Tegan and Sara on coming out, twin sisterhood and hitting the big time

I was talking in the beginning before you guys started singing about you know picturing yourself in grade 10 and I couldn't help but think about myself in grade 10 tell us about it so I was uncomfortable I didn't have any acne I was tall for my age but I played the banjo so you had things working for you he can help you what were you like a good time uh you know it's funny obviously you spent the last 18 months in my adolescence like writing this memoir so I've spent a lot of time with the video footage and the photos and the journal so I know exactly what I was like in grade 10 but had you asked me 18 months ago before I started this journey I would have said I don't know I was like you know silly and sweet and we were huge clothes and we were kind of awkward but really outgoing and when I started looking through the footage and the you know journals and I think most of that existed but I was shocked at how I was shocked at how confident I was I think I remembered myself as being maybe a little more introverted and and there was an enormous amount of confidence in the way that I wrote to my friends in the videos I'm very outgoing I I'm quite articulate about what I want from my life what I like you know who I think I am you know I had really I think that over the last 20 years I had lost touch with that and and had really kind of pictured myself as different than I was and I was actually really pleased to see that so much of the person I am today existed back then but I also had acne my clothes are just way too big I mean I kind of still dress like that but um I I look physically uncomfortable in my skin and I think I felt that way as a teenager I think I was really uncomfortable in my body I didn't have any language to explain it but I think I think that I was very feminine and I don't think I wanted to be you know and just there's a lot of gay women have this in common but before we figure out who we are and we come out often times we just like have long hair because we don't know what to do with it and we're so terrified of cutting it off because we think it'll it'll signal to everyone like gay gay okay so it's like I just when I see myself on camera that's the only thing that really pains me is I can just see them very uncomfortable with my chest very uncomfortable with my hips I'm covering up a lot of my body and my hair is just big and there's a lot of it and I I can really see by the time I hit grade 12 when I really you know music starts to happen and I really start to find myself I cut all my hair off and I just I look like me now but I think it is it is nice when you sort of remember yourself is better than you than you actually were you see you see positive qualities you have now and you say okay well maybe they were always there yeah I hear what you're saying there yeah I was really complicated at fifteen because I I had started having like a secret sexual relationship with a girl and I no one knew besides the girl that I was having so that was isolating and I started that relationship around the same time that I started a relationship to drugs and alcohol so that was complicated and high-risk and there was it was hard to go back and actually read a lot of the notes that I had written around that time like I mean I'm a jerk I'm you know a really obnoxious kid I'm doing all the things you would expect a teenager to do and say and whatever when they're when they're sort of pushing against Authority but there's also a lot of pain and reading the letters I was really struck by how acute that was at fifteen and you know and we all say like oh teenagers are moody or like I've been asked in interviews like you know tell me about this angst and it just none of it really seems to really tap into what I think was like a like a real global sense of like distress shame and like real like actual sense of fear about my future because I I think and it's important just for context I mean I was realizing that I was gay before high school so I mean I'm talking about like the the early 1990s leaned 1980s and so you know as a young person has a small kid my my memory of like who did I know who was gay I remember probably one of my first introductions to the idea of homosexuality this is gonna be really dark but it was Jeffrey Dahmer the serial killer who killed gay men and I remember reading yeah I know it's it is really dark but like I didn't know what homosexuality was unless I was hearing about it on the news and in most cases in the night especially in the 1990s you know my exposure to homosexuality and that was what it was referred to as it was lesbianism and homosexuality was very clinical and so I was a young person I recognized the description of the people who were usually either being you know like there was Vytas all violent it was Violent Crimes it was violent crimes being committed against queer people or violent crimes being committed by by you know people who were very unwell who were queer and so I was absorbing a lot of that and then then just the language that was was was used so commonly back then like homophobic slurs and that was that was it that was my introduction to homosexuality and then also the you know around the time that I hit puberty and probably a little bit before that I was like oh and I'm also gay so like what let's see what do I have on my docket here I can like like be like I've been potentially facing violence like I actually really remember making that connection remember feeling like oh there's there's there's a very unsafe road ahead oh absolutely I did not have any example that let me think that there was anything but that ahead of me and obviously as I was became a teenager and started to have more what awareness and you know I mean people like on a DeFranco or even some of the older artists that my mom listed - like Katie Lange and Melissa Etheridge or Elton John like that stuff seemed I mean yes those people were queer they were talking about their sexuality but they were adults who were world famous millionaire yeah like I wasn't like it wasn't little true icons yeah and like in my my my sort of like in my inner world in my environment you know I knew of some queer people and no one talked about it I had friends whose parents I thought might be queer they didn't talk about it I thought my drama teacher in high school was gay no one talked about it except to make fun of you know the fact that he might be yeah and I sort of always had this kind of I guess I just had an overwhelming anxiety about it and so you know when I go back and I look at that person at 15 I don't think it's an over dramatization to say that I really was distressed so we were a ton of fun yeah I'm real joyful joy you're just it was wild he was lollipops and rainbows we were guys over here things are good in the old Q studio there was the other side of it but I guess like what I what I liked about I mean I liked a lot of stuff about the book but one of the things I liked about the book was sort of dispelling the and I'm sorry Mitch you have to do this a lot of the boat around being twins you know and a lot of the assumptions around that and that's and I'm not gonna I don't want to get into that so but I do want to ask this like what is it like there should be clear for people listening to this what I mean by that is that you guys didn't know everything that was going on with each other's lives we did not read each other's minds that's a very that's very funny moment God you can't know how many times we've been asked this I mean it's hard to cover it in one anecdote but it's like we have been asked an infinite number of times can we read each other's minds like in people are serious oh yeah you taking them our comeback has always been if I could read her mind I'd be doing like something in Vegas with her or something like slogging it out as a musician with two pairs of pants this is - Tegan what is it like - then to read what Sara was going through back then in this book because that's the odd part of it right sure yeah I think part of what drove us to want to write this book is that people have certainly been asking us to share more of our story in different formats and we actually a year and a half ago when we decided to embark on this journey we'd actually been considering a podcast as well and we talked about yeah but the book just ended up taking up so much real estate we were like okay let's focus on that but but we had a desire to share our story the origin of our band the origin of you know creating like you know our musical project and you know coming of age and you know all of that stuff but I also think we really did wanted to spell a lot of the the myths and you know kind of imagined projections that people put on us and us as individuals as Tegan and Sara but also as twins and as women I think this assumption that we've just we're each other's best friend we've told each other everything even though we were Outsiders and we were different and we were both queer we found comfort in each other because we were able to confide in each other and we've spent 20 years traveling the world just having the best time and it's like can you hear air quotes and so we wanted to talk about that we wanted to talk about the complex nature of being an identical twin of sharing your identity of desperately needing to create an independent you know world and and to be your own individual person to celebrate what you have created together but also to need and desire things outside of this world and and that'll started in in in childhood you know Sarah and I we were unique so we were almost Sarah always says likens it to we were almost famous because people were always like it's the twins they're the twins or you guys twins and we got really used to a certain kind of attention and we learned how to use that and how to manipulate it and how to own it and how to make it feel good for us and how to deflect it but I think that we also both had a deep fear that it's the thing that made us special and so it are people interested in us because we're twins or they interested in us because we're talented are they interested in us as individuals or only when we're together yeah and what is our value without the other yeah and I think that that started when we were young but I think it really really started to become a big question for us in high school yeah I want to go back to something you said Sarah when you were talking about who you were in in grade 10 year and you were talking about you know coming out and you were talking about knowing you were gay and I guess when I was when I was reading this book I'm I've done enough work and I've read and learned enough to know that there's no coming out there's no such thing as a coming out narrative you know there's a lot of different ways of coming out its admit it could be very messy thing it can also be a very clean thing it can be a very beautiful thing it can be a very very hard thing and I feel like we in the media and also straight people tend to imbue a certain kind of narrative on coming out it usually comes from TV so I wondered I wondered though how much of this book whether intentionally or not is about presenting maybe another kind of narrative here yeah I think that that's been one of the big struggles of being in in our career is that sometimes it feels like you're trying to explain really complicated things with sound bites and you know we've been asked about our queer identity often over the years and it has sometimes felt like a headline has felt very surface and it hasn't always felt like it was something that was being controlled the story wasn't being really controlled by us it was it was just yeah being queer was really complicated I wanted I wanted to be proud of the fact that this was part of my identity but I also wanted to be respected as a musician and I think you know sort of taking control of that narrative and talking about my story and not letting it be a like theirs I keep saying like it is nothing against the It Gets Better campaign or this idea but like it cannot be chalked up to this tiny phrase like just because Tegan and I are comfortable publicly discussing the fact that we are that we identify as queer does not mean that it is tidy or that it is always okay I have always struggled with internalized homophobia I have III think that the trauma of those early memory or those early moments for me as a young queer person have affected me in adulthood in ways that only now can I even really start to sort of go back and think like maybe some of my discomfort and shame in my personal life is is a result of what happens in my professional life so like you know having people prize so much into our into our sexuality has made me feel deeply much more comfortable when I can be sort of anonymous in my own personal life and I you know I've struggled with you know feeling like just simple things like holding my girlfriend's hand on the street yeah I'm not good at that yeah and I know what that's about I know that that's about fear and that's about being judged and that's about being looked at and that's about physical safety and that doesn't always line up with what people think being gay is like now they're like yeah but the bank on the corner has a big rainbow float in the Pride Parade you happy girlfriend's hand crosswalks painted rainbow yeah or they're like you've been out since 1998 like how could you still be uncomfortable and I think you know we don't everybody has different different ways of dealing with their trauma Tegan is a much more comfortable gay person I don't know why she just is and I because of the things that happened to me and my experiences I I haven't always been and I think that is why it's important to talk about our coming-out stories because they're they're so diverse and they're so different and unique even when your twin sister is gay and you both came out around the same time I think our experiences are different and I also just very briefly want to say we in the community don't often talk about our internalized homophobia and what that really looks like and a lot of times internalized homophobia the person it is damaging the most deeply is the person who is internal dealing with the internalized homophobia and I have struggled a lot with my self-worth and my identity and you know the only thing that really got me through was looking out into an audience where I could see queer people who looked like me people who said I I'm you know I'm gay and you give me hope and you're my hero or whatever was like those were significant moments for me where I had to say like jeez I want that person to feel good about themselves and if they feel good about me then why can't I feel good about me how do I tell this person that they're okay or that they're worthy if I don't feel worthy and you know like that part of part of writing this book is an opportunity to talk about this stuff not just make sound bytes about it yeah yeah and and that's why I'm so glad you guys are here for that and you talk we've been talking so far about these kind of early challenging moments with you know first girlfriends and first boyfriends and these people but you know it also occurred to me in reading this book and when it occur to you when you read it that these are real these are real people taking it you have to go back and have conversations with these people yes what's that light Fred many many many conversations over the last 18 months how's that for you I you know I think for me in general it's been okay like it's been pretty good because there's this real purpose behind us doing this book you know this wasn't just a well I guess we'll write a book you know it was there was some real thought behind that yeah and there was some real purpose we wanted as Sarah just just you know discussed there were some there's a desire in us to share a story that isn't often told and we felt like our narrative was valuable we went to all of our close family and friends who are in the book who we loved very much and we explained the purpose behind the book and all of them gave their blessing yeah that doesn't mean that everyone is glad that we did the book or is looking forward to it coming out I think Sarah's been calling it we've had a get good with God kind of conversation a few times with friends where they don't know that you were experimenting with drugs and head side with one of us you should tell them now because the books gonna come out oh my parents are gonna read it but they will their friend will tell them about it so yeah we had a lot of conversations most of the people in the book honestly are still in our lives there's a there's a few people who aren't but by the time you do multiple legal reads and you know give everyone pseudonyms and describe them differently I mean the very small circle of people even know who who most of these characters are but my main two interests in the book Spencer and Alex on my boyfriend in high school and my secret girlfriend and best friend in high school they are still two the closest people to planets you know yeah so I think and and for me when I went to them I just said this is an important story I really want to tell for me discovering my sexuality finally figuring out who I was was a revelation and it and it it was so thrilling to finally have an answer and to know that I was the person that I was and I really wanted to share that and yeah everyone's having a different set of emotions I think our parents are like okay you guys took a lot of acid yeah my mom just calls us liars all the time now good but I mean our new record is basically all about lying and but that's lying or masking who you are I mean it's you know depends on what angle you're looking at here she is I promised her her own press circuit to explain her side of it I do like the way you guys talk about drugs I think it's I think it's different than the I mean again I'm gonna get fired for this but like you know there's a certain anti-drug PSA and I don't want to give the impression that this book is in any way like please go out and do mescaline it'll make your life better but it's not unlike not unlike the coming-out story it's it's it's it's not without its share of nuance you know it had it had positive parts in your life and approximately you know I always you know when my mom read the book she was really distressed by the drug stuff because she did know we did she we had jokingly talked about doing drugs in our adulthood I don't think that she she imagined we were smoking weed yeah and she knew we had taken acid but like I don't think that she knew the significant role that it played in our early years and she felt like really concerned that people would see that as a you know like a a result of bad parenting and indictment of her and I think that you know it's so important for us to stress here that our parents were significantly like more in touch and aware and and zoomed in on who we were as people that I think a lot of parents were they were very aware of the fact that we were you know if we you ask them now they'll say of course we knew you were struggling with your sexuality of course we knew that you were potentially hooking up with you know girls they were really were trying to approach us delicately they didn't want to do things wrong and it was the 1990s and and for the 1990s man the the framework in language that my mom had that fact that she would even sit down with us and say like hey it's okay if you're experimenting with girls I mean this was like fairly very advanced for the time however it's not it's not a it's not about my mother's parenting it was about where where we were at as teenagers and whether or not we were comfortable talking about our sexuality you know internally and externally and so you know and the drug stuff the drug stuff's complicated it's a little bit of being teenagers it's a little bit of being high risk in jerks some of it I think is about it's about self-medicating and being really for me anyways like I liked detaching from my body because my body made me feel bad because I was I felt out of control of the feelings that I was having about girls because I was depressed because I was mad because I was scared and drugs made me feel like joyful I have fun Tegan and I we were having a really difficult time in our relationship oh my god we would take drugs we would be joyful childlike having fun with each other so there were positives there are positives and when writing we really labor labored over how to use drugs as a tool in the book we didn't want to just tell a bunch of funny stories about the time I got so depth at yeah that was not the intention the intention was it was a theme and it was a vehicle to tell a part of our story that's very important which is that we were very as Sarah said disconnected and at each other's throats at the beginning of high school and drugs allowed us to open up and be more fun and to not feel uncomfortable and to connect and when we found music music replaced drugs you know music became this intoxicating thing that took up so much of our lives it became the thing that allowed us to say the things we felt to say the things we thought to put to voice our fears and our anxieties and our sexuality and we couldn't talk about to our friends or to each other in music and replaced these things and so for us it was important not to clamor eyes or write how to do drugs yeah but it was also important to us not to sanitize the story because I think women often have to do that you know men get celebrated for like expanding their minds and going on cross-country road trips and Harry Styles is on the cover of Rolling Stone talking about taking mushrooms and I think with men we give them more leeway romantic to us and I think for Sarah and I it was important to say that we were three-dimensional people and we weren't your typical teenagers that are depicted in television as you know writing in bubble letters in our journals we were we were complicated and you know and that's the truth and and and that's probably more realistic than what's depicted anyway so well I mean and that goes back to what we were talking about it's more realistic than us than a soundbite can get to you if you're just tuning in I'm speaking with Tegan and Sara about their many more high school and their new album hey I'm just like you I may not be a bubble letter but I was charmed by the use of the letters ed in garage Wars yep I just feel like that's also a relic of the 90s I know good to see anymore it also had like one of those lungs or whatever over top out oh yeah yeah it was like they really went for it that when I found the original flyers from garage Wars the competition that we entered in high school could you see what it is yes garage Wars with the clock we entered it in the local band competition at the college and university in Calgary and it was all college and university bands but one of one of my mom's cousins was going to school there at the time and had recomment I was and then said you know you two should sign up for this and we did and we won and it sort of catapulted us very quickly into the into the music scene of Calgary at that time in 1997-1998 it was like it was a whirlwind it was a whirlwind we were in grade 12 taking like bio 30 and going to like also play gigs on the weekend I watched one last night it was like I watched an episode maybe would dig it up for afterwards but it was like an episode of a CBC file and you guys drama come here drama come and you got to trying to act natural yes it was the thing that was that really reads for me in those early tapes and interviews cuz I there's also a ton of CBC interviews from when we go we go on a we go play a music festival like new music West or something in Vancouver and we are in high school like we are taking days off from high school to go do these things and we are there's this weird combination of like you can see that we are like soaking it up excited and then this also smug annoying teenager face that we do where we're sort of like over the ador impatient like the adults are like so the girls are from Edmonton not Edmonton Mike it's Calgary oh it's Calgary oh excuse me and like you can just see our stupid little faces we're just like these people are idiots like and they save each other's minds are going we're just you can just see though that we're like beyond irritated because we are annoying 17-year old I've been hanging out with other seventeen year olds playing music and you know drinking and partying in basements and whatever and suddenly were on the CBC talking to adults and they're like well isn't there's something and we're just acting like little jerks you know and why not so I wanted to set that up because some of these songs are from from well these songs are from back in those days right if these are songs on the new record that you wrote back in the era that's sort of that's in the book in in high school and you and you revisited them and you re recorded them and you rearrange them and so I was going to give you a heads up for what we're about to do here that I want to catch you off guard we're gonna play a very early version of the song that became the title track for hey I'm just like you right and then we're gonna mix it into the new version sweet sounds like magic [Music] but hey I'm just like you lose after I've got nothing to prove [Music] see were more obnoxious as adults than we were as teenagers I'm trying to say once CBC bleeps you always CBC we're very proud of how much swearing's on this record leaped by the CBC since 1995 what do you make of that what do you make of hearing those two things back to back you know here's the thing is that in 20 years we hadn't listened to our old demos you know there were maybe we'll call it 40 we've picked this number randomly I don't know why I'm too lazy to spend 20 minutes and just count and see what it is but let's call it 40 songs that's very biblical thing to do 30 years in the desert exactly it's over that three years we wrote about 40 songs we demoed them all and then we just moved on you know like young artists do we just think we can write a better song and we just moved on made eight records sit down to write a book a couple months underwriting the book I'm like things went well yeah yeah like this is great loving this oh yeah okay well I guess we're reading a book about high school gotta find those old songs and see how they were and I could have you know told you a few of the songs I could have I remembered parts of I'll be back someday for example like you know but it was called Johnny my friend I knew that like you know there were things in my head that I recalled but mostly I just was like that'll be two tapes of junky rough you know first songs that Sarah and I wrote and I'll listen to it to reference a few songs and that'll be it it took months actually from the day I first started searching to the day I finally got both tapes in my possession was almost six months because no one we knew had kept them so a few random friends eventually and random meaning like I pushed and pushed and pushed finally a few people were like okay okay okay okay my dad has a copy you didn't have to buy them on eBay or anything they don't know they don't exist we looked everywhere but finally a few people were like okay I've got I got tapes so we got one copy of each tape and when I heard the songs I feel the same way today hearing the early version versus the new version they're really good songs the melodies the concepts the song structure the the the the actual thing that Sarah and I are doing like our voices together and interlacing what our ideas together the way that we're singing together all of this I mean these were the first songs we ever wrote we were already doing all that all of that we came to naturally all of that was instinct and since then all we've been doing is perfecting that you know like I think there's a there's a I think that I have a way of crafting a song and I've always had it and finding those songs verified that that this is how I go about writing this is what inspires me and I've just gotten way better at it but when I went back to the originals what I realized was that all the ideas they were there I just didn't have any skill yet but guess what blows me away is that most people when they go back to the first songs they ever wrote are like if anyone ever hears this but some of them are bad some of them are not great some of them are very wordy some of them are nonsensical some of them the recording themselves just it was eroded with time the tapes are warped you know the 12 songs that made ham just like you aren't just 12 songs off those cassettes you know I'd say maybe seven or eight of them are the majority of the song but most of them have been stitched together so we took favorite parts from other songs and made bridges or pre choruses out of them we had to you know rewrite a lot of the lyrics we had to you know but a lot of it was but the melodies like so many great I would say yeah a lot of it was good like I believe maybe it's because I know it's great you know where were you - I'm just pointing out that it took work we went to grad you know always say oh my god if I had to go back in and look through my old journals I would just put them back in the box and here's the thing is that we thought that - yeah okay like I listened to it and was kind of like whoa but the more I listened to it because again I was pulling from it like content for the book you know I was trying to capture my voice I was trying to capture the spirit I was you know making note of the things we said between songs I was quoting lyrics and the more I listened the more melody stuck with me the more that I was like wow don't believe the things they tell you they lie is a really great song and conceptually I would never write a song like this and I would never say things this way anymore I would never be so blunt is to say we don't have fun when we're together anymore is that gonna change the way you write songs I hope so yeah I hope so I want to get back to that I think I think I think it's gonna I think I sing in the other direction I'm gonna make like one of those weird prog rock records that's really it's just like I'm gonna become a character there's gonna be like a folklore queen in seven eight yeah I don't know I I definitely think that there was a vulnerability and there was a directness to the music that I think you lose when you become a public figure and I think that hearing it it was yes it was amazing I truly felt that we had been I feel like our early music was underappreciated and I'm I'm very honest about this I think that we were written off because we were young and we were girls and I think if we had been men or young boys I think it would have been completely different and we all know that because that's the course it is for many women and I just listened to those songs and I thought my god these are great songs we're gonna have to work on them we're gonna have to make them better but this is no different than than any other song we friend and we should we should make this the new record I'm so happy to hear you say that yeah I was I was just thinking of every songwriter who was going she's like Christ I wish I could have written I'm sorry I'm not supposed to be cursing I don't know what's going to I don't care what anyone things anymore so swear yeah yeah they're bad influences Mitch I'm so sorry he's gonna be coming in here high on acid yeah it's gonna be like guys I'm rolling what I'll be done in like two hours I'll be down I'll be fine yeah we're micro dosing here I choose the macro dose okay Sarah it must be emotionally though a trip to hear those old songs yeah yeah I really avoided listening to the to the digitized files that teegan's at me she did all the hunting and gathering for the for the archival stuff and I I was actually I was living in Los Angeles for the time we were writing the book I was spending every day at the library I would write at the library and I was embarrassed to look at the video and I was uncomfortable with listening to the audio at the library and it was after one long day of writing in the in the library I was I was jumping in an uber and I was heading back home and I thought like I better I better listen to it just in case I got it wrong or I didn't remember it correctly and I was I started crying the in the in the Ober I was listening to you in the lift no Ober lift I don't know I'm impartial I don't I don't I'll take either God Tegan brandings dress it was a it was a car it was a horse-drawn carriage it's a horse-drawn carriage it was a it was that was on my BMX bike and I was riding back to my house in LA and I was started you sort of crime I started crying why was I put on I actually was listening to the audio from garage Wars and it's the final and the song that we closed our set with is called at the time was called just me it's on the album as all I have to give the world is me and I don't know I just I heard our little voices and then I hear we kind of sing with like British accents and then there's all these people talking in the bar and I can hear my dad and my stepdad talking on the videotape can he you know like saying like my stepdads like Stephen did you get it do you have them and then look you know what you got the thing and my dad's like the lights the lights blows out their feet like they're talking over top of us and we're just in the background playing this thing and I know I don't know the emotion was probably about this was the moment before we won the competition this is minutes before we will win the competition in our whole world will change whole livestreams whole life's changed and I I don't know I just really floored me I just realized that we were actually the word that kept coming up to me are coming up for me was brave I kept thinking God we were like these like really confident seventeen year olds and who just jumped up on stage at this like college band Wars thing and everyone was playing like electric guitars and like doing like guitar solos and whatever most of the bands were guys there was a couple there was that there were women in bands and it wasn't all guys but it was like it would felt very like of that era indie rock kind of music and we got up on stage with these giant raver pants and pulled out two acoustic guitars and played a song where the chorus is all I have to give the world as me that's it like and it just broke my heart to listen to it because I just thought like I could finally I could find I see it how probably the judges saw it which is that yeah fine we were we weren't as polished or as you know accomplished as these other bands but like just the just the the confidence to get up there and do that and to have something coherent and a message that was so earnest and to look the way that we did I don't know it just made me feel super emotional and actually what I wrote what I what I wrote at the time to me was missing that joy and and listening to the music and watching the videos made me go back and sort of rework those chapters to put that like the joyfulness of what it felt like to be able to do something that could could inspire and provoke such a strong response in people and I sort of had forgotten what that felt like it used to feel like a magic we used to get on stage and I knew that it I could feel the anticipation of when we were gonna play and what that was gonna do to the crowd and I just it's been 20 years of mean kind of taking that for granted because you do get used to it it's like love the first time you fall in love and you think like I'll die without this person I mean that's that was what it felt like on stage and I just to see the video but to hear the audio I mean it just it really floored me I'm I'm so excited I want my favorite people didn't listen to the record of course and for two people to read the book but I'm as excited that you're this new tour you're doing it's just kind of you guys I think it's the closest we're coming to Garage words you know in our lives it's been nice talking to you guys

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Published: Tue Sep 24 2019