The Green Bean Podcast Episode 12

[Music] hello and welcome to the 12th episode of the green bean or cast my name is Katie this is my little friend Jack and we're recording this in my studio which is in South Devon in the UK this is a podcast about my creative practice which includes drawing and knitting and sewing and I also take you out on some walks in the countryside around where we live so this is a usual episode in some ways and an unusual episode in other ways I've got drawing knitting and sewing to share with you but it might feel a little bit bitty because I've been recording segments on and off over the last couple of weeks as I've been working really hard to get my new zine the green bean out to the printers and if you haven't been watching frequently you might not know about the green bean it's um oh how do I describe it I should get better at this it's a self-published magazine that I used to publish when I first started working as an artist nine years ago and at this point I haven't published one for five years I took a career break if you like for various reasons I'll tell the story of that one day but not today so this issue of the green bean that I've been working on and I'm about to publish is something that feels really special to me to finally be putting it back out into the world after a five-year break so I'm really excited to share that with you so I've got some drawing that I've been doing for that I've also been designing a knitting pattern which will be in the zine so I'll show you my work in progress on that and I've got a couple of embroidery and sewing patterns in there as well I've been working on but before I get into the main content of the episode I've got a couple of things I wanted to chat to you about the first one is something confusing that I said last episode in episode 11 I'm you know it's not a big deal but I don't like to say things that people interpret incorrectly so what happened if you watched the last episode you will have enjoyed the scene where I was working on my sewing machine and Jack was sitting on my lap and I put some text on the screen that said that my partner was playing the guitar in the background which is true but also I used some of will McNichols guitar music as the music that kind of went over that that section of film and what I completely didn't realize is that people would assume that the guitar music in the background that they could hear was the guitar music that I could hear while I was recording and the assumption was that will McNichol whose lovely guitar music I use on this podcast is my partner which is not correct sorry about that my partner does also play the guitar sadly not quite that well and what happens when I record those bits of film of me sewing or knitting sewing particularly because I'm working in Maschine actually cut out the sound and then I put the music on top in editing so sorry for anyone who was confused and thought that will was my partner he is not he's just an artist that I sort of know through a friend of a friend and when I decided that I wanted to make this podcast I thought that his music would be perfect so I contacted him and asked if he'd be willing to let me use it and he very kindly said yes but he's not my partner I hope that's cleared that up for everybody jack is just growling a van that drove past outside the window the second thing that I want to mention before we get into the podcast proper is that I've been doing this for a year and I can't quite believe that it's been a really really busy year for me personally I've experience lots of change and I think actually it started with recording my first podcast so I released my first episode just before I hadn't reinvest of all last year I believe the date that it was published was the 10th of March but I haven't checked that so it's very close to being a year since I put that first episode out into the world and I think it really started to change things for me so I had been having this break from making art work full-time I was doing other things with my life and I wanted to you know be honest and share what my experience was of fitting my artwork into my spare time and then having a full time job and what it is to be a creative person and balance those things and obviously you'll know if you've watched the podcast for a while that I left my full-time job in October last year to focus on my art work full-time again which was a wonderful decision for me I'm so so glad that I made that choice and decided to take a step forward with with my creative work again but I don't think I would have done it if I hadn't been if I hadn't started this podcast I think that sitting down in front of the camera and putting my voice out into the world again gave me so much confidence and part of what's given me confidence it's the way that you've received the podcast so I really wanted to say thank you if you're someone who's watched the podcast a couple of times or every time since the first episode you've given me so much support and encouragement to follow my creative work and why I want to be doing so thank you I think that's enough I'm going to get emotional if I carry on so let's take you for a walk down to my favorite beach here in Devon and it was very much this Beach that inspired the theme of the green bean issue that I've been working on the theme of the issue is rockpools and it's very much inspired by the creatures and the wildlife that lips in Rockport's on the British seaside so it only seemed fitting to take a walk down to my favorite beach to share with you in this episode I hope you enjoyed [Music] [Music] [Music] today I am going to be drawing the very last page of the new green bean zine and for those of you who've been following the podcast since the beginning you all know that I've been working on this project over a year and if you've been following my work longer than that you will know that I've been working on this project for actually five years um it's a long story why it's taken so long um I'll talk about that another time I think but for those who don't know the green bean is a zine I started producing when I first started working as an illustrator in 2010 and I self-published it every couple of months or so for the first few years of my career and then because of other commitments time commitments to my my book and various other projects I had to stop making it and they're always intended for it to come back and I never quite intended it to be such a long wait for the next issue so I'm really really excited that I've almost finished I can't say I finished because I've got this one page left to do but um it feels like a huge victory over a difficult few years to have reached the point where I can finish and self publish a project I'm very close to having a finished object in my hands so I'm really really excited and the page that I have left to draw is a single page I normally when I'm working on the green bean I work in I think in double-page spreads so I think about how the scene is going to look when you open those pages flat and I think in in two pages at a time but what happened is when I was writing up the instructions for one of the craft projects I couldn't squish them all into a double page so I ended up overflowing one page to make the instructions clear and make sense so I had this one page leftover that needed filling and I decided what I would fill it with was the life cycle of a sea anemone which is one of my favorite animals to watch in rock pools so it's fitting for the rock pool theme of the new issue and that's what I'm going to be drawing so I thought you'd enjoy watching some of the process of the last page of the green bean come together [Music] the way that I'm working on this drawing is the way that I normally work on a pencil tarun because I'm using very soft pencils so I've got to be for being in a 6b they've got a huge tendency to smudge obviously when I'm drawing and sliding my hand across the paper so what I need to do is start from the top left of my page and work my way down to the bottom left so that my hand is never covering a part of the drawing that I finished but it's always kind of working towards a piece of the drawing that's not done yet and that stops me from smudging my work as I go and I think I've mentioned before on the podcast that I find the need to work in this way really helpful because it means that I can't leave those bits of the drawing that are more difficult because I want to avoid them that I have to face them straight away in order to not smudge them later so it's a much more systematic way of working than I would choose if left to my own devices I would definitely do all the easy that's first and leave all the hard bits till last [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] while I work on my sea anemone I thought I would chat to you a little bit about how I got into self-publishing for those of you who don't know self-publishing is when an author writer illustrator anybody really decides to put a piece of work out into the world without the help of a professional publisher or some kind of organization that does the distribution and the promotion for them so basically it means that you decide you want to create something you pay for the printing and you organize how you're going to either sell or give away your product and I it's something I sort of started doing by accident I never really thought of it as a big thing or I'm gonna try and do self-publishing it wasn't really like that so I've always known from a very young age that I wanted to make books there are collections of small stapled comics that I made when I was five six seven that my parents still have I've been putting my own books together for a very long time so it made sense that when I was art college it was bookmaking that I was focused on and in particular I was working on a recipe book I was vegan at the time I'm not vegan anymore but I was feeling a distinct lack of cake in my life and I was working up some recipes for vegan cakes and I decided to make it one of my college projects to illustrate this recipe book that I was working on and people kept asking me for my recipes so it seems like the obvious thing to do when I had the recipe book finished was to get a print run of these books made and sell them to people so obviously it cost me quite a lot of money for the print runner I think I had a hundred copies made um I just found a few printing companies got a quote that seemed reasonable to me and reasonable meaning I could inflate the price enough to make a profit on it when I solved it and yeah I just sent files off and got a box of books back a few weeks later I was lucky that I didn't really have a problem selling that first hundred copies and if I'd wanted to I would have had the money to invest in a second print run but I decided not to if you want to get into the really long and complicated details of why I made that decision it's because I was working on my graphic novel which is a memoir of recovery from an eating disorder and I was very aware that part of my choice to be vegan was a way of still exerting some kind of control over what I was eating it was a leftover from my eating disorder so it didn't feel right for me to publish a book about my recovery and at the same time have a recipe book in the world that was made during a time when my lifestyle and my recovery was not ideal I don't know if I'm not explaining that very well but I'm doing my best anyway I decided that that book should stay out of print for a while so I did for a short while after it sold out I made it available as PDF and then I decided actually I don't want that this to be in the public domain at the same time as my graphic memoir about recovery so I took it out but what it did was it gave me a taste for publishing things myself and it it never occurred to me to try and look for a publisher for that recipe book it just didn't feel like the right thing to do I didn't have time to invest in writing to publishers I didn't have an agent I didn't have any of the things that you're supposed to do if you want to publish a book it seemed quicker and easier just to get a small print run myself and sell it myself so that's what I did and it sort of gave me a taste for self-publishing and I think it it's what made me decide to do the same thing with the zine I first came across scenes crumbs I don't even know where I first came across scenes but what I can tell you about is the first book that inspired me to make scenes it's a book called what you mean what's the scene and I'm gonna put the link down below and it just opened my eyes to what scenes were what scenes could be and reading that book I just I felt so inspired to create my own magazine which I had always wanted to do and I suddenly felt well why shouldn't I do it and very quickly after reading that book I got started on making the first green bean that was in 2010 and I've always felt that the green bean is at the center of my practice as an artist and that's so part of that is that the green bean actually changes it changes significantly in terms of its themes and obviously it's changed significantly in the nine years since the first one I made but it's very much a safe place for me to experiment try different things out express what I'm learning and what I'm passionate about at the moment so you know that I'm very much into biology and Natural History for those of you who are in use of the podcast I do have a biology degree as well that's my educational background so I have a real passion for that and it's crept into the green bean a little bit but this issue in particular which focuses on rockpools has very much a Natural History kind of theme to it and I I love the freedom of self-publishing in that this particular version of the green bean can be about rockpools but some of the past ones have been about Lego or tea parties or vegetables all kinds of different themes and it doesn't matter you know the unifying thing is my my voice and what exploring in my personal work at that time and I love having the creative freedom to do a project like that and not have to worry too much about the audience or whether it's going to sell because it's not a huge risk I will get a print run done and it will obviously cost me an outlay of money but it's I'm not asking somebody else to take that risk for me I guess I'm not asking somebody else to say we think we can sell 30,000 copies of this around the world I'm just saying I've got a few hundred followers who I think maybe some of them might like to read this and that's that's something really lovely it's like a small-scale way of producing I know how the book is produced which is something else I really like so I'm going to print my book my book my zine it's maybe glamorizing it a little bit to call it a book I'm gonna print my Xenon 100% recycled paper with a local company here in Devon so I know how it's been made and who it's who's been involved in its production because it's mostly been me and that's something I really value as well in in creating a product that's completely unique and handmade [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] you [Music] the [Music] you [Music] [Music] [Music] you [Music] so today I am working on a sock a second sock actually it's saying it's a new project to the podcast but it doesn't feel new to me I've been working on it for quite some time it's a design project so it started as a sketch and then as a swatch and then now it exists as a sock and I'm just working at the second sample it's a pattern that is going to be published in the green beam certainly evolving theme to this episode is the green bean for sure so I wanted to create a sock that was inspired by the seaside and rock pool theme of the green bean and I picked cockles as my inspiration just because I liked the name of the pattern cockle socks I thought was cute so that's the name I went for and I designed with that as a starting point so I'm just going to pop this down and show you the finished sock because I knit my stranded colorwork inside-out so you can't really see what's going on here but here I can show you the first sock which is finished so it's got a picot edge at the top which is nice like a turned-over hem so it gives a neat finish at the top then I look at the world of lace as if a frilly edge wasn't pretty enough and then some colorwork shells they go all around the calf and then a wave pattern that continues down to the toe it's got a classic heel flap and gussets although I did something a little bit different with the gusset decreases which I quite like normally people place the decreases here at the edge of the heel so you will get a line a diagonal line going here I prefer to place the gusset decreases next to the sole so it gives this straight line of the soul pattern you can see that the sole of the sock has a cute pattern going on and then it has a band toe which is my absolute favorite way of finishing a toe I learned it from Kate bathily and it's my favorite because it doesn't involve any grafting Kitchener stitch you just decrease until you have eight or ten stitches left and then like the top of a hat you thread the yarn through pull it tight and you're done no messing around so it makes socks even more friendly as a travel project now that said I'm not actually much of a sock knitter but it turns out I really love designing socks kind of like the shape as a canvas I like that there's not a huge variation in shape for different sizes so you can grade it up you know the the ankle and the foot are gonna be the same size in most cases you might want to add a few extra six years or take away a few if you're doing some special stitch pattern but generally the shape is pretty basic and I love that blank canvas for putting a design on - I also love wearing color work socks obviously stranded colorwork gives you a double thickness fabric with all the floats on the back don't look at the fact that I haven't woven my ends in yet the photo shoots and until tomorrow so yeah I'm really getting into knitting stranded colorwork socks and I feel like this is the year when it's time for me to face my my fears about knitting socks because I've got loads of Governments now I mean I still have gaps in my wardrobe that I'd like to fill but definitely socks is something that I'm having issues with in case I haven't I think I haven't mentioned it before actually that I a couple of years ago once my sewing on my netting got to a point where I could actually make things that I wanted to wear I decided I was no longer going to buy ready-to-wear items unless I was buying them from a charity shop um and you know I haven't really taken it as a big deal it's just something that's important to me I'm not making a fuss about it but it does mean as things are starting to wear out that I'm not looking to go to a shop and replace them with something that I can buy easily and thinking about making them with jumpers great with dresses great it's a little bit more tricky when it comes to things like socks and dare imagine it underwear haven't got anywhere near underwear sowing yet and that's gonna be something that comes later I think but socks I think I can start working on filling my sock drawer with hand knitted socks and maybe even get to enjoy knitting them I don't know we'll see now I'm not hundred percent confident in my abilities and Nick color work without a chart and to chat to the camera at the same time so it might be that one of those one of those things suffers at the expense of the other we'll have to see how we go I don't have the chart because this is now at a very intuitive stage of the color work I kind of know what I'm doing I've just got one more gusset decrease to work and then I'm straight going until the toes so I can look at the road before and figure out what happens next in theory anyway we'll see we'll see if I can manage that while I do it I wanted to chat to you about the yarn that I've chosen for this project because it's it's really quite special and I was really excited to have the chance to work with it so it's from a small company called Black Isle yarns which is run by Julie the black Isle is just north of Inverness in Scottish islands is actually a place I visited a couple of years ago it's really beautiful so it's nice to picky on that is connected to a place that I have memories of visiting Julie sources all of her fiber locally to her directly from the farmers and then she sends the fleeces to be processed into yarns she's got quite a variety of different faces she does some lovely undyed blends of you know really unusual blends really really nice products and she also does plant dyeing one of the shades the purple dye chosen here is one of her plant dyed colors it's then dyed with oak galls and logwood to give this lovely purple color the white his some undyed so the base that i've chosen them sorry I'm hesitating because I'm already not quite sure what I'm doing it's okay we haven't gone wrong I've just forgotten the base that I've chosen is Julie's no nylon soft base which is called Killam and so it's a blend of 80% Blueface leicester wool and 20% weight mohair so glue F accessory is a long war breed and mohair is known as nature's nylon again because it has long strong fibers so the idea is that this this can create a strong tough sock yarn without having to put plastic in which I don't know I'm not hugely averse to having my own in sock yarn but if there are options that enable me to choose something that's on that drawer and biodegradable then then I'm I'm interested and I definitely want to do some experimenting so I I picked Julie's no night on sock yarn because it's beautiful it's it's gloriously soft and fluffy it's worsted spun but it still has that kind of fluffy halo which I really love in stranded colorwork it really kind of blends together and makes the design look smooth rather than pixelated you know I mean so I love that about it and because of the lustrous fibers it's got this really subtle kind of pearly Sheen to it which really lends itself to my shell theme for these socks it's just a really beautiful yarn and I hope that if you decide to knit the socks you might decide to work with you later on as well it's it's such a treat it's spun in a small melon scottish borders and you can kind of tell it's a small batch handmade product there's little bits of grass in the yarn that you come across now and then occasionally the textures a little bit uneven and again that's something that I really like you can tell that you're working with the product that people have handled that's not just as mass-produced in enormous factory somewhere that we don't know it's um you know Julie really has that connection to the sheep and the farmers and the mill that she works with I really love it and to top it off it's a beautiful yarn as well [Music] I have two different sewing projects to share with you in this episode although they're both on a theme and neither of them address making both of the most small craft sewing projects that are going to be included in the green bean yes I'm still going on about the green bean so if you've been watching the podcast for a while you will have seen my oyster catcher cushion before and I really just knuckle down in the last few weeks and finished it it's been one of those projects that I've really loved working on when I've worked on it but for some reason there's always been something that has seemed like it was more appealing to do or more urgent to do so I ended up knitting rather than sewing on that project and it got left for a long time and so as I was aiming to have the green beam finished for this month I really decided it's time to focus and get on with that embroidery project so I used time in the evenings that I otherwise would have spent knitting working on embroidering that cushion and in the end I really enjoyed it there's something about embroidery that's really quite similar to knitting I think that it gives you that kind of soothing monotonous motion of moving the needle in and out of the fabric that's certainly for me it seems to help me to relax so once I got going with the project I really got into it and I have the finished cushion to show you yeah it's really exciting to see something come to fruition I've been working on for such a long time obviously it hasn't taken me a year but I've been working on this project over the course of the year so to see it finally finished and become something I'm really proud of is great so let me give you a tour so on the front of the cushion we've got all of the pebbles and the main body of that lace to catch our pure wool felt which I've sewn on and then I added these details to the rocks in embroidery and the same with the beak and the eye and the feet of the oyster catcher on the back is an oyster catcher print fabric which I designed I created this print from one of my oyster catcher illustrations and I actually put this fabric up on the spoon flower now so it's not just me who can have it but other people can have it too and I decided that a contrasting red zip would be the cutest thing to pop in the back here and I really like how that picks up the red of the beak and the legs in the oyster catchers on the back and on the front as well and the final thing to mention that I'm really really proud of it's this black piping around the edge I have never put piping in anything before and I think there's really nothing better when you're trying to write instructions for something is actually being a learner yourself because you understand you know the things that are difficult you're not writing instructions as though you're an old hand at it and you assume a certain level of knowledge but I was it's really the first time I've made piping so I tried to make the instructions clear enough for someone who's not done piping before I was very pleased that it was not as difficult as I thought especially getting these curved corners I really thought that that might be tricky and look a mess but in the end it doesn't look too bad and I'm pretty pleased with it not quite sure what I'm gonna do with the finished cushion we tend to have functional furnishings in this house because we have a small dog and this is a little bit too precious I think to put on the sofa where the dog might sit on it so I'm not sure I think I might end up giving it as a gift to someone in my family but I'm really really pleased with how it turned out and obviously I took it down to the beach to take some photos all of it [Music] the other sewing project I've been working on has also involved a little bit of embroidery so I took one of the drawings of seashells that I had drawn for earlier in the green bean and I enlarged it and transferred it onto a piece of linen fabric to do some embroidery the product they used to transfer it has the most ridiculous name and I came across the product because my friend Molly who has the wild olive blog and is an embroidery designer she uses it for transferring her work onto fabric and as far as I'm concerned she's the pinnacle of embroidery knowledge so if she uses a product it must be good and I gave this thing a try and I wasn't disappointed even though it's called sulky sticky fabrice all V which must be the worst product name I have ever heard in my life so nonetheless it's a brilliant product so what you do you can draw onto it it feels like fabric you take out the packet it feels like fabric and you can draw your design onto it you can also put it through a home printer so if you're not confident drawing or tracing you can actually print their design directly from your computer onto this water-soluble fabric I don't know if I said that already so then you cut your design out so you have it you make a little sticker basically peel the backing off and stick it onto your fabric and then you pop your fabric into your embroidery hoop and do your work stitching over the lines that you've drawn on this soluble fabric and that's it it's as simple as that so it gives you a line to follow when you're stitching and it also it helps to stabilize the fabric as well if you're using the fabric that's a little bit fine or delicate then it adds an extra layer to keep it sturdy while you're sewing it and then what happens when you've finished embroidering your design is you simply soak it in water you leave it for a few minutes and the sulky sticky Fabrice RV dissolves away now in the case of the embroidery that I did it was quite a closed design so I had to work my fingers into it a little bit in order to get all of the soluble fabric to disappear but yeah it just dissolves into the water and it's no more I am slightly concerned about what that means environmentally I don't know I assume that the product is made of some kind of plastic so I definitely want to do some research and find out exactly what it's made of and what potential effect that might have on the environment before it becomes a staple product that I want to use all the time and definitely want to give that some thought because I'm not entirely convinced it's environmentally friendly so I just wanted to mention that because I I don't know at this stage what the product is made of so I'm I want to look into that but yeah once the embroidery is on the fabric then I went about turning the fabric into this little bag it's just a really simple drawstring project bag or shell collecting bag which is what I had in mind for it at the moment it's got my cockle socks inside from my visit to the beach where I photographed everything so at the bottom it has a piece of shell fabric again it's a fabric that I designed I just want to say a few quick words in praise of spoon flour and how liberating it is to be a freelance designer in 2019 to be able to come up with a repeating print of your own design simply send it off and have fabric made in a small piece a big piece or a humongous piece you know 15-20 years ago even that wouldn't have been a possibility for an independent designer to produce fabric from their work or so it's incredible to have that opportunity if you haven't come across spoon flour it's a amazing and dangerous website if you like fabric basically as a platform where designers can upload their unique designs and if they choose to they can make them available to sale for sale to the public as well so it's a great platform and I'm really enjoying playing with it and making my own fabrics for the first time so this at the bottom is on both sides that's the fabric that I designed it's just a cotton this is the black linen that I used with the embroidery on it and then just some cotton piping cord to draw the back together it's not lined it's a really really simple sewing project it would definitely be a good first sewing project if you're not the most confident so err so yeah those are the the two sewing projects that are going to be in the green bean and I definitely feel like I've got a bit of a taste for a broidery although I am feeling that I want to get back to a bit of garment sewing so perhaps you'll see some embroidery cropping up on some of my future garment projects [Music] thank you so much for watching another episode the green bean podcast I hope you've enjoyed seeing what I've been up to and I've certainly enjoyed taking you to my favorite beach if you want to keep up with me between now and the next episode my handle on social media is Katy green bean and the best place to find me is Instagram because actually that's the only one that I use I'm also reasonably Ravelry but Instagram is the best place to find me if you want to support the podcast we have a page on patreon which is patreon.com forward slash Katy green bean you can access various different benefits there if you're interested or able to financially support the podcast I very much appreciate it a little bit of news before I go so I know lots of you are involved in the knitting community and are either coming or feeling sad about not coming to Edinburgh yarn festival which is coming up at the end of March in case you didn't know already I am gonna be having a pop up stand free arm festival I'm going to be there on all three days of the main festival and the Sunday selling some of my Illustrated work I'll be selling my sheep breeds posted at which you saw me working on in the last episode and a few other things I'm hesitant to announce what the things are because they haven't arrived with me yet and I don't want to talk about a product that potentially won't arrive in time in case people get excited about it and then it actually arrives late and I can't have it so what I'll say is if you're interested in finding I want gonna have keep up with me on Instagram and that's where I'll share the products as they arrive with me so I know that I am going to have them there one thing I am certainly going to have is the new issue of the green bean because I've just sent that to the printers which is so exciting I yeah I can't really quite believe that I've managed to do it after five years of trying and not managing so I got it all together I sent it to the printers yesterday so that will be coming with me to Edinburgh and everything that I take with me to Edinburgh will be going online in my Etsy shop afterwards so don't feel like I'm making things that are exclusively threateningly on festival and you're gonna miss out if you can't make it or you've never even heard of it and don't know what it's all the fuss is about don't worry everything's gonna be available on Etsy afterwards if you can't wait until then what I have done is made all of the back issues of the green bean so the ones I made between 2010 and 2014 available as digital downloads on Etsy and there are a very few paper copies left at the time of recording possibly they might have gone but at the time of recording there's a few paper copies left and all of the digital issues available to download in my Etsy shop what I will say is please bear in mind that they were made by Katie five to nine years ago when I look at them I very much see that my work has progressed since then which is a great thing to see you know that's what we're always striving for as artists and as people I think is to improve upon what we've done before and and grow and develop so I'm glad to see that but I also feel like oh that's not quite as good as it could be or I'd like to reach all that or you know but I also think there's value in presenting things as they were and I know a lot of people have been asking me for access to the former issues of the green means so I'm really pleased to been able to get my act together and make those available for you as well that's it I think I'll just finish by saying thank you again for your support of the podcast over the past year I've really enjoyed the process of learning how to do this and getting comfortable sitting in front of camera and it seems like you've enjoyed watching me too but I think that you might just have enjoyed getting to know Jack and that's fine because Jack seems to quite enjoy podcasting - thank you so much and I will see you next time if not in Edinburgh take care bye [Music]

Channel: Katie Green

Views: 18,756

Keywords: drawing, knitting, sewing, craft podcast, knitting podcast, drawing podcast, artist, illustrator, zine, self publishing

Id: 81FXhloU9pA

Length: 56min 31sec (3391 seconds)

Published: Sun Mar 10 2019