The Liquid Bomb Plot (Terrorism Documentary) - Real Stories

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<font color="#CCCCCC">I said do you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> understand for what</font> happened<font color="#CCCCCC"> if we</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> must calculate there will</font> be a huge and tragic loss of<font color="#E5E5E5"> life</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> the government will fall it<font color="#E5E5E5"> is difficult</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to be one of the handful of people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> who</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">understands what this threat is what was</font> fighting<font color="#E5E5E5"> for me was the terrorists had a</font> totally new way<font color="#E5E5E5"> to conduct that time we</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">realized they had figured out a way to</font> smuggle liquid explosives <font color="#E5E5E5">I'm passenger airliner</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> their faults</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">around the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> country are in chaos this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was</font> an armed<font color="#CCCCCC"> attacked by an opposing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> enemy</font> force the short word<font color="#CCCCCC"> for that is war</font> if this went wrong you're talking about<font color="#E5E5E5"> 2,000 leaves in one</font> night [Music] [Music] in 2006<font color="#CCCCCC"> we're</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> only just coming to terms</font> with the<font color="#CCCCCC"> fact that we were facing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a</font> substantial terrorist threat from<font color="#E5E5E5"> within</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> United Kingdom</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it only been a year since we've seen a</font> devastating<font color="#E5E5E5"> tax in the London</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> transport</font> system<font color="#CCCCCC"> and the realization that here we</font> had in her own backyard<font color="#CCCCCC"> residents the</font> United Kingdom with UK passports announcing attacks on the streets of <font color="#E5E5E5">London mi5 and the police needed to work</font> very<font color="#E5E5E5"> closely to combat the terrorist</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">threat there was a lot</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of terrorist</font> activity<font color="#E5E5E5"> than had been anticipated</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">someone would be people who were</font> involved<font color="#E5E5E5"> at the world</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> level but then</font> there were others where you<font color="#E5E5E5"> could see</font> this is a serious threat<font color="#E5E5E5"> first time I</font> heard the name<font color="#E5E5E5"> ahmed ali khan was early</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">in 2006 when he came in on the periphery</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">of another investigation he</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was somebody</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">who had associated with</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> people of</font> interest Ahmed Ali Khan<font color="#E5E5E5"> was already</font> knows her life<font color="#CCCCCC"> life he</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> come on the radar</font> because<font color="#CCCCCC"> they suspected him being</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">involved in fundraising the Islamic</font> extremists<font color="#E5E5E5"> in Pakistan Ahmed Ali Khan</font> was 25 at the time<font color="#E5E5E5"> he was married with a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">young child</font> he was<font color="#E5E5E5"> well-educated he had a degree in</font> computing he led a typical life<font color="#E5E5E5"> not</font> necessarily<font color="#CCCCCC"> overtly religious</font> but<font color="#E5E5E5"> Ali Khan progressed as a target in</font> priority when he traveled to<font color="#E5E5E5"> Pakistan</font> [Music] in<font color="#E5E5E5"> several plots in the UK what we have</font> seen<font color="#CCCCCC"> is people travelling to Pakistan to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">camps up in the tribal areas</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">training there</font> [Music] <font color="#CCCCCC">Caan</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was somebody who was a fairly</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">frequent traveler to Pakistan</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> had been</font> there several times we were<font color="#E5E5E5"> indeed</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> very</font> suspicious<font color="#E5E5E5"> about what he was up to</font> [Music] <font color="#E5E5E5">I was informed</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that his visit there had</font> not been<font color="#E5E5E5"> from entirely</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> measured</font> prophecies and he had met people there<font color="#E5E5E5"> who give</font> rise to concern<font color="#CCCCCC"> Russian rail for its</font> British<font color="#CCCCCC"> ridgey from the West Midlands</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the Fred</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Britt</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> back in 2002 when he was</font> wanted by the police for the murder his<font color="#E5E5E5"> own uncle most</font> alarming to us<font color="#CCCCCC"> Ralph</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was suspected of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">having strong</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> links with in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> al-qaeda</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">anyone who has contact personally with</font> Ralph will be under suspicion<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font> potentially being<font color="#CCCCCC"> linked</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to terrorism</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> was enough suspicion for us to give</font> 24/7<font color="#E5E5E5"> surveys against Ali</font> [Music] <font color="#E5E5E5">a law it sounds very easy to say keep</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">someone under surveillance 24 hours a</font> day <font color="#CCCCCC">it's a massive task he went onto the</font> 16th<font color="#CCCCCC"> floor at New Scotland Yard</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">there's control</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in there that's what</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> its</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">operation and the many others get a</font> carry on<font color="#CCCCCC"> at the same time are</font> coordinated<font color="#E5E5E5"> and orchestrated from that</font> room [Music] <font color="#E5E5E5">a camera aimed on the front door of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font> suspect<font color="#CCCCCC"> means that the surveillance team</font> there has<font color="#E5E5E5"> been close to the house which</font> could compromise their position <font color="#E5E5E5">basically show him out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Ali comes out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font> his house<font color="#E5E5E5"> that could be alerted to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">surveillance team that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we parked up</font> nearby [Music] you need a<font color="#CCCCCC"> train eight and fourteen</font> people<font color="#E5E5E5"> are one surveillance tour of duty</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">in what try and do as best you can is</font> get<font color="#E5E5E5"> people with profile that were just</font> mixing with the general community why are you gonna tell me five<font color="#E5E5E5"> minutes</font> if you know you're gonna be<font color="#E5E5E5"> longer in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that's what I'm talking about people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> who</font> are<font color="#CCCCCC"> subject to the investigation</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font> given code names<font color="#E5E5E5"> in this case Ali's name</font> was<font color="#E5E5E5"> lion's roar I'm not gonna have to do</font> something cuz I can't be<font color="#E5E5E5"> happy</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> with to</font> be honest<font color="#E5E5E5"> waiting outside in the cold in</font> that anyway<font color="#E5E5E5"> lion roar just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> turning up</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Blackwood Street now</font> [Music] I want<font color="#E5E5E5"> our</font> so then<font color="#E5E5E5"> this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is actually</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> controlled</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> by</font> the target where that target goes who that target<font color="#CCCCCC"> meets who is it</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">unknown Oh</font> when an individual meets another individual<font color="#CCCCCC"> that person comes under</font> assessment as to whether<font color="#E5E5E5"> that's gonna be</font> a<font color="#E5E5E5"> target of value moving opposite</font> direction thank you Atari I won't go after<font color="#CCCCCC"> members</font> the selection process<font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> terrorist</font> cells<font color="#CCCCCC"> is scientific ahmed ali khan was</font> selected because<font color="#E5E5E5"> he was articulate he</font> was<font color="#E5E5E5"> intelligent he was also charismatic</font> he could influence others<font color="#CCCCCC"> he</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> could</font> persuade others [Music] <font color="#E5E5E5">Tanveer saying was a single man and a</font> father<font color="#CCCCCC"> unemployed</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we believe he was</font> educated at<font color="#E5E5E5"> university but he played a</font> pivotal role with<font color="#E5E5E5"> ahmed ali khan as his</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">number two he was his left hand</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Umar Islam was a convert</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> originally he</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">had been a Rastafarian</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he was slightly</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">older than</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the others at 28</font> [Music] they were quite ordinary<font color="#E5E5E5"> they had</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">families they</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> had responsibilities</font> most of them didn't<font color="#CCCCCC"> have criminal</font> convictions there wasn't anything different about <font color="#E5E5E5">these individuals from anyone else</font> [Music] on the 15th of July Ali met an individual<font color="#CCCCCC"> whom we hadn't seen before</font> they went<font color="#CCCCCC"> into Lloyd Park</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and in</font> Walthamstow<font color="#E5E5E5"> and lay down</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on the grass</font> facing each<font color="#E5E5E5"> other</font> [Music] clearly<font color="#E5E5E5"> designed to avoid anyone seeing</font> what they were doing<font color="#CCCCCC"> Hugh even</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">lip-reading from a distance something</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that we've seen is that people who</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">been trained in Pakistan are trained</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font> counter-surveillance it made us understand that<font color="#E5E5E5"> actually</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">these were highly trained terrorist</font> professionals market checks<font color="#CCCCCC"> there the park lutein mark</font> each exit of<font color="#E5E5E5"> life</font> those<font color="#CCCCCC"> two Delta</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> 3 stay on that on</font> [Music] this individual was identified as assets <font color="#CCCCCC">Arwa lived in High Wycombe</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> where he was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">born he live</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> with his parents</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">unemployed postman and he had dropped</font> out<font color="#CCCCCC"> at University</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I said Sowell had only</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">recently returned from a visit to</font> Pakistan<font color="#CCCCCC"> we don't know precisely</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what he</font> was doing when he was<font color="#E5E5E5"> there but in the</font> context of<font color="#E5E5E5"> this investigation</font> clearly sinister we allocated him the <font color="#E5E5E5">codename</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> rich food</font> [Applause] he was subject<font color="#E5E5E5"> to extensive monitoring</font> by us it was clear<font color="#CCCCCC"> from his activity</font> that he was purchasing hydrogen<font color="#CCCCCC"> peroxide</font> hydrogen peroxide is a chemical generally<font color="#CCCCCC"> utilized by hairdressers or</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font> the in the hairdressing environment but over recent<font color="#E5E5E5"> years has been seen more and</font> more for its use<font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the construction of</font> improvised explosives most<font color="#E5E5E5"> significantly</font> on<font color="#CCCCCC"> the attacks on the 7th of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> July 2005</font> we<font color="#CCCCCC"> assessed</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> assad Sawa</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was</font> purchasing the hydrogen peroxide<font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font> order<font color="#E5E5E5"> to make it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> into an explosive</font> concentration but that stage I was<font color="#CCCCCC"> told</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that it was getting serious</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we didn't</font> know the plot<font color="#E5E5E5"> we didn't know what it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was</font> either we just knew something's on here [Music] <font color="#CCCCCC">no that's some form of terrorist</font> activity is<font color="#CCCCCC"> operational</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we have to elect</font> anyone<font color="#E5E5E5"> we think would reasonably be</font> regarded as in the loop and<font color="#E5E5E5"> the biggest</font> one<font color="#CCCCCC"> of course is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the United</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> States of</font> America<font color="#E5E5E5"> our two nations were so closely</font> linked<font color="#CCCCCC"> if there were bad things brewing</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">in Great Britain that probably</font> constituted as serious a threat<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> America domestically and to Americans<font color="#E5E5E5"> as</font> if that plot were developing in the United States not<font color="#E5E5E5"> because we</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> loved the</font> British so much we do but<font color="#E5E5E5"> because</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> threat was so<font color="#E5E5E5"> easily transferable we saw</font> the US intelligence community<font color="#E5E5E5"> offer its</font> support to help the British well that <font color="#E5E5E5">gets very classified in a hurry but when</font> you turn<font color="#CCCCCC"> on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> US</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> big intelligence</font> machine it's pretty great [Music] we have a lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> of resources</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> because we're</font> a global<font color="#E5E5E5"> service we have touch points</font> around<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> planet</font> [Music] the intelligence services<font color="#CCCCCC"> will go to</font> great lengths<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> make</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> sure that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">have some idea of what has been said and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">what</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> has been passed by internet or</font> telephone messages from communications monitoring we could see that Metallica was in<font color="#E5E5E5"> constant</font> communication with Pakistan the central strategic direction<font color="#E5E5E5"> emanated from</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">al-qaida core</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and there was a middleman</font> in<font color="#E5E5E5"> between Rashid Rauf the man behind</font> the screen<font color="#E5E5E5"> so to speak and from whom we</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">believed the plotters in Great Britain</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">were getting advice the judgment was</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that there was a plot underway that the</font> materials for the bomb of being bought what we still didn't know is<font color="#E5E5E5"> what would</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the target be</font> was it going to<font color="#E5E5E5"> be an attack in public</font> places<font color="#E5E5E5"> crowded places we've seen</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">before if you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> look at Al Qaeda's</font> targeting list<font color="#CCCCCC"> it covers just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> about</font> everything<font color="#CCCCCC"> shopping</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> centers diplomatic</font> premises<font color="#E5E5E5"> public buildings public</font> transport any crowded place<font color="#CCCCCC"> we'll be</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">looking</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> at</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a repeat of 77</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> were we</font> looking<font color="#CCCCCC"> at</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> explosives</font> taken in a rucksack<font color="#CCCCCC"> attack in parts of</font> London<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was part of our initial</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">assessment</font> actually it was going to be far<font color="#CCCCCC"> more</font> sophisticated<font color="#E5E5E5"> than</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font> which one there's that free<font color="#CCCCCC"> Isles</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font> don't know which one to<font color="#E5E5E5"> look in huh what</font> one is it <font color="#CCCCCC">Ali was seen by the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> surveillance</font> officers paying particular<font color="#E5E5E5"> attention to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">soft</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> drinks bottles take</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you back</font> especially he was paying<font color="#E5E5E5"> attention</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the seal on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> top of the bottle an unusual</font> thing<font color="#CCCCCC"> to do they might</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> think certainly</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">it caused us to think very carefully</font> what nerf this could mean he began <font color="#E5E5E5">tasking members of his cell to purchase</font> equipment<font color="#CCCCCC"> today was seen on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> surveillance</font> walking into pharmacies<font color="#CCCCCC"> acid</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Sawa</font> looking at buying citric acid<font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> stating to the shopkeeper<font color="#CCCCCC"> that actually</font> was for his sister for cooking [Music] Tambor<font color="#E5E5E5"> has</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> st. asking</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for syringes</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> when</font> asked which type he said the large ones whilst we didn't know exactly<font color="#CCCCCC"> what</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they</font> were actually doing<font color="#E5E5E5"> it was clearly not</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">normal</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> activity</font> at<font color="#E5E5E5"> a significant turning point in the</font> investigation<font color="#E5E5E5"> came when for the first</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">time we saw Ali go to forest road in</font> Walthamstow<font color="#E5E5E5"> this was a new property we</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">haven't seen it before in the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">investigation we didn't know what the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">significance of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it was but then over the</font> time we saw<font color="#E5E5E5"> that several other members</font> of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the network were going there on a</font> regular<font color="#E5E5E5"> basis as well</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">ahmed ali can't attend they are saying</font> on<font color="#CCCCCC"> one occasion left the address with a</font> bag they were monitored on their route to <font color="#E5E5E5">lloyd park which</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was nearby they had</font> walked far enough away<font color="#CCCCCC"> from their</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">premises for them to believe that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> by</font> dumping<font color="#E5E5E5"> it in a bin in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a park that it</font> couldn't be traced back to them [Music] we were asked<font color="#E5E5E5"> to make an assessment</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">associated with the recovery of a</font> carrier bag it appeared that<font color="#E5E5E5"> somebody had been</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">hollowing out batteries our assessment</font> was they were involved<font color="#E5E5E5"> in activity which</font> could be<font color="#CCCCCC"> leading to their construction</font> of an improvised<font color="#CCCCCC"> explosive device</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> at</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> address we didn't know what the</font> device<font color="#E5E5E5"> was what it would look like we</font> can only make<font color="#E5E5E5"> assessments</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> based on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what</font> we see we needed to get<font color="#CCCCCC"> access to the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">flap we needed to monitor the flap we</font> needed to<font color="#E5E5E5"> control what was inside the</font> flat and identify what they were doing <font color="#CCCCCC">a creep is a covert entry</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it's a problem</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I was held that you're gonna be</font> assisting<font color="#CCCCCC"> on this covert operation</font> tonight can you assemble team<font color="#E5E5E5"> two to</font> assist<font color="#CCCCCC"> in support</font> and I have picked a number<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font> individuals to assist it is a<font color="#E5E5E5"> high-risk</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">strategy to enter any</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> premises to put in</font> a camera and an audio probe the risk is <font color="#CCCCCC">obviously</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> from individuals and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Pinelli</font> can't and they are saying<font color="#E5E5E5"> or anyone who</font> could come in to the address clearly the opportune time is having all of your targets<font color="#E5E5E5"> under control and away</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">from the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> premises</font> which food arrived home safely<font color="#E5E5E5"> contained</font> and controlled brick buildings<font color="#E5E5E5"> under control</font> vision on cold wind top<font color="#E5E5E5"> drawer and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Lionel</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">station</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">clear clear</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> 1:05</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> 0-5 prepare to go</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">bye-bye</font> the team were notice there is a <font color="#E5E5E5">potential for compromise</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you're</font> there<font color="#CCCCCC"> too</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> right to minimize it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so it's</font> certainly<font color="#E5E5E5"> a nervous activity</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be</font> parceled [Music] [Music] pedestrian approach that corner<font color="#CCCCCC"> Flores</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">right</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> away this ring</font> I've got visual<font color="#E5E5E5"> dark</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Jack hit</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the cat</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">who</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is it</font> unknown confirm visual<font color="#CCCCCC"> on targets</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> brick</font> buildings confirmed no vision on rich food<font color="#E5E5E5"> but contained</font> lying or confirm <font color="#CCCCCC">hopefully</font> [Music] <font color="#E5E5E5">top-drawer</font> I've lost<font color="#E5E5E5"> vision on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> top-drawer</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">for the road tools</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> duration of the flat</font> 1:05 2:05 repetitive<font color="#E5E5E5"> move on</font> [Music] <font color="#CCCCCC">stop talking fun</font> video feeds connected video<font color="#E5E5E5"> probe in</font> position check clearance for exits<font color="#CCCCCC"> oh</font> yeah clear [Music] once I knew<font color="#CCCCCC"> that the deployment of being</font> successful<font color="#CCCCCC"> then the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> pressure was off</font> but significance of the operation has only<font color="#E5E5E5"> known once the cream was complete</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and then it was realized how important</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> premises was</font> [Music] <font color="#CCCCCC">I happened</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to be in the ops room and was</font> aware<font color="#E5E5E5"> that the probe</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> material was being</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">piped</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> into that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> option</font> [Music] it was a degree<font color="#E5E5E5"> of excitement they had</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to their</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> subjects in clear picture</font> standing over a<font color="#E5E5E5"> a large bin in the</font> middle of that room [Music] we were beginning<font color="#CCCCCC"> to discover what they</font> were doing with these<font color="#E5E5E5"> bottles</font> they were boarding her to her they were<font color="#E5E5E5"> extracting the ingredients</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">through the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> bottom they were draining</font> off the<font color="#CCCCCC"> ingredients and they were</font> putting<font color="#E5E5E5"> in a substitute</font> [Music] extremely clean extremely<font color="#CCCCCC"> Sandpoint</font> extremely limited that was the first <font color="#E5E5E5">time as always aware that we knew that</font> that<font color="#CCCCCC"> was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the method the terrorists were</font> going to use the explosives<font color="#E5E5E5"> going to be</font> injected into those bottles the fact that they were decanting drinks bottles that<font color="#E5E5E5"> they</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> were looking at</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the seals when</font> they were seen on surveillance<font color="#E5E5E5"> gave an</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">indication that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they were going to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> use</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">some form of substitution</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">no why would they go to such</font> extraordinary<font color="#E5E5E5"> lengths</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to avoid</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">inspection scrutiny FC it was from us</font> the one could have<font color="#CCCCCC"> examining the bus if</font> it<font color="#E5E5E5"> wasn't a train nobody would examine</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Train</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if it was in a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> public space</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that we could surely carry the backpack</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">so although two places where</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you might</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">use not to get through such scrutiny</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">where securitized premises or airports</font> we have never come<font color="#CCCCCC"> across the use of a</font> liquid explosives disguised as a drinks bottle but from the<font color="#E5E5E5"> scientific testing</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it's quite clear that it would have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> been</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">viable and created devastation it wasn't</font> a huge bomb but the place when a small bomb<font color="#CCCCCC"> can cause the most enormous damage</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">is an impression</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Isley a cabin</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and in an</font> airplane<font color="#E5E5E5"> very much like popping a</font> balloon<font color="#CCCCCC"> you're using</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the pressure inside</font> to actually<font color="#E5E5E5"> explode outwards this in</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that stage that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the three pieces</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> kind of</font> fall together<font color="#E5E5E5"> small bomb heading through</font> scrutiny devastating and by absolute <font color="#E5E5E5">tail</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I received a call</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> from</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the chief of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">operations of the CIA's Counterterrorism</font> Center<font color="#CCCCCC"> I knew that he was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> deadly serious</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">when he</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> said you and your deputy</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> must</font> come to see<font color="#CCCCCC"> us right away</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I've been in</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> center of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> many crises</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> many crises</font> across the world<font color="#E5E5E5"> over 47 years at CIA</font> [Music] <font color="#E5E5E5">but when I went to talk</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> his chief of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">ops my hair literally stood up on end we</font> knew<font color="#E5E5E5"> that there was a new and innovative</font> way using liquid explosives<font color="#E5E5E5"> and looking</font> at it technically<font color="#E5E5E5"> CIA believed it was</font> feasible<font color="#E5E5E5"> it was very eerie we didn't</font> know exactly what<font color="#CCCCCC"> Airlines might be</font> targeted<font color="#E5E5E5"> it wasn't at all clear</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">incredibly worried about where this</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">didn't go</font> [Music] from the audio surveillance in<font color="#CCCCCC"> the flat</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">we heard them talking about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> favorite</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">holiday destinations in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the US we</font> believed this was a first<font color="#E5E5E5"> indication</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font> where they were<font color="#E5E5E5"> going to undertake an</font> attack [Music] all the plots that we have<font color="#CCCCCC"> investigated</font> in the UK<font color="#E5E5E5"> this was becoming the most</font> significant [Music] the<font color="#E5E5E5"> United Kingdom</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> going to be used</font> as a launch<font color="#E5E5E5"> pad</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a direct attack</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> United</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> States and I got a telephone</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">call</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> from my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> office on a secure</font> telephone<font color="#E5E5E5"> because I always carried a</font> secure phone telling me<font color="#E5E5E5"> that a</font> particular thread of intelligence being followed by<font color="#E5E5E5"> the British authorities had</font> all<font color="#E5E5E5"> of a sudden spiked as soon as I got</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> briefing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I was in contact with</font> President Bush<font color="#E5E5E5"> from the very beginning</font> after<font color="#E5E5E5"> September 11th President Bush told</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">everybody don't let this happen again</font> and that was I<font color="#E5E5E5"> think</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> at the forefront of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">his mind I felt very emotional</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">really do worry</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> after September the 11th</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the beautiful Tuesday</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> morning 11</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">September 2001 when when which will</font> always<font color="#CCCCCC"> be looked upon by</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> me as as where</font> you know I did not contribute<font color="#E5E5E5"> to the</font> level I should have against<font color="#E5E5E5"> al-qaida</font> core<font color="#E5E5E5"> leadership and we underestimated</font> their capacities<font color="#E5E5E5"> for international</font> strike never again never again will we <font color="#E5E5E5">ever underestimate our adversaries</font> because<font color="#CCCCCC"> I was the director of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> Central<font color="#E5E5E5"> Intelligence Agency in a nation</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">of war against terrorism my moral legal</font> professional<font color="#CCCCCC"> responsibility was to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> make</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">sure this never</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> happened again</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">ahmed ali khan who's reporting back to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Pakistan about what state he was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font> making<font color="#CCCCCC"> the devices</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he sent a text and it</font> basically said that<font color="#E5E5E5"> the bat and the</font> bottles<font color="#E5E5E5"> are ready only</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> need the juice</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">now the bat was his phrase</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for the</font> batteries<font color="#E5E5E5"> clearly the bottles were the</font> drink bottles but what he<font color="#CCCCCC"> needed was the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">juice which was the Hodja peroxide</font> Pakistan was also directing<font color="#E5E5E5"> I said Sawa</font> the main procurer<font color="#E5E5E5"> of hydrogen</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> peroxide</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I said so I was in an internet cafe</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font> surveillance operative was looking at what he<font color="#E5E5E5"> was typing and recording what it</font> was that he<font color="#E5E5E5"> was saying</font> assets<font color="#CCCCCC"> are war is contacting</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> most of the</font> hydrogen<font color="#CCCCCC"> peroxide supplies in the</font> country quite<font color="#CCCCCC"> a lot</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of the communication</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">was in a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> very simple form coded speech</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">just talking about Calvin</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Klein</font> aftershave for instance when clearly is referring to hydrogen<font color="#E5E5E5"> peroxide</font> we knew the hydrogen peroxide<font color="#CCCCCC"> has all</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the high wycombe with</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> acid Salwa he was</font> the quartermaster if you like a central figure<font color="#E5E5E5"> in this plot</font> up<font color="#CCCCCC"> till now</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we knew we had</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Ali Sawa</font> three or four other associates<font color="#E5E5E5"> it wasn't</font> until we monitored a further conversation<font color="#CCCCCC"> we really understood the</font> full scale of this<font color="#CCCCCC"> operation seem to us</font> they were discussing<font color="#E5E5E5"> how many people</font> were<font color="#E5E5E5"> going to be involved in this plot</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the variety of names and nicknames were</font> used [Music] <font color="#CCCCCC">eleven</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">whoa</font> [Music] we think<font color="#E5E5E5"> of that number of people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> being</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">involved in a plot</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that gave an</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">indication of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the scope of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what and the</font> scale of<font color="#CCCCCC"> what it was they wanted</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to do</font> and then talked<font color="#E5E5E5"> about possibly one more</font> and it seemed that the the one<font color="#E5E5E5"> more</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">bring him up to 19 may have had some</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">sort of special significance for them of</font> course relating back to the the<font color="#E5E5E5"> 19 people</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">involved in 9/11</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I certainly felt</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> pressure personally<font color="#E5E5E5"> from a couple or</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">standpoints first and their</font> responsibility<font color="#E5E5E5"> to protect the aviation</font> system<font color="#CCCCCC"> ultimately</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> rested with me at</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">least on the American side and what made</font> it<font color="#CCCCCC"> more</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> complicated was because the</font> president kept it very<font color="#E5E5E5"> tightly held I</font> could only tell<font color="#CCCCCC"> two other people in my</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">agency the head of our intelligence</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Charlie</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Allen and my deputy Michael</font> Jackson<font color="#CCCCCC"> I have several</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> hundred officers</font> but I couldn't tell them anything<font color="#CCCCCC"> about</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this but we had to bring in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Kip Holley</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">because we had to plan for taking</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">protective measures involving civil</font> aviation<font color="#E5E5E5"> Charlie Allen said here is a</font> plot<font color="#CCCCCC"> that we're taking</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> very very</font> seriously<font color="#E5E5E5"> it is of the utmost</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">confidentiality and you may not talk to</font> anyone<font color="#E5E5E5"> about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this is the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> highest</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">levels of the UK government</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and the US</font> government<font color="#CCCCCC"> here's the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> punchline</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Kipp</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">they're coming</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> after</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> airplanes with</font> liquid bombs<font color="#E5E5E5"> you got to stop it</font> there are very limited spaces<font color="#CCCCCC"> that you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">can talk about things like this at the</font> department homeland security <font color="#CCCCCC">headquarters</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> there is a level that is</font> called<font color="#CCCCCC"> top-secret</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> special compartment</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and information TSS CI that is kind of</font> at the<font color="#CCCCCC"> top of the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> totem pole we couldn't</font> talk<font color="#CCCCCC"> to the airline industry or the</font> airport industry<font color="#E5E5E5"> we literally had to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">bring less than a handful of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people into</font> a room<font color="#E5E5E5"> get a secure laptop</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and type up</font> the protocol that<font color="#CCCCCC"> was going to change</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the entire processing for passengers</font> getting<font color="#E5E5E5"> on airplanes</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we were deciding</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">whether to ban liquids</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to perhaps ban</font> carry-on<font color="#E5E5E5"> we developed a plan for the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">president to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> approve</font> [Music] the president was<font color="#E5E5E5"> out of town</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we</font> have the capability of<font color="#E5E5E5"> doing video</font> teleconferencing<font color="#CCCCCC"> that's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> secure</font> [Music] the president<font color="#E5E5E5"> set the tone which was</font> intense<font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> not uptight occasionally</font> maybe<font color="#E5E5E5"> a joke about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> one of the</font> individuals<font color="#E5E5E5"> as President Bush would say</font> this<font color="#E5E5E5"> was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> not</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> our first rodeo we'd been</font> through plots before<font color="#E5E5E5"> everybody</font> understood what<font color="#CCCCCC"> our</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> responsibility was</font> there was a great deal<font color="#CCCCCC"> of concern that</font> nothing happened that might in any way tip off<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> plotters and accelerate the</font> plot we would initiate these new <font color="#E5E5E5">measures when the British authorities</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">were ready to arrest the plotters</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in the</font> United Kingdom against<font color="#CCCCCC"> Husein ahmed ali</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">count and Sawa</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> there was clear evidence</font> of conspiracy<font color="#CCCCCC"> the difficulty we had is</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> there were others involved they had</font> discussed<font color="#E5E5E5"> 18</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> individuals what we wanted</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to do was to allow</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> operation</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to run</font> to such an extent<font color="#E5E5E5"> that we could identify</font> who those individuals<font color="#E5E5E5"> were so it's</font> important<font color="#E5E5E5"> that the operation ran</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I remember been briefed</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> by mi5 and they</font> told me<font color="#E5E5E5"> we know this is a big plot but</font> we do not<font color="#E5E5E5"> believe year we have the</font> threshold of evidence to connect these people and we would<font color="#E5E5E5"> like to weed it's at</font> this point<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I face</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a dreadful</font> dilemma<font color="#CCCCCC"> with a very profound judgment to</font> be<font color="#CCCCCC"> made and it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> simply is this that if</font> you<font color="#CCCCCC"> go in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Italy</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> then</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it is highly</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">likely that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you will not</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have the</font> threshold of evidence to convict<font color="#CCCCCC"> people</font> who may<font color="#E5E5E5"> be released</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and may try this</font> again<font color="#E5E5E5"> if on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> other</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hand you wait to</font> get<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> evidence necessary to reach</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font> threshold of charging conviction<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> greater the<font color="#E5E5E5"> risk that they will actually</font> embark on an off<font color="#CCCCCC"> length</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of terrorism so</font> that<font color="#CCCCCC"> judgment is hugely difficult</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> make<font color="#E5E5E5"> I should remember thinking about it</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and I believe I am record that is saying</font> do you understand what<font color="#E5E5E5"> will</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> happen if we</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">must calculate there will be a huge and</font> tragic loss of<font color="#E5E5E5"> life and there will be</font> the tragic loss of your<font color="#E5E5E5"> job my job and</font> the government will fall<font color="#E5E5E5"> no gone and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">dude I gave the instruction to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> proceed</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and take</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> more time and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the no illusions</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">about what</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> would</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> happen if we got this</font> wrong [Music] you <font color="#CCCCCC">ass</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> operation developed</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a promise</font> Tony Blair he was a<font color="#CCCCCC"> whale holiday in</font> fact<font color="#E5E5E5"> I think he was actually staying</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> sir</font> cliff Richards<font color="#E5E5E5"> holiday home in the</font> Bahamas obviously I kept him informed of what was happening<font color="#CCCCCC"> he recognized the</font> magnitude of<font color="#E5E5E5"> it but other than that he</font> he let us get on with<font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> job we needed to</font> extend<font color="#E5E5E5"> the surveillance</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to almost all of</font> their<font color="#E5E5E5"> associates over 200 officers were</font> brought<font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to London from around the</font> country<font color="#E5E5E5"> they</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> were trained in</font> surveillance<font color="#E5E5E5"> this is the largest</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">surveillance operation and probably one</font> of the<font color="#E5E5E5"> most difficult surveillance</font> operation that has ever<font color="#CCCCCC"> been undertaken</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">in the UK</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">there were 28 surveillance teams and</font> each team there's an opportunity<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> compromise another team<font color="#CCCCCC"> especially when</font> targets come together<font color="#E5E5E5"> this type of</font> operation<font color="#E5E5E5"> on the scale it was it was new</font> to everybody as more<font color="#E5E5E5"> and more</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">information</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> guide accumulated and the</font> outlines of the<font color="#E5E5E5"> plan got clearer</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I was</font> in<font color="#CCCCCC"> regular contact</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> with John</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Reid I</font> already knew Michael Chertoff <font color="#E5E5E5">I had agree</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I'd Mauritian for them but</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this wasn't easy to communicate to</font> someone<font color="#E5E5E5"> from the United</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> States who along</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">with many others had</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> gone through 9/11</font> we know this<font color="#E5E5E5"> is a big plot we know</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">there's grave danger but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we need a</font> little<font color="#CCCCCC"> more time John told me</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> British police operate under evidential constraints it's not enough to get information<font color="#E5E5E5"> you have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to have information</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you can act</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> upon for Michael</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Chancellor's points of view and you know</font> through him the president because he would<font color="#E5E5E5"> be briefing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> his president</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the way</font> I was<font color="#E5E5E5"> briefing my Prime Minister Tony</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">then if this went wrong for them the</font> consequences<font color="#CCCCCC"> are after 9/11 would just</font> be huge<font color="#E5E5E5"> so I knew how they would feel</font> but we had to<font color="#E5E5E5"> ask them</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> please</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> trust us</font> we were sensitive<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the concerns of our</font> British partners<font color="#E5E5E5"> the contention we had</font> was<font color="#E5E5E5"> not what this was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about not that it</font> was no contention with regard to<font color="#E5E5E5"> its</font> seriousness but simply a dispute that's <font color="#E5E5E5">probably a fair enough word but between</font> friends<font color="#E5E5E5"> how long</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> do you let it run</font> before<font color="#CCCCCC"> you disrupt it as far</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> as we were</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">concerned we'd let it run if as long</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> as</font> we reasonably could but letting it run has a hidden assumption<font color="#E5E5E5"> and the</font> assumption is<font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you know enough about</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> know enough about all the</font> players that<font color="#CCCCCC"> there</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> isn't some element of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this plot</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that's actually ahead of the</font> other<font color="#CCCCCC"> element</font> John can't give me insurance we know where everybody is I remember the<font color="#CCCCCC"> tan out of the discussion</font> of you come<font color="#E5E5E5"> from this I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> mean what do you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">think of them are you sure you know what</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the date is involved and are you</font> confident<font color="#E5E5E5"> you can do this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I had a lot of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">faith in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the British</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> government</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> British</font> officials but<font color="#E5E5E5"> they're human as we are as</font> well and<font color="#E5E5E5"> there's no guarantee that</font> you're<font color="#E5E5E5"> capturing everything it's all</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">very well sitting over in America</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so why</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">don't you go and arrest them if we take</font> them into custody<font color="#CCCCCC"> too early</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and there is</font> nothing<font color="#CCCCCC"> to charge them with and we</font> release<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> releases</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> back into the</font> community a danger<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> certainly I</font> remember created a tension<font color="#CCCCCC"> between us</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that tension existed and as we moved</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">into August</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the tension became pretty</font> high [Music] <font color="#E5E5E5">ahmed ali khan on the 6th of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> august was</font> under<font color="#E5E5E5"> surveillance</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and he went into an</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">incident</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">our surveillance operatives</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> entered the</font> internet camera<font color="#E5E5E5"> lemur ones got a visual</font> online<font color="#E5E5E5"> Lee</font> [Music] lemur ones<font color="#E5E5E5"> go visual on lion roars</font> computer <font color="#E5E5E5">was it contacting can you see who is</font> emailing<font color="#CCCCCC"> them on</font> [Music] it's not emailing<font color="#E5E5E5"> what's he looking at</font> [Music] [Applause] flight times [Music] <font color="#CCCCCC">if something's playing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> together a</font> document <font color="#E5E5E5">dine rolls on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> his way out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> do you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> want</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">lemur once a target</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> no get</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> on that</font> computer [Applause] <font color="#E5E5E5">lemur ones recovering file</font> he cut and pasted<font color="#E5E5E5"> and downloaded details</font> over<font color="#E5E5E5"> seven transatlantic flights</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that's at</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> stage we'll begin</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> realize<font color="#E5E5E5"> exactly what's at stake</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> here</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> this is very big<font color="#E5E5E5"> it subsequently became</font> clear when<font color="#CCCCCC"> it's looked at and these were</font> flights<font color="#E5E5E5"> all leaving at or around the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">same time so that actually they'll all</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">be</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in the air at the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> same time</font> they would be brought down when they <font color="#E5E5E5">were dachshund</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> all over the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Atlantic</font> when the last<font color="#E5E5E5"> one had left Britain over</font> the sea but<font color="#E5E5E5"> the first one and the queue</font> had not yet reached learned in the United States<font color="#E5E5E5"> the idea was to do it far</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">enough out over the ocean</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> if the</font> word got<font color="#CCCCCC"> out that a plane had been blown</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">up the other planes would not have time</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to get</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> back</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to safety</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if it was suddenly</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">atlanta's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you're talking about 2,000</font> leaves [Music] we had alarm bells going off earlier but this really pushed the needle<font color="#E5E5E5"> into</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> red this was an armed<font color="#E5E5E5"> attack by an opposing</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">armed enemy force you know the short</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">word for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that is war</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and in the</font> objective and war is to kill<font color="#CCCCCC"> or capture</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> enemy and to prevent him from</font> attacking us the president was<font color="#CCCCCC"> aware of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this he knew</font> the danger clearly the view of our <font color="#CCCCCC">governments leadership was you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> know it's</font> time<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> move the preparations were</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">advancing at a pace</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that the hydrogen</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">peroxide had been bought everything was</font> actually in<font color="#E5E5E5"> place so in theory this</font> could<font color="#E5E5E5"> have happened within days we were</font> the timing of the<font color="#E5E5E5"> arrest was clearly a</font> matter<font color="#E5E5E5"> that we've been</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> thinking of for</font> some time but there's never a perfect <font color="#E5E5E5">time to make arrests</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> some people will</font> always<font color="#CCCCCC"> say concrete</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just varies a little</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">bit longer get the extra bit of vital</font> evidence<font color="#CCCCCC"> it's a judgement call</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in every</font> case<font color="#E5E5E5"> sadly in the UK we've had long</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">experience and making those judgment</font> calls<font color="#CCCCCC"> and I suppose it becomes a little</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">bit in a mixture of instinct and also</font> hard evidence<font color="#CCCCCC"> oh let</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just be really</font> candid<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's really hard to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> think of the</font> public diplomacy strategy to say yes we're<font color="#E5E5E5"> sorry the airliners went down but</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">we were delaying our disruption of the</font> plot<font color="#E5E5E5"> so we</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> could build up evidence</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font> was permissible<font color="#CCCCCC"> in court right there</font> there's<font color="#E5E5E5"> no</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> way to put that press release</font> together <font color="#CCCCCC">I think a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> few</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> see that this one was a</font> significant operation<font color="#E5E5E5"> Umar Islam had</font> conversations with<font color="#E5E5E5"> ahmed ali khan inside</font> the bond factory and the conversation from the<font color="#E5E5E5"> poem as I interpret it looked</font> as though they were talking<font color="#CCCCCC"> about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> taking</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">their wife and child on the flight</font> clearly that's a chilling thing to hear that individuals are willing<font color="#E5E5E5"> to take</font> their children<font color="#E5E5E5"> and their wife on a</font> flight that<font color="#CCCCCC"> they intend to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> destroy</font> [Music] <font color="#CCCCCC">I was based in the operations</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> room at</font> New Scotland Yard soon after I arrived in the ops<font color="#E5E5E5"> room I</font> was<font color="#E5E5E5"> made</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> aware that Islam and and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Ali</font> were in the<font color="#E5E5E5"> premises that we were</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">watching which we were referring to as</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> bomb factory we couldn't see them</font> but<font color="#CCCCCC"> we could hear woofs of conversation</font> it sounded like<font color="#E5E5E5"> Ali was sort</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of telling</font> or coaching Islam in a<font color="#CCCCCC"> very sort</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">leading way my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> colleagues hadn't heard</font> anything similar<font color="#E5E5E5"> before together we were</font> trying<font color="#E5E5E5"> to puzzle out what was actually</font> happening it was enough to<font color="#CCCCCC"> make</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> us concerned that</font> something untoward was was being prepared<font color="#CCCCCC"> I notified the senior</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">investigating officer and the National</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Coordinator</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of that development</font> from the audio surveillance<font color="#CCCCCC"> I had the</font> first indication<font color="#CCCCCC"> that they were</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> making</font> suicide videos to the people of the world this<font color="#E5E5E5"> is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> an</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> obligation on me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> as a</font> Muslim<font color="#E5E5E5"> to a jihad against the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Kafar I</font> say to you disbelievers<font color="#E5E5E5"> that as you bomb</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you will be bombed as you kill you will</font> be killed this<font color="#E5E5E5"> holders that they were nearing the</font> end of the preparation<font color="#CCCCCC"> phase</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and at the</font> making of the suicide<font color="#CCCCCC"> video sometimes</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">called the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> living will was the final</font> stages of<font color="#E5E5E5"> what they were preparing to do</font> and they were preparing<font color="#CCCCCC"> to die</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> single fact<font color="#E5E5E5"> was this cannot be allowed</font> to happen<font color="#CCCCCC"> and whatever we can</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> do to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> make</font> it<font color="#E5E5E5"> not</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> happen we need</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> do and we need</font> to do now we knew that<font color="#CCCCCC"> Ali would not go ahead</font> without ration<font color="#E5E5E5"> rails instructions</font> [Music] <font color="#E5E5E5">ralph was both the leader and the</font> controller<font color="#E5E5E5"> of this plot they hadn't had</font> to go<font color="#CCCCCC"> ahead</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> from Pakistan</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we knew that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was the state they're at</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so there</font> was no immediate<font color="#CCCCCC"> need to make arrests on</font> grounds of<font color="#CCCCCC"> public safety we were at the</font> beginning<font color="#CCCCCC"> of the week</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Angra decided to plan for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the arrests on</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the Friday there was such a strong</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">connection between</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> alia if Annie got</font> arrested<font color="#E5E5E5"> first then the like of it is</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> Ralph would leave if Ralph was</font> apprehended first<font color="#E5E5E5"> then there was the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">threat</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Ali</font> could flee and also destroy evidence so it's really important that<font color="#E5E5E5"> we</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have</font> control over<font color="#E5E5E5"> both these events than they</font> were carefully synchronized the pressure I had was significant<font color="#CCCCCC"> to do</font> the right thing and<font color="#E5E5E5"> to make the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> right</font> things happen<font color="#E5E5E5"> when they should happen so</font> in early<font color="#E5E5E5"> August</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> took a trip Paxton</font> [Music] and this plot<font color="#CCCCCC"> was the subject of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">conversation between me and our</font> Pakistani counterparts<font color="#CCCCCC"> his book</font> [Music] which said intelligence<font color="#E5E5E5"> with</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> Americans throughout this operation <font color="#E5E5E5">nobody told us that anyone from America</font> was going<font color="#CCCCCC"> to Pakistan so I go</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> Pakistan it's a natural<font color="#E5E5E5"> thing Pakistanis</font> are a good partner<font color="#E5E5E5"> they've assisted us</font> on a<font color="#E5E5E5"> regular basis as we get into the</font> room<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I speak to my counterpart</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Ashfaq</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> kyani</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the head of ISI we</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> narrow</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> down from how are you and get</font> acquainted<font color="#CCCCCC"> to the terrorism threat</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> threats to the<font color="#E5E5E5"> west</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to Rashid Rauf I</font> think the is<font color="#E5E5E5"> I appreciated the</font> importance of<font color="#CCCCCC"> Ralphs</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">then we had a very good record with the</font> ISI as<font color="#E5E5E5"> we say taking off the battlefield</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">al-qaida leadership</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if they were foolish</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">enough to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be in the settled regions of</font> Pakistan where<font color="#E5E5E5"> Roth was</font> I hadn't had a day or night off<font color="#E5E5E5"> because</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">of this for a few nights</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and in the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Wednesday</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> night</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I had a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> three-year</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">interlude which I was hugely looking</font> forward to<font color="#E5E5E5"> where my beloved Glasgow</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Celtic was playing Chelsea in London so</font> I didn't have<font color="#E5E5E5"> to leave London I was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">boat and I went along and watched the</font> first<font color="#E5E5E5"> 45</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> minutes</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and much to my</font> colleague Glasgow<font color="#CCCCCC"> so Edward winning</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> one</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">nothing just before half-time</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I got a</font> call that<font color="#E5E5E5"> said we may</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> need</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to combine to</font> the office<font color="#CCCCCC"> 10 minutes</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> later a very</font> urgent<font color="#E5E5E5"> quorum saying we are almost</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">certain you'll need to come by we've</font> sent cows for you<font color="#E5E5E5"> and five</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> minutes</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> later</font> I<font color="#E5E5E5"> was told in no uncertain terms</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font> know how to<font color="#CCCCCC"> leave</font> we went<font color="#E5E5E5"> through London</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> at a pace that I</font> had never<font color="#E5E5E5"> gone in for I never really</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">want to again</font> [Music] and I was taken straight<font color="#E5E5E5"> to the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Home</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Office when</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they told me that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> bruh she</font> drove the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Pakistani end of the</font> connection had been arrested<font color="#E5E5E5"> by</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> Pakistan authorities ralph was arrested <font color="#CCCCCC">while I was in Pakistan right I am NOT</font> claiming<font color="#E5E5E5"> and will not claim cause</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">effect</font> I made no demands<font color="#E5E5E5"> but it is a fact that</font> Rashid Rauf<font color="#E5E5E5"> was arrested while I was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">visiting</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> my Pakistani counterpart and I</font> know as a fact that the<font color="#E5E5E5"> arrest of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> ralph</font> could be viewed as how would you<font color="#E5E5E5"> want to</font> put it<font color="#E5E5E5"> in accelerant</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to actions that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">would have to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be taken</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in Great Britain</font> I discovered that<font color="#CCCCCC"> Rafa</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> being arrested at</font> about<font color="#CCCCCC"> 8 o'clock</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the evening of August</font> the 9th<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I was actually in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> my office</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">at Scotland Yard when I heard that not</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">particularly</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> welcome news</font> it was<font color="#E5E5E5"> quickly realized that this could</font> compromise our operation<font color="#E5E5E5"> from a personal</font> point of view<font color="#CCCCCC"> I believe</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that's a break</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">into the trust that we had between</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">America and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> ourselves</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this wasn't a case</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">of the Americans</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> trying to get the</font> Pakistanis to<font color="#E5E5E5"> do something for the for</font> the express<font color="#CCCCCC"> purpose of leveraging</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> or</font> blackmailing our british partners it happened that way and as I said<font color="#E5E5E5"> before I</font> wasn't<font color="#CCCCCC"> unhappy</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if Ally Sawa</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> or any of</font> the others<font color="#E5E5E5"> got to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hear the RUF</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> being</font> arrested<font color="#CCCCCC"> in Pakistan we don't know what</font> their reaction would have been they could flee or they could equally desolate their bombs here in the<font color="#E5E5E5"> UK</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">before</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they get</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> arrested there was no a</font> critical national<font color="#E5E5E5"> emergency -</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Ali Khan</font> was sitting in an internet cafe waiting <font color="#E5E5E5">for a communication from Rashid Rauf</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">from Pakistan we realized he probably</font> had a shelf life of two or three<font color="#E5E5E5"> hours</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">before this started to disintegrate</font> [Music] you having heard that<font color="#CCCCCC"> ruff</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was arrested we</font> had to move into what's called<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">executive action phase</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in other words we</font> had<font color="#E5E5E5"> to arrest all the people involved in</font> this as soon<font color="#E5E5E5"> as</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we could the day we were</font> told the arrests were going to occur<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> fear<font color="#E5E5E5"> was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that those people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> would</font> immediately go to the airport get on plans<font color="#E5E5E5"> to try to at least salvage some of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the plot</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the thing that had to be done</font> from<font color="#E5E5E5"> the start</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was talked to the other</font> authorities around the<font color="#E5E5E5"> world</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to get</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> them</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to starting with the next flights out to</font> ban liquids one of the concerns<font color="#E5E5E5"> that we</font> had was insider<font color="#E5E5E5"> help</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> did they have</font> somebody<font color="#CCCCCC"> working inside a UK</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> airport in</font> any capacity<font color="#CCCCCC"> because</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it is part of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">al-qaeda plotting to get help from</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> inside if they can <font color="#CCCCCC">I had a phone call from</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> DI</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so don't</font> go home suddenly we need to bring what was a plan being formulated<font color="#CCCCCC"> to the for the</font> arrest<font color="#CCCCCC"> phase was an adrenaline rush yes</font> it was because<font color="#CCCCCC"> it wasn't pre-planned the</font> way we wanted it there are two rooms running in response to this<font color="#CCCCCC"> the surveillance</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> has an</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Operations room</font> in another office<font color="#E5E5E5"> is a sport of history</font> which was set up<font color="#E5E5E5"> literally</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the night</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">sounds a bit old-fashioned now but we</font> put<font color="#E5E5E5"> whiteboards up there with the names</font> of all<font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> suspects</font> he needs to<font color="#CCCCCC"> get everybody it was</font> available to the yard<font color="#E5E5E5"> as quickly as</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">possible</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 300 officers came in to</font> Scotland Yard<font color="#E5E5E5"> within</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> two hours</font> [Music] it was too<font color="#E5E5E5"> busy to think about stress</font> there's too much to be done<font color="#CCCCCC"> I was in</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">operations room</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I was instructed to</font> deploy officers and<font color="#E5E5E5"> maneuver arrest</font> teams into position the surveillance team leader that<font color="#CCCCCC"> was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">covering Sawa</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was reporting</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> as</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Sal</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was</font> in his car<font color="#E5E5E5"> and moving towards London if</font> I can only arrest one person at night <font color="#E5E5E5">that person was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> gonna be solved if he</font> had the explosives he was in a position <font color="#E5E5E5">to make the attack happen if I could</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">take him</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> out of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the game then maybe</font> their operation won't work at all <font color="#E5E5E5">John was available</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so I deployed John to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">arrest Seoul because of the urgency</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the situation I was told that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the next</font> two people<font color="#CCCCCC"> that walked into a door</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I was</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> take them up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and linking with the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">surveillance team leader who was</font> following<font color="#E5E5E5"> us and so on</font> at that time he was<font color="#CCCCCC"> travelling towards</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Wolfenstein there was a rush</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> from</font> Scotland Yard up to the ends of Stoke<font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> had two<font color="#E5E5E5"> other officers with me</font> there was a lot of pressure<font color="#E5E5E5"> on all of us</font> because<font color="#CCCCCC"> there was a lot of radio traffic</font> a lot<font color="#E5E5E5"> of communications they've got a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">phone's ringing all the time I was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font> constant<font color="#E5E5E5"> contact that's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a tireless team</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">leader rich food is turning left</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> into</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">whorfin Stowe town or</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> car park I'm</font> Tanika carpark has two entrances one <font color="#CCCCCC">onto that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> road</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> another</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a forest road the</font> fact that<font color="#E5E5E5"> Sowell had</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> traveled from</font> Thames Valley area<font color="#E5E5E5"> to East London</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> meant</font> that something significant was<font color="#E5E5E5"> going to</font> happen [Music] <font color="#E5E5E5">line was my father</font> [Music] <font color="#E5E5E5">blowing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> war is turning left into</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">challenge I think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he's headed for the</font> town<font color="#CCCCCC"> room it seemed a significant point</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">of the operation if the ringleader meets</font> with the quartermaster it could well be <font color="#CCCCCC">that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they were bringing forward or</font> bringing<font color="#E5E5E5"> on the attack phase of their</font> operation there's<font color="#E5E5E5"> confusion because the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">communication</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> between me and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">surveillance team leader was temporarily</font> broken<font color="#E5E5E5"> for whatever reason the last</font> communication<font color="#E5E5E5"> I remember having the</font> surveillance<font color="#E5E5E5"> team leader is that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they</font> were<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the front of Horton Stowe town</font> hall and we needed<font color="#E5E5E5"> to make</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that arrest I</font> was then<font color="#E5E5E5"> faced with</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the situation I had</font> my two main players together<font color="#CCCCCC"> a golden</font> opportunity<font color="#CCCCCC"> to arrest them both</font> the surveillance<font color="#CCCCCC"> offices were</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> present</font> [Music] but<font color="#E5E5E5"> actually no arresting in place</font> questions what do I do the coming together of Ahmed Ali Khan and Salman was<font color="#E5E5E5"> a major event</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I walk</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> down</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> the operations room and instructed</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that those individuals should</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be</font> arrested<font color="#CCCCCC"> straightaway walk up hands-on</font> we didn't have arrest teams<font color="#E5E5E5"> nearby</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> the decision was<font color="#CCCCCC"> made to send in the</font> surveillance teams to undertake the arrest which is something<font color="#E5E5E5"> we never do</font> but<font color="#E5E5E5"> in these circumstances it was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">critical</font> [Music] woke<font color="#E5E5E5"> up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hands-on</font> [Music] it's quite a<font color="#E5E5E5"> heart-stopping moment to be</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">honest because the question is is</font> everybody<font color="#E5E5E5"> safe whilst you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> can monitor</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and listen</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to the radio the truth</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">matter is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that you're sending</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">into the unknown</font> so<font color="#E5E5E5"> I looked over</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I looked in the boot</font> something's going on you've got<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">ringleader</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in the quartermaster</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and now</font> there's something<font color="#CCCCCC"> in the boot you know</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">what is it there's the risk of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> explosive</font> material being readily<font color="#E5E5E5"> so hard we're</font> dealing with terrorists these are people who<font color="#E5E5E5"> are desperate</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they are committed and</font> they're<font color="#CCCCCC"> ruthless</font> [Music] when we arrived<font color="#E5E5E5"> the surveillance</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> census</font> had actually stepped out from<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> shadows you got out<font color="#E5E5E5"> of the car</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> very quickly ran</font> up towards<font color="#CCCCCC"> sidewalk grabs hold of him</font> turned him<font color="#CCCCCC"> over and then told him</font> exactly<font color="#E5E5E5"> who we were the reason for his</font> arrest the two main players were<font color="#CCCCCC"> and we're now</font> out<font color="#CCCCCC"> of the game it was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a good start of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the evening one by one</font> throughout<font color="#E5E5E5"> the night the suspects were</font> all arrested<font color="#E5E5E5"> some in the street some in</font> their homes<font color="#E5E5E5"> some in vehicles some people</font> may find this<font color="#E5E5E5"> hard to believe there were</font> no armed police deployed that night<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">entire operation was carried out by</font> unarmed officers I'm not sure when they set<font color="#CCCCCC"> upon it that the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> police were</font> convinced that they could get everyone<font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font> think<font color="#CCCCCC"> as they gradually picked everybody</font> up<font color="#E5E5E5"> it began to dawn on them that the</font> city was hugely successful<font color="#E5E5E5"> overnight</font> operation quite tiring<font color="#E5E5E5"> and certainly I</font> seem<font color="#CCCCCC"> to recall that two days before I</font> got<font color="#CCCCCC"> back to bed but that's what goes</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">with the job security services are</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">saying a major terrorist plot like this</font> plot being carried<font color="#E5E5E5"> out the loss of life</font> to innocent<font color="#E5E5E5"> civilians would have been on</font> an unprecedented scale<font color="#E5E5E5"> the recent</font> arrests are a stark reminder<font color="#CCCCCC"> that this</font> nation is at war with Islamic fascists<font color="#E5E5E5"> after the arrests</font> there are some very significant<font color="#CCCCCC"> fines</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">when</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we're</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> conducting searches of houses</font> in<font color="#E5E5E5"> particular assets ours house hidden</font> in the roof of<font color="#E5E5E5"> his</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> garage</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was a tape and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">on that tape there were five suicide</font> videos this<font color="#E5E5E5"> is revenge for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the actions</font> of the USA<font color="#CCCCCC"> in the Muslim lands and their</font> and their<font color="#E5E5E5"> conferences such</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> as the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">British</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and yeah and the Jews</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">yeah warned you so many time</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> together</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">while that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> learn</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> leave us a lot but you</font> persisted in trying<font color="#CCCCCC"> to mediate a killer</font> it is quite clear<font color="#E5E5E5"> to me the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Ahmed Ali</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">count and all of those who made suicide</font> videos wanted notoriety<font color="#E5E5E5"> they were</font> looking to<font color="#E5E5E5"> make this bigger</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> than 911</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> all the non-believers<font color="#E5E5E5"> or the non-muslims</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">they let</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> me know that you can never win</font> in<font color="#E5E5E5"> this war never can you win in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> this</font> war [Music] we've now gone<font color="#CCCCCC"> through</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a series of</font> trials<font color="#E5E5E5"> producing a massive amount of</font> evidence<font color="#E5E5E5"> and as a result of that a</font> number<font color="#E5E5E5"> of individuals have been</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">convicted of terrorist</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> offences I am</font> satisfied<font color="#E5E5E5"> that the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Security Service</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> the police<font color="#E5E5E5"> have saved thousands of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> lives</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> they have prevented a mass disaster</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that would have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> changed a lot</font> when<font color="#E5E5E5"> Rashid Ralph</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> escaped it was clear</font> to<font color="#CCCCCC"> me that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> not really kosher</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that something really was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> miss</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you and</font> that that he was permitted<font color="#E5E5E5"> to escape I</font> think the story<font color="#CCCCCC"> was something about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he</font> was being<font color="#E5E5E5"> moved between locations and</font> they stopped at a McDonald's and<font color="#E5E5E5"> then he</font> had to<font color="#E5E5E5"> go pray and then with anybody see</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Rashid where Rashid go yeah we were bit</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">let me just say nonplussed</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> by</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">very disappointed and very</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> angry Rashid</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Rauf</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> goes into the tribal region and</font> begins to<font color="#E5E5E5"> re-energize his activity</font> begins to try to reconnect<font color="#E5E5E5"> and we begin</font> to try<font color="#CCCCCC"> to find</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> him</font> yet<font color="#CCCCCC"> again a British terror suspect</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is</font> reportedly killed in<font color="#CCCCCC"> Pakistan</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> there are</font> claims<font color="#E5E5E5"> of Rashid Rauf has died in a u.s.</font> missile attack it's generally believed <font color="#E5E5E5">that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> rashid ralph was killed suddenly</font> and with<font color="#CCCCCC"> precision I think is the way</font> the press accounts would<font color="#E5E5E5"> describe it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> I<font color="#E5E5E5"> must admit that's a good thing I've</font> heard<font color="#CCCCCC"> rumors as everybody that he's dead</font> I don't know if that's the<font color="#E5E5E5"> case or not</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">government agents haven't actually seen</font> the body the local militants<font color="#E5E5E5"> have</font> cordoned off the area<font color="#E5E5E5"> so it might be</font> quite difficult to ultimately get real confirmation<font color="#E5E5E5"> of his death some cite the</font> Pakistani<font color="#E5E5E5"> and the American authorities</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">want us to think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he's dead because</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">actually he's being tortured in a cell</font> somewhere <font color="#E5E5E5">this individual this evil individual was</font> now at last dead and<font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> believed him</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">be</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> very much</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> deceased at this stage</font> nobody<font color="#CCCCCC"> there he's deceased</font> [Music] you
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Length: 71min 32sec (4292 seconds)
Published: Sat Jun 02 2018
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Pretty sure this is from 2011.

Great documentary though, I've been looking for it for a while. Thanks.

👍︎︎ 12 👤︎︎ u/Sylvester88 📅︎︎ Oct 24 2018 🗫︎ replies

Oh the joys of British TV - no time wasted recapping what was shown a few minutes earlier!

👍︎︎ 5 👤︎︎ u/wuckingmordsfuddled 📅︎︎ Oct 25 2018 🗫︎ replies

Fascinating account of espionage.

👍︎︎ 2 👤︎︎ u/designgods 📅︎︎ Oct 25 2018 🗫︎ replies

Wow this was really interesting. Learning about real espionage as opposed to Hollywood was fascinating. I would love to find more documentaries that focus on it.

👍︎︎ 2 👤︎︎ u/omg__really 📅︎︎ Oct 25 2018 🗫︎ replies

if you want a funny take on terrorism i recommend watching 4 lions great comedy from the UK

👍︎︎ 2 👤︎︎ u/Praydaythemice 📅︎︎ Oct 25 2018 🗫︎ replies
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