The New 2023 Nissan Z Is a Legend Revived

this is the new 2023 nissan z and it's the return of a legend the nissan z car which has been a staple in nissan's high performance lineup going back decades more than 50 years to the late 1960s early 1970s well now it's back the all-new z and today i'm going to review it [Music] before i get started be sure to check out cars and bins which is my enthusiast car auction website with free listings for sellers you can list your car for free and pay no fees and auction it on cars and bids and we've had some great sales recently including this mazda miata 30th anniversary edition sold for just under 37 000. this fantastic 2013 toyota land cruiser brought just under 50 000. and this wonderful mercedes amg gtr sold for over a hundred and sixty two thousand dollars if you're looking to buy or sell a cool enthusiast car from the modern era the 1980s and up cars and bids is the place to do it with daily auctions and great selection at carsandbins.com so let's talk nissan z like i said this car has been a fixture in nissan's performance lineup going back years decades even although it sort of comes and goes sometimes a z model will go away or be cancelled and it'll be years before a replacement emerges this one follows up on the 370z which went out of production a few years ago but now it's back and it's mostly new and on paper it's pretty appealing under the hood is a twin turbo v6 that makes 400 horsepower and it's mated to a six-speed manual transmission although a 9-speed automatic is also available and these are only offered in rear-wheel drive those are some of the makings of a great sports car so today i'm going to review the new z and find out just how great it really is first i'll take you on a thorough tour of the new zea and show you its quirks and features then i'll get it out on the road and drive it and then i'll give it a dug score all right i'm going to start the crooks and features the new nissan z with one important detail about the new z and that would be that it shares its platform with the old 370z now i mentioned this because toyota has told us that it doesn't make financial sense to develop a sports car by yourself which is why they used bmw as a partner for the new supra well nissan has done that but they've done it in part by sharing the platform with the outgoing model which came out back in 2009 so you got kind of an old platform here for the new z but while the new z shares its platform with the outgoing model virtually everything else is changed compared to the old 370z including the engine gone is nissan's beloved naturally aspirated v6 na engines are just too hard to get past fuel economy and emissions regulations anymore but instead we have something pretty special under here this is a twin turbo three liter v6 that makes 400 horsepower and 350 pound-feet of torque and it's standard in all new z models is it like the supra where there's a base model with a smaller four cylinder whatever all z's are getting this 400 horse twin turbo v6 now 400 horsepower is a pretty healthy number in fact it's about 50 to 70 horsepower more than the outgoing 370z model depending on which verse of the outgoing model you got so a big healthy power boost here now this engine is shared in the nissan world it's shared with the infiniti q50 and q60 red sport models they also have the same powertrain but one key difference is those vehicles are offered with rear-wheel drive or all-wheel drive the z is gonna be rear-wheel drive only just like you might expect from a sports car and the z is offered like i said six-speed manual transmission or a nine-speed automatic so you can get it either way you can still get your z with three petals but beyond the powertrain being new for the z the exterior styling is also completely new every panel changed the entire outside different and in my opinion very attractive i think the new z looks great elegant relatively simple without some extra unnecessary visual drama like some new cars have this one is simple restrained basic and frankly beautiful it looks like a very attractive sports car and the outside of this car is filled with heritage design details from prior z models in the front you primarily have the original z the old school datsun 240z which you can see in a few places up here for one nissan tells me the headlights there was a certain version of the 240z that had like a glass cover over the headlights and that caused the headlights to kind of look like they were being split into an oval shape which is what nissan tried to go for here with the running lights as you can see in kind of an oval above and below shape which is kind of an interesting throwback you also have a y shape on the hood you can see this line turns into two lines making a y as sort of a power bulge on the hood which is also a throwback to the original 240z but the most obvious original 240z design detail up here is the front grille a large rectangular piece just like a lot of early z models had this one carries on the tradition as well now when the prototype version of this new z was revealed a few years ago that front end design was just a big black grill and it got some harsh criticism so nissan toned it down you can see these little silver kind of rectangles within the grill they're meant to make this big grill look a little less severe it kind of toned down the visual impact of having a big black rectangle in front of the car but the overall design of this grill is a retro throwback to the 240z but anyway next up moving on to the side of this car some other exterior design touches worth pointing out one of which is the door handle you can see kind of a vertical upright and very distinctive door handle this is a throwback to a different nissan z model and that would be the z33 version which debuted back in 2003. it also had a very distinctive vertical door handle and we're seeing that carried over to this version as well a retro throwback to something from the early 2000s also interesting on the side of this car you can see a two-tone design the body is obviously blue but the roof is black these are going to be offered as full body color or you can opt for this two-tone design although if you do the roof part is always black there's no other colors you can deviate the roof you will also see this large chrome trim going down the side right below the roof the entire side of the car has it looks cool adds some visual excitement but it kind of disappears near the end of the car and creates sort of a weird situation back here where the black two-tone part meets the blue paint part and they don't really have a defined separation on the tailgate lid it feels like kind of an unfinished design detail on this car also unusual on the outside of the new z is the fuel door which is absolutely massive you can see it here nissan told me the designers were actually kind of proud of getting this fuel door to have several different surface creases and made it work but i just think it's massive maybe unnecessarily large and frankly it looks a little weird but those are minor design details that look a little strange and an overall car that i really do think looks great but anyway next we move around to the back of the new z and you'll see yet another design detail borrowed from yet another different nissan z car and that would be the tail lights you can see these sort of horizontal lines back here a very distinctive tail light look and that's borrowed from the z32 nissan 300zx from the mid 90s you can see the z32s tail lights here also these horizontal lines and they've brought it back for this new z car and again very distinctive now the way these operate are interesting when you turn on the headlights the tail lights light up as these large vertical ovals inside the tail light assembly when you put on the brake lights they turn on inside the large vertical ovals which looks kind of cool and the turn signal is bright orange and below all of that just sort of a flat vertical piece at the base of this taillight assembly now interestingly the little red ovals on the inside of the taillight assembly don't do anything these are just reflectors they don't really have a purpose they don't light up but they do help kind of further the look of this overall tail light kind of mimicking what you had in the z32 now another notable item back here is the rear spoiler you will see it here and that's because this is a z performance model they're going to be two trims of the new z the base model is called the z sport and the upgraded model this one is called the z performance the z sport will start right at forty thousand dollars before shipping so maybe around 41 after shipping the z performance this model will start right at 50 000 before shipping so like 51 with destination included and there are some upgrades to the z performance on the outside one is the rear spoiler which the base model doesn't have you can see an unspoilered sport model here you also have a front spoiler that's included in the z performance so it's not included in this particular car so we can get on and off trucks for transport more easily but it will be included in the performance the performance also comes with 19-inch wheels you can see here these are the standard wheels and the z performance whereas the sport comes with 18-inch wheels as you can see right here different wheel design and smaller wheels overall and fitting behind those wheels the z performance has larger brakes not much larger but about an inch bigger in front and a little less than that in bags so a little larger brakes than the performance for a little better stopping power but anyway back to the rear of this car a couple things worth noting back here this rear diffuser this is on all models the sport and the performance and it looks good and sporty and exciting and it includes the dual exhausts as you can see and in fact you can even see these little holes on the rim of the exhaust which looks cool that's borrowed from the q60 and q50 red sport they have the same exhaust tips unfortunately this powertrain doesn't quite sound as good as the old naturally aspirated engine take a listen now another notable item back here is badging you can see z is printed on the back of this car and that is in fact its name there was some speculation nissan was going to call it the 400z the prior one was the 370z the 350z the 300zx well that's all gone the numbers are gone it's just z that's what they're calling it that's what the badge says and that is its only name one other thing worth pointing out with the badge every previous z has had sort of a distinctive z font this car doesn't instead it uses the original font from the original 240z so kind of a heritage font in here one other heritage item in the back you can see subtly printed at the bottom of the rear glass the words since 1969. that's there because the z originally went into production in late 1969 as a 1970 model and this car carries forward the tradition hence this little kind of easter egg written into the bottom of the glass that you may not notice except that i pointed it out to you now also worth pointing out about this rear glass situation is the way that it opens which is kind of clever you don't have some ugly trunk popper instead you reach into the bottom half of the nissan logo as you can see here you reach in press it and then it pops open and you can open it the rest of the way from there which would be exceptionally cool a neat way to clean up the rear of the car except for the fact that you do have a backup camera sticking out here next to the nissan logo so they could have integrated that into the nissan logo but instead they did the trunk popper either way something had to stick out which is kind of unfortunate but when you open up the tailgate and the new z you can see the cargo area and there's really nothing of note back here it's pretty much just a cargo area nothing weird interesting exciting you do have a big crossbar going directly behind the seats obviously that's for increased rigidity and better handling and track performance but otherwise it's pretty much just a cargo area nissan tells me that cargo space is unchanged from the outgoing 370z now one thing you can notice from back here is the fact that this car only has two seats which has been pretty standard fare in nissan z models for years now but some prior z's did have back seats well this one doesn't but you do have a little bit of storage behind the front seats as you can see here for a little added practicality if there's some stuff that won't fit in your cargo area but anyway next up we climb inside the new z and one of the things you'll notice if you're familiar with the prior model is there's kind of an interesting mix of new and old in here there's some carryover pieces in this interior that come straight out of the old car for example the parking brake is borrowed from the old cars same with the center switch gear these heated seat buttons and this tailgate button as you can see also the climate controls come out of the old car these circle climate controls with buttons in the center they're lifted straight out of the old 370z model and z enthusiasts will note that same deal with the stocks coming off the steering column turn signal and wiper stock borrowed straight from the old z and same deal with the switch gear on the door panel the power windows the mirrors the lock button all that stuff is off the old z in fact nissan tells me that the door panel in general is pretty much lifted entirely from the old z although it has some new trim in the center this material in here is a little bit different from what you had in the old car a little bit nicer and classier but you will see the same door handle and the same door mounted climate control vent just like you had in the old 370z models now this might be disappointing to some enthusiasts who aren't happy to see some carryover materials switches and other items in this interior from the old z which was already getting criticism for being pretty outdated and now its stuff continues on but it's important to point out again that this carryover is part of what allowed nissan to develop this car and kind of lower the cost and make it financially feasible to create a new z and it's also worth pointing out there is a good bit of new stuff in this interior for example the steering wheel is completely new unique to this car not used in other nissan models and totally new for the z you can see it has a lot of different steering wheel controls on both spokes next to the driver's thumbs very easy to use and nissan told me inspired by the steering wheel in the original r32 nissan skyline gtr now directly above the steering wheel you can see a gauge cluster screen which is shared with other nissan models but new for the z and it has some pretty cool features for one thing full color very high resolution it's a good gauge cluster display system and it's quite configurable you can change the center panel to show you all sorts of different things from vehicle information to music information to navigation stuff there's a lot of good info on the screen and you can see it in various different ways and i especially like how you can change this gauge cluster screen to show slightly different display modes this is the standard motor it looks like a fairly normal gauge cluster but you can also put it in an enhanced mode and then your speed and engine speed kind of gets small and they're pushed over to the side so whatever your center display screen shows can be maximized which is kind of cool cooler still though is the sport mode for this gauge cluster you go into sport mode and then you can see it here and now it focuses on gauges you have your tachometer in the center and other gauges on the side and the configurable part becomes the screen on the left which now shows like sport and performance data you can't see your music information here your phone your navigation but you have g forces and other performance information on the screen all of which is pretty cool one drawback i will point out though about this screen you can't see a full screen navigation map unless you're actively navigating somewhere so you can't just have the map showing up on the screen unless it's taking you to a direction which i find to be kind of disappointing now something very interesting about this car i just showed you the gauge cluster screen in its different modes and usually in most cars the gauge screen changes are linked to drive modes but in this new z if you get the manual transmission there are no drive modes and that means no sport mode no eco mode no comfort mode you can't choose between any of that you can if you get the automatic transmission but if you choose the manual nissan says they feel they've equipped it in a sporty way and so you can't change drive modes which is unusual i can't remember the last modern performance car i got into that didn't let you switch drive modes but this one doesn't kind of an interesting play from nissan you do have one button next to the gear lever that says s mode with kind of a picture of a gear pattern on it that doesn't actually change the modes but instead it turns on the automatic rev matching downshift feature so if you have that on you'll downshift and then the car will automatically rev-match for you which is a nice feature to have and it works well in this car now obviously this feature is only available with the manual transmission which this car has and you can see it here in the center a six-speed manual looks good right where you'd expect it and i'll cover exactly how it shifts and feels when i get this car out on the road later but also worth pointing out here in the center is the infotainment system this is nissan's latest infotainment it's been in a few other cars i recently reviewed the new nissan pathfinder with this system and i went into a little bit more depth in that video i'll link it below so you can check it out but the basics are the system is fine it's good enough it works reasonably well relatively responsive pretty intuitive and i do like the hard buttons at the base of the screen that allow you to go to different places without having to tap the screen you have these always there and you can always rely on them one interesting drawback of this infotainment system though is there's no home screen virtually all rivals have a home screen that'll show you like a few different panels at once the weather for example the music you're listening to and the navigation all in one this card doesn't have that you have to kind of choose a tab that you're on and then that's what you're seeing so you can't see different views at once nor do you have sort of a general overall home screen which is kind of unusual one cool feature though with this car and the map if you have it go to a navigation destination you can actually pull up the google street view of that destination from your car and you can kind of check it out on this screen before you arrive that way you can see like what the parking situation looks like or exactly where you're supposed to pull in that sort of thing all in the center screen which is actually a pretty cool idea that i wish more cars integrated with that said although that is a pretty cool feature a big drawback to this infotainment screen the camera is absolutely atrocious this is the rear view camera the resolution is terrible it looks awful this is clearly a carryover from the previous z model and it is nowhere near as good as most cameras used by rival cars this car also doesn't have any additional camera angle so there's no like surround view 360 top-down camera you don't get any of that stuff and in fact the new z is kind of lacking in general in driver aids you do get adaptive cruise control which is nice and a lane departure warning system and a blind spot alert but there's no driver assist so no like automatic steering or anything like that in this car that's not that big of a deal most sports cars are pretty much like that but worth pointing out with the bad camera also comes sort of a lesser amount of driver aids in case you were hoping to have that but anyway beyond the tech in this interior moving on to some other interesting quirks and features in here one notable item is the cup holder situation in the center console you have a cup holder as you can see but if you pull back this center armrest you will note a second cup holder appears and you can also open the center armrest from there or you can pull the armrest forward it becomes more of a usable armrest and you can also open it from there so it's kind of a clever trick to hide a second cup holder in case you don't need it under that center armrest lid and speaking of hiding stuff nissan told me there is a 12 volt outlet in this car but not where you'd expect in the center stack you have usb-a and usb-c no 12-volt to be found instead that's in the passenger footwell so you can plug in a radar detector down there and then run the cord up to the side of the windshield on the passenger side so it won't get in the driver's way nissan told me they put it there intentionally for that purpose as evidence that they know their customers well and as more evidence of this nissan also told me that the traction control off button is here to the left of the steering wheel and very prominent so you can turn off traction control and in the same breath while telling me that they know their customers well and so they have this button so prominent they also reminded me that they don't have an electronic parking brake there's still a manual pull it yourself parking brake and they mention that at the same time as the traction control button which really does show how well nissan knows their customers now couple of other things to point out in this interior one the three gauges at the top of the dashboard this is sort of a heritage thing for nissan other z models have had it and this one does too and this time the gauges are kind of interesting on the left you have a turbo boost gauge since this car is turbocharged in the center you have a turbo speed gauge which actually shows you the speed at which the turbine and then the turbocharger is rotating and that is a pretty cool idea you don't see that in other cars and it's neat to have unfortunately the third gauge is kind of a cop out it's the battery volt meter which i think is kind of hilarious you got your sport gauges that show you the turbo stuff and also your battery voltage nothing too performancy about that but they wanted to have three actual useful gauges up here and so they do also worth noting talking about this interior it's important to point out that a blue one is available i don't mean a blue z which this is i mean a blue interior and i don't mean dark blue i mean bright blue interior is offered if you want to as you can see it really is bright and blue and bright blue and you could have that if you choose obviously this interior is more restrained with sort of the standard black but blue is offered along with a couple of other more traditional colors now since i'm in this interior it's worth pointing out some of the other items that the z performance model adds that the base z sport model doesn't get in this interior one is that rev matching feature i showed you before you can get a z sport with a manual transmission but rev-matching is not offered on that base model only in the performance and by the way if you choose an automatic performance model then instead of rev-matching your transmission upgrade is revise shift paddles which are inspired by the ones in the nissan gtr the performance gets like more exciting gtrs shift pedals than what you get in the base model next up another big upgrade in this interior for the performance compared to the standard sport is the seats the performance has leather seats as you can see here and heated seats which aren't in the base model and you get power seats if you get the performance these seats are power move back and forward the sport model still has manually operated seats so some big seat upgrades in here another big upgrade for the performance is the center infotainment screen nine inch screen in the performance as opposed to an eight inch screen in the base sport model and it's worth pointing out the performance even has some more features in the infotainment screen including a navigation system the sport doesn't offer nav but that is included in the performance although most drivers won't find it really all that important anyway since all z's come standard with apple carplay and android auto but if you want a built-in navigation system you gotta get the performance and one other performance benefit is the sound system this has a bose sound system which is an upgrade over the performance model's standard unbranded sound system so your music will sound nicer if you choose the performance now it is worth pointing out that technically when this car launches it will offer a third trim level which is called the z proto and that's intended to commemorate the original prototype version of this car which came out a few years ago the z proto but that version is limited to 240 units all of which have already sold out so it's not really available but just in case you're curious about it it starts around 53 000 before shipping so like 54 with destination and it includes some cool cosmetic upgrades compared to a performance model for instance you get bronze wheels if you get the proto and you get yellow brake calipers which are kind of cool the proto also has a lot of different yellow accents in the interior like yellow stitching a yellow trim shift knob yellow trim seats that sort of thing and the proto models will have a special plaque identifying them as one of the 240 units of the z proto but aside from that version which is already sold out you basically only have the sport at 40 grand and the performance at 50. and since i'm talking about pricing let's talk supra which is obviously the thing that everybody is going to compare this car against and i gotta say on paper at least it presents a pretty compelling alternative i say that because like i mentioned the new z starts at 40 grand before a destination so you figure maybe about 41 41.5 with shipping well the supra starts at 44 with shipping and that's for the base four cylinder model which only has 260 horsepower the z comes standard with this 400 horse twin turbo v6 for less money than a base supra which is pretty impressive now if you upgrade to the z performance starts around fifty thousand dollars like i said figure 5152 is shipping well the six cylinder supra model starts around 53 000 with shipping so even then the z performance undercuts the six cylinder supra and z has more power once again 400 horses in the z compared to 380 in the supra now the supra is definitely nicer inside i was just in the supra last week and because of its bmw tie-in it has a nicer interior no question about it certainly has better tech and better materials so the z performance and the super are going to be pretty close competitors some will choose the z save a little money get a little power but you could see people choosing the supra instead to go for the nicer interior and not sacrifice too much for power or price however you got to assume that the base model z has just killed the base model supra why would anyone spend more for a supra get forced into an automatic transmission and lose 140 horsepower over this car i strongly suspect it's just not going to happen so bye bye four cylinder supra the new z is here but all of this of course is conjecture based on numbers and pricing and power figures on paper the real question of course is how does it drive this compared to the supra and overall so with that in mind those were the crux and features of the new nissan z now it's time to get it out on the road and see how it drives all right driving the new z i have been very excited about this ever since they showed the prototype which was a while ago i don't remember maybe a year and a half two years uh and here we are driving the newsie this thing is long awaited and on paper it seems so desirable i was just in a new supra um also an amazing car but it has some drawbacks especially when it came out it was automatic only 330 horsepower this car seems and frankly it looks a little weird whether or not you like it it certainly splits opinions this car seems to solve all those problems got more power it's got a manual transmission and it looks really nice i haven't really heard any complaints about the new z's styling except for that front grille which they have kind of made look a little bit more normal by adding the little gray rectangles to it so let's talk about how this card drives there are a few benefits and a few drawbacks which i've noticed let's start with those benefits one is the power this car feels legitimately seriously quick it is a great powertrain and i see this as someone who actually really liked the old powertrain in the old car didn't like the old car all that much uh for other reasons primarily because it was so outdated but i really did like that old v6 it was simple it it made sense there was no forced induction that messed up the revving and made it like spotty it just was an easy and good powertrain and this car is even better this twin turbo v6 is fantastic you get power at the low end you get power at the high end it's a good engine in the q60 and the q50 red sport but it feels like it belongs in this car for some reason it really feels great it's fast it's exciting and it really is fast and exciting at all rpms as long as you're in the right gear downshift to second here and take off oh this car is just playing fast nissan says they don't quote a 0-60 time they leave that for the journalists but i can tell you from a butt dyno perspective this feels faster than the supra and then there's the handling this car is very impressive it is very quick to go around corners it steals steers well very predictable steering reasonably light not incredibly like heavy which i kind of prefer a heavier steering but the steering is good it's precise and more importantly the car handles well it really corners quite well it is flat it feels fantastic in corners very predictable and it feels small in corners this car is five inches longer than the outgoing car nissan told me but it feels small it feels tight and it feels very tossable and you get that feeling whenever you're steering and handling the car and kind of pushing it so where are the drawbacks with this car there are two of them that i can tell that are pretty clear to me from driving the car number one is unquestionably the sound the sound has been a characteristic benefit of these nissan z cars since 2003 with that big 3.5 liter engine that just sounded cool they tuned the exhaust to make it sound exciting well this car's lost that and actually the sound not only is it not great but i don't even think it's all that good it doesn't even sound like a performance car when you wring it out it sounds like you're revving up like a guy flooring it in a v6 camry because he's mad in traffic you know that's kind of what it sounds like in this car and it's disappointing uh this car will definitely be right for tuners to put exhausts on i have absolutely no doubt most people are going to go that direction and i think that's the right move unfortunately the other drawback for this car is the manual transmission gear shift action situation it's good but it's not great nissan told me that they increased the weight of the shift knob by about 25 to make it heavier which contributes to like a better feel when you're changing gears but to me it's still too light it's also too rubbery too notchy just a little bit too vague going through the gears i'm not a big fan of that but that's not the biggest problem the biggest problem is the clutch which feels very notchy very springy i don't like a springy clutch i don't like one that's really pushing back against you especially pushing back for part of the travel and then not as much for the remainder of the travel it's just not really an ideal clutch pedal travel situation i will say i've been driving this car around now for a couple of hours and i've gotten really used to the collection shift direction and it's it's not like bad and it's not problematic when i first got in the car i was a little disappointed but over time i've gotten used to it however it still isn't great it's not as good as some rivals are and it's not as good as it could be now of course i benchmark brands like porsche and that sort of thing and you're not gonna quite get there on a nissan but it would be nice to do a little bit better than this um just a slightly better more weighted gear lever with feels a little bit tighter and a less springy clutch that kind of pushes back on your foot but those are really my only complaints and they're kind of less important things to the main stuff which is this car is fast and it handles well that's what people are looking for sports cars i also happen to like how this car looks the technology is fine it's okay the interior materials are fine they're okay a lot of stuff borrowed from the old car but whatever this car is still fast it's still fun and most importantly it's kind of a bargain and i'm very curious to drive the manual supra and see how that compares to this but this car has some real benefits over that more power lower price and frankly i think it looks better um starting off with a real z advantage there over the supra and so that's the new 2023 nissan z this car has some great benefits there's a lot to like here including attractive styling some nice new technology a good driving experience and that manual transmission and i think this car is pretty clearly one of the more desirable relatively affordable sports cars on the market and now it's time to give the new z a doug score and the doug score is here 62 out of 100 which ties the z with the latest six cylinder toyota supra automatic there's a lot to like about the z if you're an enthusiast it handles well it's really fast it looks great and in those areas the z easily beats out serious competition like the supra the bmw m240i and others the z's weak points are in the daily categories where technology and quality are fine but not impressive and of course practicality suffers since it's a two-seater without huge cargo room but if you want a great new sports car at a reasonable price the z delivers surprisingly well [Music]

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Length: 33min 24sec (2004 seconds)

Published: Mon May 16 2022

Reddit Comments

[u/djcaution]

Don’t see too many people talking about this, but the 370z NISMO actually started around the $40k range too. Adjusting for inflation, $50k isn’t a big jump in price although I agree it is on the expensive end.

I think these cars will still be pretty hot in the used market a few years down the line but there is a lot of competition for sports cars in the $40-50k range.

[u/jacksonfire13]

Are Doug’s arms controlled by a marionette?

[u/Ckynus]

I hope I am wrong but I have a bad feeling the 40k version exists only to say there is a 40k starting price. However I gather they don't expect people to buy that one and it will be hard to find.

[u/xJ4YxJ4Yx]

I just realized, will there be a convertible version of the new z

[u/reptilephantom]

I'm still absolutely in love with the looks of this car but 50k is a lot to ask for something that's this outdated. 50k will get you an M2, a C7 corvette, fully loaded mustang/camaro, cayman, the new supra.

I'm not sure how it compares to any of those cars, I may still pick one up but it's not an instant sale like I was hoping.

[u/cyribis]

$50k and the interior still looks kinda cheap, backup camera is dated, plus no a/c vented seats? C'mon! At least there is a second console cup holder so my wife will be happy about that I reckon lol

I'm on my second Z car (previous was 2007 350z & current is 2013 370z) and was really looking forward to upgrading to the new Z. But, I just don't know.

I do like the manual transmission and twin turbo though. I think Doug is right that this basically means the end of the base Supra.

[u/xDUMPWEEDx]

$50k car with $10k dealership markup. $65k+ OTD.

This thing is DOA.

[u/molo1605]

Nice car, but still feel they priced it a little too high.

[u/CuzImAtWork]

So there's no way to turn off the nannies on the 6MT version? TCS and stability control are always on with no way to turn them off?

That's what Doug implies, and that's news to me. Can anyone confirm?