for a client in
Manhattan for six weeks, eight weeks,
something like that. I can't remember. So staying really close
to where Geoff lived and he'd just met Caroline
I think the previous year. And I think he was looking at
getting an apartment with her. I mean, it was that
serious that quick, which, you know, I said he'd
had relationships before, it was quite fast. And so very quickly, you know, it was obvious that
this was very serious. I guess he'd been
working for Reuters for at least a
year, maybe longer. And, you know, he was looking
to, I guess, you know, put his roots down. I mean, it was very
clear he loved, absolutely loved New York. - Well you know I'm fanatical about keeping all
these documents, so I just had a quick
look through to see what we could dig up. I met Matt originally
back in '97, '98. We were both working
on the same project. Matt was working for
one of the suppliers. Matt's brother, Geoff,
was working for Reuters. We had an idea
that we would need a North American New
York based office and Geoff was interested
in leaving Reuters and helping us set that up. - In the weeks and
the months prior, we'd obviously been
talking with him, and Henry in particular, just sorting out the structure
of the proposed company over in the states. - But he'd actually come to
England at the end of August, the August bank holiday time. - Did his usual thing,
rushing around the country, seeing family, friends. - Well, we worked in a
very small, niche industry of specialists and there
is a whole ecosystem of industry press and
industry conferences. And there was one coming
up on September the 11th that was going to be at
the World Trade Center. So it ended up being
that Nick and Geoff would go to the conference and
I ended up staying in London. Meanwhile, Matt was on
holiday in Lanzarote. - I'm on the beach obviously with my mum
and my wife and two kids. They were probably six
months, 18 months at the time so you're doing stuff like
you do, playing in the sand building sand castles and
just enjoying that time. - Around lunchtime or just after I'd been exchanging emails
with Geoff about, you know, who he needs to meet at the
conference and stuff like that. And I recall getting
an email from him where he literally said,
okay, Henry, I've got to go. I'm going to be late
for the conference. That may have been the
last email he ever sent. - So I was at work and just on the computer,
on the internet, and then we started hearing
about what was going on at the World Trade Center. - Phoebe, who was
only six months old, was just struggling to settle. All my kids have loved
just being pushed around in pushchairs and buggies. Gets them to sleep
most of the time, so you do what any parent did and Mel took her
off the beach time and was just basically
walking up and down. You know, please sleep. - My understanding is that
she saw the televisions there which suddenly would
show the Towers and what was going on. One had been hit. (indistinct ratter chatter) I think she may have come
back and called Matthew, Matthew went up and
I was on the beach, and then eventually
Matthew said basically what has happened. - Immediately I
wasn't that concerned. I mean, I knew Geoff worked
for Reuters up in Time Square. You're well away
from the World Trade. - Not long after it
was basically I think someone in the office told me, I think it was Henry who
told me that basically Geoff might have
attended the meeting. - I remember calling Henry
from this public payphone. - There I am seeing
what's happening on TV. I'd seen this email from Geoff saying, Henry, I got to go. I'm going to be late
for the conference, which was at the right
time for him to have got the subway downtown
from his apartment and get to the conference. I didn't know what
to say to Matt. I just... I just mumbled something. I'm not sure what I said,
but I didn't tell him that, hey, I know your
brother's in the building. I couldn't. I mean,
what would you say? - Got through to
Rob and he just, I remember him
almost blurting out Geoff's in the Tower, and I remember just
dropping the phone. He'd spoken to
Caroline and you know, it became very clear that
Geoff had headed down to the conference and was at
the top of the North Tower, which obviously by this
time had collapsed. - [Man] Two came down and
one just came down now, on firefighters and cops. Really bad, you're gonna
have thousands dead. - I remember mom just agasp. I mean, she just,
she knew, I mean, she's always said that she felt. - He died. I just... I just had that feeling
that he was no more. - So that was the day
where the American guy was dissolved into
tears in our office. And my diary entry simply
says at the end of the day, WTC tragedy, as
straight laced as that. Later in the day, it
started becoming clear. A few people who were due to
be going to the conference were okay and found
and known to be okay, but an awful lot of people were not simply not being heard from. And Nick responds saying, "Nothing we can do I'm afraid. People here can't even find out if husbands and
wives were okay." - I had no idea, I mean,
obviously it's going. But I had no idea. - You haven't those ones at all. You saw the Geoff email, right? - Yeah, yeah, I
was copied on that, but I didn't see until, you
know, a couple of days later. And I remember I
used to mock you for keeping your diary, Henry. Your sort hourly blow by blow
account of working. (chuckles) (Matt inhales)
(clears throat) - I don't remember
exactly how long, but Matt continued to work
for the company for a while, but the pressure and the stress and a number of other
factors meant that he just took a leave of absence that got formalized
sometime later as, okay, Matt's left and he's not
coming back to the company. I kept in touch with Matt
and we would talk about stuff and share views about things. And I think he started
looking into what had happened with a bit more interest, weeding through all of
the mad, crazy theories put around on the internet. - You know, you get taught
in the movies and stuff that it's been a crime, it's
going to be investigated, you're going to go to court and you're going to
get truth and justice, potentially someone
held accountable for it. We've never had that with 9/11. There has been no examination of the events of
that day in court. We have the 9/11
commission report as the investigation, but nothing to that legal
standard that we all know. Whether you trust it or not,
it's what normally happens. - Matt is a very
interesting man. It's going to haunt him
if he hasn't moved on, I can't see that he's
ever going to let this go. - [Matt] Hey. - [Ian] Matt, how are
you? How you feeling? - Ian, how are you doing, mate? You good?
- Yeah, not too bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what's new since we
saw each other last? - Apart from my hair?
- Your hair, yeah. I wasn't going to say
anything about that, Matt. - Well you haven't got any, so. (laughing) I see you're wearing a- - 9/11... Well it's the 20th anniversary
coming up, isn't it, so. I did maths at university. University was slightly unusual. I did maths and then I did
applied social studies masters. You know, it was sort
of ideal, really, to make somebody
suspicious about 9/11, because the maths told me that there was
something terribly wrong with the energy equation, what we'd call the energy
equation of the Towers. I also have my social
science background, so I knew how easy it is to
brainwash people basically. So people wrote in after
our ad in The Guardian saying, oh, you know, we
don't agree with this. And I wrote a letter
back and normally you wouldn't expect,
they'd just bin it. They think well we've got
his money, we'll bin it. But actually they ran it. Journalism, you know, if
you're antiestablishment or suspicious of
the establishment, journalism, it's very,
very hard to make a living. And I figured out that
freshly roasted coffee should work well. We started off with just a
homemade coffee roasting machine on the street corner and then, you know,
it's got bigger and I'm now I'm approaching
retirement, actually. So if you know anybody out there who wants to buy a coffee shop
in Notting Hill, you know. - Who is this? This is... The full size?
- That was the full page. It would have been
bigger than that. - I was going to say, yeah, because was a tabloid then or
was is still a broad sheet? - In those days it was
still a broadsheet. - Broadsheet, yeah.
- Yeah. - But when we met-
- Yeah, when we first. I remember it clearly, Matt. - No, I've got a hazy memory, 'cause I thought it
was that very first Reinvestigate 9/11
meeting in about May 2013 or April 2013. - I mean, one of the
most important things that happened to the
9/11 Truth Movement was that Matt
Campbell turned up. - Go back a bit in 2004,
because we as a family had brought back
repatriated remains, through English law, you
have to have an inquest. And I just started to think,
a little light bulb moment, if I repatriated
Geoff's remains, would that force a new inquest? - That's exactly
what politicians have
been saying to us. Can you find a victim? And then you showed up,
you know and I thought... This is fantastic, you
know? We finally cracked it. - Ian had some contacts. We ended up arranging a
meeting with Michael Meacham. He was a labor MP, not my MP, but he'd been a
longterm skeptic, very cynical about what the
US government had been up to and other issues
with the narrative. - And when we had a
private meeting with him, he basically said, this
just destroys my reputation when I do this. - Very supportive. I mean he basically said
whatever I need to do to help you get your
brother's inquest reopened, you know, get in contact. And he basically, you
know, said use the remains. It's a big part. So we had a death
certificate issued towards the end of October. And then around December,
I remember both the press, but also the police
liaison officers, telling us that we were
very, very unlikely to get any remains of Geoff because bodies had
been vaporized. Which is, you
know, in hindsight, it's a really
strange term to use. It was actually from the
chief medical examiner. - There's literally no trace. A significant number of people. It's utterly,
utterly horrifying. - Obviously plenty
bodies had been found, but I think due to the
degree of fragmentation and all the rest of it, and obviously what
they knew they had. I think it was a day before
mom's birthday in June and I think she got a
call from, you know, our police liaison officer. Some of his remains
had been identified. And the, the piece
in question was a piece of Geoff's collarbone. - And I thought Geoff
is having a laugh on us. When he was six months,
we went on motor rail, long story, but it jerked and he was thrown on the
ground at six months old. He had a green fracture. All right, don't forget
my broken collarbone when I was six months old. - But you know, it went from
an undertaker in the States, it then got delivered to
an undertaker in the UK and then it was released to us. It was in a little casket. I didn't want to do with it
and so for quite a few years, it just sat outside my office on the top floor of my house. In 2004, mom got another
call from the police, and this time three of his
remains had been identified. They were small bone fragments. I remember one was from his
thigh bone, but they were small. And so we now we had four. - Another lot came over and
that actually was his scalp. - A bit of his scalp,
a bit of his face, a bit of his jaw, his ear,
just, you know, recognizable. - It wasn't burnt because
my fear was that, you know, to be in the flames... We were told by
the police liaison that there was good
chance that he could just be vaporized or
whatever the term is when there's just ash. - [Woman] It's in the
World Trade Center, sir, on the 106th floor. There is no injuries, but
the people are trapped. They don't have air.
- We got it. - So the very first
inquest was here at the West London
Coroner's Court. And anyway, out of the
67 British victims, 10 had actually been identified. They basically created
10 different inquests, but it's like a joint inquest
or inquiry that they held. Only two of the 10 victims were represented
by family members. At the time, I didn't know
that all of attending inquests were done in an hour and 45. I've listened to the audio, I've got the actual transcripts,
the official transcript. And they spent probably
no more than about three or four minutes talking
about my brother's life and what was found. And it seemed incredibly
short that, you know, that's his moment of
an inquiry and justice into the events
surrounding his death. After the inquest, a
couple of weeks later, I think mom just got a formal
letter, which is, you know, it's basically the conclusion
that the coroner drew. The impact into the North
Tower of American Airlines 11 caused the subsequent
collapse of the building and that's how my brother died. - The inquests
were held at a time when all the families
would still have been in the stunned disbelief
inability to accept all the different psychological
states that you're in, so it's like, yeah,
get this done, sweep it under the carpet,
close that chapter and move on. - Eight years ago, my
brother had an inquest here and you know, I didn't attend. And it's kind of weird standing
outside the building now that possibly, hopefully,
within two years, I'm actually going to
be inside that building attending his reopened request. So if all things are
considered, it's not political, it's not anything else. It's just purely
looking at the evidence and the new evidence
and the lack of inquiry into that evidence. - So much new information
has come to light since the inquest,
not withstanding
Geoff's own remains, which weren't available, and witness testimony about
what happened on 9/11 . - Yes, I would like
that to be submitted and the attorney general
to make a decision on that and I think really with all
the information that we have, I think it should go through. - We've got way over what's
required to basically get the authority granted
by the attorney general. - I'm sure Matt might have
more faith in British justice, but I'm afraid I'm
pretty cynical. - But if you don't
try, you don't succeed. - So I'd say an
awful lot is down to the luck of the
draw as to whether Matt goes before an individual
who cares about the facts. You know, there's
absolutely no reason in law why Matt shouldn't win. - My name is Drew DePalma and I'm the director
of operations for an engineering
firm in New Jersey. My mom Jean Caviasco-DePalma,
was killed in 9/11 and she was in the World
Trade Center Tower One. "I write this letter to
support the application of the Campbell family
and briefly to explain why I believe that
further investigation into the cause of the collapse
of World Trade Center One is not only worthwhile
but necessary because the ruling that the
towers collapsed due to fire makes them the first and
only skyscrapers in the world to do so by that cause. The first and only of anything
deserves extreme scrutiny, especially given
the cloud of doubt surrounding all the events
that transpired before, during, and after
that 9/11 day." (gentle, emotional music) We're at the 9/11 Memorial. This is the town I live in. I didn't live here
when my mom passed, but it's a nice remembrance and I'm glad my town has this for all the people that
were affected in this town. I've been part of the
town's parks committee for about a year now, and we
actually just ran a fundraiser to help raise some
funds to upgrade the playground equipment. There's a balance beam there now that kind of stretches
the playground. You know, you see benches
all around the park, pretty much everywhere. That's what most people donate. But I think we have
enough benches. I want something, you
know, kids can enjoy, - So Drew doesn't really
talk about his mother as much as I'd hope. We met in '04 and he told me
a little bit about everything, but we only really talk
about it on the anniversary. But this is something that
he has been involved in in the last two or three years and I feel like this is closure and almost a catharsis for him. - I started going
down the rabbit hole, doing a bunch of research. I was fine, I got a little angry
for a little bit at a time, but now I'm pretty much
at peace with everything. - Drew has, as you
know, lost his mother before he was fully grown. He's an example of
someone who's been able to weather the loss at
a very inconvenient time that was too soon
and somehow managed to make himself an adult
and a father and a husband. - This picture was
taken in Miami, Florida. It was Jean's 40th
birthday weekend. It was a lot of fun. It was something that
we always planned to do when Jean turned 40
and we actually did it. So my husband
calligraphed this for me. It is actually something
that Jean sent, an email. She didn't write it, but it
was an email that she sent, she found, called From Me
to You to several people minutes before the
towers were struck. She was trying to
get her life together and this was maybe
something that she was reading periodically
to help her, you know, reevaluate her life and... - Divorce was a pretty
rough time for my mom. It hit her really hard. Just emotionally and physically. But I felt at that
point, at 9/11, she was actually in
good physical health. She started working out more. I guess we have
big life changes, you go one way or the other. She was exercising
more. She loved biking. So she was by bicycle riding. She was losing weight. She was definitely
happier, for sure. So that's kind of a bright
side that, you know. I always hope when
I go, you know, it's at a peak of happiness,
as opposed to the latter. We got chickens
in this past year. They provide us with
breakfast every morning. The kids love handling them. Some chickens are more
social than others. Probably... Oh, no. So I couldn't be happier here. They definitely have different
personalities, though. Chickens aren't as dumb
as you would think. They actually understand, up to like 20 words
or something, I read. I don't know if that's
true or not, but... I like animals. - So Jean's name is right here. - She worked in the city. She was usually out of the
house before I even woke up because I drove myself
to school at that point. And then she didn't get
home usually until late and when she came home,
I was out with my friends and then we saw each
other for dinner and then I'd be
out until whenever. She was probably asleep
by the time I got home. Being a kid, you want
to be out doing stuff, and like I said, she was
commuting to the city every day. - You know, I had not
seen this memorial before and I was surprised
how immense it is and exactly from what
I read points right to where the Towers stood. - [Man 1] We got a plane crashed into the World Trade Center. Are you aware of that? - [Man 2] The World Trade
Center in Manhattan? - [Man 1] World Trade
Center in Manhattan. - Just another normal work day. Drop Marissa off at my
parents' house and got to work. I don't remember the exact time, but my principal came
knocking on my door and took me into the hallway
and said that my mother had called and... (sighs) Wanted me to go to her house. - So I was walking
through the halls and there's just a lot
of commotion going on. I had no idea what was happening and then they called,
I guess like a meeting for the whole
school into the gym, and they kind of
explained what happened. - The principal explained
that planes flew into the buildings
that she had worked in. (indistinct radio chatter) - My mom works there. So it's just like
everyone else that day. If anyone knew anyone that
worked there or around there, they were on the phone. - And so I kind of went
into numb mode, I call it. You know, I just like,
didn't have any feelings. And she asked if someone
should drive me home and I said, no, no, I'll go. And I drove home
just totally focused. And when I got there, you know, you just keep seeing
those same pictures. That's all that we had at
the time was those pictures of the planes flying
into those buildings. - And we just, we went home and I wasn't a smoker back then, but that day I sure as heck
had a cigarette. (laughs) - I called their high school
and they had already left. (water sploshing) I have not been up there. I've only been to
the memorial inside and I've been to the waterfalls, but I have not been
up into the tower. You know, 'cause after 20 years, you come to a place in your
mind where you're, you know, not necessarily at peace, but
you've kind, of me personally, I've kind of put it in itS
little pocket, you know? And then every once in a
while something happens or, you know, someone
says something and it kind of brings
you back to a little bit of that place where you
don't always want to be. The next day, though, my
two brothers and my sister went into the city. I stayed home with my
parents and Marissa and they took pictures
of Jean, and, you know, people were just
trying to find people that could find their loved. - Nothing was ever
found of my mother, so, had nothing to go on as far as physical evidence
for her, personally. And I was probably the
most optimistic person in my family. I was like, you know,
she's gonna come out of it. We'll find her eventually. Even weeks after that and even years after I was
like, you know, who knows, maybe she was in a coma or
she wandered off somewhere. I think with a
weekend, my uncle, who is her brother,
pretty much, you know, he analyzed where she
worked, where her office was. - She was on the
hundredth floor, and there was no way
that she could have... - He just didn't want
me hold up false hope. You know, pretty much
gave it to me straight. It's like, you know,
the chances of her making it out were pretty slim, so that was pretty
disappointing to say the least. He could have let me hold
on to some hope. (laughs) But no, I always like people
to give it to me straight. I like to do that
for other people, so I expect the same in return. - I mean, I have to say when
I'm with my niece and nephew, Drew and Jamie, Jean's kids,
it's a comfort, you know? She's there. I mean, she's everywhere, but
she's there, with those kids. I went to the 10 year memorial
when it was 10 years ago. Didn't really do anything for
me as far as helping me... Grieve because I've already,
you know, done that. So I don't need to go
to any physical space to look at that horror
again and again and again. You know, I kind of just
deal in my own way by myself or with my family or
whatever it happens to be. But yeah, I'm not interested
in doing those things. The 10th anniversary was enough. It's just amazing
to me that that, and I know that's the whole
crux of this whole thing. Like, how does that
just, you know... How do those buildings
perfectly fall? You know... - So yeah, it just
strikes me as odd that three buildings
within a couple hours of each other all fell down. So it seems like something
else was going on. - And Drew is a man on
a mission right now. He wants all the answers. - And there was a lot of
stuff that didn't get analyzed correctly, in my opinion. I mean, if they
had done their job, I probably wouldn't be here now. You know shooting
this documentary and trying to help get
a new investigation. - I think we owe, as a country, we owe it to the poor
people that have passed away and their families and the world to find out what
really happened here because it's not just, you know, planes hit, book
closed kind of thing. - From the time I
was a little kid, I was building things and I was always trying
to build something My mother used to say,
if it can be taken apart, Bill will take it apart
'cause that's what he does. He wants to know how
things work. (laughs) And I pulled a lot
of things apart. My name is Bill Brinnier
and I am a architect. I've been an
architect since 1984, but I've done
architecture all my life. You know, I grew up
right around here and here, in this house
and I must've built 20 forts in the woods. And the last one I built,
I think I was 15 years old. It was framed properly. It was completely
wired for electricity. I used (laughs) I used barbed
wire to run electricity from the house up
to to my tree house, which was 100 yards
up in the woods. I applied to Pratt and I got in. That January, I moved down to
New York and went to Pratt. And it was interesting
because when I got there, the World Trade Center
was under construction. And from my dorm
out in Brooklyn, you could see the
Two Towers coming up. The World Trade
Center buildings, each building was compared, somebody from the New
York Times I think said the World Trade Center
looks like the box that the Empire State
Building came in (laughs), but it was fascinating and
they were always lit up, even at night and
there was cranes on top and there was such activity. So it was fun. You know, we got to
watch that go up. Little did we know what was
waiting for us in the future. - What's striking
about Bill is that even though he lost
his best friend and went through
some tough times, he was fortunate enough to
be able to pull out of it. Not everybody does. - You know, I met Frank. I met Frank de Martini at Pratt. He was one of the
first guys I met. For some reason, I
just fell in with him and the two of us really,
really hit it off. We were popular
in the community. Lots of people knew us and
work just came out of the sky. You know, we had lived
through the bombing of 1993, which was actually Frank's
entry into the whole realm of the World Trade Center. Frank kind of walked me
through what that damage was and how robust the structure
of the building was. There were redundancies
beyond belief. He was a big fan of
the History Channel and he said why hasn't
there been a history of the World Trade Center
on the History Channel? That's gotta be something. So he, I can't remember
the woman's name, but he contacted this
woman and they worked and worked and worked and
they finally produced it. - [Frank] The building
probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners
because this structure is like the mosquito
netting on your screen door. And the jet plane
is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. - Wow. Good to hear his voice. When he made that statement, he was working for
Leslie E. Robertson, one of the designers, one
of the structural engineers who designed that structure. He had, believe me,
Frank was as bad as me when came to understanding
how things work. So, you know, I know he
had many conversations with Leslie about how the
building went together. You know, how it was designed to withstand all manner of
loads, of dynamic loads. That's what they call a
plane hitting the building, or a wind hitting the building. (children shouting) - [Tara] My kids were
asking me about 9/11 and it's really hard to talk
about it and explain it. And I was curious to
what they'd pick up on, you know, and is
it a scary thing? - I can't believe
it's almost 20 years. - I can't either.
- It seems like yesterday. I was not in a good
place in my life. I had spent some time with Frank and that was the good part. I had lost my job
and my marriage was
not in a good place. You know, I just things were... I was down and out. There was some
excitement in my life, and I was nervous
because Frank and I were about to go into
business together. And it was funny because
Frank, for the longest time, had tried to get me to help him get out of the World
Trade Center. (laughs) You know, my day to day
life was, was going down to this high rise in in
Long Branch, New Jersey and working on an apartment. And, you know, Frank
was going to work at the Trade Center. You know, I was an early riser
and I got up at six o'clock. It was about a hour and a
half, hour and 45 minute drive, and as I came around the corner, off of route 80 and onto I-95, that's where the World
Trade Center comes into view and the North Tower
looked like a chimney. So I dialed up Frank
and it went to voicemail and I dialed him again
and it went to voicemail. It just kept, I
couldn't get him. - We were supposed to
have dinner with Frank. - I remember.
- The three of us. - Yeah. - We ere supposed
to have dinner. - Our father-daughter
dinner was going to be our father-daughter-uncle
dinner. (laughs) I panicked. I just continued south
and went to Long Branch, went to the job. When they told me that the
South tower had collapsed, I was shocked. I was like, that's impossible. - [Man 1] Yeah. - [Man 2] Get ready
for the big one. - [Man 1] The tower
just collapsed. - [Woman] The whole
thing collapsed? - [Man 3] Yeah, it's collapsed. - [Woman] What do you mean the
whole thing just collapsed? - [Man 3] It collapsed,
I'm watching it live. - I didn't know what to
think of it. I really didn't. You know, we all went in,
everybody went into shock. It was just the most bizarre... I mean, it was, it was like
an out-of-body experience. I was just consumed with
worry about Frank, you know? And I didn't even
think about Nicole. (phone dialing) - [Nicole] Hello, you've
reach Nicole de Martini. Please leave a message. - Hi, Nicole. It's Bill. Hey, listen, I'm up
in Fort Greene Park trying to find Frank's
bench and his trees, and there's a bench nearby,
but it's dedicated to people who passed away from COVID-19. Thanks, Nicole. And he used to live right
up the street at 11-A, South Elliot Place. But we planted trees
just like these. They were just like
these, you know, because there was nothing left of the people that
perished, you know? I think Bobby McIlvaine,
at least they got his body. You know, he was
one of the very few. Most people just disappeared. From the Prison Ship
Martyr's Monument, when you stand at the
base of the monument, you can look out-
(phone ringing) There she is. Hi, Nicole. - [Nicole] Hi,
Bill. How are you? - I'm good. How are you? - [Nicole] We didn't
put in a bench. They didn't allow us.
They were very strict. They were like, you
can't put in a bench. - Do you remember
exactly when that was that we did that planting
for Frank's memorial? - [Nicole] Maybe 2003. - That's what I'm thinking,
the spring of '03. - [Nicole] Big pine trees that are right next to
the tennis court. - [Bill] Across the walk? - [Nicole] Yeah. - [Bill] Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I see them now.
- Yeah. - [Bill] And they've planted
some new, smaller ones now that have fences around them.
- Yes, exactly, yes. Yes, so there are a few more
that were planted later. Right after that, but they
really take good care of them. - Yeah. This is for Frank, too. Wow. - [Nicole] Yeah, the crab
apples were for Frank, too, but- - [Bill] It's got
some fruit on it. - [Nicole] Say hi to Shelly. - I will. Well, we're here,
and this is it. This crab apple is hers... Or his. That pine is his. And that spruce was one of them. I mean, it's not
everybody that can say they got trees planted
in one in New York City's most famous parks
in their honor. The guy that Nina was
trying to convince at the parks department
was very strict. He said Frederick Law Olmsted
never designed the park to have benches all
over the place (laughs) and that doesn't
make sense to me. But anyway, it was the
excuse that was given. It's almost like the excuses
that were given to, um, to us as to what
happened to those Towers. Just excuses. I didn't really start to
think about the mechanics. You know, here I am,
the guy that likes to know how things work. I didn't really start to think
about that for five years. Straight ahead. I'll never set foot
in that Freedom Tower. That's not my cup of tea. I call it the blood
building. (chuckles) A lot of people died
to put that there. Unnecessarily. But I took my books, I took
my toys, I took my tools, I took my grandfather clock
and I took my car and I left. You know, I came up here. I put everything in storage and I moved into this
little cottage here and didn't know what to do. I didn't know what to do. And this is where,
in this cottage, is where I found architects
and engineers for 9/11 Truth. And I look at it as this
is what I do for Frank. This is what, not just for me. I mean, it's a lot for
me and Frank is gone and nothing's going
to bring him back. He's history. You know, when those explosives
tore that building apart, it tore the people apart, too. So the saving grace is that
Frank didn't feel a thing. You know, he just disappeared. - Because so many people
didn't get bodies, nothing. And we actually got a
full, not a full body, but we got a body to
take home and bury. And we, you know, we're
so grateful for that. Hundreds of parts they
would get from the body. And they just said I
don't want it anymore. We can't take this anymore. They would get, you know,
every week they get a call, we found, you know, an elbow,
we found a thumb or something. And we have a
relatively sound body that we got to take
home, and that, you know went home and
buried him in a week. So it was Tuesday, a week
after 9/11 we buried him, or it might have been
sometime that week. Our dogs are buried out there so I go to Bobby, put
the flowers out there and that's, I've been doing
that for 20 years now. Oh good, they just
cut the place. - [Helen] They what? They, yeah. I can tell, really. - Can you just move that? - Hey, Bobby. - [Bob] Look at that. They cleaned it up for
us around the edges. - [Helen] Yeah. Usually
they leave the grass there. He'd love the yellow
and purple flowers. - [Bob] Yeah. All right, I'm going to go up and clean the bench, all right? - I'm just going to sit. - Not while I'm cleaning
it. That's silly. - Yes, I'm going to sit
and just think about Bobby. Clean away. - Just get this stuff out. - [Helen] Where are
those stones from? - [Bob] Well mostly from
Ground Zero and Japan, but I've added stones. - [Helen] I know this
didn't come from Japan. We would've never
been able to carry it. - We did two stone walks. I think we did, no,
maybe three stone walks. One in Korea,
Nagasaki to Hiroshima. We pushed a 2000 pound stone and on the way, where it's
talking about anti-war, that 9/11 were not, we think
war is the wrong decision. The monks, the Buddhist
monks, pushed with us. And we're talking
days at a time. I mean, talking
about how friendly you can get after days. I mean, if I was a
religious person, I would become a monk tomorrow. All right. - [Helen] Now, can
we sit for a minute? - Yeah, you can sit.
- You're gonna stand? - No. Okay, we did it, Bobaloo.
- It looks beautiful. Look at the flowers. It's like yesterday or
a thousand miles back, a thousand years back.
- Seems like a thousand years. - Yeah. Sometimes it feels like
yesterday afternoon. - What is not considered often is the other victims of 9/11, like the 30,000 soldiers
that were involved in the war since 9/11 who
have killed themselves, the 7,000 that have died, and all the people that are
handicapped and disabled, as well as all the
first responders that are getting sick and dying. - [Jon] That's America's world. - [Bob] Well that's the answer. - Well America
has got to change. America has got to grow up. The people of America
have got to grow up. They've got to get out of this
they would never mentality. You know, if they would
never, then, you know, they would never lie about
the environmental impact of 9/11 causing
upwards of 70,000 9/11 first responders to
become sick and dying. This government is more
than capable of anything. Anything. - That's why I've
gone in the history. History is so important to me because we've been doing
this bullshit forever. - And you know, we're saying
that we're leaving Afghanistan, but how many mercenaries, how many thousands are
we still leaving there? You know, it's disgusting. - And we've been
dealing with these, we've dealt with Bin
Laden fro 20 years and then suddenly he becomes, in '98 becomes the
boogeyman, the bad guy. The people that were in
Iran-Contra, Lee Hamilton, in '92, '93 had hearings on it
and he dismissed everything. It got it off the books. And guess what? Who's leading the 9/11
Commission? Lee Hamilton. So if you put all
these together, you
know, it's bad news. It really is bad news and it's a horrible,
horrible cover up. - That was presented
to the world as the definitive
account of 9/11 . First of all, they only
answered 30% of the family's well-researched questions. - There's so many things-
- Of course. - By choice, by design,
and that keeps us discussing back and
forth, back and forth. - Exactly. Which is why I can't
say definitively that I know what
happened on 9/11. I couldn't tell you
one way or the other what happened to
those buildings. That is where the majority of the people were
murdered that day. There are family members
that still question how those buildings came down and as long as it's an
important question to them, it will always be an
important question to me. - And I spent so much time
talking about how he died and the thing is I'm sick
of getting emotional. Okay, I really am. And I, you know, I
really want to talk about who helped kill Bobby. We have enough for Jack? - Yeah. I guess I could grab a
Gerber Daisy out of there. Okay, let's go. - All right?
- Yeah - All right. All right, Bobaloo. Love you. See you next week. We went to a
psychologist immediately. He said, but look
at it this way, just put a silver
dollar or a half dollar in front of your eye like this. Okay? And he says, you know,
that's right there. It's in your face and it's
going to stay in your face. But eventually it just
starts moving away. And as that moves away,
then you can see over here, you can see over here,
but it's still there, but eventually it
moves further out. Then you can see this
way, you can see this way, but it's still there. And eventually it keeps moving
out, and it's the truth. You know, we can laugh
now, we have fun things, but it's always there. - [Man] Gotta respond
to West Street because we've got
some very burned bad, badly burned victims in
building one, the lobby. - [Woman] At West Street? - Yeah, West Street side.
- Okay. - [Man] All right, thank you. - Hopefully we just
sort of drop out because I don't want to
sit and argue with people. I just think it
speaks for itself. You know, obviously we
know he's dead, right? So, you know, I have this. So a doctor confirming and
not confirming it, you know, it doesn't mean anything to me. You know, a medical
professional, say you're a medical
professional. I come up to you and
say, this is 9/11. He's probably scared to death
to say one thing or another. (ominous music) - Cyril H. Wecht. I am a forensic pathologist
and a medical legal consultant. I was the coroner of
Allegheny County, Pittsburgh and 129 surrounding
municipalities for 20 years, two separate 10 year periods. Since 1957, I would
estimate I have performed about 21,000 autopsies. I have reviewed, signed
off or supervised on about 41,000 other autopsies. When I was asked to review
the Warren Commission report, it was in August of that
year that I pointed out that the president's
brain was missing. Others knew about it, but
no one had said a word. And so, anyway, so these
are the things that I do, all of these consultations
and these autopsies and then occasionally, you know, the major national
controversial case. (mumbling) Abrasions. Oh, much of the face is
marked here as missing. They blocked everything,
expect the lower face, is blocked off. Unfortunately they
don't describe the remaining
portion of the skull to permit me to determine
whether it looked like that which is
missing had blown off as opposed to
having been crushed. Most of head. Yeah, I'm right. Absent, most of head. So what is it that the
father wants to know? Okay. And the body
was found when? - [Man] He was
found shortly after the North Tower was struck. - [Woman] And he was in
front of, near the lobby. Like entering the lobby. - Well then it had to
be from some kind of an explosive effect. - Normally the way it works is if you have a family
member that's murdered, you call the police and the
police do an investigation and you trust the
authorities to be thorough, to care and to want
to get to the truth. And you don't have
to go petition. It's not the proper role a
citizen should have to take is to force the government
to do an investigation, but apparently that
is what's required. - [Bob] All right. It's another day. - Here, come. We're at Point Mountain Reserve. Every 9/11, I go for a
hike to remember my mom. It's better for me, you know, instead of going to
a church or memorial. You know, I just
like to be by myself, you know, with the
ones that I love and that's how I
deal with things. I've been to the site
a number of times but I've never
been to the museum. My sister invited me. I really have no want
or need to go there. I find it probably
mostly depressing. She confirmed my suspicions. She said it was
great to do once, but probably would
never do it again. 20 years is really
just a number. I know for most people who don't deal with it every day, you
know, 20 years is a big deal. But same thing year
in, year out for me. Having kids and not having my mom here has
been pretty tough. I just really wish my kids
had a chance to meet her. And there's not many people
I feel that are willing to do what I'm doing right
now just to kind of keep the victim's memories
alive as well as, you know, hopefully get down to
the bottom of the things. I think we need more sense
of community in this country and I think 9/11 did
that for a little bit and then tapered off. So as long as people start
to think for themselves and just, you know, hold
the ones dear to them close and just have fun and don't
take themselves so seriously, I think the world would
be a better place. - We need to get some
flowers in London. - I've got them, yeah.
- Have you got them with you? - Everything ready, yes.
- In that little bag? - [Maureen] Yes. (Maureen and Matt chattering) - [Matt] You know, we
take his random thought. - [Maureen] Yes. - [Matt] We call it 9/11. - Yeah.
- But you know, that's weird. - I know, and in fact- - [Matt] But would
you ever call it 11/9? It just... - [Maureen] No, no. - Does it have a
significance 20 years? I mean, it's just
one of those things, it's like, so different
to any anniversary. It's kind of, you know.
- Yes, of course. - And for anything, it could
be a wedding anniversary. It could be, you know, it's
a strange thing to give. Why does the 19th
anniversary have any less importance than
than the 20th to nothing? Uh, where's the queue? Oh, there is no queue. But it's not a
grave or anything. - [Maureen] No, but I
wanted to say that after coming for 15 years I
stopped coming because... - Why did you stop coming? - Because. When I stopped going after,
I suppose about 15 years because I felt it difficult
because so many people have not had their
loved ones identified and we've had a number
of things come over. - I remember the
flurry of emails and letters that
were going around when this was being
proposed and designed. - Every year, September 11th, for the first 15
years, I used to come. You had to arrange in advance whether you wanted to
read out a family member, but you sometimes have to
read a couple of other people depending on how many came. And that's really lovely. - [Matt] Can you read that, mom? - "Time is too slow
for those who wait." I'd like to lay our roses
here if we could, yes? Okay.
- Put one down from Robin, and then I'll do
dad's and ours, yeah? Yeah.
- I can't quite reach it. Can you, Matthew?
- Oh, here. - "Always I'll be in your heart. Don't forget my soul is near you and so we'll never be apart." And this is from your
friends at Risk Waters, which is rather poignant. That's very worse
on that fateful day. Keep that on my sideboard
next to Geoff's picture. Where is it there's supposed
to be a remnant of... Is it the metal? It's
the metal, isn't it? - Yeah, no. So the Memorial stone
is carved by hand and includes an extract
from the American poet, Henry Van Dyke, underneath
it preserved in resin lies a section of the
steel girder salvaged from the World Trade Center.
- Salvaged, yes I knew it was. I thought it would be
in that top part there. - Pick it up and test it
for explosive residues. All right, mom,
should we head out? - I think so. - Yeah?
- I'll go get my bag. - [Matt] Oh, it's
in the walk about. - With me, I mean,
obviously I grieve my Geoff, but I felt well,
Geoff wouldn't want to see me in the corner
crying all the time. Yes, I just thought, well, I want Geoff to see that
I am going on with life and I am continued to be the
happy person I always was, a nan, you know, so that's
what helped me through. I know Matthew and
Robert had a lot, a lot, a lot of struggles, but
that's the way it is. We're several individuals and we deal with
things differently. - When it takes decades to
get some semblance of justice, it's always through
the never-ending fights that it just seems so
wrong that family members have to pursue in order to
get some sort of justice. One of the things that I've
always personally found to be quite striking
is the degree of fragmentation of the remains. - The title of this report is "Human identification following the World Trade Center disaster: assessing management practices for highly fragmented and
commingled human remains." - So out of the
2,600 odd who died at the World Trade Center, you know, there's
22,000 fragments. - Medical examiner personnel
were initially caught off guard by the degree of destruction
and fragmentation of the recovered human remains. - 5,00 of those 22,000 fragments are smaller than an inch. It's 1100 and something people
have not been identified. That's a huge, you can't
even fathom Geoff's remains, no more than two,
three-percent of his body, it's actually the last remain
identified in May 2013. This fragment that's
still in New York was actually given a location. It's just south of
the North Tower. It's between 18 and 41 meters
away from the South Tower. Okay, it's not the kind of
two or 300 meters distance that some remains were found. There's a horrendous
map that I think the fire brigade prepared
and they, you know, they'd tag whether
it's a civilian,
firefighter, et cetera, but there is one that
just tags human remains and it's awful. You've got the two
footprints of the Towers and there's just this
huge spread of remains that were once people. Okay, well we know the steel
beams were propelled out with huge forces, but
the actual physical stuff that I care about,
people and my brother, were ejected outside
of the footprints. And it's just, it's so
unpleasant thinking about it, but I've since read a lot
that has been published about the search to
try and identify people is this concept of commingling. - The explosive force
that blew over firetrucks and peeled stone
facades from buildings also disintegrated human bodies, turning bones into
flying shrapnel. The tidal wave of debris
that carried human remains blocks away, depositing them, in some cases on
top of buildings, also fused soft tissue
into bone fragments. - And that basically
means the impact of the force of the explosion, you know, not just the
pancake collapse, whatever, has actually mingled
remains into my brother. And so the only explanation
she could give me was they couldn't get a
clear single DNA match in those remains so I just
got this horrible vision of other people's
remains being removed from my brother's face. It was just, yeah. - That's not going to
happen from crushing. A building collapses and two
or more people are crushed. I can't envision a situation
in which the soft tissue of one victim is
hurled with such force as to become embedded into, attached to a bony
fragment of another victim. I can't envision that. - And one of the things I've
always pondered about is, you know, okay, there's all
massive degree of fragmentation. Some people, nothing
found at all, but you also had fairly large
parts of people being found. I mean, there was one
guy at the inquest, same floor as my brother,
86% of his body was found. I am not going to say
it was, but you know, he was one of the, in
fact, two family members that actually
bothered attending. I mean, there you go. But he's just there going, I
don't, I don't understand why, because everyone kept
being read out, you know, small fragments, all
this two percent, and he's sitting
there going how? And then for me, you know, the unpleasant
conclusion I've drawn is his proximity to explosives so if you were very
close to the explosives, there's not a lot left of you. That's something I've
always thought about, but that's quite a dark
topic to kind of touch on or thought to have, even. - This is a strange situation. I hope that the
architects and engineers and others who have studied
this horrible tragedy and who have expressed
their opinions will be given the opportunity
to testify in public. I hope that happens
and I'm amazed that it has not yet happened. - I've been holding
a vision in my head of standing outside
this building after successfully
getting the authority from the attorney general. It's that it's not
the coroner's court, but it's that important step
after the attorney general. You know, exciting is the
wrong word, but it's like, you know, we're actually
at this point right now where I know that, you
know, myself and mom and hopefully dad and Rob
will be going up to London and actually submitting this
to the attorney general. (gentle music) - Do you want to wear
your hat now, love? - No. - You do.
(laughing) - [Robert] Are you
going to wear a hat? - [Matt] Only for the photo. - [Robert] You want me to sit, or are you sitting there, mom? - Let's assume that
the attorney general grants his authority. An order will go
to the high court to quash the provincial
inquest and to open a new one. The high court typically
sides with what the attorney
general has decided. So, you know, we're hopeful that once the attorney
general says yes, grants his authority, it should be a formality
for the case to be pushed to the West London
coroner's court. And I think the
question then would be after the courts
trial, the court case, how I feel then, and, you know, it's been hard, hard
work over a year to get everything together
to actually come to this day. A couple of weeks before
the 20th anniversary, you know, it's a
massive achievement. I went to the
Reinvestigate 9/11 meeting that was being held in London and it was the first time
I was actually interacting and actually seeing people
who, you know, were like me. Didn't believe the
official narrative of what we've been told. So, yeah, I mean,
'cause in the early days it was really just me.
- Well of course, yes. - I started going
slightly insane in the early years, you know. I was still dealing with
depression and you know, I basically had a huge eureka. I just felt I was able to
actually go public properly and you know, I guess
talk about stuff. And I was kind of
inspired by the speakers that were at Reinvestigate 9/11 and I thought, well, I
can surely do something because I'm a family member
and you know I lost someone. I think that all of us
together as applicants, it helps the case, I
guess, to a certain extent. All right, we want to
go to 54 Douty Street. - Douty?
- Douty Street. - And Evie Devie, that's Henry. - Hi. Hug, hug? The place is like a ghost town. I mean, it goes all the way back and have a lot of
space so if you want to get a meeting
room there, I'm sure. - We're waiting for Ian
Henshall to turn up. - You know, you can't
predict the future, but this could be the moment
that changed everything. You know, I'm not 100%
optimistic about that, but it could be. If you don't even try, then
you've lost to start with, and how much Matt's tried, I mean, this is just
like Matt's day today. - Well, today's the culmination of a lot of hard work
by a lot of people. Where it goes beyond
here, who's to say, we'll find out, I guess,
in probably a few months. - In this box, we have
just shy of 3000 pages. This is a cover letter
to the attorney general. Eye witness statements
from first responders who were there when, you know,
the three towers collapsed. You know, these first
responders who are willing to support our application,
but also in court, they're prepared to be
cross-examined as witnesses. Yeah, I'm hopeful that
we can actually change the verdicts of what
caused my brother's death, that it was explosives
that ultimately killed him. If the senior coroner, at
the Westland coroner's court looks at our application,
decides it has enough merit to reopen my brother's inquest, he can sign that consent order and it will speed
things up tremendously. And, you know, we
could be talking months instead of years to actually
get this stuff into court. When I looked at Geoff's
remains, you know, for me, I wasn't really
looking at my brother. I mean, for me,
the physical form, the 3D form of Geoff is gone. That doesn't mean
he's not, you know, in the stardust and around
us all the time, you know? - Yes, well, this is one of
my favorite photos of Geoff. If you can see here that
he's got his blue spotty tie and after Geoff had died, we went back to the flat
and I asked Caroline I'd love to take
something back of Geoff's and I asked if I could
have his spotty tie. He called it his lucky tie. I like to think of
happy thoughts of Geoff. I know there's a lot of
sadness and that, but yes, I like to go forward thinking
it could make a difference. He worked in London. I think it was the
Abbey National, and it was the time when there
were bomb scares going off. And in fact at Barclaycard
we had various drills and things like that. And he said to me,
do you know, mom, you can just be in the wrong
place at the wrong time. Always thought of Maureen
and the three boys, and in fact, I've been
given a lovely bracelet from Matthew and Mel
with the three signs, the three stones
from the three boys. And if anyone asked me how
many children you've got, I always say three.
(film reel rolling) I think you should be proud of all your efforts and Geoff. - Yeah.
- I hope so. - I'm sure dad is,
too, in his own way. - So I have hope. I think at this stage,
it's too premature for me to be thinking
too far in the future. You know, the application
has been submitted, where it leads after
that, I don't know, but I'm just pleased we're here, it's submitted and we'll
see what the future brings. My wife's always
said she sees me, you know, has visions of
me outside the high court and we've, you know,
we've got it there. She can't really see
further than that, but she just has this vision. She likes me wearing
a shirt occasionally, which I've done today. You know, she just she
sees me outside the court. You know? Am I going to get a haircut? Um, no, I'm going to keep
my hair. It's growing on me. Be fun just to
annoy mom, you know. She prefers me wearing
a hat these days, but no, I like my hair. It's still that a little
bit towards the system and my frustration, but
now it's growing on me. I'm going to keep it. - How should I put this? Yeah, of course governments
lie. It's their job. But it makes you very
cynical about the world. In my view, quite rightly so. - Our country took
the wrong tact. They didn't investigate
9/11 thoroughly and I think it's caused
us to live in fear of something that we
didn't fully understand. - I can't remember who said it. Somebody said, you
know, World War III will be fought with the
most incredible technology, with the most incredible
weapons of war and World War IV will be
fought with sticks and stones. And I believe it. - Thomas Merton had a
phrase that he coined called the unspeakable. Evil so awful and
almost unimaginable that it defied the ability
of words to capture it. It's a void that exists even before uttering
the unspeakable. Well, the void would be
not talking about 9/11. That if we don't deal with
it, then we can't correct it. The story can only last so long, however enduring the seams, that lies always need
protecting, the truth doesn't. ♪ When the dust settled,
the glass and the metal ♪ ♪ Lives devastated, the
screams still echo ♪ ♪ Every mind in America
engulfed in fear ♪ - Let me start again. Right? God, this is like
fucking outtakes. Ridiculous, right? ♪ When the dust settled,
the glass and the metal ♪ ♪ Lives devastated, the
screams still echo ♪ ♪ Every mind in America
engulfed in fear ♪ ♪ Welcome to the Aftermath
the Future's here ♪ ♪ It was a September morning
when everything changed ♪ ♪ Ashes rained from the
towers, Pentagon in flames ♪ ♪ Lives gone in a flash,
loved ones and strangers ♪ ♪ The fear of a boogie
man, a new world danger ♪ ♪ They sold us safety,
lied us into a war ♪ ♪ Spy on your neighbors
and lock your door ♪ ♪ It was written, did
PNAC have a plan for us ♪ ♪ Liars in the White
House, who can you trust ♪ ♪ Evidence gone missing,
bones and steel ♪ ♪ Families want answers,
the truth will heal ♪ ♪ So much dis-info
and outright lies ♪ ♪ Two decades later
and we ask why ♪ ♪ Why was tower seven
left from the report ♪ ♪ Why despite all the
evidence is science ignored ♪ ♪ We insist NIST purposely
skewed the facts ♪ ♪ Smelling like of a
cover-up, a treasonous act ♪ ♪ Unspeakable ♪ ♪ The lies and deception ♪ ♪ Why are they neglecting ♪ ♪ The Truth is in question ♪ ♪ The lies and deception ♪ ♪ Why are they neglecting ♪ ♪ The Truth is in question ♪ ♪ The lies and deception ♪ ♪ Why are they neglecting ♪ ♪ The Truth is in question ♪ ♪ The lies and deception ♪ ♪ Why are they neglecting ♪ ♪ The Truth is in question ♪ ♪ Unspeakable ♪ - Do you mind us being... You know, quite
frankly, emotional. - It's great to feel peaceful. Everyone just wants
to feel peaceful, but I can't do it anymore,
but I'm able to balance it. I'm angry. I'm always angry. I'm angry at this country. - I just want to try
to do the right thing. That's all I would say. ♪ 20 years later
do you feel safer ♪ ♪ Old towers gone,
new skyscrapers ♪ ♪ Homeland security,
The Patriot Act ♪ ♪ Soldiers sent to war
some not making it back ♪ ♪ Wasn't bout Bin Laden
or keepin' us safe ♪ ♪ Money, power, and
oil, leading the chase ♪ ♪ Color-coded warnings
keeping us awake ♪ ♪ 24/7 news cycle
making us hate ♪ ♪ Became us against them ♪ ♪ Every Muslim suspect
as trust runs thin ♪ ♪ NSA spying on
us, this just in ♪ ♪ Any freedoms you have,
yeah, that must end ♪ ♪ It's the new norm ♪ ♪ Panic on the dance floor,
the barrel's still warm ♪ ♪ Terrorist threats streaming
loud from the horn ♪ ♪ So stressed out we
didn't have time to mourn ♪ ♪ Unspeakable ♪ ♪ The lies and deception ♪ ♪ Why are the neglecting ♪ ♪ The Truth is in question ♪ ♪ The lies and deception ♪ ♪ Why are they neglecting ♪ ♪ The Truth is in question ♪ ♪ The lies and deception ♪ ♪ Why are they neglecting ♪ ♪ The Truth is in question ♪ ♪ The lies and deception ♪ ♪ Why are they neglecting ♪ ♪ The Truth is in question ♪ ♪ Unspeakable ♪ - Never really
exposed my feelings publicly like this
in this venue, but I'm doing it because... I want to.
