The Process of a Record-Breaking Artist! Mark Maggiori | #TheCreativeEndeavour 54

hi there and welcome back to the creative Endeavor podcast this is the podcast bringing you inspiring stories from creative professionals from around the world it's real conversations with real artists and in this episode I'm welcoming back Mark majori I spoke to him some time ago on the podcast and I had such a blast getting to know him then he kindly agreed to come back and talk with me once again and I really wanted to hit him up about that thing that I think we all saw you know the art worlds of Blaze talking about this that amazing sellout show that he just had now I'm sure that must have broken some sort of record I was following Along on social media just scrolling on my phone across his feed I found myself just cheering almost punching the air just going yes this is amazing now I don't know about you but I get really fired up when I see somebody kicking massive goals and succeeding in such a profound way and I want to hear a little bit of the insight as to what got them and to where they are and here in this interview Mark did not disappoint I wanted to ask him about the lead up to that show and some of his feelings afterward what his definition of success is but also some of the things that are facing him as an artist in this day and age now I don't know about you but AI it seems to be this thing that's continuing to come up in conversations that I'm having and it's you know something I'm a little bit concerned about I got some reservations about this but you know whether you think it's an asset or a threat I'm Keen to hear what you think hit me up in those comments down below but I want to ask some of the artists that come on the podcast here like Mark what do you think about this and what are some of the things that he's concerned about or you know looking forward to maybe there's a shift here maybe there's something that would help him in his creative process it's really interesting to hear his take on AI in particular now if you're not already following Mark online I've put a link to his Instagram and his website in the description down below make sure you're following him there he does some incredible work these epic cowboy western scenes you know you've probably been following him already it's just amazing stuff so he gave us a little bit of an insight into how he creates his paintings as well that was really cool to get into some of the Art Shop talk now just a shout out and a big thank you to my Academy students who knew well ahead of time that I was going to interview Mark and so they got some questions to me that I was able to put to him in regards to the technical side and his approach to painting and how he creates some of these amazing Western scenes so without further Ado let's get into this podcast here's Mark majori in the creative endeavor [Music] thank you [Music] so many things that I want to dive into but first I just want to say welcome back to the podcast it's an absolute pleasure to have you company again and just thank you so much for making the time yeah sure thank you man I appreciate it it's good timing because I just finished the painting like three days ago and I'm kind of you know taking a few days in between always like to kind of like regroup know what's up the things I'm good awesome well I've got not only some questions that I'm dying to ask you but I also have some of my Online Academy students who have hit me up and I let them know in advance that hey look I'm gonna be interviewing Mark again we're going to be going here round two why don't you give me some questions that you would like to ask Mark some of the things about his work his past you know how he got started and some of the the latest development um so I'll just be asking these kind of at random as we go but there are some fantastic questions that have come through and I'm thinking oh man that that that was a really good question I I I'm really excited to put some of these to you but the thing that I'm really interested in and look I think we all all saw it it was just such an amazing moment watching some of those posts that you were making on Instagram from the the show that you had in recent months and that must have broken some sort of record but I was just there as I was looking at these posts watching these sales come through looking at how amazing the paintings were just kind of cheering just going yes that was just so inspiring I I really wanted to know like can you describe that moment to me of that show and what that what that felt like being there you know the culmination of all this hard work and then you're there in opening night you know watching you and some of those videos it was just like you could see it almost wash over you in a way that it was like it's just kind of sinking in and this excitement was then sort of building describe that moment for me well so it's it's um I mean you know your painter as well you know the feeling uh this this path that it comes from like the building of an image an idea and then putting on canvas and then you know put everything you got to make a great image and then knowing it's going to a show so it's going to be seen by so many people and you know they're gonna see you work in the flesh so there's all those those variables that are get in the mix where you put everything you have to make sure you you done your best and and then comes the time where you know painting gets in the frame and then you bring it to the gallery and then it's not in your hands anymore you've done everything you could and uh it's in the end of you know a higher power um and it's it's the most stressful because you don't have a control of that um you know everything else is it's under your control and it's it's about you know it's it's just up to you to make it the best you can but then after that you don't know so it's random and it's stressful so yeah I think from from the time you know a few days before the show you know the anxiety was kind of building for me I was like wondering you know if it's you know if it's gonna sell and I had not sell real pain like paintings in about two years at that moment because I was kind of like um working and I I voluntarily dried the market to make sure you know nobody was getting anything and and buyers or collectors would be pretty hungry for the show and so that we even were questioning with my gallery stuff of in a price point and it was like well this is difficult because you are you know kind of you know famous people know as you people won't get worried with Dan you know their last paintings didn't sell for that amount so it's like we have to find an in-between that makes sense for nowaday and your status but also you know for buyers to bought you like two years ago not being like a huge gap of like oh the price of raised so we kind of priced everything I would say uh you know kind of the really the Bellow limit or I was like feeling comfortable with it and but I was still stressed stressed about it like the morning I remember the morning of the day I was like are we sure like putting those those estimates on the action is it too much I was like so I was concerned somehow you know that if it was gonna and then the whole show happened and then the sales like first first painting goes for auction because like three or four times above the estimate and then all like that all of it to like all and it was just keeps on going and I I couldn't even freaking believe it but I as soon as it gets in it you it's in a rows reminds me of you know like I love soccer and it's like you know it would be like a a big game and it's like the final and it's so stress and then all of a sudden your team put one goal two goal three goals and you're like you know it's just getting better and better and you know you know the victory is here and you're like thriving through it in this like moment of beliefs where everything is just flowing so well so um yeah but that was it I was it was unbelievable it was unbelievable fantastic man it's interesting that to hear so so it it wasn't a result that you were expecting you were kind of nervous going into it not at all man I mean again I had made my little calculation you know there was a lot of steak because we hadn't been selling paintings for a long time and you know of course you know when you put all your life in in that you you were you kind of hope that you're gonna get some kind of return because you know we gotta we're gonna keep going and um so yeah of course I was I was very anxious and um and then you know all those record broken and just was crazy and so with the work itself like your paintings are stunning man they're they're really beautiful and the work itself what were some of the things that you were exploring some of the stuff that you were you were trying to kind of feel your way around because you know putting together a show a body of work that's a huge undertaking you know obviously you've got a a a subject and a style that you're you're you're into and you you're eating up with but was there something that you were trying to push a bit further explore a bit more in your work yeah um it's so I feel like I was when I started the paint Western I was really focused on the figures and and you know the background was was the background and uh literally the background like behind the figure um and of course as my career you know developed you know I was you know painting more and more subjects even changing the subject because I started with with Cowboys and then I I tweet not a switch but I I slowly got into Native Americans because I was living in Taos and um it felt natural but then leaving actually in New Mexico and you know being uh inside that subject all day and feeling the importance of the elements um I slowly wanted to maybe diminish the size of my figures and put more and faces on on the background and the background becoming you know more of a foreground somehow um so it all kind of get to the peak on that painting I did with this uh a very small subject Native American and then the cloud was huge and and we had a really good I had a really good reaction on that or when I posted on my Instagram I remember thousands of comments um because it was different all of a sudden and so at the show for me that was kind of like the kind of Call of the show and um so yeah I'm very excited about that direction because I'm taking it from there I'm probably Gonna Keep exploring and you know that way uh you know Landscapes and and maybe yeah reducing a little bit the the size of the figures uh not all the time but it's it's interesting and so that's a nice little you know route that I I'm really enjoying exploring beryllium brilliant it's really it's awesome to hear how sort of doorways open up and opportunities present themselves as you're developing the work you're like oh that looks cool let's let's go over here and explore that direction exactly I mean it is what it is we kind of follow our Inspirations and um and things have to make sense for for what you do you know sometimes people ask you um you know you're gonna paint other things in you know you're like sure I'm inspired by a lot of things but then it doesn't make sense to paint it like how do I feel painting it you do is it good for me is it something that and it's I've kind of learned to just accept you know the things that I'm good at and and that's what I keep doing and um obviously I'm I'm good at doing this so I'm enjoying doing it so why absolutely trying to do something else when you know there's so much more I could do in that style and that genre because it's obviously very inspiring for me so yeah that's that's so cool man to hear because I mean you can tell that that that you're loving what you're doing that's it's awesome and look I've got a question here from Lori uh and she wants to know and just in regards to the show specifically how long did it take you to get paintings ready for your recent show at Legacy gallery and did he continue to generate income while he was saving paintings for the show um yeah so I think we had this conversation uh on the previous podcast but um I have a very strong print market so I'm doing those print sale twice a year um try to keep it something special and and very exciting for for the fans uh and collectors and um so yeah luckily this is this is an important source of income and uh so I I'm able because of the prince uh to decide and not you know I could not paint for a year if I want and because that sustains it uh it might not be like that forever and I'm always like you know very um aware of of all that but so far the Market's good and so I I I keep doing it a lot of people keep asking for it that's also the thing I'm very um trying to be very aware of of the audience and and what people and I'm keep constantly gaining followers and the followers are are new buyers because you know somebody who just started following me two months ago they didn't do the sale of December so they won't print now so that's why the sale of June is cool then I can have one and and so on so um yeah this is cool and it it's great to not have to rely just on paintings so I worked on the gallery show for about two years and a half uh and I wasn't I was telling their sketches sometimes and I might have done like one commission but most of it it was I was saving each painting for the show so yeah it it is uh it can be challenging uh uh but um I was lucky to have the print Market to help me that's awesome that's awesome well you've you've got to you've got to also be a little bit business minded about it too don't you I mean to keep everything going and because it's it's a really I mean it's a fast-paced world now there's so much stuff going on there's a lot of stuff kind of vying for our attention as artists but in order to keep the thing going you know I found with my own business that you've got to have those multiple revenue streams that if I was just a painter Selling paintings that that is sometimes it's kind of like putting all your eggs in one basket right it's you know it can be a bit difficult yeah it depends also of your needs and um you know if you're if you're a single guy and you're young and you you know you're just living an apartment and you don't need much to leave and be happy then it's fine you can do that but you know we're getting older I'm 45 and I have three daughters and wife and you know family and all kinds of things so of course you have to generate in common try to make it you know big somehow that you know everybody is is happy and everything's good so um I keep pushing and pushing you know just makes me happy to provide for the family and all that that's enough of an incentive to kind of like get you awake in the morning and get go for it for sure for sure I that that didn't really click into place for me until I had my son and then I'm like oh let's go it's go it's go time and that's exactly I mean you want to give them everything you can like that's yes yeah human nature it is man it is um let's let's focus for a little bit on the work I've got loads of technical questions that have come through first I want to ask you about your Source material and we did speak a little bit about that and and I've heard other podcasts with you where you've spoken about how you get your images here but I I just for the sake of this podcast I really love to hear some more about that I got a question here from Trey who says how does he maintain a consistency in reference and ideas and uh how do you mark um Define what idea and or reference is better than something else like when you find that golden moment how do you know that aha that's it so what are what are some of those things that you're looking for at some of those visual cues and and just on a just to add on to that you know you have quite a process for getting the stuff it's not just a matter of taking a snap I know and oh I'm gonna paint that one there's a lot that goes into actually capturing that idea first I'd love to hear more about that um yeah so I mean obviously the the process of of getting references is for me the most important and most interesting part um because it's human experiences and I think that's what kind of like feed your soul and and it all has to go from there um so yeah I I really do like to create those moments you know by going out there meeting people and and setting to setting up photo shoots um it's not always easy to do it because you know we're super busy and and you know it takes a lot recently I also have lots of back problems so I can't be as much as rock and roll as I used to be you know jumping there and jumping there uh but hopefully it'll get better um but anyway so it's it's it's one thing to like create that and then when you come back with all your material you know you've been like so inspired and and kind of like electrified by this this moment or those days or whatever you've done with with models um you go back to your computer or start looking at things there is this magic that you know you've been capturing somehow somewhere and I know and I should I I'm always super like so sometimes I see things during the photo shoot when I'm like oh that's this was great but sometimes even better it's like there's been like a like a light effect or something that happened as you were shooting that you were not maybe aware of you know that Ray of Light that hit the face the thing of the horse or reflection on them and this you see it when you see your your photos and you're like wow okay this is it the crazy part is that when I do a photo shoot for it maybe I shoot for a whole day or an afternoon you come back with you know sometimes more than a thousand pictures and you go through it you're gonna have maybe two or three paintings from that like three or four major that's it yeah um I only had one photo shoot one in my life where I had maybe 10 paintings out of it because it also it was like a whole bit different outfit different location it was a huge day so I had a lot of materials from that but uh it could be frustrating because you're like oh you know I spent all this time and money to like go there and shoot stuff and and it's but you know it doesn't matter because you that's you know those paintings are enough and you know if it's three major piece then that's enough then you do another photo shoot and go somewhere else so um I really do enjoy that that part of the process um and I don't know if there was more to that question now that um that that really sums it up I mean it's just the amount of effort though that you go to is pretty extraordinary you know it's it's because it sounds a lot like you're composing also you know outside you do have a certain intention but you're also leaving the door open for the surprise to happen for that for that moment yeah 100 I think that is so important and um and maybe we'll talk about AI after that and you know maybe there's a question about that or something that because it's so present right now and there's so much to talk about it's just fascinating yeah yeah yeah and I I believe that there is um yes there is still that thing uh that is possible with this process of work that is not that AI doesn't give yet this is the the yeah the magic of things that you know happened through human connection and the connection to an experience that one person did you know like me going out there meeting this cowboy shooting him his story his land going back painting it people seeing the painting they see the guy he's a real guy he lives there as a all this connection the human soul people feel that and that's cool emotion and that's what art is about it's not just about you know being impressive stuff or it's impressive oh wow this is great what AI can create it's impressive you don't have to go anywhere anymore you can get everything on your computer yeah you're gonna miss the component which is the human connection and we are still humans you know I mean so yeah you know I mean like this that's it and of course it's a great tool I mean I'm changing subject I don't want to change something no no no no no I no that let's go let's go there let's to talk about this because in the process of creation and it's great and but but people need to understand that it's not enough it's not enough it needs to survey the tool and I think I think only people are realizing it and um if you just if you're missing The Human Experience something's not gonna connect there you go yeah and uh it's the same for movies you know there's movies when they put in millions of new effects Non-Stop and it's like yeah and those movies you were telling why I took so much and then you're like do you think you remember those movies actually no and then you can have two persons sitting on a bench talking about love and you cry and you're gonna remember this movie for the rest of your life and it was nothing it was just two-person talking you know versus a billion dollar movies with all the new effects in the train that are like incredible uh and I think for art it's exactly the same so you know be reassured painters out there that's that's no it's wonderful to hear you know you're right you know you're gonna you're gonna remain standing because there's I mean let's face it man there's a lot of people out there that are losing their minds there's a lot of people that are really excited about it there's there's people that are going well I'm gonna use AI to compose my paintings now and or now I'm gonna go off in this direction and I I was first of all like really cure curious about it personally and then I was thinking okay well yeah maybe I can see there's some danger here even just from a business standpoint I can see this is going to displace a lot of artists but there's a certain aspect to it that you know as you were saying there you you can't delegate that to a machine you can't delegate that connection that you have to subject to a machine you know I've said um to my students that I I believe art is three things mainly you know you're providing a product you create a thing right you provide a service with your thing you can do something you could decorate a space you can you know you you can use your artistic skills to do stuff and then but the third third part is the process now ai might have you whipped on two of those things it can create a product right and it can create a service cool well let it have that but the last thing that it can't do is it the process of you being engaged and connecting it's like it's like trying to get someone else to eat your lunch for you it's it's absolutely pointless exactly and and we've experienced we've experienced it personally so that's why I'm referring to it it's like I've seen artists already on it that have been even communicating with that are making images on AI and they're really good at it you know you see the image first glance if you think it's a painting this is insane and then you're like oh it's AI generated right away my interests dropped like 70 yeah and then I look at the image and nothing is happening in my heart my belly my soul nothing is happening it's a great image next one because if I knew that this image was painted by a guy in a studio that the woman on the painting or whatever was this Muse or wife and you all of a sudden I see the image in a total different light and I would I would probably connect with it more but people need to understand that is that what touches us is the work of the artist it's just you know all this those stories let's refer let's give an example with stalker again let's say now they're gonna do players that are like robots and they can put the ball in the goal every time put them on you know a team can buy this player and is this video he has legs and he can put the ball in so you win every time nobody gives you want to see the humans struggling to put the ball in the goal that's what the whole game is about if there is a solution and what well who cares and so you know I I get it like I saw this new Photoshop thing you can like add up stuff to your background cool I'm gonna spend less time creating that on my own if I wanted more of that mountain in there I can Photoshop can create it for you that's a good tool awesome I want to change maybe this great but that's not enough that's the tool then you need to you know put your heart to it and and make it happen because yeah yeah I'm kind of I don't know I'm not too I think AI is more scary for other things in other fields you know where like I feel like you know it's getting a beast it's getting it's becoming a pretty incredible Beast for other things like how are we gonna you know think you know our kids how you know we're gonna keep them you know to learn how to think from themselves how to write for themselves if they can have everything provided by AI I want it what are the brains gonna become like a freaking like a mushy marshmallow you know that's the that's the danger of that is that it keeps making humans weak and and as a spaces we can't become weak because then we're going to become worly you know this movie and all I wish oh man I was just thinking that as you said that yeah yeah exactly and we gotta fight because if we let it go and use this and you know it's the same for painters if you're a painter you're gonna use AI then you're gonna start painting then you're not gonna know how to paint anymore and then too bad for you you know what are you gonna do just be a computer or a hunchback like that yeah it oh man exactly exactly I I couldn't agree more you know so what would you say to some some artists out there if they were young uh you know starting artists I mean let's say you started today and so AI comes onto the scene you can see you can get a little bit of an edge do something do you think you could resist that temptation to to just go well because there's something to it like there's a convenience to it but I I personally I like putting in the work I like doing the boring thumbnails and all that the rewards as a personal you know are you gonna brag that you have this a beautiful image you created on AI what about it like you had great prompt that was just like put some cool prompts there's just nothing so it's like okay cool but if everybody can do it there is nothing to it you know what's great is to see when somebody you know you you're in a live live drawing class and you see all the students in this model and you see how people try to get this face right and all of a sudden this guy is is beautiful what he's doing so it's it's emotional yeah you know there's no point to like create a new life new drawing with AI cool or what's the point yeah and I'm as well like you know like chatting potatoes or do whatever but speaking of prompt Sir Mark I guarantee you're in our prompt on AI I I guarantee give me Cowboy painting uh in the style of majori what you can do is that you can do art buy when you do art buy and you put a name on artist then you know if he knows it or not so he knows some artists very well somebody doesn't Mark majori doesn't when you do art by Mark major read something weird so yeah exactly if you do art by you against Roya he does like a saroya thing like for sure because he knows it but majority doesn't yeah cool for me I do but again I don't care people want to generate my major is painting cool you know it's just like whatever you're you're doing your own thing yeah yeah it's it's yeah it's it's a fascinating thing man I think we're seeing a a real changing World on all fronts to do with AI but I think what's going to happen is there will be a knee-jerk reaction and and you know there's there's a few that are waking up to it I think it's going to get more and more people because people are going to start to realize I mean back to your analogy of robots playing soccer to be like this sucks this sucks you know let's go back to the let's go back to that park bench with the two lovers talking let's actually feel something here let's connect yeah so um let's let's talk I mean about about image creation here about about putting the painting together because I've got two questions here I'm actually really interested to know this as well you've got you've got a beautifully luminous quality in the paintings themselves and so you know when I'm teaching one thing that I I talk about continually is like okay look hold back with your tone hold back with your saturation then when you when you put it in there you create this moment and you you get this feeling like the the color and the lights exploding off off the painting but when I look at your work the the whole thing just feels like it's bursting with life and light and energy so I gotta I got a question here from Barbara and she wanted to know how do you get the glow in the painting hmm that's a good question and it's difficult to understand answer um I always refer to my grandma and she's Italian and you know she was making the best pasta in the world and how many times did we ask her can you write the recipe so we can try to make it at home and she's like and you don't never get the recipe because she doesn't know how she does it and I kind of think it's the same for me with painting I don't know how I do it I just do it and of course I apply some rules that were like super you know classic and I've learned over the years um you know about you know uh kind of like you know the difference of the tones and you know bouncing warm and cold constantly and and also the the ratio of of light in dark in an image you know the kind of trying to apply to like the one third all the time so it's either one third light or or one third dark but it kind of like just playing with that all the time and it's again something that is very uh sensitive like um like I say I'm always working um small and I do my images first I work on Photoshop I play it compose this stuff so I make sure like it really appeals to my eye and also make sure that every time I paint the subject um I sketch it before so I know that you know the lights and shadows are playing well on the subject um and that's fascinating because when you look at three posts you know if somebody moves on a horse and goes like this and you do one two three pictures the lights completely different in each of them even if it was like the same moment uh and one of them is going to be great and maybe the one right after is not great but you have to test that by sketching it to kind of look at it instead of just jumping in it oh cool photo I'm gonna paint it yeah but maybe there's a better one uh where the light reflects better and um so yeah that that's the thing um Morris yeah make sure that um the the light as a path through the painting and you know it's bouncing at different places and it's um so yeah it's it's amazing I mean looking at some of these images they're so striking and hearing you talk about the relationship of your tones your dark to light so is that a cinematic thing would that be something that came from your film days that you're like you know yeah because the color relationships as well in your paintings are are extraordinary you know I see such strong use of complementary opposites in a lot of your opinions where you're balancing these effects so so how much of that yeah came from that cinematic background and then you've kind of taken it and run with it right yeah yeah exactly I think by um storyboarding a lot I did a lot of storyboarding and always try to make sure everything is is very simple and not the right place and that is always like Dark Shadows Dark Shadows Dark Shadows Dark Shadows all the time and um and yeah the I play a lot with some Buzzy color rules but I think everybody kind of does that but maybe not I don't know it's just uh all the impressionist rules um I play with it uh mostly at the end of the process um when the painting is pretty much finished I do a lot A La Prima but sometimes I do a second coat and at the end just an example if if there is bushes in the front and you know some of the bushes like you think my last painting there's like just a little bit of light that was hitting the top of the bushes on the left part but all the bright part was dark so it's the Shadows it's like golden hour so everything is in the shade usually it's in the proposed you know bluish purplish but at the end when I'm when the thing is kind of you know good at my eye and then I play with purples and I create like a bunch of completely like crazy purples and I just go three little thing and then I I change and I make more like magenta purplish and boom boom two or three there to kind of like make those those those Shadows vibrates like and this is just impressionism you know that's like the basic rules of impressionism but you don't see that when you see my paintings on Instagram because it's small so that's the thing you see when you see them in person and you're like oh you put all this but when you go far it works this just makes it vibrant because there's you know I always like to change the the color in the same like say that you know this bush is lit where the light hits I'm not gonna make like a bright color like white and yellow and just make all my highlights I make like 20 different type of highlights I you know mix the yellows or pink in it and then a little bit of like orangey in it and so it's just like to keep like always having things vibrating um I get this idea even when from painting outside but also on on working with Photoshop and I've I remember very young like you know and even when we're in art school and we were Photoshop stuff and you zoom in it and you want to click a color every time you click it's different you know if you like zoom in like a piece of grass you click on it you get 30 greens that are showing up and so I would like kind of use this when I paint and and never having the same color and sometimes people are like oh when you paint that rock did you use magenta cream store and this and that I'm like no man I have you know I have I try to have a limited pad color and colors so I have maybe you know one red I have a King Crimson I'm using a crimson a red and then a ultramarine and I just play with mixing things differently and uh to to never have the same colors for things it's every time it's different everything is the 50s green it's never going to be the same green all the way maybe I do a first wash of green start like making a difference I don't know if that answers no no that that does answer it it's it's interesting to hear how much goes into it I mean and it's isn't it sad I mean you spend so much time on a painting and then you're posting it to Instagram now of course you got the original you can show it in a gallery and and have an exhibition or it's a commission for somebody so it will be enjoyed but you know unfortunately all I've been able to see of your work is on this little tiny screen and then um you know on on the internet like I pulled up your website here um so it's great to hear what goes into it because I you know when I'm creating a painting and then photograph it it reduces down I'm like no there's so much more that went into that there's a dimension there when you're actually standing in front of the original that most will just never get to appreciate and I find it kind of sad you know I know but you know those paintings exist and um and and hopefully you know they maybe they have and you know this this Museum in Arizona was asking me that maybe one day we do a kind of already like a retrospective and talk to different buyers that you know about painting over the last eight years and maybe they would you know get painting for a show and and maybe we do a show that is not painting to buy but it's just painting The Sea and uh it would be cool you know that kind of initiative so people can actually come and see it that'll be cool let me know when that's happening I'd love to see that um hey so I I've got a question here from Andrew nealand and so we were talking a little bit about colors there and he he wanted to know okay what are your must-haves your subjects the lighting scenarios are varied from like middle of the day on some of them some knock turns uh you've got some that are you know that golden hour that are just so striking but do you have any well as you're changing up your painting your subject are you and you're changing up your palette do you have anything that's like not every pie needs got this that or the other what what are your go-to must-haves what's your favorite tube of oil paint colors yeah yeah oh um yeah like I said I'm I'm just um mostly I have this simple range of color because again I always like to tell people that when you print a picture on a color printer he only has three colors and he's able to master the frame so it's all about mixing the color on the right way in order to get so you don't need like when I'm so sorry it keeps like I don't know how to desynchronize this thing with my computer it's the computer rings but yeah so I'm trying to um not having when I see people that have like you know 20 colors on their palette I don't know how they do it because I would get lost so I I prefer to keep it very simple and like I say sometimes at the end um even I go to the store like if I you know I was painting those clouds and there was a bunch of interesting oranges on the references and I felt like I was missing something to make it even more vibrant so I went to the store and I kind of like bought three different oranges and I came back and my cars were almost finished but I went on the highlights and just kind of like met those little new entities with different oranges um so yeah I'm just like simple colors um the basics I don't I don't there's a purple that I love that I always put in my palette uh from the store Bleak in the US and it's a it's called Violet gray Violet gray and it's super it's I don't know I've tried every brand of this kind of like like purple violet thing uh but bleaks as the best like it's so saturated um and so I have in my I have I bought you know I always buy them by Pakistan and I just I always have it like so no matter what the color of the day if I do it like you say a scene at noon or a scene at night or there's always gonna be this purple in it because it works all the time like if it's in a bright day it works very well with greens if it's a nocture and it can actually work to you know even on like this guy you can put little so it's a great color to have fantastic who makes that sorry Bleak black ah okay Violet gray Blick all right it just it just sold out I was in my studio I will show you but I'm in the living room no worries no worries that's um that's really um that's really interesting man it's so when you're painting your you're putting your paintings together this is just something that I'd love to know because you know your style is so so slick and it it like your edges are really clean they're just yeah I don't mean to gush too much here man but I'm a big fan but I I'm looking at this and I'm trying to think about this as a bit of a detective looking throughout the piece guide is he using synthetics or bristles or both so let's let me ask you about your brushes that you're using to actually apply the paint let's get a little bit in the nitty-gritty and the technical here what um what are some of your go-to favorites I imagine you're using a range though right yeah I have I mean I have very um basic I I work with rosemary brushes and I use the Evergreens and we're actually they're coming up with a set for me uh and it's been in the pipe for a long time I think it's gonna release soon I don't know what's happening with that but I have to talk with them um but yeah I'm using three sizes of of the Evergreen all the time the the zero two and four um and I have this brush that from Blake as well that is like a one dollar brush or two dollars they're super cheap they have they call uh script something I forgot the name um and they're yes color Scholars I forgot man I'm the worst with names um but yeah the point is really good because it's really pointy and it's long enough um and I'm by them by hundreds and they make me they last me a day not more so I throw them away all the time but they're pretty cheap and so we've tried to recreate those with rosemary for my set and I did a really good job at it uh so in the stand there's gonna be a similar brush that we're calling the majorie and it's really really cool so um but um so I pretty much work with those three and when I do my clouds I use a Bristol uh with those hair there now forbidden here in America so that sucks because they don't ship them here anymore oh wow by the the I think it's the hair they're using um or some so um they can ship in Europe and then you have to bring them back in your luggage or have a friend you're standing and I think they can ship them here that's what I understood um so yeah I have a bunch of those but those last for a long time because I only use them for um for when I do clouds and sometimes at the beginning but more and more now just do everything with my brush as I go I just blend as I go and um yeah but hey I don't have many brushes I'm not the guy with like and they're all the same all my brushes are the same I buy box of hundreds and that's all I use and my brushes are dying pretty quick like I'm I'm usually like I said even a rosemary brush they last me like two days one day one brush one station of like seven hours and then I kind of clean it and in the morning I try to gain on my end it's not as good so I take a new one and because you're you know they're the shades better yeah so maybe I'm too rough with it I don't know it sounds like you're beating the crap out of your brushes man because I mix colors non-stop I spend so much time you know so I think they're they're just getting like a little curly and it's not good yeah there's nothing like a fresh brush though that that's that's that's true I'm excited you do something super important and you know it's gonna be like that one tail you have to have all the hair perfect you can't do that with a brush that was two two days old for me it needs to be new and and nice so yeah it's exciting to hear about your brush set coming out I'd love to check that out I gotta ask you I'm cringing and I know other people listening to to this are cringing already because they're like Tish don't ask them don't ask him have you ever used the Tish dagger before what is that dude it's my brush from Rosemary and Coke no I haven't I gotta have him send you one because that's uh that's that's a cool brush that's a cool brush and you could think of me while you're painting clouds you'd be like oh yeah this is actually a badass brush it's one of my favorites and um you know like like you like you having that back and forth process with them you know we had a long drawn out back and forth process of prototypes and they'd ship me something it takes a while being down here in New Zealand you know getting things back and forth but um it we ended up getting this thing that's like it was just such a nice nice brush to use in the end and I'm just like ah dang this is my favorite the small ones didn't work as well but there's like this middle range they're able to reproduce it over and over oh yeah yeah but this is the thing that I found with rosemary and Co like I'm sure you found as well is that you know that when you pick up that brush the consistency across the range you know what it's going to do and their their quality is just phenomenal it's incredible yeah I agree yeah I guess they gotta get it hold on we'll hook you up man we'll hook you up um let me ask you a little bit about just kind of a career because I I get this question all the time and Esteban has has asked this and um the question is you know if somebody's not studied arts and University what path should they follow you know there's so many options that are open to people nowadays especially youngsters kind of coming up and they want to be full-time artists but I still find that there's this this kind of locked in mentality where it's it's almost like this trajectory that people have had in their minds from 50 years ago it's like and then success but what what advice would you give to people that were you know just starting out their career should they go to art school should they study or should they kind of Forge their own path well yeah especially nowaday when there is so many possibilities to call yourself artists um I think the more you know the better you're gonna be and um you know it's like you know if you want to become a chiropractor uh you can decide to do the the two-month program that's going to teach you how to crack somebody and then you put your plate in your chiropractor or you can go to Medicine study for University you do three years they learn everything about human body or and then after five seven years you call yourself chiropractor imagine the difference of results for the client if you are being manipulated by somebody that did the two months program or somebody that studied for seven years and knows everything about human bodies and science it's different so it's actually the same for an artist you have to learn everything you can to widen your range of knowledge in order to perform and and do something that might be different because the key for career as an artist is to find something that speaks to you but also different than what everybody does and the more you're gonna swallow you know knowledge and and you know different artists and learning everything um the better you're gonna become and so again like we were talking with a about AI earlier on and I was like that's insane danger because you're like you know if you're young and you can like you say create a reference with AI but then if you don't know anything under that you don't have a structure it's like building the roof of a house without Foundation it's not gonna hold and um so I think every young artist should take this journey as a in the hard path like the heart of the past you make for yourself the better outcome you're gonna have and I know it's very difficult to think like that when you're 18 or 19 and it's time to you know get training um but it is a journey like I'm 45 and I started to make some good images like eight years ago you know I mean like before that I did a lot of things but to me when I looked back there I was still in training you know there was references in what I was doing you could see how this looks like that it's like he's influenced by this it was still waiting on me and then slowly you know you brush it off and then at some point in your career you become you and that takes a long time and um and you can't expect I know we're in a society where everything needs to be right away you know it's like Amazon type of thinking oh you want this no no no no I can't wait yeah you can't wait but you have to wait and you have to be patient you have to take the time to learn uh and work hard to get there because it's it's a very hard it's a very hard career to choose you know and if my daughter comes to me and say I I want to be an artist I'd be like all right wow you could try we you know we can give you all the chances you can and but there's no guarantee it's not like you know I want to become a doctor okay well you can become a doctor you do this in this that you study for 10 years and then you can be a doctor artists you don't know it's it's very abstract as you know and what does it mean that people are gonna buy your stuff that you're gonna make a living out of it we have no idea about that you can become a great artist that's one thing but then the career is different because career means yeah like you can make a living out of it and that's that's another story wow yeah absolutely and there's so many different paths to this as well and I see you know there's also the the the the the the range and the amount of success really does depend on how you're showing up and what you're putting into it right you know we we can see so many different examples you know you put in a little you get a little if anything out you put in a lot and you're just obsessed and you're on all the time you almost can't switch it off it seems like that's where the rewards exist you know I I've been asked by a few people you know personally just from people that thought it was an easy path and and like you're saying to your point you know if your daughter comes to you you know it's I I've imagined similar conversations with with my son years to come I hope he does become an artist though because I I just I I or not you might do the opposite struggle and he wants to a different life you know what I mean like they know when they're gonna take from us and you know exactly exactly quick now but he might come to me saying no I've seen what you've gone through that would suck I'm not doing that I know exactly that's what I'm saying it's like we're always like thinking of like what do we do blah blah blah or maybe they don't want to do that yeah and um but maybe they will maybe it's gonna be stronger than them so look you've reached this point mark and it's it's extraordinary and so so I I would really love to know and somebody has asked this as well from the academy what is it what is a typical day look like for you because I mean from the outside looking in and I'm sorry if I'm projecting here but it does look like you're dialed and you're locked in you seem obsessed about your art art creation but how does that typical day seem to flow for you on a typical day that you're painting how many hours you're putting in um well so during the day I'm working yeah pretty much from like 9 A.M to 6 p.m that's like the time I'm working but during the day you know I take my lunch break I cook my food you know I take even a nap after after lunch for 10 15 minutes powering up then at 3 P.M I go pick up my daughter in school that takes me like you know 20 minutes bring her back here and I go back in the studio and then yeah when it's next time my stomach usually regulate my day you know it's like six years still feeling okay it's time to think about dinner or we go places you know so um yeah I'm kind of regimented like that um I I wake up very early and do uh now I'm like doing long walks in the morning um I used to work out but I slowed down now with my back problems uh so I walk a lot this is a good time to meditate and you know do my like 40 minutes walk here in the park um so yeah and then get my daughter ready to school then take it to school then when I come back from pre you know just cool I I it's time when I start working um I uh I I listen to a lot of audiobooks that that's this very important part of my days um I used to listen to music when I painted but not anymore it's been four or five years now that I'm I'm listening to audiobooks yes I love that like really like you know I get into a book and then I kind of like it's it's a hand in hand type of Journey you know I'm painting but then I want to listen what's happening it's the kind of like very interesting because you're so lonely when you're playing that you kind of need something else you know it can't be just me Ah that's yeah that that's so interesting you've hit on a couple of really really interesting points here let me ask you first so what's on your what's on your reading list what's what are some of your favorite titles at the moment or right now yeah for for for your audiobooks oh yeah so I've been uh I've been um listening to can fall ads like this just after um I've I've listened to so many of his books and they're like epic books and it has you know he has um things that go by uh Trilogy or like you know they go by three or four books and they're all like 40 hours listen and uh and it's epic stories like one is like starts in like the Viking time and then the next book is the same family but 200 years later you know in like the beginning of the United Kingdom Empire blah blah and this is like that kind of stuff and um uh right now I'm listening to the whole thing um same it was an epic book but I'm not on the third one and it's uh it's happening in America in Russia and UK in the 60s so and everything is linked so I learned also a lot about it because this guy is super like on point with history and his stories are are fictional but they are linked with the real history so I kind of love it because I learned also a lot um so I've been kind of obsessed with this guy now for about more than a year like this during my whole show work I've listened to all his books um and uh yeah I also really like uh CJ box I've listened to the Joe Pickett you know all that stuff which is more like it's very different it's more like modern day Western stuff um and you know back in the days I've listened to you know submarine like all the Larry Mercury books and you know The Lonesome Dove series and all that I was I used to listen to a lot of Western stories you know that was and then I kind of went around a lot and I was needed other things and so now right now I'm on the Kent for that stuff uh but yeah you know and I listened to gun with the wind like recently uh because I you know I've seen the movie when I was younger and for some reason I don't know I was like oh I'll be just listen to the actual you know book and it's so great like I'm the same I've learned a lot about you know American history and stuff like the Civil War era and it's pretty cool fascinating yeah it's it's it was interesting to hear you say that um that art and and painting and creating your work it's it's a lonely thing it's it is a really lonely road being an artist you know I find that I'm I'm pretty much alone all day except for that those beautiful moments that I have with my family throughout the day where it's like again regulated by the stomach right hole it's lunch time I better sort that out you know but um I I really struggled with that in the beginning man like like just not seeing anybody and it really messed with my head until I got to to a to a maturity where I was just like no this is my path I I found personally I had to look at the benefits of that Solitude um so it's it's it's really interesting but it's it's like something had to click for me to go yeah okay embrace it now walk that path mm-hmm yeah I know exactly there is no other way around you know and um it's for me that's why I'm also I'm able now to take um I'm taking like two months off right now or going to France and Italy and I'm I'm not gonna paint for two months and see people and kind of like you know just be around do things whatever uh but it's important because I'm not it's gonna take a minute I know at the beginning I have anxieties like yesterday afternoon I spend the afternoon packing thinking of the departure and all that and I feel anxiety just not painting and I'm like it's been an hour I'm doing this like should I just go by the studio maybe like check things out I'm like no like you don't have any you know you know just do this right now it's fine it's your own time you know enjoy that moment of I was alone at home doing you know little things you know packing stuff blah blah but it's very difficult for me to surrender that you know you don't have to paint every freaking minute of your life you know it's it's not you know it's a very strange thing like what is it that that I'm trying to is there a hole somewhere that I need to like fill up and by working working working I know you know I go through anxieties I'm very stressed person because I'm like oh it's like this like super tense um and I think painting is is a time like when I kind of forget things yeah I would have like a tummy ache and then I start painting I forget I have a tummy again to make anymore because I'm painting and it's kind of a it's a crazy thing but yeah I think it's just like this is the way I am because I was put on that Earth maybe just do that yeah yeah I mean it is amazing how it kind of um just getting really engaged and present in your creative process you kind of drown things out I'll start painting it at the start of the day and then just at the end of the day kind of go where'd the day go what happened you know you'll see the progress up easel but it's like the time just flies when you're in that zone locked in you know I know and it's it's funny when we were living in Taos for two years with my my wife had a she had an artillery in town was that was linked to the store and so she would go in the morning and when we meet at the end of the day and she had done so many things see so many people had lunch with people met this people a whole thing and me nothing of it I I make some progress on the horse head you know that's my day all right you know I don't have much to talk about so that's why you need to feed yourself with other things books you know news the thing to kind of like keep it up having stuff to talk about because you don't see anybody so it's just like that that's one of the the things that people don't really think about when they're like oh you know painters laugh you know lucky or yeah I am but it's also yeah there's there's a hard part too where it is a long story so yeah so you know I I I'm really it's quite interesting to hear about your your forced to downtime as a way to kind of almost reset because that that must have been man it must have been such a high coming from that exhibition that you've had it to to now just go wow you know how do you reset after something like that so it's great to hear that you're going to be you're going to be doing a bit of traveling spending some family time seeing some people yeah well it's interesting because you know saying you have back problems and I have back problems for a long time it's been 10 years you know in and out but um recently it's been two two months I've been through really like hardcore things and I'm getting a little better now but um I it started like literally a week after the show and um instead of of being free and be like ah you know I had to plan a trip in New York with my brother and all and in the plane to New York it started to hit me and then I spent the worst freaking time I had to go get a shot and I couldn't move it feels like all the stress that I was kind of somehow managing even though it was inside of me when the thing was finished instead of feeling free and be happier cool you know it's kind of like my whole body took it in the back and like all right and it's like you know you did your last shot and then and then you die and so it was just very strange because yeah it hit me so hard and even though I was like trying to tell myself you know maybe it's in your head you know like it's just it was it you know my my buddy was done and uh and it I've been through so many hardcore phase for the past two months and uh so yeah I'm happy and I'll be able to sit in with you for an hour like I couldn't be there like that like like three weeks ago I couldn't see it have to like constantly move and start offices so anyway a long story short um I think that going now to Europe and I wish maybe I would have lived before but I just did another painting this month because I really wanted to do this painting that was supposed to be in my show but I didn't have time to do it so I I did it now um but now I'm ready to go and I think this this two-month in Europe are going to be good for that like you know reset and um being inspired with new ideas um also we're moving to Arizona after um when we come back we're leaving California and gonna live in Arizona so I'm super excited about that because I'm going to be close to all my Cowboys friends and I'll be able to you know go back to the subject a little more and and uh set up a lot of cool exciting things uh and getting ready for my next turn because that's kind of what's up there you know it's like thinking of the future already brilliant where's the next show happening when's that happening oh so I'm challenging my gallery and um we're gonna do a tour so you know I was I was in a rock band so I had this I'm like a Hennessy guy I need I need to move and um I had the idea of of making a tour and uh so it would be the idea would be to have um New York you know Chicago Austin Nashville Denver Phoenix you know do like every day and then maybe three or four days apart from each evening and we bring maybe 10 of the major work and we do we we pick a place you know maybe we rent a place or we you know work with a gallery or something but mostly we're renting a place put up the show people come you know they see the artworks people are interested in buying they can put their beads or their names if it's a draw or whatever and then we pack everything go in the bus next town and then we do that for a month and so everybody across the country can see the work in the flesh um and then at the end either in La orange got stay where the gallery is we do the actual final where we pick the names we do the auction like we did here but after a month of kind of like everywhere on the road where everybody's seen so it's gonna build up this like momentum of of you know excitement and um and I think it like you are exactly like you were saying before um the fact that you know people can see the work is very frustrating and and at my show even though a lot of people were uh flying in and we had I don't know how many people came there's a lot of people and uh and so to think that we can do that and people learn New York or Chicago or whatever they can see the painting it's great because we're gonna at the end of the day instead of one thousand people sing it maybe it'll be like 10 000 people in southern paintings so it's cooler and uh and it'd be exciting account like to always bring stuff that I was experiencing in my band in my painting life it's it's kind of cool so yeah that's right that might be 2026 yeah you're you're bad by the way uh is awesome I mean looking at some of the looking at some of the music videos um I was talking to my team about it and saying no you got to check out check this stuff out and um it's just so rocking so just so professional just so awesome it's a really catchy tunes on there as well I have no idea what you're singing because I don't speak French but uh it was just um yeah you're a talented guy man you're a talented guy let me ask you when when you when you first started this you know eight uh 10 years ago or did you have any idea that you would be where you are right now zero like zero literally any idea um yeah because I what happened is that I was in the band I had a life in France um I was doing okay I was directing music video you know but something in me was was not happy like I there was there was another dream that I wanted to to go after that that was not fulfilled and so yeah I want to turn yeah 33 34 that's when I came to America um with a dream of doing something else and for some reason instead of going up everything went down and so I went through divorce and uh you know music video business was stopped the band and yeah it's starting to it's starting to go down and I I really ended up my wife and I we were going through yeah hard times no money we freaking like we moved back to our mom in Arizona and so at this point it was like what did I do to survive it was not even like you know how to make a career and I know it's like how do we you know find money to eat and and pay the bill so painting was my last resort because I knew I had this skill in my toolbox that I could use and when I found out the subject of the Cowboys I decided to go at it because I something spoke to me that maybe I could do something and I was looking around and buying magazines and looking at art you know Western Art and I felt like maybe there was something I could do different so I just gave it a try desperate because I didn't know what else to do and and I was like whatever I'm gonna just paint that because I that speaks to me and I love to paint and I'm at a place in my life where there is nothing else I can do so I'm just gonna do that and I started this and then slowly you know starting selling this painting there and there and and it started bringing a little bit of money and it was super exciting enough to be like ah let's keep going and you know slowly and then the Instagram started building up and blah blah and then you know started piling up and and uh so yeah like eight years later when I did this show last month it's just it's crazy to like think that it went from there to there it's just incredible oh it's it's an incredible level you've reached um and so you would then consider yourself successful right this is this is this is Success right now yeah well I guess how do you define success how do you define that um I think it's sorry I'm just saying Chris again my bank um I think success is kind of it's a two it's a two-sided blade because um there is your personal success and then there's a success um that's gonna make you uh or survive in this world and be part of this world at a certain level um and that that really depends on your expectation from what you want from from this world in in some people will be like you know I have a piece of land and I live there my family that's my success and and maybe they don't make money but they're happy and that's key that's number one you know and then you compare to somebody who has a freaking mention of there on the heels and and has 20 cars but they're miserable and they do drugs and they're you know so then you don't want that kind of success because that's that's that doesn't mean anything so I think success is is a balance I think recognition from a large audience is is a good way to call it success because when when you do something that you think is good deep in your heart that you love and when you look at it you're proud and then you realize that other people likes it too and that brings you incomes well you can feed your family and be happy that's it you know that's I think that's success enough and of course there's this you know we're in the society when you're always more and you know like when I finish the show and I stole this painting for half a million dollars a lot of people came to me like next time I hope it's a million right and you're like sure but what do we even think about that you know and it's like that just happened it's insane and I'm not thinking oh I hope you know but that's what people do and somehow it's good you know you want to always push further that's human nature you you break the record of Sprints you know next Sprint will be faster but um it's to me I think I don't think about my next true I hope I'm gonna still need a painting for me a lot that's not what I think I think I hope next too I have better paintings because that's my problem that's my problem and that that's it like the money that's gonna go through it I don't care it's that's a secondary problem it comes after but the number one problem is the quality of the work and to me it's always how do I beat myself that's it and so that's going to be my work is like how do I create better image how do I like create things that are better I I love that it's really balancing the outward with the n-word and so you know that's something that I've been really exploring recently with myself you know asking myself like what what do I want what what are my goals and dreams and aspirations what is that version of success that I've been chasing and I've come to realize that it's actually an internal feeling of how you carry yourself through the day it's it's not it's not necessarily what it's who and as soon as I twigged on that I'm like oh okay I'm just gonna show up today and do my best and then when I put my head on the pillow at the end I know that I loved my people like I I really and I had some moments there that were just key where I was present that was such a thing because I was you know speaking of anxiety man like I was that anxious kind of hamster on the wheel gun Gotta Go Gotta Go Gotta get this done gotta get this done organize this do this and there oh what if that doesn't work what and just it's it really is a sort of a fear in a way that starts eating you from the inside but as soon as I'm like no no I'm just going to show up I'm going to focus on one thing at a time do my very best be present and then that I I love what you said as well it's like don't focus on that money part don't Focus like hey if it happens look it probably will happen but if if you're chasing it it seems like it it'll almost just lose its its luster in a way it's not working I mean yeah again as an artist um the everybody of course everybody is always looking for making a success making money it's it's the name of nature as well it's normal but it can't be what you're after because that is definitely not the right path and um you know if you're an artist and you know they're okay there's a path there there's a dirt road and it it cuts in three so there's one with an arrow it says money the other one with an arrows says work and one was like quality uh you have to choose where you go definitely don't go to the money realm because it's not gonna lead you to money you can just fall in a hole so I think you have to take the round of quality work then go through and then I'm sure it doesn't Point you're gonna meet the routes of the money you know it's because it's normal when it's good and everything flows and it's natural you know money comes and it's it's good but again it's not a finality you know it's uh it I was telling my wife like we're like we just bought this house and to me almost that's that was the goal of my whole life to like own a house with no debt no rent it's just that was it and I told her I was like if from now on everything stops like I don't you know sell paintings anymore and I have to like I don't care because we have a roof forever and that was it that's like I somehow deep inside accomplished something that was important for me to like yeah you know own something and so that's all that's my vision of yeah I'm happy I made it somehow I bought a house maybe people would laugh at that but to me it's very important because you know it means shelter for family no matter what's happening we have a roof and that's it so yeah yeah man that's that's incredible yeah and and I I I've got a similar goal as well it's it's important I don't think it's a little thing at all that's how you that's how you love your people is provide that for them yeah no exactly exactly man listen you you inspired the heck out of me bro you really do you you show me and I know you show thousands of other people you know what's possible when you've got your head straight and you're you're really focused on the right things you have a subject that you're passionate about and you just you don't miss and and I I'm just yeah I I look at your your work your your profile on social media and I was just there as I was I was watching that um that unfold just through you know what you were sharing with us on the socials just going yes man that's so cool because for me personally you you set that bar so high it's that point on the horizon and I'm like looking at it going all right I I actually need to dream a bit bigger and then lock in and focus on the day but it's it's just incredible so bro thank you for being you it takes that keep doing what you're doing it's awesome um but listen thank you so much for spending this time with me here thank you so much for being on the creative Endeavor well thank you so much for putting all that together and and keep you know bringing the messages out for everybody so cool and say hi to all your students for me I will well I really hope you've enjoyed this episode of the creative Endeavor podcast a huge shout out and thank you to mark majori for joining me if you're not already following Mark I hope you are now you'll find those links in the description down below to his Instagram and his website make sure you go and follow him there and I'd love to know what you thought of this episode of the creative Endeavor hit me up in those comments down below let me know if there are some takeaways here from you and what you think about some of the topics that we discussed here like AI now look I know this comes up time and again you're probably sick of it already but I'd love to know what you think is this a threat or is this an opportunity how do you see it so hit me up in those comments down below now of course if you want to come back and see more episodes of the podcast make sure you're subscribed to this channel click that Bell notification icon and of course you'll be the first to know when I drop another one of my oil painting or drawing demonstrations I upload plenty of those to this channel as well but I'm gonna get out of here and get back to painting thank you once again for joining me and I'll see you again in another episode episode of the creative endeavor

Channel: Andrew Tischler

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Id: j63D0xavBaQ

Length: 78min 53sec (4733 seconds)

Published: Thu Jun 08 2023