The Race to Win Staten Island

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👍︎︎ 1658 👤︎︎ u/MindOfMetalAndWheels 📅︎︎ Sep 12 2019 🗫︎ replies

I like how he's going with the "process of research" style again from the N. Ireland video.

👍︎︎ 315 👤︎︎ u/TehVulpez 📅︎︎ Sep 12 2019 🗫︎ replies

Ofcourse Grey is running around in a graveyard during a thunderstorm. Ofcourse...

👍︎︎ 570 👤︎︎ u/dreaded_l 📅︎︎ Sep 12 2019 🗫︎ replies

As soon as he said “I live thousands of miles away, there’s no way I’m going,” I knew instantly that that meant he was going.

👍︎︎ 294 👤︎︎ u/Ben-Stanley 📅︎︎ Sep 12 2019 🗫︎ replies

This was a really fun adventure. As a historian, I recognised and sympathised with the painstaking hunt for the beginning of the paper trail. Once you've gone down the rabbit hole, it's very difficult to haul yourself back out again.

Also, the NY library looks awesome.

Also also, welcome back Grey! The long journey of internet hermitism is over!

👍︎︎ 284 👤︎︎ u/acuriousoddity 📅︎︎ Sep 12 2019 🗫︎ replies

If you look at the Wikipedia edit page you'll see that Grey really did remove the section on Billopp's voyage about a month ago. Though am I alone in believing that even if it is a "Lady Godiva Story" that it's worth mentioning in some capacity in his article? As long as you acknowledge it as such, the legend is still a notable aspect about the man. George Washington's Wikipedia article mentions the cherry tree story which is 100% apocryphal.

👍︎︎ 117 👤︎︎ u/Cranyx 📅︎︎ Sep 12 2019 🗫︎ replies

That was different. I now feel equally frustrated as Grey so... thanks for sharing I guess.

The Wikipedia article now reads

According to one version of an oft-repeated but inaccurate tale, Captain Billopp's seamanship secured Staten Island to New York, rather than to New Jersey: the island would belong to New York if the captain could circumnavigate it in one day, which he did.

Edit: actually that's the Staten Island article. Grey's edit was on the Captain Billopp page and can be seen here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Billopp_%28Royal_Navy_officer%29&type=revision&diff=913167925&oldid=881604406

👍︎︎ 295 👤︎︎ u/XtremeGoose 📅︎︎ Sep 12 2019 🗫︎ replies

I feel so dumb right now. How does putting a bunch of empty barrels on your ship make you catch the wind better?

👍︎︎ 99 👤︎︎ u/Cheesewithmold 📅︎︎ Sep 12 2019 🗫︎ replies

Bee sighting at 7:02

👍︎︎ 195 👤︎︎ u/mikeyReiach 📅︎︎ Sep 12 2019 🗫︎ replies
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Back in the long, long ago, New York and New Jersey fought over the islands betwixt them. Were they New York or were they New Jersey? To determine what was whose, New York proposed a race! All islands that could be encircled in less than 24 hours would belong to New York. Those not, to New Jersey. Staten Island was the big prize -- then described as "the most commodiousest and richest land". New Jersey wanted it and given the island is huge and back-in-the-day boats were slow,… …New Jersey thought the island impossible to encircle in under a day, and so it would be hers. But young New York, determined to expand her empire state, thought she had the man for the job. Captain Christopher Billopp. The clever captain, lashed empty barrels to his ship, to help catch the wind and make haste,… …and ‘twas this that made the difference, winning the race against time, … …and encircling the most commodiousest island of Staten for New York in just over twenty three hours. This delightful deed earned Billopp historical immortality in books and articles and on Wikipedia … … and the embiggened New York gifted the captain an estate, on Staten Island of course, … … that still stands today, a historical museum and park for the local Staten Island Yorkers that, ... … were it not for Billopp, would find themselves Jerseyites instead. What a cute story! So *perfect* for the video about New York and New Jersey's border disputes I'm working on. But wait, was the 24 hour race around *each island individually* or *all islands at once*? This wording isn't clear. Might as well ask the museum about the route. I’ve always found that hometown historians happily honor hometown heroes. Well, no reason to just sit around, let's follow the footnote trail. New York Times, 1913. [microfilm fed to microfilm reader / mouse clicking] Ok, Billopp gets inspired to put the barrels on his ship. There's great suspense as people await their resident state fate… … and Billopp took “a little over twenty three hours” to complete his journey. That's less than helpful and it's a newspaper: no sources are listed, just the journalist’s name. But she did write a book six years later containing much the same story. (though the onlookers go from suspense to *throbbing suspense*) And, unlike a newspaper, there is a Bibliography (yay!) but it's not broken down by chapter (boo!). I really don't want to go through this. Please tell me the museum wrote back. Hmmmm Wait a minute: More than two hundred years ago? The article says almost three hundred years ago. That’s nearly a hundred years apart. When did this race even happen? Almost three hundred years ago from 1913 would be 1620-ish. But New Jersey only became New Jersey in 1664 via a royal charter. Which… does that thing even mention Billopp? Why do so many organizations put up these tiny, unreadable gif versions of their *founding documents*? Then there's no mention of Billopp, or even Staten Island, so the race had to happen *after* the charter. Which means it's no more than 249 years before this article. That's the *oldest* a source could be. What's the *youngest* reliable source that might mention the race? Well, the Supreme Court dealt with New York and New Jersey island ownership in the 90s. Does that mention Billopp? [popcorn crunching loudly over Supreme Court recording] (Grey) Uhhooohhh [Supreme Court recording continues] (Grey) Ohhhh, New Jersey you’re getting rekt….it’s only just begun. [popcorn crunching loudly over Supreme Court recording] (Grey) Hahahahaha, he got you New York! [popcorn noises over Supreme Court recording] [popcorn container set down on table] thunk (Grey) What was I doing?? Oh right… Nothing about Billopp here, but they do mention another 1880s Supreme Court situation. But that also makes no mention of Billopp. Meanwhile the museum *still* hasn't gotten back and I'm getting suspicious they’re avoiding me. But there is a history section on the site, saying the house was built about 1680, … … and Christoper Billopp was a filthy royal loyal … …. and his home the site of a failed peace talk … … between the righteous revolutionaries and the conquerous crown. A traitor for the video! Sweet. Wait, that's a hundred years apart again… Oh, damn it! There's two of them! Captain Christoper Billopp (two l's, two p's) and Colonel Christoper Billop (two l's, one p) The later the great grandson of the former. Both living on Billopp Manor, Staten Island. This has caused much confusion…. But Billopp the Captain died in 1726, so the race had to happen between 1664 and then. Ok, I give up. Let's dive into this. NOTHING IS CONSISTENT! Look, look: on Wikipedia and in the New York Times, the race took a little over 23 hours. But The Staten Islander, 1911, says the race took exactly 23 hours and 37 minutes. Where did that come from?? And the ship. Sometimes she’s an Atlantic-crossing vessel with cannons. And sometimes she's Billopp's personal plucky boat. Or the manor. In the earliest versions of the story, Billopp already lived on the manor. But in later versions, it was a prize for his victory. Or the barrels. *The barrels*!! In A History of Thomas and Anne Billopp Farmar and Some of their Descendants (1907), … … there's this paragraph about the exact location where Billopp billowed the barrels. But that detail is nowhere else ever mentioned. Just here. But in the earlier Morris's Memorial History of Staten Island (1898) … “It is said that he covered the deck of his vessels with empty barrels, thus gaining considerable sailing power.” The "it" in “it is said”… (a weaselly phrase if there ever was one) … is J. J. Clute, who wrote The Annals of Staten Island twenty years earlier, … … telling the tale with no barrels a'tall. And Clute starts his ‘history' book saying he spoke to a bunch of old-timers … … right before they died and got stories out of them, … … to add to The Forest of All Knowledge, that otherwise would have been lost. Which is a polite way of saying: “This is oral history." Which is a polite way of saying: “This is hearsay." Which means: “This is a hear story.” Which means: “This isn't history.” And so it is revealed. The tale of the race is cute and perfect because it's a Lady Godiva story. (told long after it supposedly happened) And survived the centuries by being clever and cute. And evolving to be clever-er and cuter-er as it passed along. It’s Ye Old Meme. [Grey sighing] So much time wasted… chasing ghosts. Time to fix the record and time to let this go. [tapping fingers on desk] But… whose ghost? Tall tales take tellers. Who told this story for the first time? Reaching across the centuries to steal hours from my life, for the lulz? OK. I've picked up a trial that predates J.J. Clute. There's a New York Evening Post article from 1873… (with the race, without the barrels, and where Billopp already owned the land, by the way) … that lists the prime culprit: Reverend Disosway. The 'local chronicler' who told the story. I’m pinning him as the old-timer Clute spoke to for his book that got the story going. There’s references to Disosway writing articles for The Richmond County Gazette … … about this race that never happened. And Staten Island’s Historical Archives have digitized *hundreds* of volumes. But having gone through *them all*, there’s no articles by Disosway. But there are some missing volumes. Now, look. I don't want to get all conspiratorial here… About a History Museum that never wrote back. Or a Staten Island Historical Archive that just so happens to be missing the couple parts I’m looking for. But I’m in… so deep now. I’ve tracked down the only place on earth with surviving physical copies… … of the Richmond County Gazette. The New York Public Library. Who just so happens to also list the vital volumes as missing. But are they really?! Perhaps, somewhere in their archive of old and rare books are the missing editions. But alas, I live thousands of miles away. The trail ran cold, but I have the culprit’s name. Disosway (1798 to 1868) is the first tall tale teller. But the first written records are lost to history. Time to let it go. [airplane whirring] [airplane cabin noises] [airport music / people talking in the background] [traffic noises] I couldn't let it go. I came to the New York Public Library to see for myself that Disosway's first story… … about Billopp in the Richmond County Gazette really is missing. [loud foot steps on the marble stairs] Ohhhhh… This is it. The last place with answers. The Rare Book Room. [Grey knocking on door] (Grey, whispering loudly) It's really over now. I tried to talk the librarians into letting me into their rare books crypt. And, to my great surprise, they said… “No.” (librarian) Shhhh!! (Grey, to librarian) Sorry. (Grey, whispering more quietly) But I did get to talk to someone who might just be the world's expert on the The Gazette… … and confirmed to me (quite firmly) that the lost volumes really are lost. So…this is it. The end of the footnote trail. There’s nowhere left to go. [ferry horn blows] [unintelligible voice speaking over boat speaker] While I'm here, might as well go to the Billopp Museum, … … and talk to the historians who never got back to me. (chuckling) Ignore my emails? I might just show up! You've got to be kidding me. They closed it! I came all this way and they closed it?!?! [Grey chuckling turns into crazed laughter] Well… at least I know the building is real. Though when and why it was built isn’t exactly nailed down. And… as far and I can know… Captain and Colonel Christopher Billops were real people, … … connected to the founding and freedom of the country. And these hooks on reality probably helped Disosway’s tale survive over the centuries. From his mouth to Clute's ear and book, onward to others. And eventually the New York Times, to be sourced in the Wikipedia, … … to be found (I wish it had never happened) by me. But here, on the southern tip of Staten Island, … … alone and locked out of Billopp's house, it’s really the end of the story. Nothing else waits on this island for me, but ghosts and graves. Oh!! Where is it?? [loud thunder crashes over rain sounds] I know you’re here somewhere! [rumbling thunder and rain sounds] [softer rain sounds] Ahh, hahaha. Oh, it’s amazing! [soft thunder dying out]
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Channel: CGP Grey
Views: 3,248,260
Rating: 4.9643006 out of 5
Keywords: cgpgrey, education, new york, new jersey, statin island, history
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Length: 11min 6sec (666 seconds)
Published: Thu Sep 12 2019
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