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Hey, Vsauce. Michael here. Now, one of my favorite treats of the holiday season is Gabriel's cake. It's a super solid based on Gabriel's Horn that you can make right at home, as long as your home is infinitely large. Okay, all right. Now, the first thing you want to do is bake a cake. I prepared this cake earlier. It's a real beautiful cake. It's a little large, but I bet you I could eat that whole thing in a day if I tried. Am I right? Okay, now the second step is cut the cake in half. Notice that while I cut this cake in half you don't add or create any new cake but the surface area of the cake has increased. It used to be completely covered and now we've got two regions on the inside that aren't covered. The next step is to cut this half, one of the halves, in half. Here we go. Again, the volume of cake on the table is the same as it was in the beginning but the surface area is going up. As you may be able to guess, the next step is going to be to cut one of these quarters of the original cake in half. It's getting pretty thin, but all you have to do is keep this up - cutting halves in half and half and half and half forever and once you've done that, well, you're almost there. When you finish cutting, stack the halves on top of one another in order, like this, to create a beautiful tiered dessert. Because you have an infinite number of thinner and thinner slices when you're done stacking them the cake's vertical height will be endless. Such a cake has an interesting mathematical property. Its volume, the amount of cake it contains, is clearly no different than the amount you started with, but its surface area is infinite. It's a cake you can eat but not frost. You would need an infinite amount of frosting to cover the whole thing with a uniform coat. An object with finite volume but infinite surface area doesn't need to be endlessly tall, by the way. There are bounded super solids, like this cube, with an infinite number of smaller and smaller circular holes. Of course, building these objects in the real world comes with some obvious difficulties. One is the fact that the amount of steps required to complete the construction of Gabriel's cake or any other super solid is literally infinitely many. And infinity isn't a number that, you know, you eventually get to. It means unending. There will always be a next step, another piece to slice in half again. By definition, an infinite sequence of tasks has no last task. So you could never finish making a super solid. Or could you? Enter the Supertask. What if instead of taking the same amount of time to complete each step we accelerated as we worked and did each step in half the time as the last? For example, let's say you wanna make Gabriel's cake in just two minutes. That's easy. First, cut the original cake in half and then wait a minute before making the second cut. Wait half a minute before making the third, a quarter of a minute before the 4th and so on. Always waiting for half of what's left to pass before cutting again. Since you can keep dividing in half forever, there will always be another step. Infinite actions within a finite amount of time is a supertask. The strange thing, of course, is that while supertasking no matter how many steps you've already completed there will always be an infinite amount of steps ahead. But yet, when time's up, you will have finished all of them. What we've just described is similar to Zeno's famous paradox of the dichotomy in which the Greek hero Achilles runs a short race that he can clearly finish, I mean, people finish races all the time, but how exactly it's finished is a mystery. Because first Achilles must cover half of the race's distance and then half of what's left and half again and again and again. Since there will always be another half way point to reach, the number of subdivisions infinite, there is no final destination, after which Achilles' next stop is the finish line. But yet Achilles obviously can finish. He somehow reaches them all despite the fact that during his journey he always has an infinite number of steps left to reach. Think about it this way. What if at each half way step along the way Achilles is required to hold up a flag. At even steps a blue flag and at odd steps a red flag. Blue, red, blue, red, blue, red, the flags will alternate faster and faster. But when Achilles finishes the race, which flag will he be holding up? To be holding up either flag would seem to suggest that a largest number not only exists, but is either even or odd. Now, to this it is often suggested that the real problem here is that Achilles isn't actually doing infinitely many things. He's just taking a few strides or whatever. A true supertask requires doing infinitely many distinct actions. Fair enough. But even if Achilles ran the race in a staccato fashion, stopping at each half way point for half as long as he waited to the last one, the scenario would still be sensical and logical and would complete in a finite amount of time. It has even been shown how a staccato runner could move to avoid discontinuous velocities and accelerations. The point is, fine, infinite distinct actions are at least logically possible to do in a finite amount of time, but only logically. Only as a mathematical abstraction. Supertasks are obviously just products of our imagination. Because in the real world there must be some smallest amount of space and/or time that cannot be meaningfully divided in half again. Once you're within one of these distances of the finish line, the only possible next position you can have is the finish line. That certainly seems fair. After all, it's believed that in reality there is a smallest meaningful distance - the Planck length. Any interactions between or observations of particles more accurate than this span make no sense within physics as we understand it today. And the time it would take to travel a Planck length at the fastest speed possible, the speed of light, is the Planck time. So these seem to be the briefest pieces of space and time any known force in the universe could act across. Whether that force is gravity or a force from Achilles' leg muscles. But does that resolve the crisis or is it just a way of avoiding the problem altogether by saying "it doesn't matter, because it won't be on the test?" As John Earman has complained, it seems to me unattractive to make the truth of mathematical statements depend on the contingencies of space-time structure. Maybe Zeno's dichotomy tells us less about motion and time and space and truth than it does about our impressive abilities to confuse ourselves. And that's what makes supertasks important. They're a contact point in uneasy handshake of sorts between the universe we live in and the brains inside us. Let's play around with some. They're not all the same. Some converge, like Zeno's dichotomy, others converge but in ways you may not expect and still others refuse to cooperate in any way. They diverge. A great example of a supertask whose behavior diverges is Thomson's lamp, a famous supertask devised by James F. Thomson. Imagine a lamp that can be turned on and off as quickly as you desire. What would happen if you turned such a lamp on and off Zenoianly? Well, let's find out. Just set a timer and turn the lamp on. Then wait one minute and turn it off. After half a minute turn it back on and then off again after a quarter of a minute, on again after an eighth of a minute and so on. Waiting half as long to flip the switch each time as you previously did. Now, as the number of switching grows without bound, the total time elapsed approaches just two minutes. The lamp will be turned on and off an infinite number of times in just two minutes. So after two minutes, will the lamp be on or off? Well, by the definition of infinity, there is no last step. There is never a switching not followed by another. So the lamp can't be on, because whenever it's turned on, it is immediately turned off in the next step and it can't be off because whenever it's turned off it's turned on right afterwards. What's the answer? It's easy to say something about a supertask when its partial sums converge, but when they just oscillate back and forth forever... Hmmmm... Zeno objects do this. Imagine building a meter high cube. As with all supertasks, you construct at an accelerated pace. First, you put down a green half metre tall slab, then a quarter metre tall slab that's orange, then a green eight metre slab, then an orange 16th meter slab and so on, until there are infinitely many layers of alternating color. Now, when you look at the cube from above, what color will you see? Orange, green? Well, it can't be orange because every orange layer is covered by a green one. And it can't be green because every green layer is blocked by an orange one above it. What if we had a machine display each digit of Pi in order at a supertask pace? After its finite runtime, what would be on the screen? The last digit of Pi? Well, that's impossible, right? But how could it be anything else? A supertask allows us to exhaust an infinite sequence. Paul Benacerraf delivered what is often considered the best response to these confusions. Is Thomson's lamp on or off? Is the cube orange or green? The answer is we don't know, because these questions are incomplete. Thomson's lamp could be on or off or broken. The cube could appear orange or green or something else. But the supertasks, as stated, don't let us figure out which. I may as well ask you if a lamp hidden in a locked room is on or off. It's definitely one or the other, but I haven't given you enough information to do anything but guess. Supertasks like these describe an endless sequence of tasks and then ask us about the end. But we can't determine an outcome because, although there may be an end to their duration, there is no end, no final member of their actions. They must be reworded or coupled with extra assumptions in order to be solved. For example, if we assume that the switch used on Thomson's lamp can only be all the way on or all the way off, we can't determine where it is after the supertask. But if the switch is, say, a bouncing ball that completes the circuit turning the lamp on each time it bounces on a metal plate, an outcome can be determined. If the physics here are ideal and the ball bounces half as high and half the time as it did on the previous balance, its sequence of bounce heights will turn the lamp on and off an infinite number of times in a finite amount of time. Although this bouncing ball has no penultimate state, no second-to-last bounce, it does have an ultimate state, a final one, resting on the plate. The circuit will be complete and the lamp will be on. You can also describe a switch on Thomson's lamp that leaves it off. Sometimes, the next state after infinitely many isn't paradoxical because of lack of information, but because of a surprising, or non-intuitive, discontinuity that occurs there. The Ross–Littlewood paradox is one of the greatest examples. Imagine a giant urn that can hold an unlimited number of balls. Now, imagine that you have an unlimited supply of balls, each with a unique natural number written on it. All natural numbers, in fact, since there's no end to how many balls you have. Now, working at an accelerated Zenoian pace you move the balls to the urn 10 at a time, but in a weird way. At step one, you place balls number 1 to 10 in the urn, but remove number 1. At step two, a minute later, you place balls 11 to 20 in the urn and remove ball number 2. At step three, you place balls 21 to 30 in the urn and remove ball 3, and so on. Upon the completion of the supertask how many balls will be in the urn? At first the answer seems obvious. At each step you are adding 10 balls and subtracting 1, so a net of nine balls is added each time. 9 + 9 + 9 + 9 forever, the series grows without end. Infinite nine's means infinite balls at the end. But here's the problem. At each step, the ball with that step's number written on it is removed. Ball 1 is removed at step one, ball 2 was removed at step two, ball 12-googol is removed at step twelve-googol. Since there are an endless number of steps for any ball number, there is a step number at which it is removed. So although the urn's ball population grows without bound during the task, after the supertask the number drops to 0. It gets weirder. Here's a second, seemingly identical method. Instead of beginning with balls 1 to 10 and then removing 1, begin with balls 1 to 9. Then write zero after the "1" on ball 1. For step two, add balls 11 to 19 and draw a zero on ball 2, making it say 20. For every finite step, both methods results in identical earned contents, but after infinitely many steps, the first leaves us with no balls and the second leaves us with infinitely many balls written on which are all the natural numbers, each followed by an infinite string of zeros. Both are discontinuous at infinity, but dang, in very different ways. The bigger question now becomes, "so what? Who cares?" You will never have an infinite number of balls and you will never have a large enough to urn to hold all of them. You will never build a lamp that can turn on and off arbitrarily fast. We cannot investigate time or space past a certain smallness, except when pretending, so what are supertasks, but recreational fictions, entertaining riddles? We can ask more questions than we can answer, so what? Well, here's what. Neanderthals. Neanderthals and humans, us, Homo sapiens, lived together in Europe for at least five thousand years. Neanderthals were strong and clever, they may have even intentionally buried their dead, but for hundreds of thousands of years, Neanderthals barely went anywhere. They pretty much just explored and spread until they reached water or some other obstacle and then stopped. Homo sapiens, on the other hand, didn't do that. They did things that make no sense crossing terrain and water without knowing what lay ahead. Svante PÀÀbo has worked on the Neanderthal genome at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology and he points out that technology alone didn't allow humans to go to Madagascar, to Australia. Neanderthals built boats too. Instead, he says, there's "some madness there. How many people must have sailed out and vanished on the Pacific before you found Easter Island? I mean, it's ridiculous. And why do you do that? Is it for the glory? For immortality? For curiosity? And now we go to Mars. We never stop." It's ridiculous, foolish, maybe? But it was the Neanderthals who went extinct, not the humans. Maybe it's only a fool who will perilously journey out to what might not be there. And maybe it's only a fool who will ask about supertasks, about infinity. But if you want to solve problems, you don't just solve the ones that are there, you find more and make more and go after the impossible ones; fostering a love and obsession with problems is how you solve problems. Antoine de Saint-ExupΓ©ry wasn't a mathematician, but his advice fits nicely here. If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea. And as always, thanks for watching. Supertasks are cool, but super gifts are even cooler. That's why I'm excited to announce this year's Vsauce holiday box. This thing comes loaded with exclusive Vsauce stuff and science gear, plus all Vsauce proceeds go directly to Alzheimer's research. I'm really proud of this box. You can pick one up at geekfuel.com/Vsauce, link down in the description. There's a limited amount available, so don't hesitate. And as always, thanks for watching.
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Channel: Vsauce
Views: 8,439,389
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Keywords: vsauce, michael stevens, math, maths, infinity, transfinite, paradox, education, learning, space, time, spacetime, neanderthal, homo sapien, humans, curiosity, wonder, super, solid, thomson's lamp, mathematics, teaching, vi hart, logic, infinite series, planck, philosophy, human evolution, evolution, migration, species, logical, zeno, Supertask
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Length: 21min 8sec (1268 seconds)
Published: Mon Dec 07 2015
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"You will never have an infinite number of balls" - well thanks Michael.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 28 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/[deleted] πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Dec 08 2015 πŸ—«︎ replies

Does anyone else feel that Michael could have shortened the length of this video and still gotten his point across? It felt to me that he kept repeating himself with the whole "at time ∞, is it x or is it y?" example. Still a good video BTW.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 143 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/Stranger-er πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Dec 08 2015 πŸ—«︎ replies

Start of video, talks about super tasks

End of video, how Homo sapiens stayed alive

This is why I love Vsauce

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 129 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/TriangledCircle πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Dec 08 2015 πŸ—«︎ replies

A mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer are all given the same problem: a man will walk towards a woman standing 2 meters away, and the scientists must compute how many steps it will take him to reach her.

The mathematician concludes that this process will take an infinite number of steps, owing to Zeno's paradox. As the man cuts the distance in half an infinite number of times, he will never reach the woman.

The physicist argues that the process will take at most 116 steps, even by the mathematician's standard of bisection. 2-116 meters is shorter than the Planck length, thus ensuring that the man and woman are at least connected at the atomic level.

The engineer just says, "after 3 steps, he'll be as close as he needs to be."

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 43 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/mrmemo πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Dec 08 2015 πŸ—«︎ replies

Honestly, this video is very tiresome. He explains the same thing like 5 times, after briefly brushing over the fact that it's all impossible.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 52 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/VladimirGluten47 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Dec 08 2015 πŸ—«︎ replies

The content of vsauce videos is always good, but I can never finish them due to the annoying way he has of speaking. Every sentence has the same rhythm. It's like he's trying to setup a pun, but never quite gets there.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 10 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/brandf πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Dec 08 2015 πŸ—«︎ replies

I can't take him seriously in that sweater. The sweater, added to the fact the video's only loading at 480p for me makes me feel like it's the 90s watching a VHS.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 16 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/silam39 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Dec 08 2015 πŸ—«︎ replies

I still don't know how Achilles passed the finish line given infinite intervals leading up to it.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 3 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/paint14 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Dec 08 2015 πŸ—«︎ replies

aw shit I've already stayed up too late tonight

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 3 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/canadianguy1234 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Dec 08 2015 πŸ—«︎ replies
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