The Mystical Experience - In Sufism, Judaism and Christianity

[Music] throughout history and in virtually all cultures there have been people who have had a mystical experience Christian cultures call it an epiphany the Japanese regarded as Satori but what really is a mystical experience today we've invited three guests from different faiths who have spent their lives trying to discover a way to describe the indescribable Madelyn Baron has been initiated as a naqshbandi sufi Lynne is a practicing mystic who teaches widely and leads a Sufi community in Southern California Jonathon Oberman is a Jewish rabbi teacher and writer who helped create the Institute for Jewish spirituality brother David's tundle rust has been a Benedictine monk for over 50 years living for extended periods of time and total silence and contemplation welcome to a truly unique conversation the mystical experience welcome all of you to global spirit first I want to express my deep gratitude for all of you agreeing together with us to explore this timeless phenomena of what's been called mystical experience brother David I'd like to begin with you I know you you've spent your life in solitude and prayer on the spiritual path can you describe what that life has been like and also the influence that studying other religions has had on your own faith well I have been a Benedictine monk now for 56 years and in that time I've had many different experiences of author of other religions originally I was perfectly happy in my own monastery and my own tradition and I still AM but after being in the monastery for about 12 years I was sent out to have dialogue with Buddhist Zen Buddhist monks who had come to the states at that time and then I spent several years actually as it turned out in training with Buddhist monks and so that has influenced my spiritual life very much but I came to discover that what's in the center of the Zen tradition which is silence really wordless silence and presence in the now is also at the center of our own Benedictine tradition so it wasn't something new it's just the emphasis is different in our tradition there's more emphasis on the word and there's more emphasis on the silence Thank You Madeleine you've been described as an unlikely candidate for mystical experience can you tell us why you are unlikely and what your background was that brought you to this threshold well I was actually I didn't have what you would call formal training I had an interest in the truth and I studied a metaphysics for many years and didn't really know anything about the idea of the mystical dimension of any tradition whatsoever but in metaphysics because you're looking for the truth that is behind everything and because you're allowed to use all scriptures holy books you're kind of dipping into what I call this stream of consciousness that has been going on since the beginning and so it was quite easy for me to see the truth in a way that wasn't just within one religion but I had a life like everyone else I worked I went to school did difference so it I didn't even know that what happened to me was even a possibility so it was a surprise to say the least Jonathan as a Jewish rabbi you come from a vast and profoundly deep history of mysticism in the Judaic tradition and yet you've also struck out on a unique path because you've been studying Sufism can you describe your relationship to mysticism well the Jewish tradition is even though mr. causes of householders and that is we maintain interest in enlarged ranges of interest including earning a living well we're on our path you know mysticism and the Jewish tradition is regarded as opposed to Kabul Adi kind of exulte Eric's studies Israel is rather private and thus Gration of reticence about what you call the mystical experience it's acknowledged but the confessional discussion of it never is I know in my in my classes I I've always discouraged people from talking about their experiences because as long as it becomes competitive or show I show off and so for myself I know what it's about and I can describe it obliquely but not explicitly thank you brother David can you give us a sum of the background in the Christian tradition of mysticism I think if we want to speak about the mystic experience we should first say just exactly what we mean by it and I think one could say it's an experience first of all that's important that you're not just thinking about it or reading about it but that it's something that you personally experience and it is an experience of oneness basically of being in the present and being truly yourself and being one with or limitless one this limitless belonging and that is what I mean when I speak about the mystic experience and in the Christian tradition that is triggered by if you speak now the language of the tradition by God speaking to you God speaks that is one of the central insights of the whole barber God speaks so this is the deep inside but God doesn't speak as a whisper in our ears or something like that but the idea is that everything everything every person every situation is a Word of God that is addressed to you and that would be some of the core of Christian experience that God speaks to you through someone something or in some particular situation the to me through music through nature sometimes through people less so Jonathan I see you nodding vigorously as brother David is speaking so does this make sense to you oh absolutely the idea of God speaking I describe in a slightly different way that I can look up my path as beckoning more than a quest from within it's a beckoning towards and inviting and much of the work is a work of discrimination when the beckoning isn't really the divine beckoning but my projection onto other objects other idolatrous seductions and and so it's very important to be for me to be discriminating in listening to the beckoning and to be cautious about the experiences experiences for my understanding are not in themselves truth their science their pointers and nothing to hold on to if that makes sense yes it does limb does it feel like a summons are beckoning to you from your experience there's a practice that I do with my students it's a prayer it's a series of prayers actually in the first one is yeah Adi open our hearts that we may hear thy voice that constantly cometh from within and so they actually sit in meditation with this and we all drop together into the heart and this meditation that I do with people it's called maraca ba and it's a watchful waiting state because it it isn't like you said someone isn't whispering in your ear but somewhere something is being revealed to you and you know it in your heart it's a different way of knowing than you have in your mind and it's such a direct communication and it's transforming would you say it is simply the experience of a presence that you mean yes yes and you meet the presence mediated through something or someone or some situation yeah so it like I said with my students we actually do a practice to start this process and then you know there's three other steps to it but the first one is is you you have to have the awareness that this is a potential or a possibility for you because a lot of people don't think that it is Jonathan is this word presence important to you oh absolutely the presences is often veiled and much of our work is in the attempt to turn the veils that conceal and to veils that reveal the divine isn't every piece of bread but beyond our possible comprehension so it is available and you can see the divine shimmering within it with the contemplation on doing the blessing beautiful I like your emphasis on blessing blessing is such an important word for me to be the blessing comes alive everything is blessing everything is blessing since the Gosling says everything is Grace that means everything is blessing so at every moment we receive blessing but the have to pass it on so that it comes really alive the religion historian his'n Smith has written as other scholars have that our major religions have actually been founded on mystical experience if you look at the lives of Moses Mohammed and Jesus with their revelations their epiphanies how does that happen yes but Moses had the experience of the ineffable but the burning bush almost worthless and then he was told go out into the world liberate your people and by the way his response was who me and God said yes you so it is the experience immediately translated into action sometimes even to political action then Prophet Muhammad had to go to Mecca and to start organizing the tribes implicating and removing the idols so it is it is both mystical but immediately translate unless it big this remains a private experience it is translated into him a social sometimes political reality that's wonderful brother Deva you speak to the active aspect of mysticism yes I think that is the main difference between the run-of-the-mill of us and the great mystics whom we so admire we shouldn't put them up on a pedestal as if they were a different kind of people the mystic is not a different kind of human being but every human being is a different kind of mystic and we ought to become the kind of mystic who we are but Abraham Maslow already explored what makes human beings particularly creative particularly resilient what makes great people and came to the conclusion to his own greatest surprise that it was mystic experience and he actually wrote about it and in late in psychological literature I didn't sit sober also he changed the term from mystic experience to peak experience because it's a peak of consciousness but to the end of his life he insisted that what he called peak experience was indistinguishable from what the great mystics called mystic experience or what we call mystic experience in the religious context and the difference is that the great mystics allowed this experience to flow into their lives to inform their lives who live accordingly and and many of us suppress it or forget it or don't take it seriously or whatever we do with it because we feel that we need to keep everything under control and the mystic experience if it is anything is a moment in which nothing is under control saint bernard of clairvaux says what we can grasp and control in that sense make difference knowledge but what grabs us gives us wisdom and and the mystic experience is something that grabs us takes hold of us in contrast when the autobiographies of great mystics don't they often describe this experience is quite rare in their lifetimes bumpa should say that once would be enough for a lifetime so it isn't a matter of every day but it's something that remains within one yes very much however one can also reach a certain plateau and then the peaks are not so high anymore they are not so noticeable anymore and everything can become occasion for experience the presence and experience the wonders as you said through the blessings of everything everyday should really be a little mystic experience and I think you will agree absolutely absolutely so what is it that we are longing for is it as it a taste of the timeless says an encounter with the divine what are we longing for home how home I knew I was going home and I didn't care what I had to do I had to get home and I used absolutely everything in my everyday life to get me home that's beautifully expressed music builds conversations with people absolutely everything was the teacher for me but it had a direction I had a destination and I wanted it to be a straight path I was not interested in the distraction so I sat places for really a long time until I was told you need to move and there's someone over here that can offer you a little bit more for where you are now in your unfoldment and I was usually released from this in order to move over there but it was all about getting home does the word home speak to you Jonathan oh very much the beckoning is home but home has many many levels there is home at the moment there is home and in wholeness the whole month of completion the home that you have to finish all your your business you know God sent the Abram leave your home lowercase to a place that I shall show you leave all your family connections leave all your expertise leave everything behind go to a place to the unknown which is the true home yes belonging this is also one of the word longing to belong home is where we belong yeah yes Elliot says in the for cadets we shall not cease from exploration and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started from and know the place for the first time Dinah's home and saying the Gosselin says restless is our heart until it rests in you or God but we should not mistake that as if we knew already who God is and so we know we are restless until we know all we know from experience is our restlessness and it points in a direction and it is as if sending us and telling us what he means when he uses the word god it's that - towards which are our longing points it's a direction all of them something or somebody and then we discover that we can't have a relationship to that towards which we are going in the Talmud there's that magnificent line God wants at the heart so if we're feeling as longing is it possible that we are feeling God's longing for us to come home yes I kept having a sense of someone come to me come to me come to me come to me and it was staying the light it's the way staying and so wherever that light was and so there was this and then at some point of arrival I was it was like almost like a little giggle or something huh you finally made it it's been a long journey does everybody have this urge at one time or another in their life or do certain people feel it just much more strongly than others I always had it ever since I can remember so I don't know about other people though did oh I don't know about other people I've always had it master says every human being has these peak experiences somewhere sometime or other so that would point in the direction that everybody has this longing to belong but how it expresses itself will be very from person to person something that we've tried to encourage and emphasize on our show global spirit has been people describing their own personal experience a moment of transcendence peak experience in epiphany brother David well as an example I would say but you can only describe the outside when I was a student one morning I was eating breakfast and the radio was praying and played gooks dancing the Blessed spirits and I was just gone I think I had the piece of bread sort of halfway to my mouth and and there it stayed I don't know for how long maybe it was just a few seconds but it seemed like ages and and that piece just sent me just I listened to it so deeply that it took me into that silence out of which it comes that's all I can say it was experience of total bliss then how about yourself just a moment to share with us I could actually say that we this is a good description I mean I may not have toast here but it is sort of the idea that all of a sudden you're present somewhere else dimensionally you're not in time not in space you have no awareness how long you've been gone and I have many many triggers for this I spent a number of years in these states and that's what my teacher helped with and and I'll give one story and how he trained to me to be able to take me out of these states pretty quickly I was in India and there was a woman with us and she had become ill and so my teacher was kind of insisting that I take care of her and I really didn't want to I was very kind of gone and like oh I need someone to take care of me how can I be taking care of someone else and so he sent me into the village to get some medicine for her and when I arrived in the village it was the village that I knew I was on my way to the pharmacy I saw the sign there these red crosses and then all of a sudden the village changed and I wasn't in the village that I knew any longer and so this quality of fear but it's the awe of God kind of fear for me I was just like oh no where am i I have no idea I just had the money for the medicine and then all of a sudden you're like oh okay so this is where I'm just going to stand here until this shifts because I had had enough experience that I knew that eventually this would pass and I would be right back where I was when you were still back your toast in your hand and so this is the way it was for me moving me in ways that you can live in these shifting states of consciousness with an ease Jonathan do you warm to this notion of transport oh very much so a couple of months ago I went with my brother and sister or sister-in-law my wife and I to Yosemite and and something happened there that I felt facing those eternal rocks those redwoods the waterfalls such a beckoning to eternity that it was I didn't know how to come back I was reluctant to come back and I was aware I don't know we never discuss this here because as a part of the mystic understanding is the nature of beckoning to beyond death that there was a way in which life and death were one one of the wonderful things about being in the redwoods there are vertical trees and horizontal trees and they live together so easily the vertical trees aren't afraid of touchingly horizontal trees that fell down earlier but I mean apart from that I felt in this place of eternity and it's still very much with me both the image which is fading as well images fade but the experience of hearing they're beckoning from the voice the whispering of God from from the rocks from the waterfall from the trees come come forget everything be to quote our friend Ram Dass be here now but be here yes these experiences are usually called ineffable so William James described himself and yet the three of you have just gifted us with your anecdotes and it seems you each felt something about what each other experienced experience and so once you have this experience anyone can tell and you know exactly what they're speaking about because you've had the experience as well what I would stress again that everybody has these experiences everybody without enough awareness have just a pay attention to they don't have to be Yosemite you are some big wonderful music I remember once being totally blown away by have when the water in the bathtub was too hot and I added cold water and it made a pattern in the bathtub and that was more than more than a lifetime of experience it was just as you say life and death and joy and pain and it brought tears to my eyes nothing but mixing cold and hot water in a bathtub and seeing what it does that can be enough I often ask students if they remember ever sitting in a bus stop and you miss your bus because it passes you by because you're somewhere else so there are certain kind of ways that you can sit that kind of help this to happen I guess in a lot of people oh yeah I have been in at the bus stop and I was off somewhere else and the bus kept going and I missed it and children often have this experiences and we say to them don't just sit there and stare into the air just do something on the contrary we should say to them don't just do something sit there the Native Americans have this thing a well-educated child should be able to sit and look when there's nothing to be saying should be able to sit and listen when there's nothing to be heard if we allowed our children to do that we would have a very different kind of society what is the general population afraid of when they hear or they witness an experience can fear hold us back of course that is the great enemy one decision oh yeah the reason why this fearfulness is so dangerous is that it leads to aggression to violence behind every boy is fear the behind every act of violence is fear between in our economic crisis is fear because fear is the opposite of trust and so betrayed Trust leads to fear that fear is what both the people and the Greek Bible have in mind when they repeat over and over fear not fear not it's the one commandment in the Bible it's repeated more often than any other which means that people do it but you don't forget things that people don't do yeah what about the fear of fundamentalists of the mystical experience I'm not hesitant to speak about fundamentalism from the inside because I think that all of us go to a fundamentalist phase in our religious development only if you are lucky you pass through it if you get some help you pass through it and then sooner or later you learn that there is more to it and but you're always afraid to let go of what you already know and before you let go of what you know you cannot know more so exposure is a great help I was by one of my teachers told Jonathan don't forget that you're always 20% fanatic fundamentalist and 80% nice guy opened spiritual seeker and to maintain that balance within me it gives me in my practice that you know the result that 20% to me that is demanding of precision of fidelity and and so I do possess the fundamentals within me spiritually but not sociologically we live in a very frightening period of history don't we and so we want to have something firm to hold on to and the Bible would be if it is misunderstood to be some - hold on - and I believe that as it has been said so wisely you can either take the Bible literally or seriously and I would like to take it seriously I don't resonate with the idea of I've ever been a fundamentalist and it might be because of my training and because I was seeking the truth and I didn't have to seek it in inside of a certain container then I was able to dip into the truth of your tradition your tradition then how do you respond to the attacks on the Sufi shrines in Afghanistan and Pakistan I don't is there something threatening about the shrines but even with all of the Buddhist statues and I've got all of these things it doesn't matter you know if they're Sufi shrines or there's a special quality of barca at these places a special transmission of divine energy and to destroy that just doesn't to me sense to me brother David I know you've worked with free Jeff capra and David Bohm and so on do you see a parallel between the Mystics search for unitive experience you and the other are one and with some scientists the great physicists also are searching for I think with the deep passion oh yeah I think for us today to avail ourselves of the insights of science is a great gift only if we take science to explain anything science is not set up to explain anything scientists go to explore the facts and and if you take this fact and see them in a wider context which science itself is not able to give us the can be inspiring just think that we live in the universe there's so many milky ways and so many galaxies are over it's just and so many billions of stars in each galaxy this is absolutely mind-boggling Denis can be truly a spiritual experience I think science is starting to verify things that mystics have known for really a long time and so then it brings it into a more mainstream consciousness and can maybe be more easily accepted by people it's fascinating to uncover some of the revelations of modern science and to feel that spirituality religious mystic experience may be verified on the other hand there's also this strong vein throughout religious life that the ultimate should not be named cannot be named do we really need our mystic experience the experience to be verified by science in the mystic experience we transcend the intellect and so on the intellectual level of explanation of verification we cannot expect any verdict on something that by its definition transcends the intellect and the mind it's our consciousness it's a higher level of consciousness to which we put her at which we enter in the mystic experience but by my sterno teachers I've been told if you have some kind of dramatic mystical insight verified with a friend verified with the teacher verified with scripture verified wood law to make sure it isn't just your own invention and because I know I'm I think human being was infinitely capable of infinite self-deception and part of the work in the traditions is an effect to curb this to set limits that if I have a dream in the middle of the night and said Jonathan you're allowed to eat pork and cheese sandwiches and we go to a friend and said God whispered in my ear you could have pork and cheese sandwiches my trembles say Jonathan you're crazy and sometimes my closest friends have said to me when I'm describing inside Jonathan you're crazy I'll come back and either agree with them or not talk to them again brother David in the Christian tradition there seems to be practically mystical belief that we can name each step as we move towards God but on the other hand if you name it too closely you could also be persecuted for it so there's a great tradition of persecuting mystics but it's most important to me or what was most important in my experience was the discovery that even the word God is only a pointer up to a certain age I used to think that God well we know tables and chairs and cats and dogs in the Hmong and then we also know God but God isn't somebody else that is the great inside of Thomas Merton I think it's one of the most important statements of the 20th century God isn't somebody else you are it you see but not pure and simple but there is more and more and more to it as you allow yourself to even fathom yourself you come never to an end and as you fathom the created world to come never to an end as we're surrounded by mystery everything is totally filled with mystery Lyn I'm intrigued with your description of the mystical experience as being the essence of love and you've given this an intriguing name the unknown she can you tell us where that phrase came from and why you chosen for many years like I said I studied a metaphysics and so there was the divinity and then there was or the primal element and the male and female aspect of that so I had worked for many years with the idea of the qualities that I thought were the male aspect of the divinity and the female and then at some point it seemed that what I was experiencing I could only call she this quality of compassion mercy kindness and so in and it was beyond any of these merging of the two into one it was the one and so I could no longer really say he any longer and so and then I was given this poem in the beginning of it is I want to tell you a story one you may already know it is of a remembering of someone you knew long long ago in the Silence of the night comes the unknown she whispering sweetly come dance with me and so the poem goes on to speak about this dance of one this primal dance so as I moved deeper it became Chia and and I just could no longer say he there wasn't any he in his quality of love any longer at all it was just pure consciousness Jonathan do you feel in echo in your traditional very very deep echoes if I can start with an anecdote about two years ago I felt stuck and I sought guidance and I sought guidance first of all with a very stern Sufi teacher who said to me Jonathan the mountain is deep timeless short work hard and you could get there and I spoke to a woman from a Hindu tradition who just laughed and said Jonathan you're already there you are already there Merton said that so well he said we think that the spiritual path is a way on which you put one foot in front of the other the spiritual path would be called a spiritual path consists in opening your eyes and noticing that you're already there that's it there's a distinction that I can make is that when I was traveling let's say more what I would have said he it it felt like this ascent but then at some point when I started moving in the depth then it became she for me but it's an interesting of the Semitic languages that formed us there is no non gender reserve every now is either male gender or feminine gender and this in many ways is has formed her Thorntons and needs somehow and to smash these old patterns of thought to have a you can't say transgender this days it means something else but to get your place where gender is is irrelevant because whatever is incorporates I mean I went home from that summer listening to both the voices because I needed to be challenged and they need to just laugh so we've arrived at a crossroad here I don't think we want to define it but perhaps we could describe the mystic experience is that what qualifies a mystic to be a mystic do you have to have a mystical experience experiment be honest yes it's not knowing about God it's knowing you have a deep relationship with an experience of I understand when we speak of knowing God I have difficulty with whole phrase a mystical experience I don't know what mystical mystical experiences I know there is such a thing as as knowing God as being beckoned to God as feeling the one lives in duality and was AB neccessity because of the human condition and was drawn towards unity these are some of the characteristics you can describe as mystic but I don't call myself a mystic and the people do but that's irrelevant but for the path that I know this desire to transcend the duality of the existence to reach a place of unity which exists beyond time beyond causality beyond relationship it just is it's moving if you like the quarter from from doing - being in God one is in the world one does brother David where is God for you well what Jonathan just said I think so - to my experience I remember as a student I had a summer job and I was a prefect for the Vienna choir boys and you had their their home for the summer was in the Alps and I was once taking a walk while they were practicing down below and I was standing on a cliff all hundreds of feet above them and listening and through this absolutely clear mountain air comes this Palestrina motet duo seraphim exactly what you know refer to the - self him according to one another holy holy holy and that came up to this yeah and even now when I tell it I get goosebumps goosebumps in my spine is chilled because that was one of those moments of experiencing the divine but that was an ecstatic moment and most of the time they are just everyday moments more valid than the ecstatic or at least equally valid and in our context that is called grateful living we call it grateful living and it's a it's a practice just like yours and it's a it's a real practice if you make it such and if you remind yourself moment by moment to live gradually that everything is gift and it it's a practice that every human being can understand even children can easily pick it up all the different traditions have gratefulness somewhere in the center I will say yes that is very important and people who have no other particular religious affiliation will say yes Kate witness isn't one so that is our practice to live gratefully to see that every moment is a given moment that this world is a given world that you constantly receive from the great giver from the great source and give it back in Thanksgiving that would be the no other known and and the knowing in a sense that flowing forth that flowing forth from the source into the all that existed rowing back and Thanksgiving but what prevents us from being so giving so compassionate on one hand it would seem to be the most natural of impulses to help each other and to pass on what we know and what we have is that the ego that moves between us and the divine between us and other people and if so is that why the annihilation of the ego is a part of most mystical practice I wouldn't speak about the annihilation of the ego because we need an E the ego is like the masks without which we couldn't be in the world we have to have a presence in the world not annihilation but the problem is that we identify with the ego it's like an actor who identifies with Hamlet well with Ophelia she goes crazy if she does that if she forgets who she isn't you think she's suddenly Ophelia or he thinks he's suddenly Hamlet and we are all crazy like that we are thinking we are David we are Lynn Jonathan that's our bent of mind and to the truth the key is to no longer identify with the hole no longer identify but have it be able to play it an aspect of mystical experience that has intrigued me for a long time has recently been articulated by people like Michael Murphy that the mystical experience itself may have been a trigger in human evolution that the experience of a handful of people throughout human history has helped us with leaps of consciousness leaps in evolution itself does that resonate with anyone here well it's you have already mentioned feel that the great founders of the spiritual traditions were mystics Buddha was mystic Moses Jesus Mohammed they were all great mystics and each expressed that experience of oneness in a very different way according to the time in history the culture the whole setting and then it also developed in a different way but basically it all goes back to that basic mystic experience would seem to me can we talk for a moment about the value of the experience a loaded word a lapidary word but it's the mystic like mystical experience valuable simply for itself to the person who has been visited and graced been blessed or is there another dimension where the mystical experience can also be a value to the tribe the community you share your great you shared the grace that you have the light that you're given and all these great founders of the traditions have raised the consciousness of the tribe of the human family to a new level and the danger is that we block it there and that we put a ceiling on it it's meant to Deacon tin you to develop unless we raise the level of our consciousness to a new level we won't make it through the crisis in which we find ourselves and ken wilber points out that there is no that no way has been found of raising consciousness that that works statistically except meditation and meditation does work so spiritual practice is the only way that has been shown to accelerate the progress in awareness to go back to your question about the value in here perhaps I have a different attitude that per se the experience has no value it can be just like more water into the Dead Sea or you go to a children's party and the children get a gift and I get so wonderfully excited and the end of the party you see it in the trash can it becomes a commodity and that I am so cautious about that what does one do the experience is either a step in self transformation self awareness the soft purification and the transmission to the world around attempt to bring the inner illumination into a kind of outer illumination sometimes has been extremely subtly you can't run around and say I've just seen the truth they throw stones at you nobody listens I think though in most traditions now there is the idea that you walk this understanding into your everyday life that you're here to practice it and this is how this transformation is you know this lift in consciousness will be is people actually living their understanding and you know through these experiences you get little glimpses as to what is because you ask someone what is your understanding and they can't say anything we haven't been able we don't have a language anymore to speak about these things focus on gratefulness as practice will raise your level of social consciousness the Buddhists have a beautiful prayer before a meal innumerable Labor's brought us this food we should know how it comes to us if we think of all the people that worked I remember bumper sticker do you have food thank a farm worker that immediately brings up all the political issues that are now a disc connected with undocumented farmworkers without whom we had would have nothing on our table these things are quite central to keeping the mystic experience alive they are the overflow into everyday practice I appreciate all three of you hitting that grace note of gratefulness and the gift with our discussion thank you much alone Thank You Jonathan thank you [Music] [Applause] [Music] you [Music]

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Keywords: krishnamurtiandmore, spirituality, education, philosophy, mindfulnesstv, transcendence, Mystical Experience, sufism, judaism, christianity, David Steindl-Rast, Maata Lynn Barron, Jonathan Omer-Man

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Published: Thu Feb 07 2019