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[Music] whenever we look<font color="#CCCCCC"> at</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the past</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> there</font> always<font color="#E5E5E5"> has to be a logical sensible</font> reason why<font color="#E5E5E5"> everything happened but</font> sometimes you come<font color="#CCCCCC"> across</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> an event where</font> however hard you try<font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> can't find a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">normal sensible reason for it which is</font> why<font color="#E5E5E5"> we call those events the paranormal</font> and I'll go look at these phenomena in a really open-minded way to see if I can find<font color="#E5E5E5"> out what the truth actually is I'm</font> working<font color="#CCCCCC"> with Becky McCall she's a</font> science journalist<font color="#E5E5E5"> she's also very</font> skeptical which may help because we're investigating the case of Helen Duncan <font color="#E5E5E5">and I was fairly accurate wartime medium</font> could<font color="#CCCCCC"> begin</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the last person</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> jailed</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">under the witchcraft act of I worried</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">would</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have claims taken so seriously</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> mi Holly got involved really a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">threat to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> national security or</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> ghosts of dead servicemen<font color="#E5E5E5"> telling a</font> secret<font color="#CCCCCC"> they should</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> never</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have known</font> [Music] when do you<font color="#CCCCCC"> think the last time was that</font> someone in the UK was put in prison<font color="#E5E5E5"> for</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">being of which military were involved</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the secret services they were all</font> paranoid<font color="#CCCCCC"> the whole country is on a war</font> footing<font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it has the be a taking time</font> out to<font color="#E5E5E5"> try this woman Helen Duncan from</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">witchcraft of the old Baker</font> we're talking 1944 so it's getting<font color="#E5E5E5"> there</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Dido</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she was some</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> kind of medium some</font> kind<font color="#E5E5E5"> of psychic apparently is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she going</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to some sort of psychic</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> trance</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">seances and she'd come out with stuff</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that she couldn't possibly</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> known</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was state secrets</font> it was<font color="#CCCCCC"> correct away I know maybe</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> she</font> really was a witch<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the 1930s and 40s</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">spiritualism</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was huge</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to mediums all</font> over the place but this meant Duncan<font color="#E5E5E5"> appears to have</font> been such a threat to national<font color="#E5E5E5"> security</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> they locked her up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> military</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">intelligence</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> really believed she was</font> communicating with<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> dead Helens</font> granddaughter lives here in<font color="#CCCCCC"> Edinburgh</font> she knew Helen<font color="#CCCCCC"> actually went to her</font> seances sort of woman<font color="#E5E5E5"> washing black</font> almost larger than life would you walked into verbs you just <font color="#E5E5E5">seem to dominate that all room do you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">remember the first</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> time that you</font> realized that<font color="#E5E5E5"> she'd got some sort of</font> special powers<font color="#E5E5E5"> it six seven</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> years old</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the time I went</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> sleep</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> name talking</font> esteemed voices<font color="#CCCCCC"> was it 16</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I was allowed</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> go to propose</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> EOG's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and sit in what do you see</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I saw this</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">coming up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> from from eyes nose and their</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">mouth and it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> gradually</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> break down</font> over<font color="#E5E5E5"> her chest</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what was it it was just</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">wait and dazzling wait material hope she</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">arrested for she was arrested as a spy</font> and<font color="#CCCCCC"> the traitor but they had to change</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it in the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> broadness</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Walter it's a fact</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">from 1735 the question is giving her</font> information<font color="#CCCCCC"> about ships once it would</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">mean something it was part of a convoy</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and the German sub torpedoed it and they</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">weighed down</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> with all hands</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it sticked</font> me file [Music] miksa well I thought<font color="#E5E5E5"> some</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> nice stuff and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">quite shocking</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> actually</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a physical</font> manifestation<font color="#E5E5E5"> real things appearing in</font> teachers<font color="#E5E5E5"> living</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> rooms and what better</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">ship</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> or the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> father</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> well</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I mean</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">mimic legwork investigating it certainly</font> does<font color="#E5E5E5"> sound a Social Security</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was</font> involved in some<font color="#CCCCCC"> right if we really want</font> to find<font color="#E5E5E5"> out what happened to Helen</font> Duncan then I'm going to need to get <font color="#E5E5E5">much closer to the evidence on my way to</font> Portsmouth<font color="#E5E5E5"> where she conducted a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> seance</font> where the facts about<font color="#CCCCCC"> hms Barham came</font> out and which ultimately led<font color="#E5E5E5"> to her</font> being condemned this<font color="#E5E5E5"> is where Helen</font> Duncan it is a<font color="#CCCCCC"> census when she came down</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">support</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> circles LC yes this was a</font> spiritualist<font color="#E5E5E5"> Church in fact over a cash</font> shop this<font color="#CCCCCC"> is where she came to do or her</font> physical sciences here<font color="#E5E5E5"> in Portsmouth and</font> the room<font color="#CCCCCC"> fees were held in is in here</font> yeah<font color="#E5E5E5"> and amazingly there would be 30</font> people crammed in here in blackout conditions<font color="#E5E5E5"> hoping to see their loved</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">ones and speak to their loved ones</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">through her mediumship she would sit</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on</font> a chair<font color="#E5E5E5"> over</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that corner</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> with a</font> curtain recess which should<font color="#E5E5E5"> spiritualist</font> call a cabinet here's<font color="#E5E5E5"> mrs. Duncan and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the cavaletti</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">next strawberries</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just like a nice cozy</font> little<font color="#E5E5E5"> room there's left absolutely</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font> was<font color="#CCCCCC"> a wartime</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> here in Portsmouth</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so many</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">people have lost loved ones and for them</font> it<font color="#E5E5E5"> was an opportunity possibly to see</font> them again so how<font color="#CCCCCC"> would she actually</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have conducted</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> sales she would have gone into a</font> trance very quickly<font color="#E5E5E5"> and then the voice</font> of Albert<font color="#E5E5E5"> her spirit guide usually he</font> acted as the master of<font color="#E5E5E5"> ceremonies</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> would speak to the<font color="#E5E5E5"> sitter's and then</font> spirits would begin coming out of the cabinet now you have to remember<font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">lighting was very dim as a red light</font> above<font color="#E5E5E5"> the cabinet and those that were at</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> back and go back</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> oh</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I didn't get</font> good view but people that were<font color="#CCCCCC"> close-up</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">said that they could recognize their</font> loved ones and<font color="#E5E5E5"> that's how they</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">communicated what happened on the night</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> she announced at the bar</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Ahmad so</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">as I understand it what happened was a</font> spirit came out of the cabinet<font color="#E5E5E5"> okay out</font> of<font color="#CCCCCC"> there</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he gave his name as</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Sid</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and he</font> spoke<font color="#E5E5E5"> to his mother and I understand</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he was wearing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a hat with</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hms</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> borne</font> upon it over<font color="#CCCCCC"> 60</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> years</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> ago there were</font> maybe<font color="#E5E5E5"> 35</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people in this room when</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">suddenly a spirit</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> announces</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that this</font> major British ship has been sunk<font color="#E5E5E5"> and no</font> one could know<font color="#E5E5E5"> that that had happened</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it was top</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> secret</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it was until that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">moment</font> [Music] was come on Duncan<font color="#E5E5E5"> mad revealing a state</font> secret in the middle of a<font color="#E5E5E5"> world war</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">because apparently at that moment in</font> 1941<font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> only people who knew the ship</font> had gone<font color="#E5E5E5"> down with those</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> who saw it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">those</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that funny little</font> upstairs room in Portsmouth did this<font color="#CCCCCC"> Sid</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">who was apparently burnt to death on the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Barham really exists</font> look I've been<font color="#CCCCCC"> hunting through some old</font> dungarees from<font color="#E5E5E5"> 1941 and found some</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">interesting facts apparently mi5 sent</font> you officers to Portsmouth<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> investigate this sirens<font color="#E5E5E5"> sale but did it</font> really happen like<font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font> did the<font color="#CCCCCC"> Barham sales</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> really take place</font> before<font color="#E5E5E5"> the authorities released news of</font> it really good<font color="#E5E5E5"> for us</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> there's a socket</font> here<font color="#E5E5E5"> which</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> lifts</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the naval gains and</font> losses<font color="#E5E5E5"> November in December 1941 gains</font> and losses of larger ships<font color="#E5E5E5"> do not take</font> into<font color="#E5E5E5"> account the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> loss of HMS foreign</font> tactics and the announcement officially <font color="#E5E5E5">according</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to newspaper</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the time with in</font> February casualties in HMS<font color="#CCCCCC"> Barham so</font> that three months after the<font color="#CCCCCC"> navy knew</font> that is<font color="#E5E5E5"> South before it appeared</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">time and then the mi5 officer died</font> little yeah<font color="#CCCCCC"> and he actually makes some</font> mention of this<font color="#E5E5E5"> look</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> here</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the barroom</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">case</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> had come up once more the medium</font> produced a drowned<font color="#E5E5E5"> sailor course it</font> which is the name that Roy told<font color="#E5E5E5"> me this</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">morning</font> so it was recognized<font color="#CCCCCC"> by several</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> people</font> present at<font color="#E5E5E5"> the sounds</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I said he</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was one</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">of the crew with Sydney</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that apparently</font> appeared<font color="#E5E5E5"> was the officer so we have his</font> name<font color="#CCCCCC"> if it took me we know he's a petty</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">officer when I was on the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> bottom we know</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">is on the bottom so I went to the bar</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and website and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> lists all the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> petty</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">officers so we've got submit fryer</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">submit class kid and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Sydney brew tea</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">which of the three</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is likely to be our</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">DRAM</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> salient</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I looked at the details of</font> their<font color="#CCCCCC"> addresses where they came from</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and one actually</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> came from cotton all</font> it was cotton<font color="#E5E5E5"> a road where the sounds</font> took place is that just a coincidence<font color="#E5E5E5"> or</font> could this man be<font color="#CCCCCC"> our dead sailor</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> okay</font> here<font color="#CCCCCC"> flyer sa Sydney 9041 stoke</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a petty</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">lobster so any names</font> yeah 800 800 800 died<font color="#CCCCCC"> it's good</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">don't die well coming together Bailey</font> [Music] <font color="#E5E5E5">what do we do now well as far as I'm</font> concerned I'd like to know why<font color="#CCCCCC"> specially</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> believed and intoxicated while if</font> she<font color="#E5E5E5"> wasn't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> talking to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the dead then what</font> other<font color="#E5E5E5"> explanation is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that I have to say</font> sales is themselves<font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> completely out</font> of my comfort<font color="#E5E5E5"> zone</font> I'm going to get<font color="#E5E5E5"> this place</font> [Music] it now seems pretty clear that the announcement<font color="#CCCCCC"> mark medium Helen Duncan</font> but<font color="#CCCCCC"> major miss</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Barham and sulk during</font> the Second<font color="#CCCCCC"> World War was the myth</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we</font> know a seance took place and we think <font color="#E5E5E5">that the actual spirit that gave the</font> announcement<font color="#CCCCCC"> blow to chapel's Sydney</font> fryer who was a petty officer who died on<font color="#CCCCCC"> the Barham mostly took place</font> ourselves himself<font color="#E5E5E5"> we're much less clear</font> about which is why now going<font color="#E5E5E5"> to a spiritualist Church and</font> haven't there Portsmouth as I<font color="#CCCCCC"> would find</font> it you don't often see seances<font color="#E5E5E5"> anymore like</font> Helen Duncan's in 1941<font color="#CCCCCC"> but there are</font> still<font color="#E5E5E5"> places like spiritualist churches</font> where people<font color="#CCCCCC"> try to communicate</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> with the</font> dead my<font color="#E5E5E5"> communication happened is because</font> there is<font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> connection of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> love that</font> exists between you and that<font color="#E5E5E5"> person is</font> passed to<font color="#CCCCCC"> the spirit world and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so what I</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">would say to its night range is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just a</font> remain open and also<font color="#E5E5E5"> remember</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to use</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">your voice</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> okay</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> can restart the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">experiment</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I can hear in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> my mind hear</font> what sounds<font color="#CCCCCC"> like metal</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> crunching I know</font> that there<font color="#E5E5E5"> was some kind of a collision</font> here<font color="#CCCCCC"> I feel like I'm in the middle</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> area</font> with our<font color="#E5E5E5"> native igloo I just get this</font> gross from emotion from<font color="#E5E5E5"> this gentleman</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and I know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I've talked about him</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> they were</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> touching stronger</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but</font> it's just that mean<font color="#CCCCCC"> he couldn't tell him</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">okay it's just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> can say control</font> just control of the column went into a <font color="#E5E5E5">Rowling's and abruptly and sing with</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">really darling I just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> can hear metal</font> crashing at least and laughter he came <font color="#E5E5E5">very close</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to me</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and I've</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> smoked</font> drumming to humidor I know<font color="#E5E5E5"> there is a</font> link that<font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have if you guys because</font> it makes me<font color="#E5E5E5"> wanting</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to talk to you and</font> taking<font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> play told of the dream</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was</font> real so there's something here<font color="#E5E5E5"> about a</font> dream<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you had but if</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I cleanse your</font> question is authenticity<font color="#E5E5E5"> engine</font> respectfully<font color="#CCCCCC"> claiming the dream</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was real</font> it's<font color="#CCCCCC"> standing now just let's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> assume</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Darlene okay and I know this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> father's</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">chest</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> wasn't the issue</font> and I know it was <font color="#CCCCCC">studies in having</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> or feel like again a</font> lung disease on<font color="#CCCCCC"> am senior to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the center</font> in<font color="#CCCCCC"> feeding like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it London filled with</font> fluid<font color="#E5E5E5"> he other motels to you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he's making</font> a<font color="#CCCCCC"> very conscious against</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that first time</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">around</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he didn't pay much attention is</font> just<font color="#E5E5E5"> there</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> okay in ever be a god-loving</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">okay</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it's got me confused</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> one minute he</font> seems to know everything<font color="#CCCCCC"> you're</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> next</font> he's clutching at straws<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> largest</font> anybody at all<font color="#E5E5E5"> okay Tom shouted you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">seems to now can he make stunts I can't</font> anymore<font color="#CCCCCC"> oh there we go okay Tamara come</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">on funny</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> me belong</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to I need to talk</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to a lady loses a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> hairdresser she wants</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> talk to the hairdresser</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and I feel</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> there lady I want to talk to us</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">would have done this lady's hand would</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you understand things you Mary Fox would</font> have<font color="#E5E5E5"> been my love he doesn't feel right</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> would thank</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you many I just</font> normally get<font color="#CCCCCC"> appalled enshrined I was</font> drawn across here but I'm not<font color="#CCCCCC"> sure</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm</font> hearing<font color="#E5E5E5"> at an Irish accent</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> an Irish</font> gentleman's voice and I feel at fault to talk<font color="#CCCCCC"> about some his dad</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> who's Irish</font> that's my<font color="#E5E5E5"> product that's your line</font> lovely<font color="#E5E5E5"> okay</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Pat feed you because I'm</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">just very worried man without being</font> unkind<font color="#E5E5E5"> truth if they can't guard it if</font> you didn't get<font color="#CCCCCC"> listen</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just get</font> louder<font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah there's no make sense</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to you</font> because<font color="#E5E5E5"> these look like as I'm talking</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to you madam please you have no man it's</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">absorbing the sprigle</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> here as well that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">won't either so now don't tell me</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> how</font> are<font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">avoid it here and I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> don't a boys here</font> very clearly<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I'm very conscious</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> say to you<font color="#E5E5E5"> that is with your dad it's</font> been<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> okay and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I want you not to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">worry about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> either the moves</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that take</font> care<font color="#CCCCCC"> of each other</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I need to go</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> bananas</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> very important</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font> understand that<font color="#E5E5E5"> had your</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> boy</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> physical</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> if</font> he would have<font color="#CCCCCC"> needed</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a not a lot more</font> care<font color="#E5E5E5"> then you would be able to provide</font> alone<font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they make sense to do and I'm</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">very</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> aware to say to you that your boy</font> acts that<font color="#CCCCCC"> he's grown up with you in the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">spirit</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> world</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> no</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> no be worried about him</font> okay I also can hear him say that<font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font> release the balloon yes yes<font color="#CCCCCC"> okay solid</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a</font> little<font color="#CCCCCC"> Hatton happened on a Tuesday</font> evening<font color="#CCCCCC"> and it's full of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> people</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">convinced they're hearing from their</font> dead relatives<font color="#E5E5E5"> is it for real some of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> things that made</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> him sold a little</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">specific details can you really be</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">faking all of them but if what is</font> speaking to the dead business isn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> for</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">real why would Helen turn up</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> here in the</font> middle<font color="#CCCCCC"> of the war when Portsmouth was</font> being<font color="#CCCCCC"> bombed night after night</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> well she</font> certainly<font color="#E5E5E5"> have known she'd find people</font> desperate<font color="#CCCCCC"> for news about their men's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">folk this big star arrives the lights</font> are dimmed everyone's waiting with bated breath<font color="#E5E5E5"> a sign a message anything</font> [Music] but what she revealed was too closely guarded secret the<font color="#CCCCCC"> Baron of himself</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so</font> is<font color="#E5E5E5"> this proof that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> talking</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the dead</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Darrin who's the medium from last night</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">is giving me a private reading</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm</font> probably a<font color="#E5E5E5"> bit more skeptical</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> than the</font> people in haven't so can he convinced me <font color="#E5E5E5">he's in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> communication with my dead</font> relatives<font color="#CCCCCC"> can I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just take the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hand for a</font> second<font color="#CCCCCC"> just to make a connection</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> with</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and just as I'm doing this I'm</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">asking your loved ones to come close and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to give you what it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is they feel that</font> you need<font color="#E5E5E5"> thank you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> very much just so I'm</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">connecting</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I want to just say that</font> I'm very<font color="#E5E5E5"> conscious of a gentleman</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">stepping for the very tall</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> diets a six</font> foot<font color="#CCCCCC"> six</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> foot one quiets limit is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> built</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">here I'm aware that as I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> talk</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> about it</font> I'm getting palpitations<font color="#CCCCCC"> and I know that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">he remembers having</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> some kind of heart</font> condition<font color="#CCCCCC"> that I feel before the spirit</font> world<font color="#E5E5E5"> took him very very quickly but</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">there was like</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a heart condition</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> or</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">heart disease did does that make</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> sense</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> you I most of the men</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in my time we</font> were<font color="#E5E5E5"> actually quite little okay only one</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> could think of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> those tall was my</font> paternal grandfather okay now can I<font color="#E5E5E5"> say that there's a link to</font> this man<font color="#E5E5E5"> either owning or working in a</font> pub because<font color="#E5E5E5"> he keeps</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> taking me</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> into a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">public house</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> as there he's got</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a great</font> memory of propping up the bar in this public house there<font color="#E5E5E5"> was a pub right over</font> the road from<font color="#E5E5E5"> where he looked a just</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">opposite the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> shop why would he talk</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">about somebody called Mary</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> doing a good</font> job<font color="#CCCCCC"> she's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> talking</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about a lady</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> called</font> mode<font color="#E5E5E5"> I feel it in this world actually</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">not passed over now I've got to say this</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that I've seen two children here</font> as well<font color="#E5E5E5"> that there's a born as a girl I</font> can sense here<font color="#CCCCCC"> that link to Mary</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and I get a very strong link that Mary</font> lives away<font color="#E5E5E5"> to me that there's a good</font> distance now quietly<font color="#E5E5E5"> quite a distance</font> here as absolutely so saying Mary I'm sorry<font color="#CCCCCC"> I'm on a flow okay</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and there's</font> also a linkage to<font color="#E5E5E5"> the name of Shepherd</font> that's very significant because<font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">hearing in calling the name Shepherd is</font> that relevant<font color="#CCCCCC"> Mary Shepherd is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> mother of<font color="#E5E5E5"> my two</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> children</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> okay but one</font> boy and<font color="#E5E5E5"> one</font> well there was something<font color="#E5E5E5"> about the</font> rating that<font color="#E5E5E5"> didn't sit right with me</font> when you came<font color="#CCCCCC"> up with a name Mary I</font> thought oh wow yes that's the<font color="#E5E5E5"> mum of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> my</font> kids but then when<font color="#CCCCCC"> he</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> came up with</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font> surname<font color="#E5E5E5"> as well it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just felt to me like</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">he'd googled some site okay I hear</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font> thank you<font color="#CCCCCC"> your</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> lady here is making me</font> very<font color="#E5E5E5"> conscious of the month of August</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and she keeps asking me to talk about</font> the 16th of August<font color="#CCCCCC"> so</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that there's a</font> significant anniversary around that date <font color="#E5E5E5">my birthday the 15th of long that I will</font> do<font color="#CCCCCC"> ok so actually things when I said</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> no</font> I don't<font color="#E5E5E5"> have any knowledge of what</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you're talking</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that in retrospect</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I did I will find thank you even</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">standing some floors because he's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">talking about floors being sanded here I</font> get<font color="#E5E5E5"> this sense</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of the floor</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that's been</font> sanded to<font color="#CCCCCC"> know why I didn't think of it</font> the<font color="#CCCCCC"> moment I've been waiting to get my</font> floor sanded for months she<font color="#CCCCCC"> does</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">something here about the fact that we've</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">not been able to find a headstone not</font> going to<font color="#E5E5E5"> find a grave or not be able to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">find a resting place for a member of</font> your<font color="#E5E5E5"> family</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> uh who</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and please and this</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">is a name I'm hearing from the spirit</font> world rather<font color="#CCCCCC"> than this world</font> I'm completely<font color="#E5E5E5"> split down the middle</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">because the part of me that was</font> skeptical<font color="#E5E5E5"> before I had that reading</font> thinks yeah and it's not<font color="#E5E5E5"> very</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> silly but</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">there's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> been an issue with what are your</font> ceilings where you live yes because he's laughing about<font color="#E5E5E5"> this issue with</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> ceiling<font color="#E5E5E5"> the other part of me thinks</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> wow</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">if it's true he's just found things</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font> are so accurate <font color="#CCCCCC">to the person to her I wonder how I</font> would<font color="#E5E5E5"> have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> felt back in 1941 in</font> Portsmouth if I'd heard Helen duncan saying the<font color="#E5E5E5"> bar had</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> been soaked that have</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">confused me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> too I'm sure there's another</font> explanation<font color="#E5E5E5"> for what people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> experienced</font> that<font color="#CCCCCC"> night I want to end up</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> psychology of<font color="#CCCCCC"> a thing</font> see what we're doing<font color="#E5E5E5"> today we've got</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">number of volunteers they've all given</font> an<font color="#CCCCCC"> object in and they</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> think they're</font> going<font color="#E5E5E5"> to get a psychic reading based on</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> objects</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what we're going to see in</font> their response to the reading is something<font color="#E5E5E5"> called the Barnum effect I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">hand out the readings now depending on</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">them it's the psychic study so can you</font> try and keep them to yourself <font color="#E5E5E5">don't definitely getting certain later</font> on go<font color="#E5E5E5"> ahead take a look</font> there are certain<font color="#E5E5E5"> kinds of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> statement</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that are either can a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> very general or</font> vague or ambiguous<font color="#E5E5E5"> but virtually all</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">us accept them has been descriptive of</font> our own unique personalities<font color="#CCCCCC"> you want to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">reach her again when you're answering</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> questions please feel free it's</font> scaled ones with a<font color="#E5E5E5"> seventh at times</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> your</font> extroverted affable and sociable<font color="#E5E5E5"> while</font> at<font color="#CCCCCC"> other times you're introverted weary</font> and reserved<font color="#E5E5E5"> so when you put a whole</font> bunch<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> these statements together that</font> sounds like a really<font color="#E5E5E5"> accurate reading to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">people but in fact pretty</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> much anybody</font> would actually<font color="#E5E5E5"> accept that reading as</font> being accurate<font color="#E5E5E5"> and very specific</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they're</font> marking it out of<font color="#E5E5E5"> seven of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> course what</font> they don't know is they've all got the same readings<font color="#E5E5E5"> how it was the reading as</font> a description of your<font color="#E5E5E5"> unique personality</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">so for you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> six six six six yeah five or</font> six six <font color="#CCCCCC">I said circular</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she's relaxed and I</font> can't<font color="#E5E5E5"> believe it they actually pickle</font> things like this<font color="#CCCCCC"> absolutely I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> mean I've</font> seen this so many<font color="#E5E5E5"> times is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it really</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">reliable effect</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">okay just reading out a couple then</font> clicking<font color="#CCCCCC"> person dot</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you have a great</font> need<font color="#E5E5E5"> for other people to like and admire</font> you<font color="#CCCCCC"> you have a tendency to be critical</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">with</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yourselves</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a great deal</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font> unused capacity which you've not<font color="#E5E5E5"> used to</font> your<font color="#E5E5E5"> advantage</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and while you have</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> some</font> personality weaknesses<font color="#E5E5E5"> you're generally</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">able to compensate</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for them</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> does anybody</font> just kind<font color="#E5E5E5"> of recognize that that all of</font> you<font color="#E5E5E5"> okay I'm not saying that all</font> psychics are deliberate fraud<font color="#E5E5E5"> there is a</font> technique called cold reading<font color="#CCCCCC"> go cold</font> reading because you just met<font color="#E5E5E5"> this person</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">from cold never met them before and you</font> do a reading<font color="#CCCCCC"> for them and they're blown</font> away<font color="#CCCCCC"> about it so wow that's incredible</font> how do you know<font color="#E5E5E5"> all those things you can</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">season</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> amazing now part of cold reading</font> relies on the Barnum effect relies on these<font color="#E5E5E5"> kind of statements beyond that I</font> would<font color="#CCCCCC"> also make use of any body language</font> cues I could pick<font color="#E5E5E5"> up on if you were</font> showing<font color="#E5E5E5"> interest if</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you were leaning</font> forward then<font color="#E5E5E5"> okay this is something</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">means something to you this is</font> significant but<font color="#CCCCCC"> a lot of cold reading is</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">about the use of line</font> language so very often<font color="#E5E5E5"> when you watch</font> psychics<font color="#E5E5E5"> in action</font> you realize ask an awful<font color="#CCCCCC"> lot of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">questions rather</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> than making statements</font> now the way they ask the questions<font color="#E5E5E5"> is</font> interesting<font color="#E5E5E5"> like what were they a happy</font> person<font color="#CCCCCC"> and if</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you answer</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yes I think yes</font> I thought<font color="#E5E5E5"> so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> haven't seen they're now</font> smiling<font color="#E5E5E5"> always enjoyed a good joke you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> researching out it's got views but</font> now I think known<font color="#E5E5E5"> I sense a deep sadness</font> there<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know and which</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> however you</font> answer<font color="#E5E5E5"> a person I already knew that you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">just could already knew how could that</font> fit into what went on on<font color="#CCCCCC"> the barroom</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">knife one</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> possibility in the barroom</font> case was Helen said<font color="#CCCCCC"> that she saw</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> sail</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">all this sailor materialized in the ship</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">from down</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and some woman in the audience</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">recognized all this around the bell with</font> her and she sort<font color="#CCCCCC"> of stood</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> up to said yes</font> my<font color="#CCCCCC"> father failure I think it's the</font> barroom that's gone<font color="#CCCCCC"> down so she was</font> primed if you like in<font color="#E5E5E5"> the course Helen</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> confirmed that in which</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> case it</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">would have</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> been Helen Duncan who was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">aware that the bottom of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> souls of his</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">other woman yes in that case that was</font> cold reading now and other alternative <font color="#E5E5E5">is hot</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> reading</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this is in hot meeting</font> it's simply a case that the medium has done her homework<font color="#E5E5E5"> she's done the</font> research<font color="#E5E5E5"> she knows the fact but</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they're</font> looking<font color="#CCCCCC"> but that couldn't have happened</font> in this<font color="#E5E5E5"> case now could it because</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> my</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">varam</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> sunk in 1941 it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> wasn't until 1942</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that it was announced Wow</font> that's where you might<font color="#CCCCCC"> be wrong nice for</font> students<font color="#CCCCCC"> especially announced publicly</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">but I have some left the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> pair now these</font> letters<font color="#E5E5E5"> are written from</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the Admiralty</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> parents or some of the funds that</font> died yes and these letters<font color="#CCCCCC"> were dated</font> December 41 and in the letters here you'll see that they tell them that their<font color="#E5E5E5"> son died and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they've asked them to</font> be quiet<font color="#CCCCCC"> about it</font> you should not communicate<font color="#CCCCCC"> this sad news</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to any but your immediate relatives so</font> people knew<font color="#CCCCCC"> about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it now we</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> don't know</font> if the sales occurred after the<font color="#CCCCCC"> fifth</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">December for the six December</font> but<font color="#E5E5E5"> there the possibility here</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that this</font> is where<font color="#CCCCCC"> the information came from</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> if<font color="#CCCCCC"> Helen had known that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> then she could</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">have fed it to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the audience too</font> down-to-earth explanation<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">possibilities but it's not either/or is</font> it it could<font color="#E5E5E5"> be heart reading it could</font> have been cold reading but it could have <font color="#E5E5E5">been spirit it doesn't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> take us that much</font> further<font color="#E5E5E5"> there's a bit of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a bombshell it</font> seems that there were people<font color="#E5E5E5"> who</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> knew</font> about<font color="#E5E5E5"> the singing at the bar and before</font> the sales and<font color="#E5E5E5"> if that's true</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> then maybe</font> Helen knew about it herself<font color="#CCCCCC"> it's not</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">conclusive whether it's plausible</font> explanation<font color="#E5E5E5"> big doesn't tell us much</font> about Helen herself or the ghosts that <font color="#CCCCCC">seem to surround us</font> [Music] <font color="#CCCCCC">I must have</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> done this journey</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> fifty</font> times<font color="#E5E5E5"> before</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> always thought there</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was</font> a dead end I didn't realize but there <font color="#E5E5E5">was a little road beyond it secret</font> mystery road<font color="#CCCCCC"> lies ahead of routine</font> moving just like<font color="#E5E5E5"> an explosion moving</font> down to a college comedians what exactly<font color="#E5E5E5"> is it that you do</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> here</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it's</font> a college it was the<font color="#E5E5E5"> training for</font> mediumship<font color="#E5E5E5"> mental mediumship</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font> communication with the<font color="#E5E5E5"> school or feeling</font> mediumship<font color="#CCCCCC"> were the spiritual social</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">human is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what we do mediumship</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is a core</font> practice<font color="#E5E5E5"> our religion so that we can</font> provide evidence<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> support a beliefs</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">but life is continuous this place looks</font> a bit like<font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> grown up Hogwarts but it's</font> a place where they use science<font color="#E5E5E5"> to try to</font> prove<font color="#E5E5E5"> psychic phenomena actually</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> exist</font> these are plastic<font color="#E5E5E5"> half of materialized</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">handmade delicate</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> not</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it</font> yeah I've<font color="#E5E5E5"> been assured because we can't</font> reproduce them<font color="#E5E5E5"> at the moment</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what would</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">happen the spirit person would</font> materialize the<font color="#E5E5E5"> hands you see the way</font> they're interlinked<font color="#E5E5E5"> fingers yeah they'd</font> have a bucket of paraffin wax<font color="#E5E5E5"> liquid</font> passing and keep dipping the hands in and out forming a mold around<font color="#CCCCCC"> them and</font> then the hands<font color="#E5E5E5"> would D materialize once</font> the wax of sex<font color="#E5E5E5"> so the clasp would still</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">we learn</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that's right pour in plaster</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Paris you've then got a model of a dead</font> person's<font color="#E5E5E5"> hands it is hard to see how if</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">someone's hand had been inside</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that yeah</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it wouldn't have broken the castle when</font> he was<font color="#E5E5E5"> trying</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to get</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> out there is a</font> great suspicion<font color="#CCCCCC"> that some of the work</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that Helen did was there's a great</font> suspicion<font color="#E5E5E5"> on all of this and all of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> mediums not just<font color="#E5E5E5"> had them seem to be</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">cursed anyone</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> who has not seen</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it it's</font> too fantastic<font color="#CCCCCC"> to be true so it must be</font> fraud<font color="#E5E5E5"> seeing is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> believing</font> are you saying that you don't think<font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font> any<font color="#CCCCCC"> of the things that Helen produced</font> were fake<font color="#CCCCCC"> no I'm not saying</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that but I</font> spoke to a line<font color="#CCCCCC"> D some years ago</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> who was</font> at the last heaven<font color="#E5E5E5"> Duncan scions she was</font> a nurse and she did the body search<font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font> full cavity search<font color="#E5E5E5"> prior</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> silence</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you look at the volumes of ectoplasm</font> that are produced<font color="#E5E5E5"> and people say she</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">used to swallow it and regurgitate it</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">every other tried swallowing hankerchief</font> are bringing<font color="#E5E5E5"> it back let alone material</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> size of the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> bedsheets was ectoplasm</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it's a substance that's extruded from</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">out of the mediums body</font> quite common<font color="#E5E5E5"> is the mouth the nose eyes</font> even under the fingernails<font color="#CCCCCC"> it can</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> appear</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">as</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> very thin wispy smoke</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it can condense</font> into<font color="#E5E5E5"> clouds and even then condense into</font> the human<font color="#E5E5E5"> form</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> all</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the mediums that I've</font> talked to agree that<font color="#E5E5E5"> fraud has been</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">known to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> take place even</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> some of the</font> most<font color="#E5E5E5"> respected mediums probably</font> committed fraud but it's tended to be when they're under pressure like<font color="#E5E5E5"> Helen</font> Duncan was but they say<font color="#CCCCCC"> that this</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">allegation that ectoplasm is phony</font> and that mediums just<font color="#CCCCCC"> secreted about</font> their body<font color="#E5E5E5"> and then</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> eject</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it during a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">sale</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> doesn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> stack</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> up</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> because there's so</font> much<font color="#E5E5E5"> of the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> stuff then what many would</font> put it and anyway a lot of mediums including Helen Duncan often had full <font color="#E5E5E5">cavity searches before they started</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">their sales how long did they</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> say but</font> even if by<font color="#CCCCCC"> some stretch of the</font> imagination<font color="#CCCCCC"> they were able</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to secrete it</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">what would they do with it at the end</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the sales because at the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> end of the</font> sales<font color="#E5E5E5"> it just kind of disappears it's in</font> vaporizes<font color="#E5E5E5"> so what are they going to do</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">with it</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I want to know how she could have</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">engineered these physical bounces how to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">do I need to find someone who can</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> help</font> me<font color="#CCCCCC"> with a scientific</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> way</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of looking at</font> it<font color="#E5E5E5"> while you're doing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> these are the</font> objects<font color="#CCCCCC"> that we're going to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> use so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we</font> all seem to<font color="#CCCCCC"> have</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the luminous strips on</font> them darker actually good to be<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's</font> going<font color="#E5E5E5"> to be extremely dark so if</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> if</font> we've<font color="#E5E5E5"> got</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it right</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you won't get to see</font> your hand in<font color="#E5E5E5"> front of your face so I'll</font> go and<font color="#E5E5E5"> tell Tony he's going to</font> experience Victorian<font color="#CCCCCC"> seance</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and leave it</font> at that reconstruction Versailles is playing the role<font color="#CCCCCC"> of a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> stripper be perfect thank you</font> very much for coming<font color="#CCCCCC"> along today</font> hopefully<font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> can have a an interesting</font> experience what we're going to do is a reconstruction of a Victorian<font color="#E5E5E5"> dark room</font> seance<font color="#E5E5E5"> and try and contact the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> spirit of</font> a musical singer<font color="#E5E5E5"> from around the turn</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the last century a woman called Marie</font> Ambrose<font color="#E5E5E5"> what we have on the table here</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">various objects which</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she would have</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">been familiar</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> with if everyone can just</font> hold hands that's<font color="#E5E5E5"> fantastic very very</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">good the important thing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is that when</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we</font> are<font color="#E5E5E5"> in total darkness</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> don't let</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> go of</font> the person<font color="#E5E5E5"> next to you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> okay whatever</font> happens<font color="#E5E5E5"> hold</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> onto</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> their hand okay if you</font> do<font color="#CCCCCC"> become scared and I hope you do then</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">just squeeze the hand for the person</font> next to you<font color="#CCCCCC"> and the fact they would be</font> there<font color="#E5E5E5"> for you okay excellent</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">okay in which case if we can take the</font> room into complete<font color="#E5E5E5"> darkness</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">very good</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I want</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> everyone to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> do</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to work as a group</font> to transform<font color="#E5E5E5"> from a group of individuals</font> into a single group is going<font color="#E5E5E5"> to work</font> together<font color="#E5E5E5"> everyone</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I want you now to open</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">up your minds</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">open up your heart the spirit</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of Marie</font> imagine her joining<font color="#E5E5E5"> us now imagine Marie</font> coming<font color="#E5E5E5"> forward</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> now open</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> up your mind</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">open up your heart excellent that's good</font> that's good stay with<font color="#CCCCCC"> it now</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> imagine her</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Jaffe Nia joining</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> us</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> now</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that's good</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">okay</font> imagine movie with us now<font color="#E5E5E5"> that's good</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">okay</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> stay with it as a group okay okay</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that's fine that's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> alright</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so imagine</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">her spirit</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> going back into the spirit</font> world<font color="#CCCCCC"> that's good</font> bring the lights back up<font color="#E5E5E5"> excellent</font> that's<font color="#CCCCCC"> going break contact</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> around very</font> good I'm now going to properly introduce you to your medium<font color="#CCCCCC"> this is richard wise</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">member of psychology</font> hello yeah this is<font color="#E5E5E5"> up in the darkness</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">here the shadowy figure in the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">background is Sara</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> who very kindly</font> helped us<font color="#E5E5E5"> out you know</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I was actually</font> listening to see<font color="#CCCCCC"> if there was an idea</font> anybody and<font color="#CCCCCC"> that part of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> psychology</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">people think that if somebody</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> came in</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">like that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but they'd actually notice</font> yeah but<font color="#CCCCCC"> actually most people don't so</font> Sarah's got<font color="#E5E5E5"> a very</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> very difficult job</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">she's got to find</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> those objects in total</font> darkness<font color="#E5E5E5"> I call</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> CSU Thomas yet but she</font> can't see anything<font color="#E5E5E5"> so as soon as she's</font> got the<font color="#CCCCCC"> stick</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> under the marker she'll</font> squeeze me on the shoulder<font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I know</font> that<font color="#CCCCCC"> patoot for everyone's attention</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">onto the maraca</font> imagine her<font color="#E5E5E5"> Justinian and what you'll do</font> is<font color="#CCCCCC"> you're liquid into one of the pizzas</font> laughs yeah<font color="#CCCCCC"> weakly I've</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just seen that</font> right okay<font color="#CCCCCC"> it's perfectly obvious if I</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">look hard</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to believe seeing that that we</font> wouldn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> be completely</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> aware of it but</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">we were little it was a black room it</font> was<font color="#CCCCCC"> picture dark</font> it was absolutely quiet<font color="#E5E5E5"> and the things</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">move and the things we that's good</font> that's good okay stay with it it's about role playing<font color="#E5E5E5"> you're the role of a sitter</font> is your job to believe<font color="#E5E5E5"> this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to have a</font> good time to be open<font color="#E5E5E5"> to the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> spirits</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> so on you know<font color="#E5E5E5"> when we've</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> done these</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">experiments we know about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> one in five</font> people<font color="#E5E5E5"> think that the spirits were there</font> and it was<font color="#CCCCCC"> a genuine sale so it's a good</font> reason<font color="#E5E5E5"> when</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we read these</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> accounts</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> leave</font> amazing things happening<font color="#E5E5E5"> with the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Hell</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Buncombe of Sciences or others</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yet to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">be skeptical to think that maybe some of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">this stuff just didn't happen at all</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it's easy to be skeptical about these</font> phenomena for<font color="#E5E5E5"> people who were there at a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">very different</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> view</font> you are the only<font color="#E5E5E5"> person that we've been</font> able to find<font color="#E5E5E5"> who ever went to hell and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Duncan</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> seance well she did</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> quite a</font> number<font color="#CCCCCC"> of sittings but of course you see</font> I was young comparatively<font color="#CCCCCC"> if a pupil</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">usually when I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was 23</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and Helen Duncan</font> was already there<font color="#CCCCCC"> when</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you arrived she</font> was<font color="#E5E5E5"> brought into the room</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> having been</font> physically examined<font color="#E5E5E5"> they even do an</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">internal examination sometimes because a</font> lot<font color="#E5E5E5"> can be secreted within the body and</font> then she was<font color="#CCCCCC"> brought</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in having been</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> think<font color="#E5E5E5"> sewn into a loose-fitting and yet</font> completely<font color="#CCCCCC"> closed black robe and it was</font> a red light<font color="#CCCCCC"> which when you get</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">accustomed to it you can see</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> features and expressions of somebody sitting<font color="#E5E5E5"> five six feet across</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the room</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">from you at certain</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> stages curtains were</font> drawn the cross which of course does that tend to<font color="#E5E5E5"> give people the idea a lot</font> of<font color="#E5E5E5"> thank you pancakes</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> ah those are quite</font> distinguishable<font color="#CCCCCC"> smell</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that excess me</font> quite<font color="#E5E5E5"> as left wall it's rather like</font> bodily<font color="#E5E5E5"> semen</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> sort</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of smell no not</font> unpleasant but<font color="#E5E5E5"> not one</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that one would</font> expect<font color="#CCCCCC"> have around the room but it's</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">very strong and then this ectoplasm has</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">SS</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> next across the floor and came up</font> really<font color="#E5E5E5"> between us there appears the face</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">of man short hair</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and suddenly one of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you blobs</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> as it were ever be almost</font> thrown on for a fairly large<font color="#E5E5E5"> mustache I</font> think all the starch<font color="#CCCCCC"> I did a silly</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> thing</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">bitterness you knew who it was</font> I knew yes from it need immediately recognizable as I would<font color="#CCCCCC"> recognize you he</font> was very cross<font color="#CCCCCC"> to me if I only</font> commenting about the<font color="#E5E5E5"> mustache and tried</font> it me is this<font color="#E5E5E5"> if that's all you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> got to</font> say<font color="#E5E5E5"> well very military</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> did you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> look dead</font> well I suppose<font color="#CCCCCC"> have you talked to it yes</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">but while</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> his face was animated and</font> speaking<font color="#CCCCCC"> after two or three little</font> interchanges nothing of great import I'm bound to<font color="#CCCCCC"> say</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he disintegrated</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> cleft</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">with our feet Boucherie withdrawn</font> intermedium<font color="#CCCCCC"> rat gossip or</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> dance sound in</font> many ways<font color="#E5E5E5"> quite implausible doesn't it</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it does</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> indeed</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I quite agree</font> I'd sympathise with anybody who <font color="#E5E5E5">disbelieved think they had a stronger</font> case in a way<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's only when you had</font> personal experience you have to <font color="#E5E5E5">reconsider and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> realise that such odd</font> things can happen<font color="#CCCCCC"> I was 100% satisfied</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">then</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> 100% satisfied now that's what we</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">for that evening was genuine what</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Annie's witness wasn't anything like</font> those tricks<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the lab producing</font> ectoplasm<font color="#CCCCCC"> an entire</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> people it's an</font> entirely different lead how scientists ignore that<font color="#E5E5E5"> kind of evidence</font> what about<font color="#E5E5E5"> Helen Duncan was sheer fraud</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">my fingers</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> use</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> fraudulent what she</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">didn't we</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> doing this morning</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> well kind</font> of if the<font color="#E5E5E5"> sitters are doing a lot of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> work you know<font color="#E5E5E5"> that's seeing an eerie</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Shay</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a little bit of movement than</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">amplifying that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and their mind and it's</font> becoming this<font color="#E5E5E5"> incredible spiritual</font> adventure<font color="#CCCCCC"> for them and they weren't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">seeing apparitions though they were they</font> were seeing<font color="#E5E5E5"> ectoplasm were they this</font> mysterious half spirit half natural world stuff in which these variants express themselves they're also got Michael Carey Price who<font color="#CCCCCC"> was an effective</font> investigator at the<font color="#CCCCCC"> time crisis it's</font> fantastic all my heroes actually know <font color="#CCCCCC">that whole field is all these kind</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font> colorful investigations<font color="#CCCCCC"> if we check</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> nose the ears<font color="#E5E5E5"> here we checked obviously</font> the<font color="#CCCCCC"> the throat the mouth because</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> your</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">toe and uncle he would check</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> up</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> before</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">she had a monkey is full of the sales</font> and after sales<font color="#E5E5E5"> just to check if she</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was</font> harboring anything<font color="#E5E5E5"> that could have been</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to be Garrett a still produced during</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the session</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a bit of a mystery I</font> mean he<font color="#CCCCCC"> Helen coming ecologist and</font> someone who<font color="#CCCCCC"> looks up and bottoms</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> there</font> that was pricey theory that somehow she's bringing this stuff up during the <font color="#CCCCCC">other sales</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we sort of backed away from</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that in later years how much of it would</font> there be for<font color="#E5E5E5"> some large materializations</font> kind of roughly<font color="#E5E5E5"> the size we're looking</font> at so look at the time a lot less than <font color="#CCCCCC">that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">doctor yeah but when she was</font> materializing people it would have had to<font color="#CCCCCC"> be around</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> about five how does yes</font> honey<font color="#CCCCCC"> all of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that on your person if</font> you've been searched by a gynecologist I mean<font color="#CCCCCC"> no she was a big woman she might be</font> knows<font color="#E5E5E5"> it yeah hot bits of it away and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">roly-poly this but yeah the fact</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is he</font> had suits<font color="#E5E5E5"> as</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> far as Harry price we got</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">see so with her into a suit after the</font> search<font color="#E5E5E5"> so she couldn't actually store</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">anything else well I think you need to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">look very closely records because often</font> when it's<font color="#E5E5E5"> very well controlled it's only</font> small strips that are<font color="#CCCCCC"> airing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and that</font> that come in<font color="#CCCCCC"> all sorts</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of places all the</font> price also<font color="#E5E5E5"> talks about nosebleeds and</font> then so on<font color="#CCCCCC"> during séances where this</font> size though<font color="#E5E5E5"> you're talking</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">know it going somewhere inside her body</font> or they're<font color="#E5E5E5"> being these</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for conferences</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> may be passed</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> into her</font> so on that all gets<font color="#E5E5E5"> down to what were</font> the controls you know what the who the <font color="#E5E5E5">eyewitnesses</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they were they really</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">reliable nevertheless this Harry price</font> used scientific<font color="#CCCCCC"> methods</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> your kind of</font> stuff in order<font color="#E5E5E5"> to scrutinize what</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was</font> going on<font color="#E5E5E5"> he took photos</font> he made<font color="#E5E5E5"> records he did body searches he</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">sold her into a suit and even if it was</font> only<font color="#E5E5E5"> cheap on he still had no idea how</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it actually was produced</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> take a look at</font> these<font color="#CCCCCC"> safeties I can and Dunson I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> kind</font> of<font color="#CCCCCC"> forgot me</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that we were talking about</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">a woman she's been reduced to a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">specialist dude the woman she had 20</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">janitor</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> six children she had an invalid</font> husband<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's all</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> very</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> real very</font> sensitive<font color="#CCCCCC"> all right hmm but as far as</font> you're concerned a complete fraud<font color="#CCCCCC"> well I</font> mean<font color="#E5E5E5"> look at the fact we've examined the</font> Barham case we looked at the whole idea <font color="#E5E5E5">mental mediumship physical mediumship</font> perhaps it was the hot and cold<font color="#CCCCCC"> readings</font> I showed you how<font color="#CCCCCC"> you can move objects</font> around<font color="#E5E5E5"> a room in the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> dark</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and make it</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">look like it's real</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah I don't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> doubt</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that she used dodgy tricks you don't</font> have to persuade me of that this one photo speaks volumes doesn't it I mean <font color="#E5E5E5">how could that be anything up fantastic</font> travesty<font color="#E5E5E5"> but maybe she was a mixed media</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">maybe she used that kind of theatrical</font> device in order<font color="#CCCCCC"> to pull people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in to get</font> them into<font color="#E5E5E5"> the drama of the moment</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and then</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she used</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> maybe psychic powers</font> maybe just psychological insights in order to give people<font color="#E5E5E5"> messages it wasn't</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">it's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> issues advertising</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yourself as a</font> piece of<font color="#CCCCCC"> theater or piece of pants</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> man</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">she was saying</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she was receiving</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">messages from the other side she bought</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">me just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> food</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">okay</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Beck</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> his mind's made up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Hermes would she really have been</font> formed by a bit of cheesecloth hey Luth in a sec hello [Music] <font color="#CCCCCC">you think this investigations over</font> I think<font color="#E5E5E5"> plan training</font> [Music] [Music] but there's another story <font color="#E5E5E5">tell me after we've nailed there no</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">though we nailed the fact that when</font> Helen<font color="#E5E5E5"> Dalton announced the sinking of</font> HMS<font color="#CCCCCC"> farm</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> she was using and these come</font> Georgian devices<font color="#E5E5E5"> but apparently that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">wasn't the only thinking</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that she</font> announced and if this<font color="#CCCCCC"> news</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> story is</font> right it would<font color="#E5E5E5"> explain why both</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> government and the<font color="#E5E5E5"> secret services were</font> so frightened<font color="#E5E5E5"> of them it's another sound</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">earlier in 1941</font> Helen Duncan announces the loss of <font color="#E5E5E5">another ship</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> time HMS hood this</font> surely<font color="#E5E5E5"> was the moment when as far as the</font> security<font color="#CCCCCC"> services were concerned Helen</font> became a marked woman they had a British <font color="#CCCCCC">military intelligence in Scotland</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Brigadier fire brace was at</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Versailles</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and we're on our way to meet the woman</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">who worked with him for 20 years this is</font> a<font color="#E5E5E5"> magazine from January 1959 it's an</font> interview with a brigadier fire brace yes where he says during<font color="#E5E5E5"> the war I was</font> head of<font color="#E5E5E5"> intelligence in Scotland and I</font> had the<font color="#CCCCCC"> opportunity of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> attending a sales</font> with mrs. Duncan<font color="#E5E5E5"> in Edinburgh tragedy</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">HMS hood is silk and all men are sunk</font> something their<font color="#E5E5E5"> cells couldn't wait to</font> get<font color="#CCCCCC"> back to a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> telephone to ring the</font> Admiralty<font color="#E5E5E5"> to tell him what he'd heard</font> that<font color="#CCCCCC"> heard has gone down and they said</font> rubbish no such thing<font color="#E5E5E5"> Nana wrong he got another</font> telephone<font color="#E5E5E5"> call back from the Admiralty</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">yes not then</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 22 days later and what did</font> they say<font color="#E5E5E5"> she's going right</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Oh</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> always</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">lost you don't think there is any way</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that either the Brigadier all</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Helen</font> Duncan could have known<font color="#CCCCCC"> no no the hood</font> was about<font color="#CCCCCC"> slightly</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> impossible quite</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">impossible</font> the<font color="#CCCCCC"> Barham story might be able</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">question the hoods different hundreds of</font> miles<font color="#CCCCCC"> gotta</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> see the hood goes down</font> without<font color="#CCCCCC"> 1,400 men the authorities don't</font> know<font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> admiral's itself doesn't know</font> the<font color="#CCCCCC"> helenseims</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to learn her fate was</font> sealed<font color="#CCCCCC"> in the run-up to d-day the</font> biggest secret of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the whole war there</font> was<font color="#E5E5E5"> no</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> way they could risk a nut</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">revelation</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Helen was arrested and I</font> witnessed<font color="#E5E5E5"> a trial</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> claiming that what</font> happened next was less like justice and more like a show trial<font color="#E5E5E5"> it was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> very</font> sensational<font color="#E5E5E5"> case it was getting in</font> headlines in the newspapers and she was being<font color="#E5E5E5"> prosecuted under this witchcraft</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">act which seemed rather extraordinary to</font> most people<font color="#E5E5E5"> who had never heard of the</font> witchcraft<font color="#CCCCCC"> there</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> she was a challenge for</font> pretending to conscious<font color="#CCCCCC"> pills which is</font> the wording<font color="#CCCCCC"> of the Act</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what was it like</font> in the courtroom<font color="#E5E5E5"> the witnesses where's</font> their<font color="#CCCCCC"> extraordinary kamalii</font> well there were a very great large number of<font color="#CCCCCC"> witnesses for defense who were</font> called one after the other<font color="#E5E5E5"> and described</font> the most extraordinary things that<font color="#E5E5E5"> had</font> happened<font color="#E5E5E5"> at the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> sails isms</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Duncan which</font> they had personally witnessed you couldn't imagine that a<font color="#CCCCCC"> person</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> who</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was</font> fraudulent could have<font color="#E5E5E5"> done all this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> remember one particularly<font color="#E5E5E5"> and nurse</font> called<font color="#E5E5E5"> Miss rust who was a midwife and</font> who was<font color="#E5E5E5"> extremely insistent that she had</font> been<font color="#E5E5E5"> confronted</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> with her</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> husband who was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">she recognized</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I said if it's you daddy</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">meaning my husband and he said yes I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">invited him out and said come out here</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> needed<font color="#E5E5E5"> Lee got up from my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> seat went</font> right up to<font color="#E5E5E5"> him and I said kiss me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> dear</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">there's something terribly tender about</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">us as soon as he appears there's that</font> intimacy<font color="#CCCCCC"> of come out give us</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a kiss it</font> really does is yesterday was completely convinced herself a bit here from the Wing Commander where the QC says your mother materialized and<font color="#E5E5E5"> you spoke to her</font> I did sir how close did you get<font color="#CCCCCC"> - were</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> satisfied it was your mother</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yes I</font> was in<font color="#CCCCCC"> the second row of chairs I stood</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">up</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> went over to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> get as near as I</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">could without disturbing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> people in front</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">of me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a man knows his</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> mother all these</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">witnesses and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yet it didn't take the</font> jury very<font color="#CCCCCC"> old</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> comfortable decision</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yes</font> and I found that rather strange<font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font> they could so readily dismiss all this and I<font color="#CCCCCC"> think they could only do so as I</font> suppose<font color="#E5E5E5"> what one</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> word almost called</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">prejudice against the whole idea and I</font> think in the end<font color="#E5E5E5"> neatly seemingly common</font> sense assertions and<font color="#CCCCCC"> police rather than</font> the extraordinary<font color="#E5E5E5"> sessions of all these</font> spiritualist<font color="#E5E5E5"> witnesses</font> the irony<font color="#CCCCCC"> of this whole</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> case to me is</font> that those<font color="#E5E5E5"> people who saw what she did</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">believed her</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> those people by and large</font> who didn't see what<font color="#CCCCCC"> she did</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> were</font> profoundly skeptical<font color="#E5E5E5"> but then when she</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">offered to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> give</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a demonstration of her</font> powers<font color="#CCCCCC"> in front of the court</font> she was turned<font color="#E5E5E5"> down</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> first by the judge</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and then by the foreman of the jury so</font> he doesn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> have any chance to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> prove</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">what she was doing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was real so the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">authorities got Helen out of the way</font> they put<font color="#E5E5E5"> her in prison for an</font> unprecedented nine months from<font color="#E5E5E5"> which</font> never<font color="#CCCCCC"> really recovered which is the</font> house where she<font color="#CCCCCC"> lived at the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> end of her</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">life number 36 when woods backdoor</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">here's its own deed promises a convicted</font> 1944<font color="#E5E5E5"> toe vein medium grabbed just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> after</font> cabinets<font color="#E5E5E5"> torn down who's ready to the</font> game yes<font color="#E5E5E5"> at 1956 there is a serious</font> going on<font color="#E5E5E5"> and halfway through</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a the peace</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">bastard or vim I've handled her touched</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">her body said buns on her body</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">man was very</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> painful very painful skin</font> market<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's November and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was dead by</font> the 6th of<font color="#E5E5E5"> December it does seem like</font> she<font color="#E5E5E5"> was treated pretty badly in her life</font> I<font color="#E5E5E5"> think so yes especially</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> after the</font> trial to this day I still<font color="#E5E5E5"> feel very</font> resentful<font color="#E5E5E5"> not so much of a trial</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">actual</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> reason for it witchcraft when I</font> know she's anything<font color="#CCCCCC"> but a rich do you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">feel your grandma is still looking after</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">him my grandma's looked after</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> her</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> since</font> the day<font color="#CCCCCC"> she died she looks after all</font> as far as<font color="#CCCCCC"> the family are concerned it's</font> an<font color="#E5E5E5"> open-and-shut case the authorities</font> hounded Helen Duncan to death for her wartime revelations I'm sure she used trickery sometimes but there are<font color="#E5E5E5"> things</font> she did<font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> don't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> think we</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> can</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> explain</font> away<font color="#CCCCCC"> so easily I still don't know</font> whether she was<font color="#E5E5E5"> put in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> prison because</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">she was a witch or because she was a</font> fraud or just because she<font color="#E5E5E5"> was a harmless</font> old woman who didn't understand what state secrets were Oliver<font color="#E5E5E5"> what I tend to</font> think it's probably<font color="#E5E5E5"> a bit of each really</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">but overall I suppose she was seen as a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">threat to national</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> security</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> maybe</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but I</font> wish I could have attended<font color="#CCCCCC"> one of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> her</font> sales<font color="#E5E5E5"> I think they're not have known</font> what I really thought you [Music] you
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