The Law You Won't Be Told

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I appreciate the Einstein.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 83 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/PapaHudge πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 12 2014 πŸ—«︎ replies

When I saw the beginning of the video I expected to start raging in the comments here after it was done. As an attorney whenever I see jury nullification brought up online its usually very, very biased, unnuanced, and often bat shit stupid.

However, I thought this video did a pretty good job explaining it objectively. Kudos!

If you're interested in learning more about jury nullification I'd strongly advise against googling it, there are a lot of jury nullification wackos out there. This is a great article about jury nullification that objectively analyzes and discusses it.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 166 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/ONE_GUY_ONE_JAR πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 12 2014 πŸ—«︎ replies

Really great video, grey. You are awesome.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 68 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/Devam13 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 12 2014 πŸ—«︎ replies

I love the 12 angry men reference

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 43 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/MyNameDontAsk πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 12 2014 πŸ—«︎ replies

PRAISE BE TO HIM, A NEW GREY VIDEO HAS BEEN DELIVERED UPON US.

Great video, interesting stuff. I always knew this was something possible, but I had no idea it was formally defined.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 49 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/maybedawn πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 12 2014 πŸ—«︎ replies

You know in Scotland they have guilty, not guilty and not proven - real surprised you didn't mention it.ο»Ώ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_proven

You should have probably said a specific country since jury nullification (and hell juries) only exist in some countries. I mean I guess everyone assumes you're talking about the USA, but eh you didn't say so... And you have the USA number and the USA seal but I'm sure some people don't watch just listen.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 49 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/RMcD94 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 12 2014 πŸ—«︎ replies

YOU HAVE A SUBREDDIT! This is just awesome.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 45 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/XTC-FTW πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 12 2014 πŸ—«︎ replies

Grey, you introduced me to Reddit. Just wanted to say THANK YOU!

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 24 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/fenrirGrey πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 12 2014 πŸ—«︎ replies

Would love to hear on your next podcast with Brady the topic of "are there some topics I'd like to do but I've chosen not to for the greater good et al"

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On a Jury you know your options: guilty, or not. But there's another choice that neither the judge nor the lawyers will tell you -- often because they're not allowed to and also it might better if you don't know. This video will tell you that third choice, but be warned: simply watching may prevent you from ever serving on a jury -- so this is your last chance to hit the pause button before you learn about... Jury nullification: when the defendant is 100% beyond-a-reasonable-doubt guilty but the jurors also think he shouldn't be punished. The jury can nullify the law and let him go free. But before your on your next jury and yell 'Null! Booya!' at the judge you should know that just talking about jury nullification in the wrong circumstances can get you arrested. Though a video such as this one, simply acknowledging the existence of jury nullification and in no way advocating it is totally OK. And, while we're at it: (CGP Grey is not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, it is meant for entertainment purposes only. Seriously, guy, don't do anything in a court of law based on what an Internet Video told you. No joke.) So why can't you do this? It's because nullification isn't in the law , but exists as a logical consequence of two other laws: First: that juries can't be punished for a wrong decision -- no matter the witnesses, DNA evidence or video proof show. That's the point of a jury: to be the decider. and, Second: when a defendant is found not-guilty, that defendant can't be tried again for the same crime. So there are only two stated options: guilty or not, it's just that jury nullification is when the words of the jurors don't match their thoughts -- for which they can't be punished and their not-guilty decision can't be changed. These laws are necessary for juries to exist within a fair system, but the logical consequence is... contentious -- lawyers and judges argue about jury nullification like physicists argue about quantum mechanics. Both are difficult to observe and the interpretation of both has a huge philosophical ramification for the subject as a whole. Is nullification the righteous will of the people or an anarchy of twelve or just how citizens judge their laws? The go-to example in favor of nullification is the fugitive slave law: when Northern juries refused to convict escaped slaves and set them free. Can't argue with that. But the anarchy side is Southern juries refusing to convict lynch mobs. Not humanity at its best. But both of these are juries nullifying the law. Also juries have two options where their thoughts may differ from their words. Jury nullification usually refers to the non-guilty version but juries can convict without evidence just as easily as they can acquit in spite of it. This is jury nullification too and the jurors are protected by the first rule, though the second doesn't apply and judges have the power to overrule a guilty verdict if they think the jurors are… nt the best. And, of course, a guilty defendant can appeal, at least for a little while. Which makes the guilty form of jury nullification weaker than the not-guilty kind. Cold comfort, though. Given the possibility of jurors who might ignore the law as written, it's not surprising when picking jurors for a trial, lawyers -- whose existence is dependent on an orderly society -- will ask about nullification, usually in the slightly roundabout way: "Do you have any beliefs that might prevent you from making a decision based strictly on the law?" If after learning about jury nullification you think it's a good idea: answer 'yes' and you'll be rejected, but answer 'no' with the intent to get on the jury to nullify and you've just committed perjury -- technically a federal crime -- which makes the optimal strategy once on a jury to zip it. But This introduces a problem for jurors who intend to nullify: telling the other 11 angry men about your position is risky, which makes nullification as a tool for fixing unjust laws nation wide problematic. (Not to mention about 95% of criminal charges in the United States never make it to trial and rather end in a plea bargain, but that's a story for another time.) The only question about jury nullification that may matter is if jurors should be told about it and the courts are near universal in their decision: 'no way'. Which, again, might seem self-interested -- courts depend on the law -- but there's evidence that telling jurors about nullification changes the way they vote by making evidence less relevant -- which isn't surprising: that's what nullification is. But mock trials also show sympathetic defendants get more non-guilty verdicts and unsympathetic defendants get more guilty verdicts in front of jurors who were explicitly told about nullification compared to those who weren't. Which sounds bad, but it also isn't difficult to imagine situations where jurors blindly following the law would be terribly unjust -- which is the heart of nullification: juries judge the law, not solely evidence. In the end righteous will of the people, or anarchy, or citizen lawmaking -- the system leaves you to decide -- but as long as courts are fair they require these rules, so jury nullification will always be with us.
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Channel: CGP Grey
Views: 12,138,008
Rating: 4.928093 out of 5
Keywords: cgpgrey, education, Lawyer (Occupation), Judge (Profession), Law (Professional Field), crime
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Length: 4min 30sec (270 seconds)
Published: Wed Feb 12 2014
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