Stolen iPhones Rat Out New "Owners" - WAN Show June 5, 2020

and welcome to the wan show ladies and gentlemen the show where usually we talk about tech and uh often we talk about our own personal lives and occasionally we run our mouths and dig a really really deep hole for ourselves and yes luke i did uh include you in there i said we uh even though you actually didn't say anything which was a very very good decision that you made at that time i actually i tried to pull you back multiple times yeah you did i you actually did and that was one of the things that made it all the more painful to go back and re-watch that segment of the show uh next time if you could just because i'm pretty sure the thing about okay so here's the thing when you hire people who you know have kind of like a sketchy a sketchy past okay you know when you when you know look i'm not saying okay i'm not saying you have a sketchy past i'm just saying that you have the kind of knowledge that i might expect from someone who has a bit of a sketchy past okay so when you hire someone like that you gotta assume that they've got some kind of like you know you know kill bot you know on your on your network you know because just in case you ever cross them right so next time that happens this is why i'm dragging you into this next time that happens i all i ask is you just deploy it just shut it down just shut her down you know make make me think there's technical difficulties i love how the solution is not convince you that you're wrong no no no no no you can't no you can convince me i'm wrong but just do that later you know you gotta hit you gotta hit the emergency button you know it's there's no time luke there's no time i should have been i should have been more sure i watched it back too and i think yeah because there's there's quite a few times where i was like i don't know maybe he knows something that i don't know he didn't know anything luke [Laughter] you can see it in my face where i'm like really i don't i'm not sure no no no he knew nothing luke he knew nothing and you should have you should have trusted your instincts okay they've got stink in there but they don't stink they're like they're in like they stinked maybe they stunk before but now they're good you know you gotta you gotta trust them we've got a great show for you guys today um apple has been um locking the phones that have been stolen um ncix us is apparently the website is back online what do you got that's right that's right steal that one you go ahead you say it no you you have to say it now just he's so excited about these guys wait for it amd implies rdna 2 big navi will release for pc before next gen consoles calls it a halo product and xeon 10 now wait wait wait does that mean it's that that means does that mean it's a buggy rehash of something they did 10 years ago got em oof calling something a halo product when it's for pc and not console hooray got him got him neon 10 diameter intel 10 nanometer 24 core processor found on geekbench found on geekbench more prosperity we already have good stream thumbs up in the chat i appreciate it yeah thank you guys appreciate you guys too good good comment good [Laughter] the comments video you guys uploaded on floatplane after that when show oh it was this whole comment section it was unreadable it was unreadable all right let's roll that intro roll that intro ladies and gentlemen ah also you want to know a big rip oh yeah the ltx20 emotes are still oh i'm so sad i was like tweeting back and forth with um who was it i think it was the epos uh i don't i don't have the thing so i'll just put it like that i was tweeting back and forth with epos uh on on i guess twitter i guess that's where you tweet things it's been a long week okay uh so i was tweeting with him and like oh yeah and i was texting with uh steve from gamersnexus and like both of them just made me think of like ltx steve like specifically brought it up and i'm like it hurts like i am so bummed that we're not doing ltx this year obviously it was the right call and i should have made it earlier but i i just had so much fun last year and now that it's a year later i honestly feel like it was more fun even than i felt like it was then like you know how memories can make something seem sweeter than it was even like whether it was bad or whether it was good in the first place memories kind of can make it better or worse but like yeah yeah i know what you mean you'll usually kind of shave off one side or the other yeah but i just i had i had such a good time last year and i was i went back um not that long ago because i forget what it was for but i was watching some of the collab videos that people had released like even ones that i wasn't in or anything um from ltx last year and just like being like wow that was so cool just having probably more of the tech community all together in one place then anything other than probably ces would be the only one i can think of where there'd be more computex is probably close but um it's overseas for a lot of the north american guys so at least within our circle it's not as commonly traveled to and especially in recent times because so many creators have stopped attending shows yeah oh yeah for sure you're getting more of those creators that have stopped attending shows that are well going to in the future probably and also for 2019 attended ltx which is pretty sweet there's still a lot of people who didn't come this year are like still supportive of 2021 they're like yeah you know give me a year and you know as long as we've got uh as long as we've got that uh that covid vaccine sorted out and all that good stuff and as long as it's like safe to travel i'm super down do you see marquez's tweet about ces announcement that they're going forward with an in-person event they are i know right i don't know if they've backtracked on this since then but i can head over to the ces website ces the global stage for innovation um what is this um oh okay well that's confusing uh okay let's go ahead and have a look yes yes yep go ahead there's theory that ces was the vector into the us in the first place really like there's some fairly legitimate that long ago at least yeah because they don't really know when it started i imagine if it had been ces it would have gotten a lot bigger a lot faster though everybody gets sick at ces yeah yeah hotels registration information conference exhibitors timeline is a little messed isn't it ces is the largest tech show on the planet huh yeah yep yep no i uh yeah i i'm not gonna be there i'll tell you that much right now um and uh unless there are people on my on my team that really want to go then no i'm not going to be sending anyone over there it's just not what's what's the point i mean that's something that honestly i feel like i've i knew already like i already got kind of irritated when brands would want to you know fly everyone in their dog who has a very busy schedule to some place so that they can put you up in a hotel that i just look around i go like all i'm doing is sleeping here like this costs too much it doesn't make any sense why are we all here when you could have just given me a briefing over skype and sent me a device because that's all i actually care about i just want to know about the product and i need my hands on the product so that i can see if i agree with what you're telling me about the product that's that's it and so this whole this whole song and dance of like dinners and events and stuff like that um it's never made a ton of sense to the pragmatic side of me like obviously it's nice to it's nice to you know see people in the industry that i don't otherwise get a chance to see like that's that's one good thing about it but from like a brand standpoint i don't really understand what the value is for them so it's really made me even though it was something i was already aware of it's really made me rethink just how necessary any of this is yeah um just to just to jump back on it i i found the investigations into kovid being at ces and apparently it was a thing really yeah um fascinating kind of interesting one of the earliest vectors into the us and they're going forward yeah all right well good luck good luck ladies and gentlemen why don't we jump into what was our first headline topic for the day this was originally posted on patently apple apple has apparently been sending messenger messages to uh people who have stolen phones from their apple stores so i mean apple is kind of an obvious target for any kind of uh you know uh looting behaviors because their products well yeah they're they're high value and not just high value one of the one of the coolest things about an apple product if you could think about it is that it holds its value incredibly well like yeah a great condition iphone is worth maybe like that but that's not sealed and brand new is worth maybe like a few percent less than a brand new sealed iphone uh maybe five percent maybe ten whereas if you buy like a game controller okay you go buy an xbox controller and you go try to flip that on craigslist or facebook marketplace or whatever i guarantee you you're taking a 25 hit at least even if it's like perfect condition so yeah uh the one one thing to point out here is that it's not clear whether or not this was all of the devices it might have just been the demo devices um and demo devices do tend to run special software so it's not clear it's it's probably unlikely that like your random iphone that you have at home has this type of kill switch in it um it's it's probably just the demo phones but but still pretty interesting several locations including apple stores in minneapolis portland and phoenix were reported to have been looted in response apple has temporarily closed some of those stores and there's a photo shared on twitter you guys can check it out there that shows what is reported to be a stolen iphone displaying this warning message please return to apple walnut street this device has been disabled and is being tracked local authorities will be alerted oops yikes so the lesson here is very simple you know i'm not going to get philosophical about you know stealing iphones or or whatever but i will leave you guys with this if you're going to steal something you should steal something without a gps in it [Laughter] okay that's it that's all i think that's a universally applicable lesson that we can all appreciate i did not think that was going there at all i'm not gonna i'm not gonna not gonna get into the whole you know we ended up with a lot of controversy okay when we had that discussion about like uh movie and music piracy a little while ago so i'm not even going to get into you know stealing good stealing bad i'm just going to give you a free tech tip okay don't steal stuff with a gps in it and especially stuff with a gps in it that has a serial number that is hardware linked to the device that's extra bad extra super bad so um yep good good good job like take pictures of you while you hold it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's both also that's a pulsar yeah that's bonus fail um apple hasn't made any kind of comment so we actually don't know um for sure you know what the mechanism is of this kill switch or whatever the case may be but um we do know for sure that they want that particular iphone returned to apple walnut street yeah and that also that it is being tracked so tell me this luke you're the person holding this phone okay nice what's your next step don't put your don't put yourself in their mindset you're luke you're luke lafreniere oh wait i guess you got to put yourself in their mindset a little bit okay so you stole a phone let's say took a phone okay i'm not even gonna go that far you took a phone okay maybe you thought someone needed it back or whatever you know whatever you're holding it you get this message what do you do uh well i mean if we're going under the context that i stole it um i'm going to do the you took it you took it i took it from the apple store i'm just not using the word stole you took it okay okay i mean the door wasn't locked anyway i i would i would eat you would you just you would you would you would toss it you'd get rid of it yeah yeah okay i don't know i think especially right now i it would be it would be something to get rid of so here's a question are you making your life more difficult it's now destruction of property yeah because they've been tracking you they've probably sent pictures back okay are you actually so so that's yeah i know remember we're talking tech tips here we're sticking to tech tips tech tips down below now i'm like now recovering my my the phone that i yoked um yeah that you yolk is that the past tense i don't know because i could get into that i like it i think i support this yeah i think i'd take it back to the store i guess i don't know i lost do you think you're like oh wow i bought this from a person okay but the store is closed the store is presumably closed leave it on the smashed counter just leave it on the smashed counter here you go yeah i don't know it's a weird because they're closing all the other stores this store is probably looted and destroyed anyways so yeah i really don't know like what yeah leave it in the broken store someone else will take it i guess that's that's my move for sure 100 cause like i actually don't know what the legal ramifications of taking something taking it okay and then putting it back bringing it back before you're ever actually charged i think i think you still get charged okay but like well like i mean well okay so forget from a legal standpoint then from a moral standpoint okay i have no idea so i i'm like real mad at my neighbor because they put their they dump their lawn clippings over my fence for the last [ __ ] time okay so i'm mad at my neighbor and i go and i take a bat and i like smash his passenger side window in his car okay because i'm i'm an angry person like that okay okay i realize oh you know what that wasn't a nice thing to do because yeah he's out of town for a week right and it's gonna rain and that's really a lot more damage than i wanted to do so i'm a nice guy i realize well this is a simple fix because i conveniently have access to his car because i can unlock the door very easily now because there's a broken window i pretend his car is mine i have the window fixed i put it back exactly the way it was did i morally speaking did i commit a crime remember remember when you when you talked about how we got in a lot of stuff for the for the piracy conversation are we are we going down that line we're going to have a hypothetical we're going to have a hypothetical conversation here luke this is hypothetical okay does that help i mean i think you're still morally wrong you think i'm still morally wrong yeah i mean for one what about atonement you damaged his property you fixed it i did you also temporarily stole it you presumably drove it around or got it i could have had it towed i could have had it towed i would not have driven it you had it towed that is some amount of increased wear on the vehicle that's fair and that is use of his property that he does not uh condone um and what's what's saying that the quality of the new window is up to par with the quality of the preview what if it was better what if i got him like a tinted okay no forget it it's it's just better it's like it smells nice better for whatever reason yeah it smells nice it's a nice smelling window yeah it's a again i i think that is the way to go about the atonement angle i still don't think it's morally right if they but i think it's redeeming if you know what i mean okay i think here's how i think it works i think it's still up to them to press charges or not yeah and then i think ultimately it's gonna be a sentencing issue so it let's say it was a much more severe crime that you then atoned for and like kind of wipes the slate back to fresh and no one's the wiser um you know and let's say it headed to a jury i think the jury still has to convict you but then when it's time for sentencing that's where the leniency comes in where they say well you know normally the sentence for this would be six years in prison or whatever but like you know you the person you killed you you brought them back to life exactly like they were so i guess it's fine now if you if you drove the vehicle away i think that's like grand theft auto yeah so it's really not great you're not you're not doing good here right i think i think if i was arbiter of this situation i think the person who broke the window would be morally wrong but if they went and like got it fixed and there was actually an improvement and they apologized i think if you went after them further you're probably more like oh i'd say nothing if i like did that and then i fixed it there's no way i'd apologize so now they just have this like nice smelling window yeah okay forget about the nice smelling window that's stupid it's just a window yeah it's a normal window normal window i think that definitely means you're morally wrong okay yeah yeah morally wrong but then morally right later but but obviously it's less right than if you hadn't done it in the first place yeah all right so we can move on um the moral of the story is if your neighbor's car has gps okay and a serial number then don't take it oh man and especially if you do take it make sure you bring it back with the windows repaired okay is is that fair to say that that is the world story improvement why don't we jump right into our next topic here um ncix us is back online ladies and gentlemen oh yes okay okay no no no you don't get to look at it yet don't spoil it luke don't spoil it okay hold on i just gotta add a window capture here gotta get to get my get my get my window captured gotta have more windows okay uh window capture yeah existing one window capture two i don't know what window capture two is but it's it's the right thing so that was super lucky yay let's just make that a 16 by nine ish kind of thing we're looking at okay you ready you ready okay okay is it is it u.s it's not ncx man that's such a it's such a reflex it's something like muscle memory i typed ncix.com into my browser yeah in the u.s nobody cared about the us site it was totally the red-headed stepchild um ncixus.com here we go three two one enter you ready for it guys doesn't load that fast it's not funny because the whole show is trying to access oh wait are you guys going to ruin this for everybody oh damn oh it's floating okay there we go here we go oh yeah you see that hot pepper action sale sales i think they mean save 40 to 80 percent okay great discounts on the hottest items we got that pepper you got a hurry to buy and you buy some pepper hold on let's have a look at what we got in here oh final sale 16 gig a series walkman video mp3 all right should i buy one what even is this okay so we got that uh what else we got we got the eight gig e series walkman's videos it's like a drop ship site now okay hold on hold on luke we're exploring together i actually have not looked at it you could be about us look at the about us are they about us 3993 hanover street call is free sales example.com [Laughter] oh no about company hold on let's let's let's find out about us hey this is actually the original url in cigs.com contact oh wait no it might have been contact us you guys come on guys everyone watching the show you guys you got to get off the site so that we can all enjoy it together here all right you gotta you gotta help me out here okay my wan show brethren what else we got we got thirty dollar white t-shirt okay uh you know what i know where you can i know where you can get a better deal on a t-shirt i buy a lot ltdstore.com by the way this is your opportunity to vote guys you want me to shave the beard you got to get the clean shirt if you love the beard you got to get the beard shirt which everyone sells more is what i'm gonna keep for the rest of the year right now i actually have no idea um nick doesn't nick doesn't tell me anything anymore you should call them they're open for one minute no way are they open okay hold on a second 6 pm on friday there's no open for one minute there's no oh they're well they're in new york well i mean maybe in new york we can give it a shot though we can give it a shot okay here hold on a second uh okay it's free it's free to call apparently call is free all right here we go ladies and gentlemen i just i wanna i wanna in service at know moment okay not in service not in service i mean are we surprised luke are we really that surprised i mean sales at example.com do you think you're gonna get a bounce back luke i think you're maybe gonna get a bounce back also i find it interesting oh so even even the address and everything is is fake oh oh do you what about the reviews you guys have the best customer service known to man i have always been impressed with how fast you help us out meanwhile the comment is from november 2013. yeah because like i noticed that the how to reach us it's so awkwardly specific we are located near hanover street bus stop once you get off the bus walk towards the bank and turn left by the entrance walk 200 meters and turn right now go down the street until you see the demo store sign enter the doors under this sign what seriously that's ridiculously specific i mean for all i know maybe that's a totally normal thing for new york-based stores because it can be a bit of a maze there i i will say that look at look at uh just highlight your mouse over the video games category uh yeah none of those none of those things at the top load okay video games nintendo wii playstation 3 playstation vita x x dash box one and what's with these brands like if we go on the on the main page i had it loaded before but i'm having a bit of a hard time now but the the brands that they carry are so random like yeah holy crap creative zen touch to contact us for price are you even kidding like price too low to show wildwood city classic bike the page is just like basically completely dead for me now unfortunately at this point but i was having way too much fun with this and i would have loved to enjoy it some more yes cell phones apple iphone htc motorola nokia samsung you know what's kind of bizarre though luke is some of these things actually look kind of weirdly familiar like mp3 speaker systems right who would call it mp3 speaker system that's not a terminology that's like ever been used by anyone ever except ncix part of me is actually kind of wondering if if some aspect of this is running on the nci x back end it could also just be like like i if they're trying to launch it like if this demo store thing whatever whatever company actually powered by multi-vendor shopping cart software simtek yeah maybe not then maybe not yeah it's just weird yeah so this brand stuff so the the logo the four boxes with the one extra box thing and all that kind of stuff that is this cs cart like uh like pre-done framework thingy that they're using okay like the similar products one uh no just the logo the demo store thing so like whatever platform they're running yeah or or framework or whatever this is yeah um they they could have just tried to port whatever they had over interesting and like ncx had console stuff they did they did and it was like the the generation of stuff is like kind of right yeah it's really weird like and things like like grouping grouping printers and scanners together like i'm pretty sure that's a thing we did it's been a long time it's all stuff like apparel and sports and outdoors is probably just extra categories that came with the demo store software yeah that kind of makes sense and i'm just like i'm looking at some of this weird stuff like the okay i don't i don't know i don't know about like the a series walkman video i don't know if that's like the kind of random dead stock thing that might have still been showing you know in stock or something like that and as far as i can tell there's no reference to the type of sku numbers that i know that ncix used so it's hard for me to say exactly what's going on here but it's really weird really weird i can say that much for sure home slash brand is a really weird mix of like the most generic companies that someone would throw on something ever plus like d-link in cisco because there's some nc stuff in there you know what i mean yeah they have microsoft but then they have like mont blanc really weird okay my mp3 oh what is it home slash brand i think so the page is having a lot of issues for me yeah i'm having a real hard time here i think we hugged it a little bit yeah i think we love hugged it to death okay well that's fine i i can i can live with what we've seen so far i think that's uh you know here's what i'll say good luck guys i truly do wish you the best of luck with the um the the the the offshoot and really never very successful domain um for the u.s that never had anything in stock of mine if you if you implement it uh go to where sorry cs-cart.com you don't actually need to go um and you go through their marketplace software and you select demo which is the specific demo store we're seeing that everywhere one of their options once you jump through it if you select all the things that you would select if you were ncx once you get to option five there's i'm migrating from another ecommerce platform data transfer interesting i'm yeah here i'm just gonna bring this back up i'm migrating data transfer required okay you know what though i really doubt that there'd be i mean i guess it would all just be like at the end of the day there would be a database solution of some sort i like i never obviously poked around and so ncix's was custom coded for better or for worse it was their own homebrew thing mostly worse um and so but even if it was like some weirdo random thing the database would contain fields that could be i guess if if you're willing to get manual enough with it could be ingested into someone else's platform things like sku or vendor part number or description or color they didn't have a field for color it's like oh really that was why we had to have separate product pages for every single variant of a device i remember that like oh man that's weird there were advantages to doing it that way you know it meant that when uh when a person went on a product page and it said in stock it was like definitely in stock not like some variants of it are in stock except when it wasn't in stock because our stock wasn't accurate a lot of the time like except for that um i still remember like the amount of pushback internally when the decision was made by the higher ups to start reflecting um in stock at a nearby supplier as in stock on the website or in stock at one of our retail stores as in stock on the website because what that meant was people would order something thinking it's going to ship right away and most of the time like we could do store transfers we had trucks going every day to every store but most of the time the the purchaser would like try to bring one in from outside because it's actually very time consuming to do inter-store transfers and it would take a couple of days and people would then get mad it's like come on and even if you do have it in stock at the store generally speaking trucks went out in the morning and then back at the end of the day or to the back no they went to each store and then back so if it was one of the stores that you hit in the morning then it might go out that day but if it was one of the stores that you hit near the end of the day then it wouldn't go out that day and it would be delayed by at least a day so people would get mad about that as well it was just it was just stupid there's a bunch of pushback but we never changed it and it created so many customer service issues and it was just totally unnecessary and lttstore.com will never treat you that way when we say we're in stock we are in stock except when we like actually aren't because it says guys this is a pre-printed thing and i had someone chase me about a a pre-printed shirt um pretty aggressively like wait why isn't it here yet like well because we said it was a pre-order campaign for um we didn't say it would be there yet i'm sorry i found ncxus.com on the wayback machine from 2014. nice you want to send me that link um hit me on hangouts that would be the easiest thing for me to copy into a thing when's the okay so this is actually from 2016 but the site was still all right hit me up i can't believe how long that website was up and like seemingly still taking orders after they had declared bankruptcy and there was no hope of it coming back yeah that was absolutely ridiculous that like should have been a much bigger problem i think waiting for hang us the world oh seriously oh right i guess you probably don't have that uh that their browser window open there bud gotta get that get that there browser window open bud oh my goodness every module has to take three years to load there we go i believe in you all right here we go you guys ready to go way back we're gonna go back on the way back machine ncix us wow look at this this is their stop by products look at these categories yeah yeah yeah i know what it is i just you know i know i didn't link you to the home page okay so printers and scanners okay so control f printer i didn't see the mp3 speaker thing no okay okay so maybe this is just someone else oh i missed the oh i missed the sale event art that's a weird thing to be nostalgic about maybe hey tom you know what ah i know there used to be a website where he archived all that stuff uh oh man what was it called ncix banner vault some power up for the playoff sales event slashing prices free shipping over a hundred dollars whoa i think it actually might have been on thebannervault.com it's gone it's gone yeah so here's a thread here's a thread from our forum from a thousand years ago um thebannervault.com but unfortunately the bannervault.com is down see ya bannervault.com it was nice knowing ya yeah so in net linked weekly episode 1 you mention it and it is in the description huh all right well that's a shame yeah they were really cool he would spend pretty much most of his week on the sale banner um so like most of the beginning of the week so it was like three days worth of artwork and i really liked his style and then he would work on sort of other graphic designer stuff on the other couple of days i wonder what happened to him he was he was a good he was a good egg i really liked him really easy to work with i mean i i there's a few people there that like i really miss and they just did not deserve to go down with that ship at all yeah hopefully he's doing all right all right why don't we move on to some more tech news here 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and i i no longer longer think it's that amazing but looking at this ncx a hammer a hammer that acts that can do everything right that's what he bought first dad long time ago never got it kickstarter that was for christmas okay sorry whatever um but yeah it i yeah it's not as cool it's a bad gift and you're a bad son either way i thought i thought uh going to way back machine versions of like computer hardware websites and configuring a computer on there that costs a certain amount and then configuring a computer now that costs a certain amount that's a really cool idea i love it my only reason why i thought it might not be that crazy is because you could literally just go back to your videos from that era wow what a dick [Music] i guess you couldn't bench that computer against current things huh what a dick benefits sovereignty so rude so i guess you know i don't know maybe you don't need to do that because you probably remember what it was like when dinosaurs roamed the earth what this what this isn't even that long i understand you i understand you fam i understand you i know what happened 2016 the horrible year when man ran from dinosaurs yeah when the the dinosaurs they they fast you got to watch out they're fast all right we've got some more tech news for you guys uh amd implies rdna 2 big navi is going to release four pc before the next gen consoles calling it a halo product so that would mean it should be coming in the next few months given how few um like engineering boards showing up on like you know shipping um what they called like uh not commercial invoices what's the other thing that a shipping thing comes with packing lists like shipping packing lists and stuff uh given how few of those we've seen um i don't know it seems like uh that's kind of hard to believe but also you never know um and if they say they're going to do it i mean they've kind of delivered on a lot of stuff lately so when asked by a host blah blah blah ambi cfo davinder kumar said we should how should we think about andy's gpu roadmap he's map he said taking the same approach for gpus that they took on the cpu side interesting so there's a lot of excitement for navi 2 or what our fans have dubbed big navi and it's a halo product which means that we can expect it to compete at the top end of the graphics card market with that said uh it's been so long since amd has had a competitive product in that segment that and okay you know it's really hard when you've kind of had a relationship with not just the brand like not just the logo but just with like the people at a company for so many years it's hard to put that history aside but i'll say this you know there's probably a reason that dr sue was the highest paid ceo i think it was last year you see that article no she made like 56 million dollars or something like that with all the performance-based bonuses her base salary is actually very reasonable um going to dunker for this year i think that's different though because i think that wasn't a performance-based bonus yeah but it hold on a second let's see i'm just gonna just gonna check my my source here so blah blah in the s p 500 last year earned a total of 58.5 million um almost 13 million more than whatever yeah so it i guess it depends on how it's classified is his bonus just like uh like how is that how is that possibly more than what bezos got paid well bezos might have cashed in stock that he owned but that was not necessarily his compensation or or gained more stock potentially yeah but i okay all right all right look look look look hold on a second give me a sec okay one million in base salary 1.2 million in performance-based bonus ah man you're making my life difficult here sorry there's just there's a lot of different ways that ceos get compensated and this might just be sort of like one basic way 150 billion dollars yes yes yes yes yes yes yes okay that's not gained by uh this is making that's so unpredictably ridiculous it is is a lot of money anyway the point is the point i'm trying to make whatever she got paid a lot and it was all performance-based bonuses the company is a different company under her as far as i can tell so even though all these years of you know interacting with amd i've been sort of strung along strong along it's gonna be really good this time it's gonna be really good this time it's gonna be really good this time i've been strung along and disappointed a lot of times hasn't happened a lot lately so maybe this will be different maybe it's going to be awesome let's let's hope for the best because you know whether it's nvidia's pricing or whether it's their you know relationship with sony and microsoft that's a weird one you know microsoft whatever it is nvidia doesn't seem to be even interested in competing in consoles at least not at whatever margins they can make on them so the better amd does the better an entire generation of gaming hardware is going to be and the better the target that game developers are going to be aiming at with the quality of their games and therefore the better they're going to look on the pc so i'm rooting for big navi there they do switch that's true nvidia is in the switch i i forgot about that and there's kind of a lot of switches being pumped out that's true but the switch doesn't dictate the visual fidelity of an entire generation of games totally i'm just saying it's it's not like nvidia's out of the console space technically that's true the switch yeah and the switch yeah and not the wii u before it or the wii or the gamecube before that the switch yep they got that one they're technically in there so they remain on track to launch next generation zen 3 and rd and a2 gpus in late 2020 um regarding who they'll be for blah blah blah all the way up to enthusiast larger ecosystem man these are a lot of very dense notes with not a lot of like take away here but thanks anyway anthony oh yeah that's okay that would be an anthony thing that's the thing is like as much as our writing staff adds so much expertise to our team they're i'm i'm 100 sure that there's still a value to having me there just to make it digestible sometimes you anthony uh one of our other uh one of our other actually pretty exciting look at looking topics uh zeon 10 nanometer this is from alex uh who posted in here and it's uh william cll on the forum uh there were three geekben geekbench geekbench four submissions of an ice lake desktop cpu that appear to be server cpus and by desktop i don't mean desktop versus server i mean like not a laptop um so they have rumored support for pcie 4.0 and ddr4 3200 and the specs that we've got from this geekbench poll are 24 cores 48 threads base clock of 2.2 gigahertz boost of 2.9 uh i can't add up all this cash in my head 32 kilobytes times 24 go luke that's the level one instruction cache okay you ready for the level one data cache 48 kilobytes times 24. okay add that to the previous one level two cash 1.25 megabytes times 24 and then we've got a level three cache that's 36. and what is it i have no idea oh all right you tried uh so the iceland chips 4 100 points single threaded for context intel's current 14 nanometer xeon gold 6212u scores 47.72 so that's faster but the new ice lake is much faster in multi-thread at about 9.2 percent faster so yeah um that's neat i guess and nice we got an answer from chat somebody said it's exactly 69 bites shut up perfect it is not beautiful had enough i've had enough i've had enough of your attitude and i've had enough of your lies check i heard when they announced the uh intel core 10 10 420 that it will have exactly 469 bytes of uh of cash how much fun would it be if intel actually had enough personality to do something like that i'm not i'm not even like like a pothead or whatever like i to me 420 is just like it's just like like like it's just a meme right it's just a number but like a green spreader just yeah exactly just like having enough personality to just be like you know lol we did something and there's gonna be some people mad but we just like issue a statement be like yeah you know we're sorry you're so you're sorry you're mad you know just issue like a total non-apology for it and move on because realistically at the end of the day people don't buy cpus based on like their close relationship with the the the values of the brand what at least i i don't um then again maybe maybe some people do uh so you know i can't i can't imagine you'd lose that many customers based on just doing like a silly edition cpu once in a while but again you know what what do i know right like look at all the pr disasters i've created for myself this week so i'm the last person i'm the last person they should put in charge of marketing it would be okay so the the memory of the numbers aside yeah it would be kind of fun if every once in a while they they release like really limited runs just weird processors they just they they just can't do it and i don't i don't know why like it's not like they don't have ideas like doing uh you know uh uh uh an anodized black integrated heat spreader for example it's just like the the machine the machine is just too big to do even 10 000 units or something imagine the extreme editions had anodized black they should they even have artwork they even have artwork of them that kind of like look like they're darker yeah of course they do they know it would be cool that would be so cool like do you remember we did that gold-plated 8086 the core i7 8086 dude just imagine like anodized black with a gold-plated gold-plated uh skull trail skull on it i know right that would be the sickest looking processor ever just like oh my god i know like that's the kind of thing that i'd be like ah sorry how much more is this than the one i like how much am i going to lose selling my current one like how much more does this cost am i in it for like 70 bucks like i'd kind of think about it yeah but for whatever reason it's hard to be cool and i guess i get it um i just oh man that would be so sweet like there isn't even that much stuff that gets me like that excited with computer and you'll never even see it because it's like hidden yeah doesn't even matter it's just so cool all right we've got a couple of other things vegetable stew on the forum posted this since 2012 apple has been attempting to automate installing micro screws for the assembly of iphones and search so here's a quote from the apple engineers building a robot that can fasten screws is among the hardest challenges in the industry a robot must pick up the screw at a specific angle and align it with a hole using multiple industrial cameras apple uses screws that are so tiny that robots had no way to measure the force used to drill them in whereas by contrast human workers can feel the resistance from their hand and can tell when something is off it might seem like getting a robot to do something as simple as install a screw should be very simple but even just picking up a screw in the right orientation can be very difficult in 2014 apple attempted to automate the assembly of the 12-inch macbook but they eventually stopped because the 88 screws in the keyboard kept malfunctioning leading to a delay and release of six months um so anthony included some notes here thinking about the force to require uh required to install like an uh an m2 or an m1 screw it's like basically nothing and really fiddly um getting the robot to tell the difference between cross threading that or just like a generous portion of loctite sounds almost impossible so that's just a cool news item i have no idea what we were supposed to say about that anthony but thank you for contributing or alex thank you for contributing that uh do you want to talk about fog gaming sure it's pretty [ __ ] up are close to your house that actually sounds pretty cool luke i think you're being a hater but it's like i think you're gonna end up making an apology video but they're maybe i will because maybe i don't understand what's going on that would be very very fair but as far as i can tell it's basically just cloud gaming for only people in japan yes okay so maybe even more local than that maybe it's only people within like a certain vicinity of this previous arcade so what they're doing it's it's a cool idea hopefully so they don't have to close these down completely but sega has around 200 arcades spread across japan and they've been pretty unused due to well you know coveted stuff just the reason why almost every storefront has been pretty unused yeah so i've been trying to think about something to do with the servers and the pcs that they have in those centers and hopefully try to monetize a little bit if they can right so they came up with this whole idea of fog gaming where it's cloud gaming right it's still cloud gaming but these local arcades are the things that are powering it so the data center is super close essentially because it's the arc yeah because it's not a data center it's just like it's actually a few blocks over yeah yeah i think it's i think it's super cool i mean i don't necessarily know that sega's implementation is super exciting to me i don't live in japan yeah and whatever like games they're running i i have i have no idea if i would care about any of them but imagining sort of a future uh where it almost sounds like the kind of thing that you know someone's going to try and build on the blockchain or something like that like where you can contribute your gpu power to someone else gaming and join this like gaming network or something um kind of like the the the tesla's idea of like you can rent your car while you're not using it exactly so it's like instead of like so nvidia they've got their like geforce gtx or rtx where you like buy the hardware then they've got their g-force now where you can like rent the hardware then they've got their like g-force everywhere where it's like you can kind of like like an electrical grid right you could uh pay to use the grid or you could contribute any access back to the grid so if you look at like the really cool demos that microsoft did where they were offloading some of the processing to the cloud like back when they first launched the xbox one x it's not impossible to imagine a future where i could have let's say an rtx 2060 for example and i could go oh gee you know what i really want to enjoy some game x in the highest possible fidelity and my neighbors aren't using their rtx 2080s and all of a sudden i can i can take their processing power and use it to power my game i mean probably that's completely unfeasible but maybe one neighbor as long as the connection between me and them is good i could sort of have a temporary graphics card upgrade and then maybe at some other time you know someone with integrated graphics on their laptop could use my rtx 2060 for like a lower rate of return right so i obviously wouldn't get to loan my card out for as much and then i would have to kind of pay the difference if i wanted to loan even more power to myself but that that would be pretty cool like a fog gaming concept like that would not eliminate the latency problems there'd still be latency especially if you're the kind of person who's a competitive gamer it's unlikely to me that we're ever going to get to the point where playing on anything other than local hardware is going to give you the ultimate competitive edge but for just playing like casual games it's it's hard to say ever because like in in like 40 years who knows what's even gonna be going on but like speed of light luke speed of light right unless they're gonna put a data center on every city block ain't happening i mean they could do that they could do that just start putting them all underground and just everywhere that nothing's impossible you're right but there's nothing you can do about physical distance other than bring the compute closer to the user and this could conceivably be a way to do it yeah there's at least one person in in chat that's freaking out about starlink to do with this i don't i think with starlink i mean style is great i'm not talking down on starlink but that this would not that's not that would not be a fog style if you wanted to do something like that over starlink whoa for one mm-hmm for two you would just do traditional cloud gaming for sure yep yep light and fiber does not move the speed of light we know it's okay don't worry about it it's fine there are there are still practical limitations to how fast it can move that's the point yep yep corsair recalling power supplies yeah that's very boring core survey called some power supplies they had a bad batch um yeah i mostly just wanted to like tell people yeah it's like an sfx series one you probably don't have one um october 2019 to march 2020 they had some bad ones um there's a new aio from thermaltake that cools your cpu and ram i'm sort of afraid to look at the picture of it here we go here we go wow it's i bet it's just got to be a block of rgb that's my yup yeah nailed it nailed it thank you luke for that did you how far how deep into your crystal ball did you have to look to see that one it was pretty surface level not gonna lie all right and then you had some thoughts on the uh kyle halliday.com raytracing in notepad uh post here just just don't back yourself into a corner where you have to issue an apology video here that's all i ask luke uh it's it's i mean it's cool i think one of one of the notes says holidays project uh great name for a software developer by the way holidays project is a great showcase of what can be achieved by combining little hacks and that's i mean yeah it's super neat oh it's like i don't i don't want anyone to be like oh my god is there going to be games in notepad he never says that no one else is saying that i don't want literally no one is saying that no one no one is it it's a really cool little hacky project i like things like this they're fun um built like a snake game with it that's neat it's pretty cool it's it's like yeah i i this kind of stuff is is cool um but yeah right just like someone's like fog gaming and starlink i just you know don't jump too far with it it's a very cool adorable state game though i kind of love it yeah wow with the line spacing you really run into trouble with the with the uh the speed of the snake when you're going up and down versus side to side i mean he never said the gameplay was great no no no no but it is cool it's really interesting how he got there um it's yeah this kind of stuff is really fun this is a really cool way to get into if you if this looks interesting to you there's a really cool way to get into software development and and learning how to like be hacky with things in in cool productive ways well not necessarily super productive in this in this case but it all depends on how you've defined cool also that but i think it's cool like i probably wouldn't i probably wouldn't whip out my my blog at like the bar to depends which bar yeah honestly this snake game could go really far in the right bar says someone who is really a very large amount of time in barcelona yeah i i know for a fact that you know very little about how bars work then again i know very little about how bars work too i know you got to pass one if you want to be a lawyer i've got that i know that you you got to do it again if you want to reinforce concrete um okay yeah rebar yeah no that was good i uh yeah i assume there's bars in silicon valley where if you whipped out your snake game and notepad you'd have a crowd like almost immediately okay all right and on that note i think this would this would do great yeah so there you guys have it uh luke's pickup tips here on the lan show why try them out try them out it could work if you find the right person it could work all right uh let's do a couple super chats yusuji says i think i played a significant role in the recent twitter drama and wanted to apologize oh no no don't worry you're good you're good it's all good when they lose the snake game it could print on screen like you lost the game but you could win a date with me oh lordy oh man terrible it's funny because i made it worse i reduced your chances don't do that part do the first part though oh this is kind of crazy the internet archive uh is being sued what by who um okay when internet archive announced it was creating a national emergency library temporarily suspending waitlists to borrow ebooks and had a pandemic a crowd of writers and publishers made their um reflection if you do please film it and show me okay i don't know enough about this to comment on it yet but thank you for your super chat i will try and have a look at it later um thanks metal gappy uh thanks your reg tara day um chris mckenzie says great value super chat i guess it's up to you i mean i guess it was two bucks he didn't really invest much so there's that uh robert mail says won't be able to watch live this month pretend this super chat is something topic relevant also mc.ltt.gg thanks robert literally pays me to promote my own minecraft server he seems to be very confused about how this works but that's okay it's adorable um qadhafi says two bones for linus's beard leveling up thank you uh james hey linus i spent a decent amount of money on supers to ask questions that often don't get answered wow you really wasted this one no just kidding there's a question in here would you consider doing videos or streams dedicated to responding to missed supers oh oh wow no you really did waste it wow what a bummer i really i saw it this time and uh the answer is no i'm afraid oh crap this is awkward um yeah no i mean i i do stream uh games like uh like beat saber and stuff and if people ask me questions during those i like try to answer them and it tends to be a much smaller crowd because wan show is like between 10 and 15 000 viewers typically so chat moves too fast like even the super chat moves too fast sometimes whereas those streams get like hundreds of viewers by comparison um impulsiveness says i recently started watching your vids because i'm going to buy and build my own any tips um watch more vids watch more vids yeah and save your money buy a better pc instead of sending super chats to um ungrateful youtubers there you go that's a free tech tip i i have it's like i haven't had enough shooting myself in the foot for one week you know i gotta keep going that if you send more super chats in higher values your computer goes faster did you hear that who'd you hear that the sending of the super chat alleviates some of the weight on the ram sub system of your computer yeah who'd you hear that from giving you more ram uh don't listen to lyle he lies you've all heard that downloading ram doesn't work uploading ram however highly effective yeah so the harder you get rammed by wasting your money on someone's super chats the more ram you have yeah that's that's pretty graphic all right uh tommy gunn says can you do a build in your old dj07 loved that case no one using it anymore that would be pretty fun um it's actually it's actually right behind me uh under this pile of stuff yeah you guys can kind of see the pile back there um but probably not anytime soon all right uh robert says my ram shows 16 gigs eight usable do you think it's a bad cpu man that's weird i feel like i've seen that before but i don't remember where if you're using onboard memory i still i don't think an onboard gpus can even allow you to allocate like eight gigs to it am i wrong is that possible actually can you can you allocate eight gigs of ram to your onboard memory or to your onboard gpu i have no idea i can't uh you know what i'm sure someone else in the post it on the forum you gotta post on linus tech tips forum uh thanks mike adams all right just gonna do a couple more here uh hugh holmes asks can an ltt shirt save my marriage the best way to save your marriage hugh is to stop wasting your money on super chats and spend them on your wife you won't know until you try luke did you just say you won't know until you try if super chats are gonna save your marriage or the ltt shirt oh really ott store.com here here i am trying to give people good advice luke i'm trying to give people good advice i'm trying to but if they appeal to said marriage partner through a super chat and that marriage partner watches the want show and then you say it that could be interpreted as a romantic gesture but then what if i got it wrong okay so what if so what if someone sends me a super chat right to get me to shout out their wife or their husband to try to save their marriage and then inadvertently i say i shout it out i'm like yeah this is a good marriage it's worth saving and then and then it ends up being a bad marriage and not worth saving and then i have to do an apology video again what if the marriage what if they were better off having never met each other luke then what that's just that's just how the cook crumbles sometimes you know i just gotta make mythology videos all right thanks ancient morose and steven rodriguez who demands that zunes come back good luck oh my goodness that would be i mean in today's day and age horrible but back then i actually really liked zune i never had any money so i didn't buy one but i really like the software that i used anyways theorica don't worry it's all good i don't actually have a neighbor that dumps grass over my fence it's chill uh mgs otakon says i applied for the me position on the site and was wondering what made you guys want to get more into product dev hope my resume catches an eye or two um i just have a bunch of ideas for stuff that i think we could make for lttstore.com that require a mechanical engineer who actually has time to work on mechanical engineering alex has done a great job on some of the projects that he's working on right now but he just also needs to like be a writer um so that's why that's why we've we've got some stuff that we feel like needs to be made and there's no one here to make it so we're gonna hire someone to make it that's how you do it yeah uh milky moth says this is my first time watching the wine show love your content wanted to show some support well thank you very much appreciate it and raphael says do a video about everyone's mbti and big five personality types please what is an mbti i hope i haven't like oh man i hope i haven't said something that's just like horrible or something it's oh oh my yeah um i'm whatever the like angry short one is the little dog little dog syndrome which one's little dog syndrome we did this at floatplane a while back and it was actually yeah oh that's kind of cool it wasn't even my idea um aj i'm pretty sure aj came up with it but yeah most of them i was like yeah that makes sense like there wasn't there wasn't any that really were all that surprising all right why don't you do me thank you anytime um well i've got it up on the screen what you got to use the questions on the outside of the chart to determine the four letters okay analyze me you put the anal and analyze i know you do is he muted okay e for sure okay so i'm i'm extra virgin you wouldn't describe me as private though no so well okay yeah but if i have to pick one or the other you're definitely e and in this case the e is like font size 72 and the next three letters are going to be like normal like font size 18. like there's just this e at the beginning dang then it goes on to the rest of it it's like the markiplier e meme comes back and just places an e right at the beginning of your all right so i'm definitely ending up on the bottom of the chart here that's uh that's a strong that's a strong start here strong start oh you cut back i can't see it now oh oh i'm sorry you were actually using my thing oh it's just on wikipedia but yeah okay all right i'll leave it up i'll leave it up okay i found it hold on okay i'll take it down all right it's down it's down we're all good we're all good we got this okay the next one is i could see it going yeah this is what i'm saying like these these ones are more like font size 18. this one i could kind of see going either way i i have experienced you acting in both ways separately um i i think i would go with s i'm sensing pay attention to concrete facts and details don't uh you know run your mouth and have to make an apology video because you were a jerk no that's not in there that doesn't seem right i prefer ideas that have practical applications okay i definitely prefer practical applications but i also like stuff for their own sake i don't know i give them very much going either way on that yeah i don't know i think the rest are all going to kind of be flexible i was trying to figure you out at the same time and like honestly you know looking at even extroversion versus introversion um you know there are times when your you could totally be described as talkative and outgoing but then also i i i'd probably lean you more towards the eye side but it's just not that simple you know yeah yeah i think that's what a lot of this ultimately is and for me when i do this e and i tend to flip depending on like when i take the test yeah oh yeah totally and even things like thinking versus feeling like you definitely enjoy finding flaws in an argument he likes finding flaws in arguments [Laughter] and you could be described as reasonable and level-headed but i would also say you are warm and empathetic and you value harmony and forgiveness so it's like it's tough right yeah i think i think it's it's too dependent on the scenario and people people you know people kind of flow like water sometimes and you gotta yeah i don't know you gotta just hold out your hands and uh catch them you know and drink them up what you gotta do it's a tough job someone's gotta do it some of the quotes from this show are going to be ridiculous all right thank you guys very much for uh tuning in oh hold on got uh one more one more uh super chat here uh jack says uh my girlfriend is brand new to pc gaming thanks to you do you have a game recommendation for her um thanks for all you do also hey luke all right so luke what's your game recommendation uh breath of the wild i mean you can play probably both of those games on pc you can definitely play breath of the wild on pc that's true technically buy a copy of it that you then like bury in your backyard or whatever but all right i hope you guys enjoyed the show we'll see you again next week same bedtime same bat channel bye bye uh where's the thing hold on a second there it is all right roll in that intro outro whatever it is raphael super chat soylent drink people yeah well only soylent green the soylent thing that like you can buy now is not people as far as i know although if i might say that and it turns out to be people and i have to make another apology video that would suck it was like oh man i i like i felt like i was walking into like a a a court hearing or something like walking down to set to shoot that i really didn't want to do it it wasn't it was good video well no but i wanted i wanted to do it like i wouldn't have written it if i didn't want to do it but i really was uncomfortable doing it anyway all right i gotta end the show sorry bye guys

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Published: Sat Jun 06 2020