Sunday Night Prime - On the Last Day - Fr. Benedict Groeschel w Fr. Bryan Kromholtz - 04-03-2011

me [Music] [Applause] [Music] welcome to Sunday night Prime and we're delighted to have you this with us this evening and uh may I mention that if you want to contact me by email send some questions and things like that or even arguing with me Sunday night prime one word Sunday night Prime at ewtn.com so uh I'll be happy to hear from you and one of these evenings I'm going to take a whole evening just for questions our present format now we don't have an audience so we don't have the opportunity to getting uh calls in from the studio audience or the whole audience so uh but one of these evenings I'm going to have a whole collection of questions and so if you want to send me please Sunday night prime one word at ewtn.com now this evening we have a visit very interesting visitor to us uh he's a Dominican and I grew up with a little boy in a Dominican town called well New Jersey I was taught by the Dominican sisters I almost became a Dominican but I wanted to work with the poor and not go to school for all my life and I went for school for 31 years but God has a sense of humor fortunately I did work and do work with the poor and our visitor today is the E author of a very impressive book on the last day the time of the resurrection of the Dead according to St Thomas and this is published uh by um you can get it through Amazon uh the publisher isic unfortunately you can't get it through Amazon no you can't no Academic Press free fryberg uh but look it up uh on the EWTN or something and the uh our visitor is the author Father Brian crom Holtz a Dominican father assistant professor of theology at the Dominican School of philosophy and theology at Berkeley California and he had was been a student for his Doctorate in fryberg in Switzerland so father welcome very much thank you Father Benedict and we are honored to have you uh you belong why don't you tell our audience what province of the Dominicans I belong to the province of the Most Holy Name of Jesus in uh the western United States our Province spans from Alaska all the way down to California including Washington and Oregon um and uh Arizona Utah and Nevada um we have houses in um Anchorage Alaska Seattle Portland uh down to um San Francisco Oakland Los Angeles San Diego Tucson Las Vegas Salt Lake City that's wonderful and you are a student or a teacher excuse me you're a professor at the Dominican at the Dominican School of philosophy and theology in Berkeley Berkeley is a town everybody's heard about it that a number of different orders are in Berkeley I believe right that's right yeah we're a a member of a Consortium of schools there in Berkeley The Graduate theological Union uh the franciscans have the school there The Franciscan School of Theology the Jesuits have the Jesuit School of Theology now they call it Janu just tied with Santa Clara um there are then also six Protestant schools that are a member of this members of this Consortium and uh we pulled together resources in uh the 60s and so have a common Library so that a doctoral program can be granted through gtu and then we also have uh exchanges with the University of California at Berkeley uh and so um there is that whole um intellectual atmosphere of Berkeley that we are a part of and when I asked you earlier why did you become a Dominican well I wanted to be part of the intellect life of the church um when I first discern was Discerning my vocation uh well I was an engineer at the time and was was working but I I thought God was calling me to something else and I started looking I looked first at the Jesuits I had gone to Jesuit schools and growing up but um I realized I I wanted a more community life and uh my uh good Jesuit um spiritual director mended I look at the Dominicans I looked the Dominicans visited them and found really everything I wanted a common life and also a common discussion of uh Theology and then also the preaching Mission really appealed to me trying to articulate the faith for today and U many of our audience of course will recognize your Dominican habit uh the white habit and the the black cape and for that reason the Dominicans are called the black frers that's right that's right although often we're we're just in the white part of the Habit this is more sort of formal where but and the franciscans are called the gray fryers right because all franciscans used to wear gray now they nobody ever calls them broud fryers well father uh on our audience I'm sure is going to be very interested we're going to be talking about the end of the world now we're looking at this from New York which I always tell everybody having lived in New York all my life that this is the place where the world is going to end right in New York that's the place the last judgment will start here and if you don't know why come and visit New York you uh but father this is a fascinating subject where do we learn about the end of the world beginning of the resurrection of the Dead where did we learn of this well really we don't have anywhere to turn but to Revelation to scriptures uh we have Jesus uh preaching that um I will raise him on the last day several times in the Gospel of John we have which is where of course the title of of the book comes from um we have the writings of St Paul uh uh speaking to us of uh when all things will be put at the feet of of Christ um we have uh certainly of course the book of Revelation which is which is difficult to interpret because it is a set of Visions um but uh we have that to turn to as well um the apocalyptic discourses of Jesus in uh of course the the synoptic gospels Matthew Mark and Luke that word apocalypse uh some of our audience what does that mean apocalypse well it it means literally Revelation uh so of course uh in the a certain tradition we call the the the last book of the book of the Apocalypse it's the book of of of Revelation uh which gives us um well there are few ways of taking apocalypse it also then ends up referring to a kind of literature that refers to um things that are outside of our experience that um that reveal in in a in a way um sort of cataclysmic uh events uh to come the the end of the world uh the end of the world which uh is also of course in our belief not simply the termination of existence but the transformation of the World We Believe before we look forward to a new heavens and a new Earth and you know sad to say there are people perhaps a number of people watching this program who have lived through apocalyptic situations some of the old people as children remembered the World War uh God forbid we may have some people who are living in Nagasaki or hirosima when the atomic bomb went off it was an apocalypse and uh in more modern times things like the recent earthquake and tidal wave it was to the people there it seemed like it was the end of the world and so so the idea of the Apocalypse the end uh the re beginning of the new world it's in people's mind and the only people that really would not think about it would be complete atheists because they live in the apocalypse a person has no belief in God no hope no nothing he lives in the apocalypse because his world comes to an absolute end uh it's very very very sad for people to be a atheist it's a hopeless thing now father you gave us the whole thing by St Thomas right our great Dominican Theologian the great great Theologian of the church and and although I am an admirer of St Thomas especially his beautiful writings on the Holy Eucharist marvelous uh in the poetry about the Eucharist uh I'm a disciple of St Augustine but St Thomas was a disciple of St Augustine of course he I mean besides scripture he doesn't quote anybody more than St yeah but what I'd like to hear is St Thomas uh teaching on the last day now I realize some of my audience a good many are not Catholics and so uh we tell us a little bit about St Thomas the aquinus sure uh St Thomas aquinus um was born in 1225 died in 1274 um he was so he is a member of one of the early members of the Dominicans um sort of the second generation as it were um he uh wrote um voluminously uh and his but his writing um was uh theological of course but also tried to take into account uh deeply uh philosophy um and really taking into account um the philosophy of Aristotle which was being more and more considered at in his day uh and so what he was trying to do was to take the the latest to them the latest philosophical ideas and to try to uh which were becoming very influential and to try to um integrate those with with theology uh and so be able to speak the gospel in the way that the people of the time could better understand uh if you're not so familiar 300 years before the gospel there were great philosophers excuse me in Greece Socrates Plato Aristotle and their minds shaped the philosophical thinking of the western world and probably almost all of the world at this point and uh one Plato actually influenced the writing of the Gospel of St John in the beginning the word and the Word was with with God that's practically a quotation from words of Plato the word the word uh the other was Aristotle who is a very downto Earth sort of person and right now we all live surrounded by science and the philosophy of science the great scientists they are deeply influenced by Aristotle that's how they think about things so St Thomas did something extremely important he baptized Aristotle St Augustine baptized St Augustine but St thas St baptized Aristotle right right and uh with that I tell you that because uh we know our friends that come I'm trying to give you all a little bit of uh a little course you know in philosophy Theology and scripture H we've been at this for years and uh Father tell us now a little bit about St Thomas and His St Thomas aquinus has his approach to the last days well one of the reasons he's really interesting to look at in with respect to this question is that is the question of the Resurrection when it occurs is that he had has he's very known for having a um very integrated sense of the human person that is uh a notion of the person as a soul body Unity not a separation of of the soul and the body but but really as uh a Unity of of soul and body the the spiritual expressed through uh the the flesh through fortunately got to get in here a word for a s words of uh advertisement something very Pious father we're going to come right back to that because in an extremely important moment [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] uh unfortunately we got broke in by time and that happens to all of us that's all right and so father will you start over because this is a tremendously important point and audience listen right well um really during the last century or so a lot of theologians have called into question um the traditional teaching of when the resurrection occurs one of the critiques has been uh that the traditional view of of when the resurrection occurs um has kind of been um uh if you will um it's offered an overly dualistic view of the human person that is one that seeks to in a way separate uh the soul from the body or sees the soul as really what's really important and sort of neglects the body that is the idea as they would have it was that um at death um one who the just uh would enter into uh the presence of God as is traditionally taught of course and would be perfectly happy and even better off really without the body uh and uh with the resurrection only happen happening much much much later uh and so they would say that uh the resurrection then seems like a kind of frosting on the cake or something that's just added on without any real reason since the spiritual union with God is really the important thing so you know that's uh really a question that got me to thinking and got me to wanting to to research and to see what St Thomas would have to say uh about this now for Thomas of course the resurrection does happen at the end at the end of time at the end of the world um all at the same time when Christ comes in judgment um and and in that we see was kind of three important elements that is it's Christ who brings it about um it's happens all at the same time so there's a communal Dimension to it um and also it happens at the end of the world which is not simply the as I was saying the termination of of the world but a time in which the world is transformed even as we will be glorified now but then back to this problem well what about the notion that when one dies um one goes into the presence of God in a spiritual way well St Thomas certainly taught that and uh it was a somewhat controversial point in his day but more or less the consensus was building that one enters into the presence of God uh at at death the St Paul uh we know said he would prefer to be um away from the body and with Christ but uh but for your sake uh I am continue to be in the body so we um have in the faith a teaching that that that when we die we go to be in the presence of God and yet uh and yet uh when one is in the presence of God um the teaching of of St Augustine which St Thomas repeats of course that we're beholding God uh In God's Presence this is this is our greatest happiness uh to be in the presence of God what can the body possibly add to that and what St Thomas finally says is that what the body adds is really full Humanity we may be present spiritually to God um uh one who is Holy one who was found to be just um maybe in the presence of God but not yet fully human and for St Thomas aquinus he's totally consistent in saying it's not a human person who is present to God as a soul but the human soul it's only when the Resurrection comes that the full human person body and soul is in the presence of God um so this is what what what St Thomas teaches um and what I tried to show is um in the book is uh now going back to uh um certain critiques folks that uh theologians that wanted to um rethink the idea of when the resurrection occurs posited this idea that Resurrection might even occur at the moment of death given that um when we die we go into a a non-temporal realm way which the one leaves uh time um that uh for the Saints one enters into God's uh God's eternity so to God all times are present so we may as well say well all times would be present including the end time the escaton the the the end of the world and so um so then we no longer need to say that there is some kind of interval some kind of interim State in which one is a disembodied Soul we can just say that one sort of enters into a resurrection well this has become very convincing to people and a lot of people I've talked to I've been working on this question uh even before I began this doctorate I did a master's degree on current ideas on on this and I've talked to a lot of people and a lot of people have this this kind of idea so this is popularly true not only among Protestants but among many Catholics so there's a a pastoral demand mention to this as to whether this really is an adequate um representation of of of um of the faith and what I've come to see at least in St Thomas's presentation is that if you hold um these newer views of a kind of Resurrection in death as it were you lose sight a little bit of these other dimensions that is that it's when Christ comes in glory that we are finally perfected um so it's when Christ comes and the resurrection is through Christ um second there's a communal Dimension to it we're all looking forward to it even the Saints in heaven are in a sense looking forward to the uh the resurrection of of all and the Saints and us we are all looking forward as well to the transformation of the world as well so this connects us more with our our own world um which we uh also uh hope to see transformed for it's God's creation and uh well that Magnificent Passage in uh Matthew 25 the descri the description of the last judgment right and Christ with this the Saints and the lost the uh and uh those who have been good to others the fed the hungry and clothe the nak and those who did not and he speaks very very clearly about people not just Spirits yes when you inv picture this in your mind you're you're seeing people there that's right and it is the end of the world it's the end now uh my audience are saying how long is it going to be to the end of the world we're stepping out of time and none of us have an ability to do that we've always lived in time uh I uh one St Tom St Augustine wrote a whole book on time and on memory yeah and it's a very very interesting subject time uh and what we can know ordinary believer knows that we step out of that into eternity now there's a couple of things what about the people that didn't make us ah ah well to tell you the truth I don't deal with that a lot in the book of course St Thomas says that um that there are um there there are the just so I've been speaking mainly of what happens to the just but there are those who are not found to be just to or somehow that's that's a mystery to us how that can be that that some people do not choose what is good they do not choose God they do not respond to to um the opportunities that they our Lord is explicit about that yeah and in fact um you know uh um sometimes people think the Old Testament is Harsh actually the harshest depictions of Eternal condemnation are in the New Testament and even from Jesus himself uh uh speaking of uh uh depart from me you evildoers into the fire prepared for the devil and his angels from Matthew 25 there it is Matthew 2 yeah so um it seems as if the clearer the uh picture of eternal life becomes with the New Testament uh developed uh over over over time and and then delivered by Jesus in the New Testament the clearer that picture of eternal life becomes also the clearer it becomes that there's a possibility of not attaining that life and this is an appalling thing you know years ago years before you were around going to Catholic School way back in the 40s the sisters they taught us about heaven and hell and there was no doubt about it was very clear and uh I didn't live in a wild City I lived in Jersey City but you were definitely trying to get yourself to have it uh and then of course we had our favorite place to talk about purgatory we like to talk about it because it looks just like Jersey City uh when I was growing up I heard all about purgatory there here we are and you know I was giving a talk in Jersey City and I thought they're all going to be mad at me because I said that they were delighted they were honed that that they had purgatory and uh uh because it really is the beginning of Heaven it's it's not really a totally sapate separate entity it's passing on your way I like the way in the Eastern Church they talk about purgatory and they don't use the word as the journey you're making your way up the hill you go through the toll boats and uh whereas the Catholics usually kind of picture it as a prison where our Lord says you will not get out until you pay the last Petty so that right yeah it sounds like Sing Sing right well I mean we can imagine though um it seems to make a lot of sense of course we have the um scriptures um that that that point to it not too many but but a few uh certainly from from mccabes and such um but um we have um I think we can imagine our need for that because to be in the presence of God truly to behold God means we have to be perfected and most of us do not understand ourselves rightly as perfected in this life we can imagine our um excess attachment to to to little things being somehow burned away or somehow somehow purified and um it I think it's a hopeful teaching really the the fact is that the foundation of the idea of an interim between this life and Heaven which the Catholics use the word per atory but in interim that's quite often around among the Jews we find that Jewish people devout Jewish people pray for the Dead uh the Muslims pray for the Dead uh Catholic and Orthodox pray for the dead and theoretically Protestants don't but I bet the Protestant funerals not in the book but the minister would ask everybody at the end to pray for the person on their way well we're getting closer you know uh the Catholics borrow things from the Protestants having the Liturgy in the vernacular you know when I was a kid we had all these arguments why we shouldn't have the Liturgy in lat in English we listened to the Protestants and we were right the Protestants that made things better but uh on this one after this life I don't know about anybody else but I do not feel that I'm all set to walk in to the Glorious entrance of heaven and get my seat you know right right I mean obviously Christ's cross pays the price for us so it's it's only through the cross that we we are worthy uh to to enter into heaven because we aren't worthy of ourselves it's by being joined to him of course that that we are made worthy um through baptism through being joined to him through being nourished by the Eucharist but um we still in our limited uh human Dimension have a need to be purified uh in a sense it's it's the it's the temporal Dimension really of of ourselves and it's it's really taking our uh ourselves uh not taking ourselves seriously taking seriously God's creation uh uh he made us to be perfect that we are to be uh perfected as the father is perfect we be perfect as the father is perfect and our our Lord says you know uh how what you do you will be who you are how one of the words of get getting old U uh what what you in life you will have your reward you know and uh our Lord is very clear about that it's kind of tough about it and it's a very Jewish way you know that's we have a little break now and we'll be back in two minutes [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] I have to apologize to you all I Used to Love by memory quot the the the gospels and St Paul but as you know many of you know I had a stroke and you have a stroke it's difficult ult to remember things exactly as they were uh you can't quite say them so I was missing that everyone will be re received what they have done this is the message of our divine Savior uh now uh father we're talking about the end of the world this is very interesting because the people of our time many of them somewhat religious people you know uh the number of people who are atheists in this country are about 2 or 3% and the agnostics are six or 7% it's a lot of very religious people around not very religious but a whole lot of them and uh they're thinking about what happens next uh and if you go to a cemetery not just a Catholic Cemetery a general Cemetery or a Jewish cemetery you'll find inscriptions about being at peace Eternal rest be at peace with God so we think of life after death and unfortunately in some country countries in Europe probably less than half the people might not believe but Americans uh tend to be people who believe in the afterlife and uh the uh uh it's uh a beautiful thing to know what it is I went to a funeral of a very very fine man in the Civil Rights Movement who was technically Jewish but he hadn't been inide of a synagogue since he made his barbit if he made one and so uh I went to this nonreligious funeral it's awful what happens is just everybody gets up in order and says something nice about the person for two or 3 minutes and no prayers no nothing but uh and I was invited by his son said to me Father you're the only clergyman here pull it all together so I gave the quotations you know about the good and uh whatsoever you do we do one other and they were they were happy and then we went to the cemetery and his son says we're burying the cem the the ashes ashes say a prayer so I said some of the Psalms the Lord is my shepherd shall not want and a couple of other Psalms and they were perfectly delighted walking back a very distinguished psychologist Professor who indicated to me that he had been raised with no religion his grandfather had been an orthodox Jew his father had no religion so he said we were raised with no religion and he said but you know today I want to believe about the afterlife tell me about the afterlife he wanted to know about the afterlife now Catholics don't use that expression the afterlife it's a little vague you know but this man very very fine man was interested he was looking sure with the death of his friend yeah life after death and I I I have to say this I think the dumb Catholics and some of the dumb Protestants we back off to keep our mouth but we don't want we want to obset anybody you know yeah so we don't say it yeah and everybody's waiting for us to say something right have you ever noticed this right um I've I've obviously well preached at at a number of funerals and and presided at a number of funerals and I I preached the gospel now at a Catholic funeral we're we're of course I've called to to to preach a homy not a eulogy so um I focus on the promise of Resurrection um and uh and preach that really a funeral is about three things uh first of all thanking God for the gift of the person's life but more importantly praying for the person uh praying for for the one who has died and the family as well the loved ones and then uh really uh uh hope in the resurrection um and when I've preached this uh I've had people come up to me and and say you know thank you for for preaching about Jesus and what he he has done for us and the The Hope in Resurrection because we've often been to funerals where um well because it's a mixed crowd or something uh people want to want to downplay uh our beliefs but uh I I think it's uh it's incumbent upon us to to to preach and the people want to hear it that's what they do yes I even think people who do not have faith want to hear us you know yeah because otherwise it it's a flat glass of sasp parella I mean right right a dull and uh I I think we should be Witnesses particular the clergy where the people would be the most obvious Witnesses of life after death and it's very interesting I'm in my life I had immense numbers of Protestants and Jews I'm a very ecumenical soul and uh and I appreciate and enjoy my non-catholic friends and recently I went to a couple of funerals of ministers and without ever reading it out of the book at the end the minister Prayed For The Individual on their journey to God it's the most normal understandable thing to do but it doesn't sound very Protestant because in the old days of of the belief and predestination that you didn't do anything to contribute to your salvation you didn't think about it so it was determined before you were born if you were going to heaven or hell I don't think very many Protestants would say that today I I I would be very surprised right well obviously God's Providence uh is in charge of everything yeah so there's a mystery of predestination but at the same time we don't practically uh act uh as if our our lives are sort of pre-programmed and and that we're just robots um goel Jesus is tell people right he gives us command behave right right I mean he not indirect about this at all right right uh so somehow we believe that that our yeah the Lord sort of work Works through our full Humanity U with our our intellect and our will that we that we he wants us to choose what is right and to choose him and you have the Ten Commandments the prophets the gospel the evangelists the words of our divine Savior and St Paul and the writer called St John we're not too sure who it doesn't say his name was John but it's and then you get around to the apocalypse uh I couldn't see how anybody would miss the fact that you better get your act together uh you better be doing something now of course we put ourselves in the hand of God but we also respond to his Divine will you know among Catholic theologians there are different points of view on this this word predestination there's one that's a scary uh word uh what does it mean and we have to admit that some way God's will goes with every step of our life but part of his predestination is to give us freedom to do things certainly um and I think and here's a place where philosophy can help us to to uh understand this because even the word predestination may be um maybe a little bit um inadequate to the task because it it it assumes that sort of God foresees what is going to happen as if he's in time with us uh whereas um the development of of um of Christian theology has really come to the understanding that God is beyond the time that he has created and so all of this this whole creation this whole project that he has he has uh he has uh given us um he is beyond all of that and so he knows what we are going to do because we choose it um uh and uh is isort of outside that that temporal U dimension and so so sees all that as a at once as it were um so that kind of helps us understand how how um uh how God can sort of see how all this is is coming out and also he's of course got a a bigger plan than we can imagine for for tying it all up and bringing good out of all the apparent evil in my old age and I'm getting white old age I have learned more and more and I love the scriptures I all my life I I as a kid I must been like a a Protestant kid I I love to read the New Testament and I love the Bible and uh the Catholics used to wonder what am I doing all that because was the old English Bible the BS hard words uh and then got the modern translations uh and uh as I got older and older and I'm almost 80 it's so simple I wake up in the morning and I got this job to run this Retreat House and it's right next to Long Island Sound the the ocean is 4 feet from my window and in fact when we have a storm the ocean is in my office you know two feet high uh and I look out the window and I only say four words God I just say God for a long time God and I'm thinking of about the Creator the heavenly father and then I say Jesus I say that over and over what that he means to me and without him it would be utterly desperate there would be no hope and then the Holy Spirit I say the holy Spirit now I have a strange way of thinking about the Holy Spirit as God's sense of humor you know God has a sense of humor people this creature here everybody wonders why I have this here you tell me that God didn't have a sense of youa what he made these creatures this is a hippopotamus and I keep him here to remind us that God has a sense of human if you ever go to the zoo or something and look at a hippopotamus believe me it's funny and uh when I was in Africa I saw them in just in the the pools and uh they're kind of D looking things but what a marvelous sense of God's sense of humor the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit passes over the world everything that is created is not only created by the heavenly father but through the Holy Spirit everything the Holy Spirit had something to do with this creature see and uh and you know may I say to my audience enjoy God naturally we have to have awesome thinking about God there's a proper expression is called the fear of God the reverence to God but we should also as as they tell us in the Psalms to you know rejoice in the Lord and uh uh Rejoice means be happy uh people rejoice in the Lord a please you know please don't cheer God up this way uh rejoice and this is a wonderful thing to work with the poor if you know poor people and most poor people are very religious and in the United States poor people are quite religious and they enjoy God and enjoy Heavenly things and uh uh much of my life I worked with Hispanic people and africanamerican people especially old people mhm and uh they the old dear old black grandmothers they they enjoy the Lord they they really do here we are those dear old black people old ladies they have very little money they have not had much of a chance they lived in the poorest sections of the city but they have a very happy life don't don't ever worry about them being got happy and the the old AAS the old Spanish grandmas and the old black grandmothers and I'm with them and I get along with them so beautiful you know uh the the uh they the Lord is there uh people get angry should be should be helping the poor we of course you should help the poor help things to better but don't feel sorry for them because the rich can be much less happier than the poor very very few few poor people have to go for Psychotherapy not not very often M and father now we're giving you the last day and it's Heaven Purgatory Jersey City hell God bless and you hate I don't even hate to talk about it I would never preach about hell it's so awful so terrible so horrible to be lost forever uh and uh SRA Jean Paul SRA supposedly an atheist almost every right is somewhat religious but uh he was very successful as an aan but his play No Exit oh my good let's just three people in in a a cocktail lounge or four and when you come out they're in hell but they're having cocktails and you're ready to run out of the the theater screaming because they're picking at each other attacking at each other just hell you don't need any fire the lost souls are enough the uh now I'm so happy to have a great toist and uh I I told you that I grew up with the Dominicans but um I'm so grateful for your beautiful book on the last day and just give us a little prayer a hope Lord we thank you for the gift of life that you give us we ask you to send your Holy Spirit to us that we may live in appreciation of this gift that we may follow in the footsteps of your son that we may be joined to him that we may be found with him on the day of judgment and so share the life that you wish to give us in eternity we ask this in the name of your son Jesus Christ Our Lord amen and as always I'm passing the basket so keep EWTN on and uh think of my good old friend Mother Angelica sitting down there doing her Purgatory on Earth because she can't talk and she can't do a lot of things but she's mind is very sharp I hope to see her in a few weeks and uh she's praying and lets all of us pray with her too God bless [Music] [Applause] [Music] he [Music] k [Music]

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Published: Tue Apr 05 2011