The Ontological Argument

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Who gets to define "maximally great"? Is the maximally great god of Iran or the maximally great god of Italy the real maximally great one?

If a dozen god claimants with magical super powers appear before you, each of them claiming to be maximally great because only he/she knows what maximal greatness is, how are you to choose?

What if the real magical maximally great entity chose to remain aloof from humans and never communicated with them? Then some lesser superpower might step in and claim to be maximally great and we would never know the difference.

I think I see why this argument isn't used much. It was poorly thought out to begin with.

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/August3 📅︎︎ Mar 07 2020 🗫︎ replies

Why must a maximally great being have those three particular attributes? They seem somewhat arbitrary. Why is it more "great" To exist in every possible world? Someone might see it as more great to exclusively exist in one possible world.

I don't see the maximally great being as any more intuitive than a maximally great pizza.

This does kind of worry me, because the "maximally great pizza" argument seems to be generally regarded as flawed, but I cannot see the problem with it.

👍︎︎ 2 👤︎︎ u/StrangelyShapedHead 📅︎︎ Jun 19 2020 🗫︎ replies
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In the year 1078 a monk named Anselm of Canterbury astonished the world by arguing that if it is even possible that God exists then it follows logically that God does exist. Anselm's argument came to be called the ontological argument, and it has sharply divided philosophers ever since. The 19th century German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer called it a charming joke, but many prominent twentieth century philosophers such as Charles Hartshorne, Norman Malcolm, and Alvin Plantinga think that it's sound. Here it is. God can be defined as a maximally great being. If something were greater than God, then that being would be God. And in order to be maximally great, a maximally great being would have to be all-powerful, all-knowing, and morally perfect in every possible world. Possible worlds are simply ways the world could have been. To say that something exists in a possible world is just to say that if the world were that way, then the thing would have existed. For example, even though unicorns don't exist in the actual world, it seems at least possible that they could have, so we can say that unicorns exist in some possible world. On the other hand, a married bachelor does not exist in any possible world because the idea of a married bachelor is logically incoherent. It could not possibly exist. So if it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then we can say that he exists in some possible world. But wait; a maximally great being would not really be maximally great if it existed in only some possible worlds. To be maximally great it has to be all-powerful, all-knowing, and morally perfect in every possible world. So think about it; if a maximally great being exists in any possible world, then it exists in every possible world, and if it exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world. That is, a maximally great being actually exists. Thus the atheist has to maintain not simply that God does not exist, but that it is impossible that God exists. Here's a summary of the ontological argument. Steps 2 through 6 are straightforward and largely uncontroversial, but what about point number 1? Clearly if it can be shown that the idea of a God is logically incoherent, then the argument fails, but is the idea of a maximally great being absurd, like a married bachelor or a square circle or the smell of blue? This doesn't seem to be the case. The notion of the all-powerful, all-knowing, morally perfect being that exists in every possible world seems to be a perfectly coherent idea. But couldn't we parody this argument and make it work for anything? Why not say it's logically possible that a maximally great pizza exists, therefore a maximally great pizza does exist? However the idea of a maximally great pizza is not like the idea of a maximally great being. In the first place, there aren't intrinsic maximal values that make pizzas great. There could always be one more pepperoni to increase its greatness. It's not even obvious what properties make a pizza great: thin crust or thick crust, extra cheese, anchovies? It's relative to the taste of the consumer. In the second place, a maximally great pizza would have to exist in every logical possible world, but that would mean that it couldn't be eaten, so it wouldn't really be a pizza because a pizza is something you can eat. The idea of a maximally great pizza turns out not to be a coherent idea. The idea of God, on the other hand, is an intuitively coherent idea. Therefore, his existence is a possibility. And the ontological argument shows that if God possibly exists, then God actually exists.
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Keywords: Philosophy (Field Of Study), Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz (Academic), Argument, William Lane Craig (Author), Reasonable Faith, Apologetics, Christianity (Religion), Atheism (Religion), God (Deity), Agnosticism (Religion), Richard Dawkins (Academic), Christopher Hitchens (Author), Does God Exist, Belief In God, Arguments for God, Universe, Jesus Christ, Religion, Ontological Argument, Ontology, Anselm, Alvin Plantinga, Reason, Faith, Possible Worlds, Greatest Being, Maximally Great
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Length: 4min 40sec (280 seconds)
Published: Tue Aug 16 2016
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