Sadhguru: Namaskaram to everyone. Today
is referred to as 'Thaipusam' in the Tamil culture, which is considered to
be the most effervescent of the various spiritual events that this culture is full of. Literally every day of the 365 days are marked
for different aspects of life. But this day which is the first Pournami or
the full moon day post solstice after Sankaranti, the first full moon day is called as Thaipusam. Largely in the country, in the larger part
of the country, it is known as the 'Dhanya Pournami.' Dhanya means, it is a full... full moon of
fulfillment. In many ways because of the nature of what
happens on this planet, in relationship with the sun, this is considered to be the most
generous full moon of the year. When I say generous, one who knows how to
get the best out of life, one who is seeing how to make this life in the best possible
way. One will attain to maximum amount of, or one
will reap maximum harvest at this time, so it's called as Dhanya Pournami, the full moon
of fulfillment. The moon has already come up in a glorious
way. There are many things connected with this. This is considered also in Southern India
largely... for ages people always saw this as a day to develop instruments of victory,
that which brings you victory, success in material world, in the emotional world, and
in the spiritual world. This is the day when one hones their instruments,
which will bring success or victory in these different dimensions. The legend goes out to say that it is on this
day that Parvati gave the... the Vel or the spear to Skanda who is known as Muruga in
the South. He is Skanda, he is Kumara, he is Subramania
and he is Muruga, different geographies called him differently, but started as Skanda. So with this instrument or this... with this
weapon of a spear, he got the fame of being the greatest warrior ever. Fought across the subcontinent. It is said he went beyond the present borders
of what we call as Bharat, because his name reverberated in the Persian culture as Iskander,
went further north up into Central Asia and become (became?) Iskandar. And even today, the word slightly mispronounced,
is used a Sikandar. Somebody who is victorious over everybody,
who becomes an emperor of all the rulers, but never held a kingdom. He only fought battles because he was committed
to annihilating injustice. The boy was angry (Laughs), and when somebody
of immense capabilities and hugely blessed, becomes angry... So it happened and wherever he thought there
is injustice, he started killing. Well, literally, his adolescence and youth,
as a youth, he largely killed people. We don't know how many, but across the subcontinent
he did, and he also went slightly out. Then he realized what is justice and what
is injustice is not always an absolute. It is a question of perspective most of the
time. Then he realized that somewhere deep inside
the fury of who he was, is seeking revenge in the form of justice. When you go after somebody thinking you will
serve justice, they will only experience it as revenge. So, I'm not trying to say there is no justice
at all. But there isn't (Laughter). The world, human life always balances between...
we work for either the larger good of the people or larger harm to the people. Never in the history of humanity, have we
achieved that kind of a thing, where there was absolute justice. We've only talked about it, we never have
manag... managed to manifest it. In small societies you may, but as the size
grows, it only becomes about larger well-being. Larger well-being will always be perceived
by a certain group of people as injustice to them, endlessly, in every society, in every
little place, this is going on – even within a home, where there are four, five people,
somebody will always be feeling there is injustice towards them, however you do it, because there
is no absolute definition of what is justice. The largest well-being that we can serve even
a given group of people is the only justice we have managed till now. When he realized this, he washed his sword
and his sphere... spear and went up the mountain and left his body because he knew he was fighting
for a goal, which is not just elusive, which is illusive. Having said that, only if you realize this
in your life, that life is not a bundle of absolutes, then there is possibility of fulfillment. Then you will ask, "Sadhguru are you saying
only corrupt people will find fulfillment?" That is the human struggle. When you employ one dimension of intelligence,
that dimension of intelligence which we consider as intellect, always looks for straight lines. When it does not find straight lines in any
aspect of life, it will feel it's unjust. Another level of intelligence which is not
within the straight lines, which cannot be bound within straight lines, feels perfectly
comfortable with small discrepancies. It is okay with the order that we see in a
forest. But a logical mind will seek a manicured garden
everywhere and will be disappointed. Because manicured gar... garden is only possible
in small patches, never possible as a global phenomena. So that is Skanda's story, but he got his
weapon of instrument, according to the legend on this day. That is why he was so successful in his mission. Well, ultimately, he came to realization that
his mission was not right. But that is also considered victory in this
culture. Anywhere else he would be rated as a failure
because he failed in his mission. But in this culture, which is not of straight
lines, we see this as a success because he realized, in his activity in the world he
failed. But he realized we hold that... we hold that
as the greatest success, not material things. If he had listed this many victories and if
his mission was complete, only then an intellectually constipated society would consider him a success. But here he failed, absolutely failed in his
mission, but he is a success for us, all over Southern India we worship the boy more than
his father (Laughter). Today, everybody is at the Muruga temple (Laughs). Because realization which is not confined
within the... within the definitions of human logic is considered the highest success. On this day, twenty-four years ago, one among
us, one of us, became victorious in her journey. It was a loss for all of us, particularly
for me and my girl, it was a big loss, but we still consider it a success, this is our
problem. A massive loss, but because it was a success
for that life, that life, any life for that matter. A life doesn't belong to anybody. As body, we may say, this is parented by these
people, this is married to this person or that person, or born to this person or that
person, or fathered or mothered this person or that person but as a life, we don't belong
to anybody. As a body, we belong to somebody, maybe. But as a life, we don't belong to anybody. So in that context, it has been one of the
greatest victories that has happened here, though it was a great loss for us. This is a day which is considered as the best
day to start one's pilgrimage. Pilgrimage always meant a journey in which
you will obliterate yourself. Once again, our idea of victory is, we are
obliterated. Our idea of victory is not piling up people
and sitting on top of their heads. Our idea of victory is to obliterate ourselves,
to dissolve ourselves, because this is the land of devotion. The object of devotion is only dissolution. We may use another object as a means to dissolve,
but the fundamental objective is to dissolve. Well, does it mean to say this is a culture
committed to failure? No. Because within the framework of one's intellect,
if once it's there, once it's here, once it's here, you would think he is low, this is medium,
this is high. But we always understood in this culture,
the planet is round and it's spinning. Your ideas of what is low, what is medium,
what is high – you're totally messed up in your head. You don't have a larger perspective of life. You're counting the steps that you climb. Because you're horribly identified with a
little bit of earth that you gathered in the form of your flesh and bone. Because of that your perspective is all messed
up. This is a day where people start a pilgrimage,
particularly in Tamil Nadu. Because pilgrimage means we have started the
process to dissolve ourselves, wear ourselves down in every possible way. People walk hundreds of miles. There is a... still a vibrant culture of pilgrimage
here that people walk hundreds of miles to get to the... generally to the Murugan temple
in Tamil Nadu, but various kinds happening across Southern India. Because, according to the position of the
planet, we have recognized whatever we do within ourselves for our inner well-being
finds results much more easily during this time. As I said, this is a generous or a benevolent
time during the twelve- or thirteen-month cycle. I say twelve or thirteen because there is
a solar cycle and there is a lunar cycle. Solar cycle generally works for us with twelve
as a basic calculation, it can be further divided but twelve works for us. As lunar cycle, it is thirteen. Whichever culture went against everything
that's feminine, labeled thirteen as a bad luck number, they're calling you all bad luck
(Laughter). Yes, generally, unfortunately, women were
considered inauspicious, not allowed to read the sacred book, not allowed to do any sacrament,
but this is a culture where we worship the woman. And here, there are women who are completely
bossing the temple. It's their temple, men cannot enter, they
can, but they can't go into the sanctum. Because this whole idea of what is superior,
what is inferior, comes because you're applying one dimension of your intelligence to everything. One dimension of... see, it is like this,
you just have a foot scale. This is your only measure. So, now what is big, what is small, with this... Okay, this one is five feet tall, that one
is six feet tall. So, that is a big man, this is a small woman,
this is this, this is that. But now, we got some other quantity. Let's say, we got a liter of milk; you went
there and with a foot scale, tch, we spilled the milk. Now you measured nicely (Laughter), and said
this is ten meters of milk. A ten meter of milk can be stretched hundred
meters, if we want. So, there are different dimensions to life
– for everything you have one measuring scale, because of that, something becomes
inferior, something becomes superior, something sacred, something filthy. Now here, either everything is sacred, this
is one way; or everything is filthy, that is also another way. If you do the filthy way, you can't be in
the social sphere of life. So, better see everything as sacred. This is why we you know, go see Devi, this
only. Whatever temple you go, this only. If you see human beings, this only. If you see a cow, this only; an elephant,
this only; rock, this only; a tree, this only; because we are not looking at life from the
limitations of our intellect, which unfortunately, today has become the only window that we open
through our education systems. So, Devi is a tremendous opportunity. She is made in such a way, she's wonky (Laughter). She drives you crazy for no reason. You step inside, not knowing why, tears will
flow, you're quite fine (Laughter), nothing wrong with you (Laughs). Well (Laughs), if life did not overwhelm you
and bring even a drop of tear in your eyes, there is something seriously wrong with you,
you better know that. Yes. If life doesn't overwhelm you, why the hell
are you here? Oh, maybe you want to go to heaven and then
be overwhelmed. All the best. So, the period of sadhana here, in... during
this phase, produces maximum results. Because of this, this Bhairagini, I mean Bhairavi
sadhana, this time, because she has completed her eleven-year cycle, tch. If you did not know her phone number, it is
eleven (Laughter). So, because of this, there are many aspects
because solar cycle is twelve years. What is beyond twelve, belong to Shiva; what
is below twelve, belongs to Devi. "Oh, Shiva has got more numbers" (Laughter)! No (Laughs), that's not how it is. No, because there are some feminists (Laughter). I want you to understand this is ultimate
feminism (Laughs). This is ultimate feminism, where a woman and
all the processes of her body are worshiped; not seen as high and low. So, why eleven, is probably this is not yet
well established in the modern sciences, but in the yogic science, the material dimensions
of the world, the mat... material dimensions of creation are in eleven dimensions – everything
that's material is eleven. If it moves to the twelfth dimension, it starts
dissolving into becoming non-material or non-physical in nature. So, what is beyond twelve, is Shiva's realm. 'Shi-va' means that which is not. So, beyond twelve, it is no more physical. It is that which is not. What is below twelve is eleven. So, this is that which is. So, Devi is consecrated in a way that everything
that we do with her is eleven. You see, even her trishulam is at eleven o'clock,
we are located at eleven degrees latitude, all these things have fallen well together. The way space and time is conceptualized in
the form of material manifestation of creation, even in modern science is moving towards...
theoretical physics is moving towards clearly saying there are eleven brains or eleven membranes
or eleven universes or trans-universes, beyond that is non-physical dimensions. Still there is existence, but not particular
in nature, not material in nature. The deepest trench that you find in the oceans
of this world is eleven kilometers, because the design of what happens in the creation
is based on certain fundamentals. One thing manifests in one way, everything
else is related to that. There is something called as a constructional
theory that they have gone into these days and ah... they are clearly saying the design
of an atom and the design of the cosmos are same. The fundamental design of an amoeba and that
of a human being is the same; only the complexity and sophistication has multiplied many fold
over. So, it looks so different, but fundamentally
it is the same thing. So, because of this, in the material world,
so many things hang around number eleven, because that is the dimension we are representing
as Devi. To find success and victory in the material
world, if you transit from this, go into twelve, we are only thinking of mukti, that is being
liberated from the material world. I always feared when I consecrated eleven
years ago, on that day itself, I said, "I have a fear in my heart that she will become
more popular than him" (Laughter). It is happening already. As a part... part of regular, I mean sorry,
as a part of regulating her popularity, we are doing a bit of a lockdown for the last
few... few years for her, not just for the virus, even before. We're closing down the Devi temple for a period
of time. This period may increase as she becomes more
popular because we don't want people to be more focused on material victory than ultimate
victory in their lives. They need to come, temple is closed, so at
least then they go and sit in dhyana (Laughter/Applause). This is a land, this is a culture which has
prospered and has been the greatest success for the longest period of time in the history
of humanity, not based on its organizational skills, but based on unfolding of individual
genius. We have produced magnificent human beings;
the kind of human beings that Gods would be envious of, so many. So, the success of whatever we did has always
been because genius opened up very generously, because we figured out how life gets to its
best. In this process of unfolding human genius,
the energy manifestation that we refer to as Devi, Bhairavi today, is a significant
aspect that one can use this to unfold the variety of capabilities that a human being
is capable of. Everything that any human being knows who
is living or who are gone by; everything that any human being ever knew, could become a
living source of knowing for you, if only if you open up certain windows within you. No, I'm not talking about the Microsoft product
(Laughter). I'm talking about... okay, doors. Nobody's using that as a brand. Okay, doors. Not yet, I think. You can open up different doorways, within
your perceptional world, where many, many, many aspects of life which got invested in
different people, in little, little parts of knowing, never came together – if they
had come together, something else would have happened for humanity. But if it comes together, in anyone, any one
human being, then what happens around there is incredible and fantastic. Hard to believe that it's true, to that extent
it can go. That is what the potential of Devi is. That is the potential of Bhairavi. How to access this dimension? Well, we could create more complex and sophisticated
methods which will need enormous mental focus and energetic capabilities. But the second cycle of her life, the second
eleven years now that we are starting from today; best way to go right now is with utter
devotion. Devotion means once again, as I already said,
"The object of devotion is dissolution." What can you dissolve? You're not planning to dissolve the body. Everything that you consider as myself – what
you consider... consider as myself right now is, a bundle of likes, dislikes, hates, loves,
wows and pukes (Laughter). I'm... I'm using the social media language, all right
(Laughter). If you dissolve all this, and you're able
to just see life, feel and experience life just the way it is – not the way you think
it is – well, you will become available to Her grace. One who has accessed this grace will live
here in such a way that other people will think you're superhuman. As I've repeatedly said, "This whole thing
is not about being superhuman. It's about realising that being human is super." Because in this culture, there is no super
human being. It is only human beings rising to become god-like. Human beings who are born like you and me,
no special birth, ordinary, regular delivery of their mothers (Laughter). Painful as usual, go through all the trials
and tribulations of life and still rise to a place where everyone sees them as divine. This is what you need to understand. All the people that you worship, whether it
is Krishna, Rama, Shiva, Muruga, all of them walked this geography, went through all the
pains and struggles of life, but today, when you look at them, you think they're god-like. This is very important that we don't drop
them from the hea... heavens. Because it's very important that they remain
an inspiration for you to aspire for that, rather than just nailing them to the wall
and becoming worshipful of them. They live as living inspirations. But did Devi walk this geography? No. We made her up. When I say, "We made her up," we understood
the tech... we understood the technology of 'God-making,' not just as an emotional tool,
but as an energy manifestation, which has magnificent proportions to it. See, today, you have built an aeroplane, let's
say. An aeroplane would have been an impossible
thing just five-hundred years ago, even a concept, even conceptually, it would be difficult,
for the rest of the world. So co... though conceptually it was here. That doesn't matter, let us say anything like
that, it would be out of the world. But we built a mechanism with which now everybody
can fly. Though because of the virus, it's not the
safest thing to do right now. So, a magical thing like this; you know, I'm... I've been involved in aviation since I was
twelve, thirteen years of age. First, the disastrous attempt to build a hang
glider and fly, which cost me some bones (Laughter), and then proper hang glider built by somebody
and flying that and then motorized hang gliders; then, of course, commercial flights. And then now we have a, you know, a rotary
wing license to fly. So, I've been engaged with aviation literally,
almost all my life. So, I have observed this, even though I have
not, I might not have put in thousands of hours of actual flying, I have observed this
and observed this, whether it's a bird or an insect, one aspect of my observation is
always about how it flies. It always fascinated me, how is the damn thing
flying because I couldn't. If we can... if you... because today I see
when you sit in an airport, most people are bored and sitting there because they have
to wait for three, four hours or whatever. There are delays in the flights. I am always sitting in a place where we can... I can see the tarmac where they're landing
and taking off. I must have seen, I don't know, hundreds of
thousands of landings and taking off's in my life. But even today, I get goosebumps the moment
this machine takes off because tonnes of metal and people and baggage and whatever else. The way it flies off, it's still magic. Magic has not gone out of it just because
it's flying every day. Still, it is magic. If the first plane, if you saw flying, you
would think you know, most fantastic thing you witnessed. How come because it's a millionth plane you've
lost it. No, still the same magic is happening. Your ability to experience the magic is gone,
unfortunately. Because you are not living out of consciousness,
you are living out of your silly memory. I'm calling memory silly, not because memory
is silly, because you are making an attempt to make the dead memory live. That is silly. Raising the dead (Laughs)... people this is...
you know especially when I'm... these days they have stopped (Laughs). But initially when I went to certain places
to speak, first question they ask, "Can you raise the dead?" Said, " Why would I do such a stupid thing"
(Laughter)? Already the damn place is crowded (Laughter). If you raise all the dead, phew. I want you to just imagine, you're thinking,
"Yes, yes. If my mother came back, if my grandmother
came back, it's nice." But if everybody's grandmothers and grandfathers
came back (Laughter), whoa, it's the greatest disaster. So, this raising-the-dead business comes from
a very... very adolescent culture, juvenile. Because you think it's the greatest miracle. No, it is the silliest thing you can do, is
raise the dead. The miracle is that you keep this alive and
you keep this well. This is a miracle. Hello? See, you eat a chappathi. The chappathi doesn't look like you, does
it? No, even if you are size zero, it doesn't
look like you (Laughter). It doesn't smell like you. It doesn't taste like you but it becomes you. Tch, tch, tch, this is a miracle. You have no eyes for real miracles that are
happening all the time. But you want some silly miracle like this. No, that's not what she will do. She will make you overflow with life. So overflowing with life, if you have to die
today, you will go willingly. Not that you are wanting to die. You're living. You're living not because you want to live,
because you kept this well, you're living. It's not your desire which gives you victory. It's your competence which gives you victory,
always. So, she is very much in tune with that, she
doesn't care what your desires are. She's looking at how to make you competent
for this life and beyond. And that's important. If you have no competence, you have desire,
all you will get is frustration halfway down the life; this is what they call as, 'midlife
crisis' because they have desires, no competence. They have desire to live joyfully, full of
love, tch. Midlife crisis is usually not only with the
profession, usually it involves the family, relationships, all this. So, I'm saying they want to be super successful
by the time they're thirty-five. They want to be in a great state of love and
romance. None of those things are happening (Laughter). They're in a midlife crisis, simply because
they are not competent either to love; with the attitudes they have, who can love them? _____(Unclear) (Laughter) poor dog is the
only one competent (Laughter). Somehow he's made like that because you know,
God and dog are so closely connected. No, I'm saying at least in spelling (Laughter). So, somehow that poor dog is so competent,
whatever kind of idiot you are, it's still loving (Laughter). Huh? However crude you are, however nonsensical
you are; still it is loving. People are expecting their husbands and wives
to be as (Laughter) competent as a dog. No. There is no one human being anywhere who when
it comes to simply loving... because I see everywhere people say, "Sadhguru, can we have
unconditional love?" I said, "Become a dog" (Laughter). He's already achieved it, I'm saying. If you are a human being, unfortunately there
are conditions and conditions and conditions and conditions. Hello? There are conditions or no? There are conditions. If you can rise a little above that, then
you will see, your love is of a different nature, because you have enough awareness
to realize, love is not about somebody. Love is not some kind of an action. Love is the way you are. You have made your emotional dimension of
your life very, very sweet. If you look at a man, you're loving. If you look at a woman, you're loving. If you look at this pole, you're loving. Even this fat guy, where is he (Few laugh)? Him also, you're loving, and even the cobra,
you're loving. If you close your eyes, you're just overflowing
with love. You understand human experience comes from
within. In that sense, devotion is a powerful tool
that you dissolve all this. What you think is me, what you think is your
persona, or your personality is essentially a bundle of likes, dislikes, prejudices, loves
and hates, wows and pukes (Laughter). No, I don't want to inclu... you know because
we are online, there are people who live there (Laughter). I'm talking (Laughs)... I'm trying to bring them down, so that they
can meet Devi, here in reality. But that's why we're beaming online also,
so that they can at least tch, experience her a little bit, online. We'll leave it there. If there are any questions, please. I heard there are lots of questions (Laughs). Participant: Namaskaram Sadhguru. Sadhguru, you are talking about liberating
the Hindu temples from the clutches of the government. Umm. Sorry, if... Sadhguru: Are you opposing me? Participant: Sorry. Sadhguru: Are you opposing that? Participant: No. Sadhguru: No. Okay! Participant: See, you're talking about liberating
the Hindu temples from the clutches of the government. Sorry, I'm not sure how to ask you this question
without it coming across in the wrong way. So, you're talking about... (Laughter). In case this does happen, who... I understand that anybody can be a part of
the manage who... the management can be done by anybody, but who should actually be in
touch with the deity? Do the... do the Brahmins have to come back
here again? And is this the only way that you can run
a temple? Sadhguru: Mhmm (Laughs). Okay. Ah, I'm not talking about it. I'm... I'm just trying to translate what is written
in the constitution as to how any spiritual or if you want to call it religious spaces,
should be managed or run. The fundamental rights in the country and
in most parts of the world, almost every democratic nation, everybody can run their spiritual
and religious institutions the way they want. Those who want, will go there; those who don't
want, will not go there. So, should a particular community come back? See, we must understand – in this country,
communities were formed on the basis of profession. If you are a carpenter, you are one kind of
Achari. If you are a goldsmith, you are another kind
of Achari. If you are a blacksmith, you are another kind
of Achari. If you are a trader, you are one kind of Vaishya. If you are agriculturist, you are another
kind. If you are a ruling cla... you know, if you
are a militant class, you are one kind. So, based on professions, communities happened
over a period of time. It is not that there was no trans-migration. People could go. It is over a period of time, where unfortunately,
people will perceive differences as discrimination and use it as a tool of exploitation. So, if the Hindu temples, 'if' you're saying,
I am saying, they must be liberated. Hindu temples must be liberated, because... (Applause) because one important aspect of
this is, it never belonged to a particular religion. It belonged to a particular trait. Devi temples are made one way; Shiva temples
are made another way; Krishna temples are made another way; Vishnu temples are all in
one way; Brahma temples in different ways. And all that different kinds of Devis, they
are made differently, these were all energy centers established for different purposes. According to your purpose, whoev... whoever
you are, you could go there. And according to its nature, different class
of people manage different types of temples. Over a period of time, for the maintenance
of the temple, by the devotees constantly contributing to the temple, temple's wealth
grew. As the wealth grew, slowly certain communities
tried to kind of dominate that, because there was so much money and so much wealth. So naturally, certain people dominated that. Well, in the British era, you must understand
this, the Hindu temples were not taken over by the British Empire. It was taken over by a corporate called East
India Company. A business took over the temples. Why was... Do you think the business was interested in
your religion? No, because they saw there was so much wealth,
they decided they must take it. In 1840, because these temples were managed
by the English people, resistance rose in the Christian community, both back home for
them and also here, that Christian men are managing pagan temples, and we cannot condone
that. So they decided to hand it back. By then, they had shaved off all the jewelry,
this, that, they were not... they couldn't take the land to England. So, they took only what could be moved. Some temples escaped this. Most temples lost their gold and diamond and
everything that they had, in huge quantities, because people went on contributing. Only when some emergency like a famine or
something came, it was for the temple to decide how much it should spend on those situations. Anyway, that's a history thing. Now, if we release it, should the Brahmins
come back? Not at all. Right now, there is no such thing, only a
particular caste should become a carpenter, only a particular person should become a jeweler. All kinds of people are becoming jewelers. All kinds of people are doing jewelry design
today, because there is a college to train them. Similarly, we must establish institutions,
where we will train people, "What should happen in a Shiva temple, what should happen in a
Krishna temple, what should happen in a Vishnu temple, what should happen in a Devi temple"
(Applause). So, whoever... whoever learns the process
and passes the examination, they will run the temple (Laughter). Well, right here at Isha Yoga Center, this
is a classic example. Here the Bhairavi Devi, a stringent training
process, because this has a certain level of ritual involved. Only women can do it. Men are only in the outskirts of the temple. They cannot go in because that's the nature
of the consecration. Here in the Dhyanalinga temple, one half of
the month, the lunar month, men manage it. Another half of the lunar month, women manage
it. But, they're all Bhrahmacharis, both ways. They're all ash people. Because he's ash. That is beyond the twelve number is like that. Now, there's a Kala Bhairava temple coming
up, you will see there will be totally different breed of people managing that. Yes, because that serves not only the living;
that is built to serve the dead. So, that needs a completely different kind
of involvement, different kind of competence to manage that. And even in terms of who comes into the temple,
see, here people of all kinds of religions, caste, creed, everybody's coming, nobody checks
who is who, because we are not interested 'who your father was.' We are only interested 'where you want to
go.' This is the fundamental of democracy, I'm
telling you. The fundamental of democracy is, we are not
interested who your father was, we are only interested who you are. That's democracy. That is the basis of spirituality. We don't care who your father was or your
grandfather was. Whatever he might have been, what are you? Where do you want to go? This is all the concern of a spiritual process. So, temples were not places of worship, temples
were not places where one man leads the prayer and everybody follows what he says. It never was. Priest only conducted a process. He's just there to facilitate; he's never
ruling the place. He's never dominating the place, he's never
giving a teaching, nobody ever gives a teaching or philosophy or any kind of stirring up of
the society. This is very important for the future of the
world. So, do not just call them Hindu temples, they
are really temples, where human beings can transform themselves, human beings can nourish
themselves for their inner development. So, right now, I am saying even mosques and
churches and everything should become like this. Let us say I like one aspect of what they're
doing in a mosque, why can't I go there? No, it's all segmented now. You can only go here; they can only go there. Fortunately, we've changed this completely. Here, there are a whole lot of people coming,
many ladies coming burqa-clad ladies, they like Dhyanalinga, they like to sit there. Ah, Bhairavi is probably too ritualistic for
them, they just look like this and go away, but they like Dhyanalinga, they come there. Many come only for the teerthkund, you know,
the Suryakund and the Chandrakund. It is fine with us. We don't force anybody to go here. This is a certain kind, this needs a different
kind of involvement, that needs a different kind of involvement. As long as a human being is willing to follow
the basic norms for which it is set up, basic purpose for which it is set up and basic norms
which facilitate that purpose, any human being should be allowed not only to enter the place,
also to be in the sanctum. If somebody who is born as a whatever nonsense,
high class, low... high caste, low caste, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jew, you know, Sikh,
whatever, if they are drawn to a certain aspect and if they are willing to go through the
necessary preparatory steps, today it can be established as an institution. You must understand, what was institutions
has all been painted negatively as some kind of caste system. Now, institutions which trained blacksmiths
have become blacksmith caste. It's an institution. Unfortunately, somehow the goldsmith people
started propagating that goldsmiths are superior to blacksmiths – though you cannot live
without a blacksmith in a society, you can very well live without a goldsmith (Laughter). Yes! So, this superiority, inferiority business
is something that's happened later on. The temple never had that. See temple means, it is trying to make a certain
dimension of life which is crossing the boundaries of one's physical nature available to people,
available for people to experience that dimension. If you cross the boundaries of physicality,
you have crossed all boundaries and divisions that you have created in the world in the
name of caste, creed, gender, nonsense, all kinds of nonsense. We've... See, all these things have happened in many
temples – they don't allow foreigners. See, there was a time where in India there
were boards – ‘Indians and dogs are not allowed into this place’. So in reaction, you put it up in your temple
– ‘Foreigners not allowed’. This was your little reaction. And also it was true, people came in just
to desecrate the temple. They come in... it is a... any number of incidents,
where they come inside and they want to spit in the temple. Any number of incidents where intentionally
they want to urinate in the temple. Those were the times of occupation. That is gone. Today if somebody who is not born in India,
wants to come into the temple, they’re coming in because they genuinely want to come, not
to desecrate it, not to dishonor it, they’re really coming because they want to experience
it. So, nationality, gender, caste, creed, nothing
matters, because this is a dimension... temple is a dimension where you transact with that
which is beyond your physical nature. This is open to every human being, not only
for management, not only for use, also to be in touch with the sanctum sanatorium, it
is open to everybody. I would like to see that... There used to be... There were Maas here who were African in origin. Now there are people from all over, some from
United States, some from India. I would like to see (Laughs) every kind, maybe
Chinese, Japanese, this, that, works, everything. It’s important. This is important not just for the temple;
this is important for humanity, that without discrimination, everybody can aspire to grow,
everybody can aspire to touch dimensions beyond the limitations of who we are right now. This is the reason why I’m asking for liberating
the temple for (from?) government clutches because they’re still hanging on to a nasty
part of the history which was there. It’s time to eradicate that and build a
grand future (Applause). Participant: I want to ask a question. Sadhguru: Woah, woah, woah! Eight o'clock, they are closing this off,
right? Participants: _____(Unclear)
Sadhguru: There is something called as time and space. Right now, there is space, but there is no
time. Participants: _____(Unclear) Is exoneration
possible? Sadhguru: What is that? Participants: Is exoneration possible? Sadhguru: Exoneration of what? Participants: If we have committed a sin deliberately
_____(Unclear) Sadhguru: It's okay, Hello! We heard the question. It looks like you didn't hear the first part
of the talk at all (Laughter). This is the land of karma, not of sin and
virtue. You can do whatever you want with your life,
as long as you are willing to face the consequence joyfully. You do things; when consequences come, you
will cry, that's not okay. Do whatever the hell you want. But, when the consequence comes, you must
be able to bear it joyfully. Then, you are exonerated (Applause). Here, we have, you know, we have for those
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