The Gilmour Effect - The “Shredders are Boring” Argument

what's up everyone happy friday oh boy i can't believe a week has passed since uh the uh last live stream it was a fun one i had a lot of a lot of comments on that one good to see everyone this is one of my favorite topics we're going to talk about today that i call the gilmore effect i've been wanting to make this video for a long time and i thought i'm going to do it as a live stream because i i like to just riff on this um it's an argument i've been having for years and i always notice this in the comments section on my videos especially anything that is technically uh what's that just like echo okay let's see here what if i do this can is that echo now or not check one two three can you hear me or not i'll let you know check one two three one two three one two three check one two three is it is it muted now can you feel that goes it still echoes you sure okay how bad is it billy it's very minimal it's not okay yeah i don't know why okay we can't figure this out sounds fine there we go thanks deb um so i did a video oh let me let me do a little housekeeping here discount code for today we're gonna do the bundle sale again as we did um as we did last week 50 off the biato book youtube instagram transcription bundle 650 75 pages something like that uh and the discount code is rb724 today's date it'll be uh in effect through today and through tomorrow night midnight eastern everything good the echo got worse got worse more like reverb hold on okay let's see if this is the case now um i just uh turned it off now that's better is it better okay all right i think there are two input sources that's why so um okay so i have this discussion with billy i have the discussion with with uh rhett shul all the time um we live in an era where the greatest virtuosos on guitar are alive right now the the people that are the technically most proficient players that have ever lived are alive right now and making videos for the most part on instagram some of them on youtube some on facebook but i would say most of them are on uh on instagram okay um when i say technical virtuosis i mean people that are that play things that have never been played before just absolute super shredders as i call them now anybody that knows me knows that i like people that i like people that play things but my saying is or that can play fast but my saying is it's not playing fast it's what you play when you play fast right if you slow down the lines of michael brecker sax player or george benson or west montgomery or you know guthrie govan or frank gambali what they're playing slow them down and they're still amazing okay that is really to the tr to me the true virtuoso now historically i did this video called uh what makes a virtuoso and it's about i give demonstrations of different virtuosos that are out there through you know on all different instruments people from vinnie cal yuda dennis chambers to buddy rich on drums uh you know on the piano i think i had i had martha argridge yushuang i had uh george zifra i had um uh who else did i have i had a bunch of people on there glenn gould so i talked about about kind of the history of virtuosos then i had a lot of guitar virtu virtuos is on there too um and if you go back historically all the greatest composers were virtuosos bach beethoven mozart chopin not not only were they great were they virtuosos they were the greatest you know composers and they were improvisers okay so this uh it there wasn't a time it didn't happen people didn't start specializing as soloists where they were um uh uh you know kind of like relief pitchers in baseball right you in the early part of the 20th century you still had pianists that were composers rachmaninoff that were virtuosos that played their own pieces prokofiev bartok all these composers and that were pianists in the early part of the 20th century played their compositions but then you had you started having people richter horowitz and we're talking about the piano then you had violinists like pearlman and heifetz uh all these great uh musicians that uh that were specialists as performers that weren't necessarily composers okay that uh that you know would be like relief pitchers in baseball you you kind of you know used to in the 60s you'd have uh teams or 1972 the baltimore orioles had four 20-game winners right now you would never have 420 game winners anymore because people have specialized you don't let people pitch complete games right um so here's the thing this david gilmour effect let's talk about that for a minute the reason that i say this is because i always see the same argument and i love david gilmore i'm going to read you some comments from this what makes a virtuoso video uh let's say hallelujah on your ladder point i'll take david gilmore over mom's steam any day not knocking fast guys i just enjoy field groove style inventiveness over speed why for the same reason i prefer not to hear someone speaking to me a million miles an hour much more compelling to hear rise and fall flow mixed with pauses purposefulness good word an emphasis etc um another person i'll take david gilmore steve hackett steve hell well-crafted guitar solo over any of these circus clowns on the video okay another person here um david gilmour is an absolute virtuoso because because he's the fastest guitarist in the piano on the planet no because of his amazing phrasing and sense of what is needed where for the song another person here david gilmour is an example i don't think so amazing yes but not a virtuoso um let's see here and then this person goes into virtuoso definition is uh one who excels is from webster's dictionary one who excels in in the technique of an art a virtuous virtuoso can basically play anything you throw in front of them without any struggle um is what the person goes on to say you could virtually throw any piece of music in front of yngwie and he could play it gilmore couldn't okay so this guy's taking the the other sense of the argument and here's another one impressive but i'd rather listen to gilmore or bb king next one speed is not some synonymous with virtuosity transmitting emotions on a single note is more so listen to david gilmour okay that is the gilmore effect anytime i post a video about virtuosity or with any technical people that have super chops super shredders i always wait for the gilmore comments um and what's interesting is if you go back and look at guitarists um the most famous guitarist probably of the last 60 years or so i saw brian may on here is he a a virtuoso no is jimi hendrix a virtuoso not really not like the virtuosos of today neither is eric clapton his nickname was slohan right bb king as we talked about jimmy page jimmy page of virtuoso no angus young no jeff becca virtuoso yeah jeff beck's kind of a virtuoso i think uh slash is he virtuoso no no not like these people not like people that are my good friends many of them on that are are on instagram and and incredibly great players right but the interesting thing that i find is that um there's a disconnect between shredders and improvisers it's very rare to see people that are um that are shredders that are also improvisers okay let me talk about that okay i'm gonna not uh talk about my sale one more time here because i know i'll forget discount code 50 off my biato book instagram transcription youtube bundle that's 650 pages so i make a living for my channel because all my d monetizations if you want to support the channel you do that or my ear training course is 30 off same discount code rb724 support the channel become a member of the biato club if you have my book or you can buy a t-shirt mug whatever okay you guys are the best okay um so i notice a disconnect between um if you look on instagram for example because a lot of people are not on youtube because it takes a certain type of person to want to make youtube videos because youtube videos are long form videos right um so most of the people that are on instagram are not improvisers they they they are composers i guess you would call them they actually work out their solos perfect them and they play them the same way every time the virtuoso improviser is much more rare this to me is the ultimate um player this is the ultimate virtuoso now i love virtuosos martha argridge is one of my favorite pianists if you don't know martha argridge you should know her she's 79 years old and she's still well if people were out playing right now she'd still be out playing concerts but go look her up on youtube she was born in 1941 and she is a world class one of my favorite pianists she's just incredible watch her play for coffee has third piano concerto prick off his first piano concerto chopin piano concerto the rachmaninoff third piano concerto i mean these are all on youtube oh my god just go watch her just go on a martha arge binge she is is ridiculous okay um but the pieces that she's playing which she's playing all from memory these concertos run from 28 to 42 minutes okay that she plays from memory with no mistakes even in her 70s it's mind-boggling that she can do this she's a super virtuoso okay but people that can improvise i'll throw out some names of people that have incredible chops that were improvisers alan holdsworth was an improviser pat metheny has great jobs he doesn't have the chops of he has great chops in his own ways he's got incredibly sophisticated ideas that are very hard to play and a sense of melody that is that is to me one of the very best uh george benson is a virtuoso that is an improviser and george benson if there george benson to me was never represented on record like he is on youtube now this is one of the people that uh that to me he and oscar peterson there's so much great footage of them from live gigs on youtube that i mean to me fills in their legacy uh as the greatest uh as the greatest players joe pass come on he made the record record called virtuoso it's the record that i that changed my life because my dad gave it to me when i was in 10th grade and said if you can learn to play like this you've accomplished something with your life and my dad was not a musician but he liked he liked joe pass he liked oscar he liked virtuosos right somebody said eric johnson here eric johnson is a virtuoso and eric johnson can improvise and he can phrase well right beautiful plays beautiful beautiful ideas guthrie govind one of the greatest improvisers and has uh just he's a super virtuoso right any of you that don't know guthrie should know him uh he has unbelievably inventive phrasing incredible feel uh never plays a bad note never ever plays a bad note um i saw somebody stevie ray vaughn stevie ray vaughan was a virtuoso i believe right uh stevie ray vaughan never played a bad note he'd break a string and not play a bad note keith jarrett was a virtuoso improviser okay there's but there's not a lot of them i mean those of you that that keith jarrett i don't talk about on my channel here because he's on ecm records and they literally block every piece of content on youtube and his legacy is is unfortunately disappearing but those of you that you guys should know keith jarrett he's an incredible improviser one of the greatest of all time one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st century um so uh so to me the people that can improvise and our virtuosos that is a special category around um i would say in there's there was a a defining line that happened in the 80s and and one of the reasons i see jason becker on there too jason becker marty friedman these are virtuosos what started happening in the 80s is that they started um uh steve vi virtuoso there started to be um people started to get concerned about studio time and being prepared when they go into sessions and they would work out their solos so a lot of 80s metal has worked out solos virtually all of 80s metal has worked out solos there's a very specific amount of time that you have for a solo they were shorter even van halen uh who's a great improviser uh most of his solos were you know on the first record and everything i'm not sure that they were all worked out eddie is an incredibly good improviser but there was um you know some of the things he would play the same when no i mean when he played live he would always improvise around the things and come back he'd keep some of the same themes if he played eruption look at any live performance the tremolo part he would kind of play the same but but the intro would be the same but then there'd be a lot of improvisation in there and eddie was a 70s player all the 70s players for the most part peter frampton terry cath um you know jimi hendrix uh all the 70s guitar players because they had a longer time to stretch out over songs they would improvise the other reason is is because they were blues players and there's two genres of music historically that involve improvisation blues and jazz okay and if you look at guys like joe bonamassa improvises um every blues guitar player bb king freddy king albert king i mean the all these guys are improvisers that's part of that of the genre of music is improvising okay so the same thing with jazz and fusion frank gambali virtuoso john mclaughlin virtuoso um but when it came to the 80s you really saw a split there where there were very few improvised solos on records anymore it just it it started being um it just wasn't part of the of the the way that people made records uh you could say that uh um [Music] that you know pearl jam things like that i saw somebody mention that mike mccready he would he would pretty much improvise his solos but he was working with a very limited palette uh of you know hendrix-based blues guitar playing and things like that not a virtuoso right uh so uh so i always will say you know people ask me why and i see jerry garcia stop saying jerry garcia okay jerry garcia jerry garcia improvised i don't talk about jerry garcia on here because jerry garcia blocks videos i it's ironic that that the grateful dead who made their name from uh from um from sharing from sharing tapes of live performances now his estate blocks videos anything on youtube that uses anything from any grateful dead thing you'll get your video blocked which is pretty hilarious uh i bet people don't even realize this right so that's why i don't talk about jerry on here right so um um so people will ask me okay why does so and so not have a big instagram following or why is this or why is that and and um i think that people that are young this is going to be generalization there but people that have fast brains i'm 58 years old people that have fast brains uh like faster music i think their brains you know uh you tend to find people that get to be my age that want to hear things they want to go back and hear yellow bb king and clapton and things like that right the the guys today uh don't interest them as much because they're they don't have that uh guys and females today uh don't have that same um um they don't they're not interested in shredding it's just they just don't find it interesting because it takes more work to listen to things that are fast because your brain has to decipher all these different ideas that are coming at you really fast okay and one of the things too that that gets lost the faster you play the harder it is to play dynamically the harder it is to play ideas that make sense okay if you're playing at a fast tempo phrasing becomes much more difficult because you have to make split-second decisions on ideas that you're that you're using and how to develop them that's why when i hear guthrie play he is really great at that he can play and develop ideas so quickly um uh i'll tell you a great virtuoso is um um is uh why am i drawing a blank here billy slide who's the slide player um oh my god derek trucks virtuoso ridiculous right um so the i think the most difficult thing to do is to play is to have chops and play interesting melodic ideas van halen was one of the best at it he really was he could meld those things those two things the virtuosity and the melodicism um uh you know joe satriani was a very melodic player um nuno bettencourt nuno now nuno's uh is a person that doesn't get mentioned a lot i mean nuno is a real virtuoso paul gilbert is a virtuoso these guys could have incredible chops but but to be able to play things that that have um to be able to play this things that people can sing and relate to and have you know the the technique that can blow people away when you need it to somebody like neil shone is a person like that that's another great example neil shone from journey has explosive technique even to this day if you go to his instagram page and watch he's got incredible chops he always did and he's just one of the most melodic players pretty much all the guys that that played on all the steely dan records larry carlton uh all those guys were virtuosos right they they could play anything they could improvise guys like robin ford just you know they had incredibly good shops and they could improvise and they could develop ideas so uh i see all these names in here i see a steve lukather is a virtuoso uh also somebody that can improvise and uh and was was one of the best session players ever um now the virtuosos today tosan abbasi my dear friend tosin is uh is a virtuoso for sure i mean tosin is doing things that that nobody uh or very few people i mean i think pitocin does stuff that that nobody's done before in the guitar and to me what's interesting and i i love the fact that there are some of the greatest guitar players ever that are alive today making content all the time and i've made a couple videos on this channel about people that i follow on instagram and on youtube that are some of my favorite players that i have have you know that are virtuosos and um playing some of the most difficult and interesting not just difficult but interesting linear things melodic ideas um you know that there ever have been so this is i i think it's a great time that we live in you know people get down uh sometimes about guitar music and i've i've run into this myself that uh where i talk about um where i talk about you know the role of guitar in popular music that uh you know that there is no guitar in popular music yet guitar is very popular right now guitar is absolutely popular right now and uh it's just popular in a different way um okay before i go on discount code rb 724 50 off my biato book instagram transcription bundle uh 30 off the um uh my beato ear training that's why i support my channel that's how i'm able to make videos and not do any type of you know ads or anything like that um i wanted to uh talk for a minute about my video that i made on my dear friend johnny diamond that i put out a couple days ago um the comment section was really um was great it meant a lot i read through the comments and it was just so uplifting to hear uh these the outpouring about johnny it was a tough video to make it's something that i've wanted to talk about for um for a long time for those of you that haven't seen my video on johnny um it's called why my record label failed i didn't want it to be a memoriam of johnny because i i i wanted to tell the story which i think was an important one that i had a record label with my friend johnny and um uh and i just really appreciate all the comments it's um it really meant a lot to me uh it was difficult to do um [Music] to lose someone in that way 30 years old 31 years old [Music] you know he used to come here every day he worked out of my studio where i have my white board where i do my whiteboard videos that's where johnny's desk was right there there wasn't a whiteboard there he had a map and he booked bands and he ran his management company out of here and um every time i walk in there i still think of it that that's johnny's space right there so um anyways that i just want to say again it meant a lot to me too for people to uh you know that said so many great things and there were some really sad comments in there as well um if you haven't seen the video please watch it um any anyhow so that's uh that's what i have to say on this topic um if i if i had to to to give you one thing to take away from this um i always say perfection is the enemy of the good right don't worry about playing perfectly because perfect many times is not interesting to people it's always the little flaws that that give it character give it vibe okay um my friend tom would always say about you know when you're accompanying somebody play simply so that others may simply play right if you can play great you know if you can cord be behind somebody you can comp behind somebody with great feel it elevates their playing and makes them play better and ultimately that's the best of both worlds or the people that can play musically and that can uh provide something for people to improvise over that's inspiring so i just wanted to leave that um i just leave that for you guys so uh there's a lot of interesting comments i'm watching going on here uh discount code rb724 50 off my my biato book youtube instagram transcription bundle and 30 off the um your training course be out of your training course thank you so much you guys are amazing always enjoy these live streams we'll see you later have a great weekend bye

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Published: Fri Jul 24 2020