The Incompatibility of Catholicism and Feminism with Leila Lawler

[Music] hello and welcome to the crisis point podcast i'm eric sammons the editor-in-chief of crisis magazine and before i forget make sure that you subscribe to this channel and like this video so more p or audio depending on how you're uh consuming it so more people can find out about it i'm very excited today because our guest is uh lila lawler who just wrote an article for crisis magazine and she's written a lot more than that in her time and she is a wife mother and grandmother she is author of the upcoming three volume work the summa domestica which we'll talk about in a little bit and god has no grandchildren and she's the co-author of the little oratory a beginner's guide to praying in the home she resides in central massachusetts but most importantly i'm going to say reveal something i just discovered which is i am speaking to the person who's responsible for the name of crisis magazine which i just found out last week so tell the story lila how did that happen well um i don't know if everyone is aware that crisis magazine was started by ralph mcinerney and um michael novak and uh and it was called catholicism and crisis and they hired my husband to be editor this was back in the early 80s or 80 yeah five i think and um when he got there they had a discussion we don't think it should be called catholicism and crisis that sounds a little negative we need a better name what could be called and honestly like i listened for a week to them talking about i mean i was a young mom i had my little babies and i was looking listening to them talk about it needs to have a different name and finally i just said well because i think that you know i like drama i like i think that magazines should be called catholicism in crisis but i think they thought it also was a mouthful so finally i just said how about crisis just call it crisis and um that's what they decided on and i think it's funny because i don't think it made it less dramatic but um the funny the other funny little footnote is that that happens to be or to have been the name of the publication of the naacp and so for a little while there was a little you know maybe legal hassle over with it and finally i think uh ralph mcnamee said i don't think we're going to be confused with the publication of the naacp so we're just going to go ahead and call it crisis yeah and it's funny because i actually get every once in a while i'll get emails of people submitting to what they think is the naacp crisis magazine so it still is called that okay yeah yeah it's called the theirs is called the crisis magazine and uh that is i did suggest the crisis and now that you say that and i think they said we can't call it the crisis and so yeah then it yeah ended up being called crisis so now we know the origin of the name and it's now been revealed to the world so thank you for for your contribution at the beginning so let's talk about your most recent contribution to crisis and that is the article you wrote with leila miller called catholic men rise up and fight so i in my head i've been calling you to layla's but of course i found out that that's mispronouncing your name and pronouncing hers right so it's lila and layla but spelled the same and we won't get in fight who's right i both of us have arabic backgrounds and in you know two arabs i am wayla my mother was american my father was egyptian and he called me layla and all my egyptian relatives call me layla so i do respond to layla okay well there you go good to know but you uh the two of you wrote the article catholic men rise up and fight and i'll make sure i put a link to this in the show notes so people can go to if they haven't seen it yet although it got a a huge response so i think a lot of people probably have already read it but why don't you let me know tell me why it is that you the two of you decide to write that article well we we just as we said in the article we talked about this we have talked about how frustrated we are um that a lot of the times women are the ones who are speaking up and i mean i say this as you know being married to a man who does speak out yes he does on a daily basis and you know does a very good job and um and her husband also she had been lamenting the lack of leadership and her husband had said you know okay uh you say that men should take the lead well you know what i'm i'm gonna do that and he actually um did go ahead and do some of the things that we suggested in the article and in the key thing really is talking to other men but for for um for layla and for me being spirited women but also women who have rejected feminism and i don't think that those two things are contradictory at all we have come to realize over the years and we're both grandmothers that we cannot do without men men have got to be the ones to do the fight and um we'll see we've noticed you know a lot of times you'll you'll point out a problem and the women will respond by saying you know we i'm gonna do something i'm gonna go talk to them i'm gonna write a letter or whatever and very rarely do we see a woman or hear a woman say i'm gonna pass this along to my husband and a lot of women have a tendency to respond the way you know even we got some comments that were kind of like well my husband is kind of introverted and and what we both have been trying to say over the years is that doesn't mean anything your husband's personality doesn't mean anything your son's personality the men in your life men have different personalities but they're still men and men are the fighters the providers and the protectors and the role of the woman is you know can be to point things out it can be to be a good sounding board or um interlocutor or what have you we definitely want to be in the conversation but when the time comes for action especially when the action required is to call men to be men only men can do that and so we were having a conversation and we were just agreeing this just has to happen um we've had enough things are not getting better they're getting worse and we just need men to go do what they have to do and you see it's always i always chuckle when i hear sometimes liberals will say something to the effect of how women need a greater role in the church or something like that because of the fact that most parishes are dominated dominated by women i mean it's like almost everything other than the priest the role everything is is run by women in most parishes and so it's just kind of silly to act like women aren't already involved but so how should that change in how like on a parish level how how should that be different in some way oh yeah i mean and laila and i have been saying this as well i mean um we both i can't remember when it was um but i mean on facebook we've said this the huge step is women just need to get out they need to get out of the sanctuary they need to get out you know and it's so funny it's so interesting because there are certain trends and one of them for instance might be women realizing they need it would be wonderful to veil at mass but then asking questions like well if i'm elector should i be veiling if i'm a eucharistic minister should i be veiling and both of us have said over and over you should not be idiotic there should not be eucharistic ministers number one and number two um there should and there should just not be women in the sanctuary and the whole it's such a clash the the symbolism of veiling clashes with the idea of being in the sanctuary my husband has a little quip which is which he trots out every once in a while which is um just because you're in the bark of peter doesn't mean you need to be in the engine room and i think if we look at it that way we can see that uh yeah i do not want to be down there with all the diesel fumes and the workings and the dials and everything even if i were an engineer and you know my father was an engineer i kind of grew up feeling like i might become an engineer i feel like i have a problem-solving mentality but i do not need to be there and i think that women don't realize the harm that we have done so even good good orthodox conservative women fail to make this distinction because we think well yes you know even orthodox women will admit you know they'll say they see that problem that you're talking about oh there's women running everything and by the way if it's bad in the parish it's terrible in the chancery and lord only knows what it's like in the vatican so um i think that the tendency is to say well what we need is orthodox women in these positions but no we need orthodox men men of service men with servant hearts to do not men who are ambitious and power hungry so it's not just any man but good men and women have another role women have another important task to carry out in the kingdom so so we need to you know sometimes the greatest most intelligent and courageous thing you can do is to see that something is not your job and to pull back and to say i'm gonna let the people whose job this is do it not because i have any sense of inferiority but because i have a sense of place a sense of um what is fitting and women just do not belong in the sanctuary they do not belong um [Music] uh making policies and procedures even though we might have great contributions and we might have things to say but at the end of well there just shouldn't be so much the whole bureaucracy the fact that the parishes and the chanceries are bureaucratic institutions comes down to this vision which is such a faulty vision such a faulty ecclesiology of that this is some sort of administrative enterprise yes a woman can be just as good of an administrator as a man but that is not what should be going on here so if everybody gets back to their primary roles we will see that everything will fall into place so if okay i think a lot of people uh traditional catholics conservative catholics orthodox catholics would understand the point about women not in the in the sanctuary i mean i know not all do but a lot of them do but fundamentally like why can't why can't a woman be the head of the parish council as opposed why is that not i mean who could maybe because i think we'd agree that at least skill set wise a woman could definitely have the skills necessary to do that job well but why fundamentally would be better for a man to be in that type position aside from the fact that a lot of times these two like you said have just become bureaucratic nightmares um but why like and if not if they shouldn't be there what should they what should a woman's role be in in like in parish life so well that's a that's a question that has a lot of assumptions in it um i mean just starting with the parish council i mean the the whole and parish life like what is it that we mean by that if we see the parish as a worship center where activities go on and where people are flocking in order to do um things that are not directly related to the sacramental life then we can see how a lot of paperwork a lot of administration will be involved and then it becomes hard to see why it shouldn't be just like oh the best people at this administrative type work should be doing it but is that what parish life is i would i would say if we look at it as the parish i mean somebody once when i was i think i was on twitter and i was this is a few years ago and i was saying you know like all of this needs to go all of the all of these activities ministries quote unquote even the ccd programs everything just needs to go and and um the person who was interacting with me said well where would would there be then just sacraments and i was kind of like well yes that is what it would be and if you think about you know what parish life was back before things kind of went downhill and i'm not even you know trying to say everything was hunky-dory but um everything was very much related to the sacraments and then also parish life was the schools now notice that schools and parishes for most parishes that is just not even on the charts there isn't a school and there are a few i realize that but the life of the parish had been sacramental and then the education and the education being run by religious orders and now we have something very different so yes if we're pausing is is this very different thing and honestly i think a book could be written about this so i won't spend too much time on it but if we are pausing that then yes it becomes difficult to not it becomes difficult to understand why women shouldn't be a part of it but if we think to ourselves instead we are seeing that things are getting stripped down and that um we will be that more purified smaller church that pope benedict spoke of i think that maybe we could get a glimmer that that you know whether it's the parish council or what have you that the men need to keep the clergy on task and the task the task is a very particular precisely defined thing and women also have a particular dis indispensable thing to do but it's not in the building of the church it is is in the home and is in the community and if what you know we can see we're losing everything we're losing the church and we're losing our homes we're literally losing neighborhoods are empty there's nobody there you know even in the pandemic okay now everybody's in their neighborhoods but they're just in their basement on their zoom there you know we don't have communities and so we need to um we need to really see that we're in a in a very particular watershed moment and to reclaim our roles as they are laid out in our natures is going to be crucial to figuring out how to move forward yeah well you're really uh preaching my to the choir here because one of the big things i've long held is that fundamentally how parishes are run is just fatally flawed and it just is and i in my in my upcoming book i don't talk about this and like is the whole book but one of the things i really talk about a lot is the fact that if you look at how parishes were run before you had these men's groups that would have these uh you know they have processions they'd run they'd have these devotions they would do the women would have their group for devotions and things like that and it was all though geared towards either the sacraments or devotional life and just all the extra things that we add on there like you said mostly bureaucratic are just they just ain't being worthless but i think i i never thought of the point that you just made which was that that leads to the way it's set up now then leads to the question of why can't women do these things because they're they are just strictly almost secular administrative tasks so who cares who does them right whereas if it's a man if it's somebody trying to push the priest to do their to to lead people to christ that is a more manly a a man's task more more than a woman so to be way more busy in their lives i mean in let's i've read an about a biography of of um blessed or saint celina's casey he's a theme right i think you know in the course of telling his story they're telling about what the life was like and this is you know in the chicago area in the depression and we are talking about families i mean families with numerous children with not much money living their lives working hard there's not time to create a bunch of programs by the way most of the programs that you have in the most active parishes most of the programs are particularly aimed at recovering [Music] lost catholics so instead how about we raise children to be remain catholic and then the other part of it um the other part of the activity that was going on was taking care of the poor and the so yeah like you're saying parish life was sacramental or devotional but it was also educational so you had the religious who ran the schools huge you want to talk about evangelism there is nothing no undertaking that one could imagine that is more evangelical than a school a catholic school and yet that our bishops have abandoned they have completely abandoned it and they have abandoned the religious orders that would provide those anyway so you had schools and then you had taken care of the poor and he um casey was you know in his order that's what they did and the people saw their they saw their role as scrimping and saving their five dollars to give to him and to the other brothers so that they could feed have a soup kitchen and feed and i'm sure the women you know helped take care of that and then the men probably cleaned up and everything but everybody honestly everybody was so busy so busy just doing the things that christians should do that they didn't have time to create mischief and that's what we have now is is we just have a lot of mischief of women coming up with more and more ideas of what father could be doing and telling him what to do and the man doesn't have a chance to you know and plus he's been in a seminary that's extremely effeminate and um we do i do we will link to a very good article in the crisis article i don't know if you remember that article had a chance to reread it but um a very important article father mason wrote about the forgotten vice in seminaries which is the ephemeracy so you have priests who are not well-formed most of our new younger priests today sadly are from homes that are not they are broken homes so they themselves their understanding is very intellectual it is not that visceral just completely organic understanding of what a family should be and how to help families and i know as a child of divorce um until i had my family and they were older i myself did not know how to help people who were in trouble i had all i could do just to get through what i needed to get through and do what i had to do there's no energy left over and that's the sad brokenness of the chain that we really need so how to recover that we just have to go back to the basics of the sacraments and to see parish life as much more centered yeah centered on sacraments and that providing the sacraments is what the clergy does and the clergy are male and so they need support of men and men need to call them to account men talking to men that's just how it has to be and the woman's role is the role we that's why we had you know layla was saying to me you know something about like these these long bible quotes but the truth is that that the mother of the maccabees is just a wonderful example for for women because and she is they are in scripture in sacred scripture for us to ponder that she is so strong scripture says she joined manly emotion with womanly reason which i think is such an interesting not uh completely you know predictable way of putting it um manly emotion with womanly reason to exhort her sons to go and die and i think she's our motto like just go go and die we'll be here behind you and we we will meet you in heaven and that's basically our role not to be the ones you know a lot of the commentators said um women said well i've ridden through the bishop i've talked to the bishop and it's like yeah i have two and then we're done i i one thing i know i was just reading article about a number of these priests that have kicked out people who aren't wearing masks at mass or called the police on them and i've noticed that they all seem to be women who are getting kicked out and mike and first of all it's like are you going after the the weaker person i mean because like i my my wife she doesn't wear one when she goes out and sometimes somebody'll stop her but my son who's this big tall you know 17 year old boy he's like oh i'll walk with her and they won't say anything and they won't and so but i also think what about who where where are the men around when this happens like when a when the priest comes to this you know like i remember this one was like a pregnant breastfeeding or pregnant or breastfeeding i can't remember what it was a pregnant woman in dallas i think and the priest said you called the police on where are the men in the parish to say father no you can't do this this is wrong it sounds like not one person stepped up and confronted him nobody said anything and that is that is truly an indictment of the manly spirit and this is the thing is um whether it's like actually hormones in the water or whether it's education or what it is certainly women you know this is a conversation i'm sure you've had this conversation with your wife but my husband had this conversation with me when our children were little where he was like you know our kids will get bullied and i'm going to teach our sons that they have to fight and of course you know moms don't want their fight you have to be you have to you know do what the teachers tell you not to fight it's wrong to fight and so you know it's like really that just seems like that's not the way to solve conflict i mean this is the very female we have our view of how to solve conflict and that's fine and we have our say and we have you know we are complementary to men and so men do need to hear however the man has his experience and as you know the boy on the playground who probably did get pushed around a little bit you learn that if you stand up to the bully then the bully will leave you alone and then you also have to protect the other kids and you have to be willing to stand up to the bully for the sake of the others even though you aren't as big as the bully that's what it means to learn as a boy to become a man this is what i learned from my husband i have a friend who's um who's a mother you know she raised five daughters and him and um one time there was a he was doing his paper route she was at the door and she could see him out there with the paper and the bully came by and knocked over his bike and she yelled him from the door like quick go fight him fight him and and i know that she learned that from her husband she learned it from her father because that it's not normal for the woman's first reaction is not that and unfortunately um i mean we've gotten distracted because we're really distracted right now by covid but up until recently we had started to make great strides and realizing that over the decades we have emasculated boys in school and that we need to do a little remedial work on that and try to recover instead of um medicating our boys which is a terrible scandal and you know we should do something about that and so many of us started homeschooling so we wouldn't even have to deal with that but now now instead of saying well you know fighting somebody who says we should give our sons medication we're on the contrary sitting in the basement saying oh no you have to sit in front of the screen another hour you know we've lost it completely and this fear that has been put into us by this um covet thing has contributed to the masculinization so that is why it's ever more important for for men to stand up we are losing everything the churches are gonna completely close the you know some of them have opened somewhat but this is temporary what you know once once the state gets power it's not going to give it up so it never has in history so unless it's taken away from i know i read somewhere i can't remember where it was but it's not saying how you know fathers they even they're when their boys are little they should be wrestling with them throwing them and stuff like that and the mom will probably stand there and say no don't do that that's dangerous whatever and it's like how it was a good psychologist i came away but he said something like you should completely ignore your wife in that situation and throw that kid up and and fight with them and do all the things because that's good for him and he and it it teaches them you know how to be a man at a very early age um but yeah like you said standing up the bullies because what they're taught now is if somebody's doing that you're supposed to run to the teacher and tell on them and if you get involved and try to stop him physically you're now a problem even though it was the bully who started everything and you're staying up to him you're part of the problem for for standing up for the for the little guy right and women have to learn that our role is to say honey that might be dangerous but it is also then to step aside and i mean how about even when you have like when my youngest was born my um son was eldest was 16 and so when he was about 17 or 18 you know he's tossing her and her next older brother up in the air and i mean tossed so hard that the kid hit their head on the ceiling and the part of the mom's role is to kind of be like well i guess he got a bunk on the head you know i'll patch it up and and just like we have to learn to live with each other better and and it can't be that men are always giving way to women part of what we're trying to say in that article is women you also have to give way to men and you have to say this might not be the way i think you should do this this might not be how i would have said this but i honor the fact that you are the provider and the protector and i will just let you do and a huge part of of our lives together as men and women is letting each other be who we are and women have failed we have failed to do that men let women be women but women do not let men be men part of it is that i will say this part of it is that men are a little lazy the flip side to being very um spirited and being out there fighting and everything the flip side or the negative side is being a little lazy and so you know i think that that and it's a feministy to say well women are going to run things oh well i'll just put i'll just go to my man cave pop a beer and it'll all be great so men have to fight that and be willing to say to their women folk i see what you're saying but this is how we're gonna do it and then women have to be to see what's at stake and to say you know what our way has not worked and we need to let them deal with this yeah now you mentioned earlier that you said you're not a feminist and so i want to talk a little bit about feminism um i mean boy there's a lot to talk about with that i know but like how what would you say is you know obviously you're not a feminist and so you think it's a negative influence well how would you say feminism has impacted specifically the church over the past you know 50 years i mean because it really came to the fore in the 1960s and whatnot how has it impacted the life of the church other than i mean we've talked about a little bit but specifically like the feminist movement well i mean like you said i think it's complex it has to do with the simultaneous decision for reasons that i don't know completely what they are and i think they probably go deeper and are much more nefarious than we think of the hierarchy to accept certain modernistic approaches to let go of tradition and you know that comes at the same time that as feminism and um in the secular world and yet i also think that feminism in the secular world is a result of not a cause of but a result of a certain abdication on the part of catholics and the evidence for this is that pius the 11th in his encyclical caste canoe which was written in 1930 was a response to the the attacks on the family and he's i think he saw very clearly what was um you know the totalitarian instinct and of course totalitarianism in its socialist form will always attack the relationship between men and women and attack the family and he saw that and he warned about it and he very eloquently expressed what the man and the woman's role visa of each other is and i think that because his warnings were not heated i think that that in turn fueled the bitterness and the um the rebellion and it's so interesting you know um really i mean margaret singer was a huge factor and she wrote a response to cassidy canoe i don't know if people are all aware of that but she did write a response to it and it's just a manifesto of the bitter anti-life mentality and ever seeing everything in terms of power and one thing i think that is very interesting um and it's hard for conservatives to accept is that ximena vitae while it did hold the line on the important doctrinal point that contraception could never be accepted it contains in it self rhetoric and an idea that that undermines its message and that is that women have a new place women have a new place in society in our day but how can this be how can it be that you know god created man and woman and he created them he created us to relate to each other in a specific nuptial way and as pious 11 shows so beautifully in cassidy kenobi he he founded the entire self sanctification of the world of the created world on the work of the family so how can it be that in a certain age suddenly those relationships won't be as important and there will be some other relationship that that the that the woman will what's implicit in his words are that the woman now will turn from that and take her place in the larger world i.e be just more like a man and i think that that actually planted a seed that has borne a bitter fruit and it has made catholic women it has emasculated catholic men and it has made catholic women think that our nature and our bodies and our motherhood are all problems as opposed to gifts and perfections and that has had an incredibly detrimental effect on our life together and it has made it so that there just are not children there are not children the way they're ought to be and this is um how can you have life without children there have to be children you go when you go even when you see pictures of churches oh this church is open and then there will be a picture of it you know and it's like it's all old people only in the traditional latin mass do you see pictures of families you know children or but usually there aren't that many pictures they try not to but but you know even those pictures that were going around when that gal was um taken out or she went out with the police because they had she was not wearing a mask and i really do think she was targeted because she was holding a baby and she was young and her husband was there too but if you see the pictures that went along with that and you see the other picture that was of the like vaccinated you know that one that had the sign people with the vaccine on this side who were vaccinated on that side that that parish was in florida and if you you can see the backs of people's heads they're all really old when you look at um father james martin will post a picture of himself giving a talk to people with the very uh the hidden truth that people do not often acknowledge is but you can see it if you look at the picture i cut off there for a second on my end so um now i know there's a movement there has been move for years about catholic like a catholic feminism that a lot of people embrace this idea that you can be a catholic and feminist and they'll they'll kind of change a little bit i guess the radical they'll distinguish themselves i should say from like radical feminists secular feminists do you think there is such a thing as catholic feminism uh is is that legitimate or not no it's absolutely not legitimate first of all why what is so important about this word feminism feminism is responsible for for the death of and many world wars over of babies heaps and mountains of babies all dead because of feminism i can't imagine somebody saying you know i'm a new nazi i'm a i'm a i'm a um i'm a catholic nazi like no national social national socialism has some good things behind it like let me explain to you how national socialism can really um help us in our age like no that you have to reject it it's an ideology and how anyone wants to reclaim this idea that has only resulted in and and nobody will it's that it's that fallacy then no true scotus fallacy that you know well those aren't really feminists well i'm sorry every time you find a feminist you find someone who at the end of the day thinks that a woman's body is her own and that she should not be defined by the fact that she is made to be a mother and this includes before somebody says this this includes um the religious because that because the for women religious being being spiritual mothers is a very is intimately identified with their vocation so um so first that's the first thing is i don't understand why it's so important to to cling to this to this word feminism and then but it's not just semantic because what feminism is is it's the ideology of equality but christianity is inimical to the ideology of equality jesus christ did not deem equality something to be grasped at he emptied himself he was god he was lord of the universe he is god and he emptied himself of that to come and live as a man among men and to be part of the hierarchy of being and to submit and while being the king of the universe so what in what way can it be possibly part of of catholicism to insist on an ideology of equality and the thing is that equality is never going to be a concept that can be nailed down or or grasped when speaking of the sexes because the sexes are different and the difference always comes down to that men are fathers and they do and they act and they fight and they um build and women our mothers and women nurture and take care of babies and take care of souls and make a place and make a home and if you try to force an equality between these two perfections you lose what each one has and why would a catholic want to do that this is how god made us any different the first words he uttered to the man and the woman were you know male and female he created them those are the things we know and so i i do not understand the clinging to this ideology when you start to dig deeper you find a lot of things that are never answered the the um pivots go so fast that the person you're talking to will end up spinning because nobody ever ex explains how we're gonna live with each other on a christian basis which is dying to self and and living for the other person if we're always demanding equality for ourselves and how in the end of the day marriage is simply we know as catholics that marriage is for the purpose of procreation but no one no feminist can ever explain who is going to raise the children she never no feminists or and many men many catholic men are feminists also and they they will never explain that and they will never explain the the reality that when the mother doesn't raise her own children it's another woman who raises those children and where's the justice in that in fact feminism requires that some women don't get homes of their own and don't get to be mothers of their own children because they are necessary to rate to the raising and the keeping of the home of those feminist women and so really feminism is an elitist um it's almost like a grift because it's a way that the elites get to get what they want and to prevent poor people from having what they deserve and it should be that poor and rich people just all have families some are richer and some are poor but everyone basically raises their own children and takes care of their own homes all the women take care of their own homes while the men go and provide and protect their homes and naturally some people will always be richer and some people will always be poorer and so some people get more help than others but in the christian society we're all there to help each other and this is what's been taken away from us by these so-called catholic feminists wait well let um i want to make sure before we go here i want to talk about your upcoming you have a how can you have so many upcoming books is what i want to know um because you have both a three volume work and another uh book coming out so first the three volume work the summa domestica is that right yes and what's that what's that about so that is my the reason that these books are there is because they've all taken so long so the summon domestica is the um so my blog that like mother like daughter which i've written uh about the questions of just making a home educating children taking care of the house disciplining children all of these things on my blog for 12 years or so um finally over the years past five years i've been trying to wrestle these things into you know an actual book that people could read so it does end up being three volumes and because i also am committed to being devoted to my family and not this is not my business or or anything like i'm not a professional so um i keep on like having a grandchild and having to run out whatever but or you know like putting trying to put my family first so definitely has taken a long time um but finally it is now at the typesetter so we're hoping for that and yeah so when do you think that's going to be out so i don't know i hope and i hope for the summer that would be great so are all three volumes coming out at the same time yes and they'll be in a nice slip cover and they will be good for gift giving and they will be illustrated by my daughter deirdre so um yep so who's publishing that sophia institute sofia oh great well that that that sounds like a great great one i i i think that's a honestly i think that sounds like a great one especially if for like a new newly married couple like to give to the to the new wife and everything i mean i i mean both but obviously i think that sounds like a great uh gift idea in that situation and my whole idea is that a lot of women think they're feminists because they're a little they're just don't feel competent in the areas of taking care of the home and they don't feel um that they can educate their children but so so what i've tried to do in the blog is really say if you gain competence and that doesn't mean perfection but if you're just competent and i certainly am just barely competent um then you know then you will find joy in making a home and even the spirited intellectual intelligent woman finds joy and in making a home in solidarity with the others so that they're not confining them to kind of a miserable existence so that's that's that book um with a lot of practical things in it as have i've been writing about on the blog for all these years that's great and then so then the other one is uh god was it god has no grandchildren and so what's that one about so on the blog i had done a guided reading of cassie kenubi um pies it eleven's encyclical and i put those into a those book so those posts i edited them and it became um a book that i an ebook that i published on kindle and um it just never was something that i could get anyone to publish you know as a real life book um but i thought well at least they'll be available on kindle and then um the publisher of aruca press and professor peter kwaznowski really encouraged me they said no this because peter had said to me so did you ever write anything about cassie could you have anything written about cassie can you read that i could use that oh do i have something i do so um and i told him and on top of this guided reading i also wrote this quite long article that when i realized when um amorous letitia came out i realized that there is a paragraph in cassie kenobi that bears on amaris letitia and that actually immortality contradicts and so i wrote a very long article going through it and nobody wanted to publish that article because it was too long so um i sent all of that to him and he said this all has to be published um my friend that i wrote a press i'm gonna send it to him and he was like this is super exciting because you know this is the year of amoris letitia so this is the year to have this be published so it's the second edition and it will be published in softcover and hardcover and it will have the encyclical bound into it so that they're studying it it's there and then it will also have this extra material that i wrote um that goes through the bit in the morris latitude which is not the bit that the dubia cardinals um it's the bit that comes right before and that directly goes against what is taught in cassidy kenobi so so when will that uh when is that one coming out yes very soon hopefully in the coming months yep okay great yeah i think that's going to be great i mentioned to you already my my high school son he's doing a paper on cassie kenobi and what he's doing is he's using it to compare the church's view on artificial contraception with planned parenthood's view and so he had to i told him i said rinse yourself off with holy wire when you go find out what after you find out what planned parenthood says about it all um it might be interesting to see that um that as i mentioned um that old what's her name there um did right yeah margaret sanger singer did write the um response which is that's fascinating really chilling yeah is that available online her response do you think okay i'm gonna look that up because i'm i had not heard that before until you just said that so that that's good to know um okay well i think we're going to end it there because we could just talk forever i know um where is the best place people can find you your blog like mother like daughter like motherlikedaughter.org i also have another little spin-off blog called happy despite them which is a blogspot blog which is linked on like mother like daughter so you can find me there and i'll put links to this on the show notes as well and then the books are available um on amazon and um the little oratory and the um suma domestica our sofia institute so they've gotten there too right great awesome well thank you so much for uh being on the show today lila and i really appreciate the article um that you you wrote for crisis i think it got generated a lot of discussion i think it was really good so appreciate you publishing it thank you so much of course yeah well great well uh and and uh you have a new grandchild coming soon so everybody who's watching this in my you know we don't know when but everybody say a prayer that everything goes well i think that would be great so okay well thank you everybody for listening and watching and until next time see you later you

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