The Dragons Clash With a Tempered 'Control Freak' | Dragon's Den

[Music] I've worked hard to be where I am today and I've suffered a lot I've slept in my car I had no money I didn't have a wash for four days because I was that busy and I didn't have a place to sleep I want to be able to show people that it doesn't matter where you come from anything is possible use every negative source in your life as a positive and you will never ever fail each one of those dragons has the key to success in their own mind one of those keys is going to fit a lot to my success how you doing my name is Mark I'm the director of pro games I'm here to ask for a 5% investment four hundred twenty-five thousand pounds what programs is we started in January 2015 with this product I believe that we've set up a product where we can have tailor-made nutrition which they can decide what meals they're like through our website so they can select an individual protein individual carb individual veg or delivered fresh straight to your door in August we started trading as of today we've turned over a quarter of a million at the moment within two weeks I'm going to be in a position where my kitchen can handle twenty thousand units a day which means you can turn over 25 million in a year with with the unit that I'm in right now so there's no problem with movement I believe that with your expertise with your knowledge then this this investment is a no-brainer so can I describe what I think you've got here because I I don't know whether I missed it but I wasn't really clear I think you've got a food based business yeah people transact through a website right yeah so I go onto your website yeah do you tell me the type of thing I should be eating or do I just shop we have both options so you can select whether you want weight loss bodybuilding and also you know emailing us with advice with your macros which we pacifically do to your needs um so prou grains so goes game that's right pro games to progress is the motto okay and is there any sort of protection or anything on any of this we're trademarked and we're in dispute with a company called maxi muscle for the trademark which they're objecting to because they have a bar called pro game gosh I stumbled across something there didn't I yeah yeah that was and I was always open to Simon right so pro pro game I use your program is actually technically protected so legally you have a free trade market yeah I've got you've got the papers yes not yeah okay then what happened obviously we applied for the trademark it was granted but then there was an objection by this company and we've that before it was granted or after it was gone oh it was granted and then they objected how much money be spent on that so far hundred seventy pound it was what to get the trademark it's okay if anyone does that some really really cheap to something that's unbelievably cheap 103 you spend a hundred and seventy five pounds to get your trademark yeah that's how much it cost - yeah I've got the certificates for you to look at actually can I look at the system yeah [Music] [Music] it's this the only baby got another piece of paper that's what I think that's all I've give you here I mean yeah it's not trademarked is it well now that's what I've been sent to it is an examination and acceptance an acceptance of a trademark application yeah for publication yeah do not please don't look me in the eye and tell me you thought for one second that was a traitement I'll be honest with you I didn't even look at he might my father is my Karen I asked him to a my trademarks he said yes you know as far as I'm concerned I'm a businessman where I know how to sell a product and I'm good at market you also know how to tell me you've got a trademark when I asked several time which I honestly believed I had right how do I know what else is going on in the business that you're telling me and I haven't got because if you ask me I'll tell you but you've just asked yeah this is like arguing with cotton wool I'm here to be an open book and obviously you're not an open though okay because clearly yeah you told me category these several times you got a trademark any happier so what else see you're completely wrong about in your business that's pretty much it because that's the only thing I'm not in control of that's the only thing I'm not in control of I'm a control freak which bit do you have control of running of the business that everybody's running of the business being making the food no I going boating promoting programs when you don't grow the brand I'm promoting the product when you don't earn the brand well it what I'm the business program pro games Pro get what whichever you know what else Pro gains you don't own programming it's not your trade the company the company I own the company which is what's making me money not the trademark the company a fractious exchange and despite the entrepreneurs spirited defense of his lack of trademark Deborah Medan is not impressed and now Peter Jones seems to be warming up to one of his favorite subjects the hefty price tag Marco has placed on his company where did you get that this is worth two and a half million pounds I don't think it's worth two and a half million I'm basically valuing it on the progression of the company as this month alone I've turned over 80,000 but if I gave you two and a half million pounds to buy this brand off you today yeah I wouldn't sell it will you be mad and I wouldn't be mad if I gave you $2 million pounds you go surely go Beach and smoke your cigar no no way that's not enough for me to smoke cigars I need 20 million minimum what I'm here to succeed and I'm gonna succeed in my product I'm not convinced that I could even make this worth 2 million if I like it will I will it's worth a million now oh right it's worth a million yeah sorry yeah sorry is that what you want you to know sorry yes that's worth Emilio that means that you're thinking that 425 thousand you get something like 12% now you're our first well since then 5% oh no no you've just told us the business is worth a million correct so you're gonna change your ask no the reason why I'm not changing my ask is because I believe in my product and I know it's going to succeed and we've you lot involved I'm gonna get there quicker whether you're also saying with your help now you are accepting that this is very different from us just writing a check of course you would expect one of us to be able to open doors which would enable your business to become worth more money no no it's gonna be worth more with you it's going to make my success quicker yes we make your business that if we make it quicker it would make your business worth more yeah that year first speed yes Marco can I just ask you a question have you ever watched Dragons Den yeah yeah of course sue have you ever seen anybody walk into the den and say my business is worth half of what I'm asking you to invest in but I'm not going to change the valuation and want you to invest Rhys have you ever met someone who's got that ambitious that he wants to be free from life and be a billionaire how many people do you think we see standing in front us telling us that their businesses are going to be worth a four-pound how many people do you know that I've started in August and turned over a quarter of a million in that one yeah okay and how well are they doing well well right and that's what I'm doing I want to do better than well I want to be the best meal prep company have you got something in your past that can help me get across that line and believe that what have you made I've done our businesses eventually sorry I just shut me out my life is to do with sales and that's where I've give that got these confidence and so have you had a business it's been really really successful in the past I've run other people's businesses where I've run strip clubs and bars abroad you see I wasn't expecting that so you can imagine what I was doing there you know so no I will not be imagining my girlfriend won't be too happy girlfriend or wife girlfriend future fiance she's she's one of the Pitts yet she's one of the pinnacle reasons why I'm succeeding I slept in the car for six months with my girlfriend working thirty eight hour shifts cooking delivering doing everything from the bottom Marco Oliver is it and I mean this genuinely all of that is very very admirable guys I solutely I absolutely I mean that it's very admirable but the outcome of that is not always a successful business if it was as easy as saying I'm gonna give everything up and sleep on the floor and then one day I'll be really really well that's not what we got to understand the mechanics of business yeah and to be honest your pitch so far has been all over the place yeah of course I know it's not good enough to say that you don't know you got a trade market is not good enough to say that you your I lose half the value that you've asked us none of that is good enough and that's the bit you've disappointed on yeah yeah not the sales bit no of course so I'm really sorry but I won't be investing I'm at a reality check from Deborah Medan as perhaps inevitably she becomes the first dragon to refuse to back the self-assured entrepreneur but touka Suleiman hasn't quite given up the ghost on Marco or his nutritious meal business I love you drive your passion however my biggest concern yeah would be helping safety and hygiene raha yeah for instance one of my biggest customers marks of Spencer's yeah so is your factory or your kitchen my kitchen area Yuli converted into anybody to come and inspect III it's funny that you should say that because one of my meetings was when I first moved into the uni is I went ballistic because of how messy their lefty when I licked the desk and I said this is how clean it should be about to lick the desk and you you know if you imagine all the stuff trying to keep a hot hour straight face when I was doing that and you know I kept it well there you go you know and I said that's how clean my kitchen should be and if he's not clean like that ask yourself why you said last month you turned over 80,000 how many meals is that I'm averaging five thousand meals a week so you're a quarter of the way there towards your target really impressive and who are you selling those five thousand meals a week to every Tom Dick and Harry the hiccups that I've got now I'm here to commend those and iron those pickups we've one of you involved I'm sorry that person isn't me I'm not going to be the person to get you there so good luck I think I'm afraid I'm out I know what it's like to sleep on the floor yeah I spent eight months of my life in a warehouse yeah and I didn't even have warm water I didn't have any money yeah there's a little part of me that took me back 20 years and it's in you and I can see it you do have something you do have a business that has delivered a quarter of a million pounds worth of Revenue its crew not many people can go and do that from nothing now and you've done it do you know what you're at the type of individual that is wholly investable with a bit of help however there's a big difference though when I have dreamt and there's nothing wrong with having ridiculous dreams because you're coming across as frankly ridiculous okay with your statements about your aspirations and your dreams when it's not backed up with some real business sent my driver hang again Marco I'm not going to invest okay but I'm gonna send you on your way saying good luck to you and I hope in life we'll meet again to be good for you we'll meet again and bye man thank you very much good good thank you thank you so Marco is leaving the den without a dragon investor and his trademark application was subsequently refused and he's since given the company a new name I believe that they feared me they feared my dominance you know their dragons but I'm a bigger dragon I'm an evolved dragon it's a powerful mindset that I've got no and I'm just an evolution of what they are you

Channel: Dragons' Den

Views: 1,472,206

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Keywords: evan davis, deborah meaden, peter jones, touker suleyman, tej lalvani, business pitching, entrepreneur, reality tv, shark tank, dragons, den, best, bits, 2018, new, series, worst, pitches, funniest, moments, most, shocking, ideas, products, businesses, dragons den worst pitches, dragons den funny, dragons den 2018, dragons den season 16, dragons den series 16, pro gains, professional gains, dragons den, dragons den uk

Id: o576k7kwiCM

Length: 13min 3sec (783 seconds)

Published: Sat Jul 06 2019

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[u/[deleted]]

Positivity cult + alpha male theory = evolved dragon

[u/maxwell-alive]

This is what narcissistic personality disorder looks like.

[u/[deleted]]

wow, he is insufferable. i dread dealing with people like him.

[u/AngryOrca1]

Ok, the first part where he made a mistake in the trademark issue I can get past, showed is immaturity in the field. Once he got to the garbage regarding the valuation...boy this guy demonstrated he has no business tactics.

Also the last part "They feared my dominance", oh god this guy learns nothing from anyone.

[u/TxEagleDeathclaw81]

Wow that was great! I couldn’t stand him answering her with questions and the trademark thing. How good is food anyway? I enjoyed that!