Stevie Richards on Right to Censor, Blue World Order, ECW, Hardcore Championship

ivory walked by and you know people might say how could you say this but this was the point where i stopped making excuses and i started being sick and tired of being sick and tired and she goes my god you're getting fat stevie it is an honor to have you on the show thank you so much for joining us oh thank you chris i've been looking forward to this for a long time even though we didn't really sync up i watch a lot of your interviews i just saw the chris masters one where he recounted the uh the polish hammer incident and also uh i took your advice about that oh my gosh wow with the ridge wallet oh my god that was oh man i carried around i was literally old italian south philly italian uh father with the rubber band around the big wallet now i i minimalized that this thing is life-changing isn't it it is i i must admit i have to knock off amazon brand but i'm thinking about upgrading to the official bridge one just that style of putting that wallet in your front pocket is so much better and we'll get into the chris masters stuff in just a little bit but i gotta say man you look incredible well thank you i appreciate it so do you man i'm looking at your camera your microphone you're all professional you got the silver plaque behind you congratulations good stuff thank you this was mostly a product of covid and going you know you we would normally be doing this interview in person normally i would fly there we would do this interview in person but all of this is a product of covid and you know we we can't really be in the same space as someone right now well let's put a pin in it and then when we can do it we will make a promise to everybody out there we'll do this 101 in the gym working out together how's that oh my gosh done we will do that for sure yeah your your fitness is next level right now actually you know what the funny thing is my fitness is very basic and beginner and back to foundational stuff and that's kind of what i what i promoted stevie richards fitness is is really just i mean you can do it at any level but i'm knowing now being almost 50 years old that i really knew do need to address a lot of foundational problems a lot of flaws your actual workouts are actually shorter than the prehab and the rehab stuff so it's it's pretty interesting it it might seem next level but it's just basic physical therapy from almost 30 years of wrestling i mean maybe just the results are next level because you're almost 50 years old you turn 50 this year which is incredible because you don't look even 40 years old it's just i mean it's just a ponytail that's all it is you still have hair i think that's the big thing don't jinx me that's the old italian that's that's why my dad with the thick wallet i figured that was the secret old italian father do your workouts have to be different now that you are closer to 50 i would say so i mean i'm sure you feel aches and pains from traveling and just everyday stressors and stuff i would say that sometimes like right now i'm revisiting foundational strength like wendlar531 which is your four basic lifts but there's an alternative reason for that because i want to release a power band program for srf by the end of the year so it's kind of i've been testing this quote in the lab to try to make sure that it all transfers over to a resistance band type workout uh but you definitely have to do a lot of stuff to alleviate joint pain prevent more joint damage uh yoga is involved for sure stretching even i have an infrared sauna there's all sorts of little you can go as far as you want with the biohacking or you can keep it as simple as don't eat don't eat sugar don't drink soda don't eat fast food how much is ddpy worked into this i haven't done that honestly since i was with the company until october 2016 and then i explored other versions of yoga more vinyasa flow uh power yoga which was what ddp yoga is based on and i i tell everybody out there who's asking for workouts all you 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birthday gift that you get just click that link down below i remember distinctly like early on in your run in wwe you went from being like a guy who was in okay shape to like being a jacked and tan guy like in my opinion it felt like overnight like what was the shift that happened there well the number one it was the end of the right to censor which i was actually in the worst shape of my life 262 44 inch waist i remember stepping on the scale in milwaukee wisconsin next to bull buchanan and you know how big that guy is yeah i weighed more than him and that was kind of the and ivory walked by and you know people might say how could you say this but this was the point where i stopped making excuses and i started being sick and tired of being sick and tired and she goes my god you're getting fat and you might think in a in a way that's so sort of mean especially in the society we live in today but i i that was like the best thing that ever happened to me because it snapped me out of it like that's all it took then from that point on jr had told me that honestly and i i give him credit for it that my job was on the line and they all in all likelihood they were probably going to fire me anyway but i should probably try to get in shape to try to you know because i'm i'm out of shape my work rate's not what it used to be and he was right on both counts uh and that started the process even though it seemed like overnight uh the chronic uh short run happened where i had the the jet black hair then i went to uh heartland wrestling and social association lest thatcher's developmental territory uh and worked in ovw summit and all it was was cardio twice a day i cut my calories i cut my carbs cut out all fast foods uh and and just dropped down to in the end in the beginning of the end when i came back on tv yeah i did a heat match myself and just incredible versus big show people probably could see it on youtube i was around 193 194. oh my god that was a six month run yeah but you're talking about it wasn't so much wow you made such a transformation it was like you came from such a point of being so out of shape and so you know excuse written and sort of lazy and it took all these kicks in the ass to kind of get you going and now it's like two pounds one pound five it freaks me out because i don't want to have any latitude to even turning 50. there's no excuse or latitude that i give myself to be any kind of range of out of shape so what do you weigh right now too much nah i'm i you know it's funny as i'm making a lot of adjustments and and as you get to be i think even people with environmental like how old are you chris i'm 37 about to be 38 next month well i i'll make sure to put that in my calendar so i can may 19th may 19th oh that's when c no evil came out kane's favorite day yeah yes exactly well at least my ct hasn't kicked in yet i remember that stuff so on that note like 37 you're living out there in l.a you're traveling you're doing this show i think environmental stressors and even stress of work and money and all that stuff on top of it the the way you have to adjust for those things you get younger and younger used to be like hey when you turn 40 you really have to look at everything when you turn 50 you have to look at all these things i find out every week or a month i have to reassess whether it be diet workouts both sleep it can become pretty trying but really at the same time it's fascinating it never gets boring because you're kind of like a human lab experiment every day kind of gauging things it can't be easy to eat properly and eat clean when you're on the road with wwe well i was a shakes and bar guy mostly because it was cheaper sure that's that's why and also like a lot of times i would be so nervous before shows i couldn't eat but the caterpillars were so good what's that the catering's so good well don't think i didn't bring it back to the room and gorge myself after the show get get a free meal off this but but yeah catering was good i did eat catering sometimes but i would have to i'm sure you talked to town often on camera that at a certain point a day because of your nerves or because of whatever you're so afraid of being bloated you're afraid of just not feeling uh you feel sluggish or you feel tired you just want to be ready to go do you think you would have been in better shape had you not wrestled with a shirt on during right to censor you know it's an interesting question because there is a psychological thing to that uh my part my personal life led to making a lot of different excuses and just things at home and i was allowing myself and i was being told by people who cared about me around me no it's okay it's just an extra tenant which was the worst thing it was an enabling thing but that was on me putting the shirt on yeah i joke around saying putting that shirt in tile and put 60 pounds on me it is kind of a thing where you don't have the accountability because you might not say it out loud you might not think it but you're like well i'm covered up so i can always you know start my diet tomorrow or next week sure let's take this back so you grew up in philadelphia right yes who i know i screwed up your mojo because usually it's like no no no beginning there is there is no flow here this is just a conversation like we bumped into each other you know on the street or something like that so who were you when you were growing up in philly who was i yeah oh i'm a lot of what i am now but a lot less uncomfortable back then i was always a a kid that never felt like he fit in i'm always i was always a nerdy kid a kid who really just was very i was comfortable myself i was never comfortable in large groups of people so don't tell me how i picked wrestling i and also i i always wanted to do something that meant something that inspired people i had no clue what it was and as a young kid and not knowing how to express that being shy being bullied just like anybody else really to whatever level it is and it just it turned out like i said before about ivory saying i'm fat it turned out to be the biggest blessing because if i had fit in then and if i had fit in throughout my life leading up to my wrestling career i wouldn't have had the the freedom to do it because i would have felt comfortable and content where i was at because i said well doing this and traveling and sleeping my car and going to this tryout and trying to see if i can work for free on this indie show i would have never had that motivation because i said well it's nice and comfortable here i was i said how bad can it be it can't be any worse than i feel right now any more rejected or alone so i'm making it sound a lot worse than it is i was raised in a regular family went to high school i did have friends i did have hobbies but deep down i always found something about wrestling where i could escape real life and become somebody else that was probably the foundation for that who were some of the wrestlers that when you were younger you looked up to pretty much all of them because i had an idea it was weird because as a kid or a fan or a mark or you want to call it i always had that respect of i guess because i want i knew i wanted to do it i didn't know if i ever could but i have respected all of them much like you look at like professional athletes like i've never voted these guys even though i always wanted to do an nfl podcast i never wanted to criticize a third string quarterback because that dude still made it to the nfl yeah like what right do i have so everybody was but obviously uh on the top is flare and hogan because that was the ultimate dream match from my generation that you know peres and illustrated used to sell their magazines every month with those two on the the crack split cover of what happens if they ever meet yeah and strangely enough and this is going to seem like a homer or a front runner but i was a fan of shawn michaels when he was with the midnight rockers and awa maybe because we had a little bit of a like my face is kind of lined up a little bit but he was always so much more athletic even in that tag team that wasn't really pushed in awa uh i always looked at him i said man there's something about that guy and he seemed athletic and i always wanted to have that coordination athleticism and then i'll obviously have the ric flairs the dusty's the savages to go along with the hogans and um four horsemen who also met barry windham wasn't was somebody who i saw that just made a guy who'd moved so well uh the road warriors the rock and roll express i'm mentioning all these names too because it's it's weird throughout life like the rock and roll express especially those are two guys that i meet and once in a while i'll get a text from ricky morton to say hey man i just want to check in see how you're feeling i'm like holy god that's freaking morning that's freaking morton texted me i love that guy it seems it seems like the best coincidence that you're coming up in the wrestling industry you happen to be in philadelphia and there happens to be this great organization called ecw that's starting up well i'll go back a little bit further than that because twa was tri-state wrestling that was ecw before ecw that's why i initially went to wrestling school uh there was a guy joel goodheart who used to do a radio show and that's how i learned about the school and they were gonna have a rookies match and i was like well that's cool myself and derek domino were going to be in a rookie's match at the it wasn't was it the civic center there was another building near the civic center where twa would run their shows and the company went out of business they announced it on the radio show i had only about a month or so into wrestling school and my heart was broken yeah now mind you i actually before that i i got a job i quit my current job and i got a job at a car lot being a lot man a block from the wrestling school at frankfurt and tyson in philly just so i could sneak in before i went to wrestling school and then in between sessions to take bumps and try to figure out if i even knew what the hell i was doing um but that was tw i know of course ecw february 24th 1992 was i'll i'll go back actually debuted november 10th 1991. as the boy in the hood versus cry baby waldo your name was the boy in the hood well they didn't they put a mask on me because i wasn't ready to do anything and they didn't have a name for me so johnny hop body and tony stetson said he's the boy in the hood and that's what they called me that matches somewhere it's got to be somewhere we need to find this maybe you and i should do a watch along on that match geez that'd be incredible that's when i come to atlanta that's what we'll do yeah i'll be cringing laughing and crying a little bit all at the same time so then how did how did ecw come to be for you we technically had the sports bar was eastern championship wrestling february 24th like i said 1992. i the first match was myself against jimmy gianetti which i think they ripped me because they put us in a time limit draw like a 15 20 and i had no idea what i was doing so ginetti just beat me up for 20 minutes straight and then this guy came in jeff i forget his name hit me in the head as a shoot with a halliburton briefcase which was probably my first concussion in the business and that was it but i realized that my body wasn't good my work wasn't there and they were talking about getting tv and i was like i'm terrible i don't want anybody to see me like this on tv so it's kind of weird i had no clue about anything i wasn't smartened up but i was smart enough to know that i wasn't good and if anybody saw me on tv it would be embarrassing well you were smart enough to know what you didn't know from the sounds of it yes i was smart enough to know i was stupid that's pretty much what it was and you were thrown to the wolves and it was the sink or swim yeah i knew how to sell and bump and that's kind of carried me through 30 years so it was a good it was a good like uh test run of all that so that that was good your middle name is steven but who decided that your wrestling name would be stevie richards well with steve richards at first and i think um at the time jimmy gennady was one of the coaches jt smith was another one larry winters was another one they had told me think of a name of something and i said well you know i'd like to think of a name that's real because no one will ever turn around and say well who would make up a name like stevie richards like they you know back then though people it was a real thing that the business was still somewhat protected so it would be a big deal for somebody to be able to find you if they found out your name that's a whole different era that people don't understand i'm sure you do that hey it was a big deal for somebody to actually find out your real name and where you live and all that stuff sure it was a real task so i tried to do you know kind of a double double as we say in the business where my name's steve richards and okay cool no one ever turned around and said but what's your real name yeah you know when i found out that hulk hogan's real name was terry my heart was broken yeah me too i i've experienced that a lot kind of like uh who's uh trying to think of real names that are michael hickenbottom yeah that's a little bit that's okay but my rolling's michael's side guy guy yeah but hickenbottom's it's such a strange last name it is i want i never asked him what what uh ethnicity that is i try to think of like the worst like that there's one guy i'm thinking of as the the best like toughest wrestling name and i can't think of it but then his name makes him sound like he's a catholic preacher or something i'm like i like this guy before the end i don't think the cte kicked in now i'm sorry what do you think's the biggest thing that you learned from working with paul heyman just about everything and it's a combination paul tommy raven every single person i worked in ecw that paul was nice enough you know to have the veterans that brought in and kind of kind of taught a guy like me but paul paul had patience and paul had the talent this is why i don't understand why the promos on wwe aren't better and i know he's not involved paul could do me better than me i don't know if he ever been around paul paul could do everybody's gimmick for them wow so paul could cut the promo he needed in my voice and then he would have the patience because i was a nervous kid and i never i wasn't sure if what i was doing was even good and he would just give me a second and talk to me he would he would produce me he would ask me questions much like when i went to wwe vince russo for the short time we worked together he sat down and he kind of talked to me to get to know me and he could produce me that way and paul had a great talent for that did was your voice always raspy like this or did no no no i got a i got a vocal cord implant oh my gosh here's a little little easter egg hunt for everybody listen to some of my promos from ecw of the earlier the raven stuff or you know where i first came out with the half shirt and that was pre uh neck surgery pre-vocal cord implants and i had a much it probably got me heat that to have that voice so you turned someone else's vocal cords no no this there wasn't any it wasn't a transplant it was an implant it's a plastic box if i give them oh yeah yeah i definitely see the scars there this is the neck and that's here yeah is the vocal implant for anybody what was the cause of that well what happened was the initial thing was the terry funk guard rail thing that people had seen uh mate may 10 1997 so i'm trying to remember dates but this is like rain man this is incredible i could i could turn into him by the end of the show who knows i wish i knew the account cards i would have a better camera uh but the the guardrail thing really kind of messed me up for a while and i had some neck injuries and went to wcw those things continued came back to ecw and it hit a point in december when it was just like it was just bad there was a lot of a lot of numbness a lot of pins and needles a lot of stingers on regular bumps so i had neck surgery on an acf on c5667 on december 22nd 90th 1997. and i woke up and i was like man it must be just because they intubated me with the tube that my my voice is not really there yeah so about a week later they found out that they had paralyzed one of my vocal cords so about three months later they put the first one in in march of 98 then i had the second one put in when i was training with shane mcmahon for saturday night's main event he was training for a match against sean michaels and it's just over years and years of wear and tear and then the thing with shane who's jane's the real deal so it's a pretty rough thing to train with shane not that he tries to hurt you but he's a he's a ball so that's when i had the second implant put in from there and that was the um the ecw return thing where they showed that you know it's funny just a side note the way wwe had worked at the time they cut down the number of surgeries i had and they cut down the things in my life that i had talked about to joey in the interview because the number of surgeries were too much for somebody with at my level i had 19 throat and vocal cord surgery i was going up to um the mass general up in massachusetts every single week because they had to open the airway with many surgeries up until the bigger one where they put the implant in so it was ever almost every week multiple surgeries on my throne vocal cord so i i named off the 19 and i remember dusty says to me and it's not not on dusty he goes he goes listen they're not going to they're not going to go for that there was another thing about my brother dying of cancer and stuff because joey's talking to me and asking me where i've been and what's been going on and uh and he goes you got to knock that number down so that number you see in the ecw promo yeah is is it's different it's much lower it's like they gave me the number they told me how many surgeries i had which i had to laugh about it's so funny wow were you able to still speak during these 19 surgeries i was able to speak them but it was very very raspy and uh the first time after the next surgery i wasn't able to really speak for about three months up until the march surgery i was trying to do and that's why i started doing this that's why we talked about microphones before yeah yeah by recording i got about eight of them this is the best one the sure sm7b well i sound terrible in all of them so i don't know that's because you don't have real vocal cords anymore that's true i got to blame the doctor for that seriously when you retired in 1997 was that a legitimate retirement were you not playing to wrestle ever again it was it was sort of legitimate and now let me let me give you a little bit of context with that that all that whole period at a young age and this is where i give credit to the kids that are on tv today in wwe impact and aaw to have that kind of responsibility that kind of tv time to have the stress that they have in their life i probably had like a little bit less than that maybe on par and the injury kind of made me make all these mistakes one after the other leaving ecw with hardly any notice going to wcw out of nowhere going back to the gimmick that i had initially almost taking steps back and not having the awareness to know that that's what was happening and that's nothing on raven or bishop or anybody that's my i was offered a job and that was the spot i was told of yeah then going back to ecw i felt like i still i needed to make up the time that i or whatever past sins that i had made in ecw got injured almost instantly or the injury had gotten to a point and then i was done with the wrestling business after that for a short time i um went back to school for networking for computers for tech for all that stuff and then dabbled in the independence scene which turned into like four days a week at that time like with nwa and other local indies in the tri-state area it was crazy it was like almost wrestling more than that i did with wwe uh and i said i'm not going to do it i'm per i'm perfectly fine where i'm at i'm going to get college degrees i'm going to do all this stuff and then of course we're going to pull you back in you're not we're not done with you yet who was it that pulled you back in i i was talking to terry taylor and vince russo quite a bit and terry taylor gave me my job in wcw and oddly enough he gave me my job in in wwe i he they were worried about my neck but i was getting in better shape and they were watching me wrestle four nights a week and then he said and then i literally i'm not even kidding you i worked at community college in philadelphia my head a legitimate boss that was a mentor to me i remember his name jack demock he was a great guy and he said we're probably gonna offer you a full-time job you get free tuition you get benefits things i've never heard of of such a young age and nobody had graduated from college in my family yet so there's a little bit of prestige i was looking for there too so i literally said i can wrestle in the indies but this is my life right now and i can pursue a academic career and do all these other things and it i'm not even kidding you chris literally 10 seconds later the call camping and that changed everything it did it did and whether it be for the better or worse my wife was texting me i'm sorry i don't like to keep her waiting no that's okay yeah please reply to her she said have a good interview oh that's we'll tell her we are having a good interview he's very supportive um what's your wife's name krusty krusty kristy kristy yeah she actually had a podcast we were working on too and she's all right i'll tell you so low see this is rivet this is riveting stuff this is where it says chris says hello there you go so it's just a weird thing that that like when that happened i talked to my mentor my boss jack and i said i do have i this is like the worst timing of anything if this was at the end of my career and i had this opportunity which i thought it was the end but i said i have to see this through yeah i go i might i might be there six months and be gone i don't know what the what what the deal is up there it's a scary place yeah wwe and he said do what you have to do live out your dream he goes i'll always be available and we talked for probably a couple years after that point especially when i got started with uh my youtube channel was a tech channel and i used to send him the videos at first and get get feedback when i started that in 2007 but that was the beginning you know a guy signed my deal in june 1999 we started in august and then uh minnie and i had him i debuted on heat saving meanie from al snow and then we worked the program where we were trying to murder his dog with jumper cables so i went i went from academia to to try and kill animals on pay-per-view it took me a while to to figure out what what was like what the right to censor was all about and like what it was making fun of i didn't realize it was making fun of the ptc at the time which was trying to like censor everything that was going on on raw at the time who pitched you this idea for right to censor believe it or not is is this is funny i went from obscurity of working jacked and metal and once in a while on raw imitating doing the parodies so maybe that gave gave them the idea vince came up and pinched a pitch to me himself and i mind you outside of the time that i walked up to vince on my first day shook his hand and thanked him for the opportunity and he said let's have some fun and they didn't even ask me my name or anything and just walked away that's the next time that vince had talked to me so you have to imagine it's like wow and the interesting thing about the right to censor was i don't think it was supposed to be for the long term and i don't think it was supposed to turn him to what it did uh it was obviously supposed to be a political statement against the parent television council and bozell uh it was supposed to really be something of middle finger and fu to that but also at the same time it gave me the opportunity to really look at myself and have people look at me in a completely different light that i can i can talk and i can talk in this vein not just the silly comedy and the writer uh jamie mars who actually has a youtube channel jacob israel he was like basically right on the pulse of doing that and knowing that not only a political thing could last a month or two but it kind of dies out yeah but a cult a cult-like thing that gathers some some steam and he goes we have to turn and kind of twist it into more cult-like phrases and look into my eyes i'm doing this for your own good all these different things that create like a stockholm syndrome within those groups and stuff it's it was kind of fascinating he he brought a whole new layer to me thinking about promos whole new psychology to it so jamie jamie i have to thank him for that too was that the worst entrance music of all time i do let me ask you a question yes short answer is yes but uh yeah and i would get migraines sometimes like please just to have us run out without the music let me ask you a question yeah do you think if the right to center was on tv today even maybe even strictly on the nostalgia do you think it would get shared now i don't think it would get cheered because i think it would you guys would be booked as heels i i don't think with the pg product they would put out the right to censor at all not in wwe not currently well the reason why they did it and they really ran with it was because the talent was beating themselves up way too much so i think there was a protection factor and also to peel uh the product intensity back the violence excuse me the violence that meant when you did see it you appreciated it or when it was done to me you really appreciated it yeah so like they were smart to continue to run with that and maybe give guys a little bit more of a reset to not feel like they have to keep going further and further and further well it definitely got you and everybody in right to censor over as like mega heals like i actually i had a friend i would i would go over to his house to watch raw and when you guys came out he would mute the tv because your entrance theme was so annoying oh my goodness oh that's that that's that's that's a compliment i don't know i don't think offense to that at all that's that is a compliment he didn't switch the channel so that makes me you know i would mute it till you guys got in the ring and be like oh geez that annoying beeping is finally over you can even mute my promo as long as you're still tuning in for that quarter hour let me ask you the question in this context if the right to censor music hit at the royal rumble what'd it get see that's a difference oh mega pop of course huge pop mega probably man i would i would say that the rumble's cancelled that would be number one it's not harry potter cancel go home huge pop for stevie richard stephen richards coming out to the right to censor music and then i imagine on your way down to the ring for the royal rumble you would do something heelish and the crowd would then turn on you absolutely the led the led panels would just come and try to fall on me yeah it was today if there's people there it'd be different how long how long did you think the right to sensor gimmick was going to last interesting question because there's a lot of things i think that i've done that had had more legs and i i look at this in the vein of getting baby faces over i don't look at it as a run of getting myself over the heels are strictly there to really in the end get baby faces over we could have gotten a lot more baby faces over it fell a lot longer than the year because we were out there so much on everything and it was really only about a year maybe a year and a couple months i think it could have had a really good two-year run where we could have figured out how to get godfather back from the good father how to get val back to a porn star if we could do it politically obviously with ads and stuff you know the advertisers but that's what i mean how could we get these character even if nothing was done with me and i was still a heel i got everything i needed off the rub from everybody else yeah but how could we i think we could have got another year just to springboard everybody into a different a different position are you hopeful that you could have a royal rumble return at some point no not really i mean it that people ask me that all the time people even ask me if i'm retired and i i guess i am because i don't actively wrestle and i always think about like if i was in a royal rumble i would politic so very hard to get out of there and the quickest like to beat santino's record and the bushwhackers because even in that vein like i would have to be tv ready that's another thing too no matter what if somebody called me tomorrow and i was just doing a podcast with my buddy bin hameen for the locker room i i said if somebody called me now and said be on tv monday i would say no not because of my pride of no you don't you know what i mean you got to do something no i'd be like i have to get in a certain type of condition yeah i have to look a certain way so i'd have to tan and i would also have to get into a ring and roll around because the last thing i want to do is embarrass myself and embarrass the product yeah going out there so even if it's a royal rumble thing i'd really like to have a month's notice so you know i can get in shape even if just get thrown over the top rope at least the novelty of a guy who looks 50 or however many years old they're like he's still taking care of himself and it's good to see yeah every wrestling story is a tragedy yeah oh i mean look at again look how great you look for being a 49 i saw chris masters i don't know if you want to i was going to work i was going to wear sleeveless shirt and i saw his interview and i said i thought about wearing a hoodie after that well i'm now that you bring chris masters up again let's talk about that because by segwaying unintentionally i like that very nice yeah he i don't know if everybody knows this but in his debut match he broke your nose i know it you looked pretty pissed off well i'm going to tell if i i listened or i watched what chris had said and i had no idea he had food poisoning and i wish to god he would have told me because i would have for everything of everybody hyping him up that day and i'll i'll i'll put the heat on people like arn anderson other people that might have been ripping them but at the same time this kid was so like he told you this is the guy who snuck into the outer head pond he he's working around his idols and its debut after these vignettes and he gets to wrestle on bra live yeah if you if you didn't have food poisoning your stomach will be turned in no matter what so i wish i knew that because i would have calmed them down because quite frankly people were going up to them and saying man it's your only chance this is the only chance you have to make good man you better not [ __ ] it up and better not do that you need so i wish i could have countered that i wasn't really aware so we went out there and it happened with the with the polish hammer first of all i mean that's probably even counting jbl that's about the hardest i've ever been hit because it's forearms right to the the whole face so i had the broken orbital bone my nose which is still a little bit over was literally over my eye like it was that much pushed over and uh my all my teeth here needed to have like root canals and a couple veneers and crowns stuff like that so a lot of stuff can happen now what happened was that when i i mean thank god too like it's really weird how you're mentally uh like he said he had to be ready for that match no matter what he couldn't take the day off so my instincts somehow knew because i wasn't with a dude i was out i i could have just stayed there but i got up and fed for the full nelson for the master lock i didn't know where i was and even the pickup thing i could have blew my knees out or twisted my ankle but my body or reflex or just knowing that's what i had to do it's i'm amazed at a lot of wrestlers that can finish matches not talking about i'm talking about him much like triple h blows his quad and tells jericho to put him in the walls of jericho dude that's whatever you say about that dude that's uh that's that's that's beyond professional that's almost like you're a little crazy that one and kurt angle getting concussed when the table the announce table broke too early and he finished the match and has no recollection of finishing the match yeah we wrestlers are a strange breed but um here here's how we put humor on stuff too how's this so i am i am visibly upset i'm not upset like with chris like anything's gonna happen or i'm not like what are you gonna do at this point yeah i mean obviously all i can think about too is i feel bad for this kid because i hope they just don't take them off tv because it's a big debut but i'm stomping and kind of like blood is pouring out i mean gushing out of my mouth out of my nose out of one of my eyes it was it was ugly i walk like really mad blood all over me in front of the monitors here the chairs are here and i'm like this and i turn i go excuse me has anybody seen chris and like molly holly just went like that and i said thank you and i stomped off and i went up to chris and i saw him and he was like if he wasn't crying or he wasn't crying before i got there he was on the verge and i walked up and i go i only have one question for you how are your hands that was it yeah i asked him if he was okay oh my god so that was just trying to bring some kind and also they were watching the office was watching me yeah and testing me and testing him and i go you didn't mean to do it and he goes i'm so sorry to go i forgive you it's okay i go you know i just don't and i said don't let these people over here see you sell like this i go we're having a conversation like man apologize shake my hand i accept your apology shook his hand he hugged me and then of course like he told you to this day every time we even took a joke picture and an outdoor thing with me leaning into it and what can you do man i mean and chris is one of the good guys in the business one he's one of the really good guys in the business um one thing that hurt me a little bit for him was mary i know he was talking about when he came back and he was leaner and there was a lot of people talking and speculating and i remember they ripped them on tv with hunter and sean saying he was like oh maybe i'll write a book and he was like oh what's that how to lose 40 pounds in six weeks or something and yeah i was like that's really dude that's not a good thing to say to a dude just came back and he's a good guy i don't i don't you know he's one of the few that like i wish i could talk to from time to time to see how he's doing and really do care about a a person outside the ring like chris he's such a good guy you guys met before you entered well with so when we're off here i'll connect you guys and then you can you know make good or do whatever you need to do i do hate him because he looks better but well we all hate him he's the masterpiece so it was right to the hospital for you after that apology i'm guessing no i actually drove i couldn't fly because of the altitude and the blood clotting stuff so i drove 357 miles from uh penn state to connecticut where i lived and dude when i dropped i mean we go through the pocono mountains and everything when i dropped that hertz rental off it looked like someone got murdered it was it was brown leather on a like a shoe oh my but all i could do was this and the steera and i look and it looked and i reached over with the gps when they used to have gps's on top of the dash dude you got hand prints bloody hand prints like blood on the seat i mean it's just like i was like i was like that when i when i rented it yeah yeah i'm guessing you didn't get your damage deposit back no they didn't do anything surprisingly but if i scratched if i just touched the the rear trunk with my bag loading it i could charge 100 bucks so yeah that's the way it works i don't miss traveling then you went to the hospital after that what i went to the gym i worked out when i when i got home it was like 5 am and i was like i can't sleep so i'm going to go to the gym so now you know there's a there's two cups on the on the elliptical there's one cup from my thing and another cup from when my nose and i yeah it was really interesting time if you're a gym goer in connecticut or philadelphia during those times you're probably like i remember this maniac who is he but i it's the only it's a weird thing like i said wrestlers are crazy it was the only thing that i could do to feel in control at that particular point and of course i went to the doctor and got checked into the hospital and all that stuff after that jeez that is a hell of a story that might be one of the best stories we've ever heard on this show i'm not i'm telling hopefully i'm telling this from a self-deprecating viewpoint oh for sure you are okay but yeah all of us are going you are insane i am but you remember what i said though never miss a workout i don't want to go back to being 262 with a 44 inch waist there's no excuse and and that's i've changed now i mean i've no two a days stuff like that no overdoing it i'm really trying to be a little bit more efficient and effective rather than working out just for the sake of doing it you know we talked about right to censor but i'm i'm curious if more people know you from that or know you from the blue world order um you know what's funny there's they say right to censor most people won't recognize me because i have long hair and now i have a beard but a lot of people recently for some reason dr stevie and i know we'll get to that but dr stevie and then there's some people that started discover stevie night heat from watching the network so it's kind of cool that these little things that i made become like underground kind of niche stuff yeah people like oh i didn't know this existed and they're kind of more into it than other stuff it's crazy to look at your career because you've wrestled everywhere ecw wcw wwe tna ring of honor you know you've literally been everywhere i've been i'll tell you and i can't even tell you how how these things happened just showing i mean just showing up the ecw obviously back then every single night bag in hand begging to get choked slam 10 10 times by 9-1-1 or whatever whatever i could do to be there because showing up is probably half of the deal right there i don't know if that's the way it works now but i hope it does to some extent where if you're just there and you're willing to help and you're willing to be seen somebody in wrestling is always going to screw up somebody in wrestling is always going to know show and that's when i would most times step in and get opportunity uh with places like tna i just told terry taylor after i got released i go you know what i should be i'd like to be dr stevie i'd love to be a business therapist i love to erase the name stevie richards because all i've been doing is putting people over that name means nothing let me do a new character and then he pitched it to russo russo pitched it to jared i guess and they brought me in um but a lot of different stuff was just me doing stuff because i wanted to work not because i was trying to like because i was so smart i was navigating these political water shark infested waters i was like i just want to do something cool and have fun and then if i'm working with gold dust or spike dudley on heat we feel like we have an angle yeah how snow and coach would be involved and all these different things could happen from that and who cares if like nobody ever watches it we're we're feeling like our bumps we're feeling like our matches the physicality which is the bottom match the top match hurts just the same for most people so so that's what it was to give kind of like those things a little bit more meaning at the time gangrel said something to me when i interviewed him recently and he said that during the attitude era everyone had a storyline and it's so true when you think about what you were doing you you had a story line no matter where you were on the card no matter you were on heat or metal or jacked you had something that was progressing your story along it's funny because you know gangrel is a great guy and a hell of a worker and such a physical worker and i think he could be on tv today you that's another thing you you see the ring of fire with the music everybody instantly recognizes it it's really one of those characters like him and gold dust that stand the test of time but yeah i mean think about it you could plug a gangrel in to work the rock one week on raw then gangrel could work x-pock which they had a great program then you could have you know steve blackman working billy gunn and steve blackmon work in austin or they you get everybody seemed to be just in different spots not in hierarchy it was really i mean it was a great time to watch and a great time for the boys to feel like their work was being like progressed it kind of feels like aew does that a little bit like they'll have guys from all different parts of the card wrestling each other which maybe is a callback to that era i hope so i i heard this week especially as we're recording this because i watch it from time to time i heard this week was probably the best episode that they they feel like they're getting their legs underneath them from a storyline standpoint i don't know i have to watch it but that's what i heard with the guys i podcast with well i mean which is great because aew's done more shows without a crowd than they ever did with crowds with full arenas so if they're getting their footing now whenever we can have full crowds again i think you know things really take off from there yeah i hope so they're lucky to be in florida and they'd like to have the infrastructure that with the jacksonville jaguars and everything and use that use that as much as you can why do you think i mean you're an ecw original why do you think that wwe's version of ecw didn't work out that can be said for a lot of things uh that vince mcmahon didn't create i think it's pretty obvious i mean he he protects his brand which is you can't blame anybody for that but i feel like i've heard like just right in front of me like you know that he was a star in that other place and that was almost a kiss of death i was lucky because i was never i was kind of up there but i was never known to the casuals or to maybe his eyes as a top guy from there which i think almost was a benefit to be sort of unknown but yeah i don't know what happened with that the wwe version of ecw had a different look i loved coming through the crowd on the entrance thing instead of a ramp um obviously was a vehicle i think the whole thing was a vehicle for punk and if that was the result that they wanted out of that they made their money back on the investment and what i heard from joey styles one time i think it was joey or somebody within the office that ecw was the most profitable brand of all three because of the investment in it and then the return you didn't have to put as much money into ecw plus the rise and fall dvd was the top one or even the top five for how many years yeah that was a cash cow right there the problem was it wasn't ecw so to even call it ecw just i mean i was a huge ecw fan to call it ecw didn't feel right because it wasn't it wasn't easy w it wasn't but it i'll back up i don't know if you've ever interviewed tommy tommy yes i've interviewed tommy a few times tommy told you the story that like i remember one night stan before when they announced it was relaunching he was in touch with shane mcmahon and this was around the time i believe that we were doing the training too at in stanford because dreamer was in on those training sessions taking half the beating as well as maybe from shane uh but but dreamer told me and rob had talked about it too rob van dam that it was supposed to be like all ecw even the agents i think jerry lim was supposed to i mean it was all supposed to be kind of encapsulated in his own brand and it did start out where we were doing house shows i think the first one was racine wisconsin i wrestled house snow and it was a very much an east ecw style crowd and i think that's what we were talking about maybe even one building where it looked like the ecw arena for tv you know how things happen it gets in different people's hands and then it was out of control and i think tommy was very very hurt by that because he was in the office but they they weren't letting him have the vision that him and paul wanted to have well tommy told me i think this is very public knowledge that vince mcmahon was helping paul heyman like ensure that ecw was going to stay in business for a while yes i mean we we didn't know it at the time because we were pumped up to think they were the enemy although deep down i made visits to stanford while i was with the company and i was friends with vince russo i would talk to vince russo all the time uh so it's the yeah i mean but to paul's credit and to his defense in some ways that's what was needed to motivate us if we were working what would people do if we would like within the locker room if wwe was funding us and he'd been telling us they're the enemy all along yeah and that we needed to make our own names maybe we maybe half of the guys would have went up there and been turned into a joke gimmick and undone all the stuff that paul had had produced they kind of did it anyway yeah those guys were going up there so sad to see like what happened mike awesome was dominant in ecw and then he goes to wcw and wwe and it's like oh that's not that's not even the same guy yeah and and he's not around anymore so that's i mean it's sad he was a nice enough guy whenever i met him he's right not with for his size much like uh this or also rest in peace to him yeah just as gentle as can be and nice and it cool two cool guys at least to me they were yeah i i feel like you could have with the momentum you had in ecw they really could have utilized you in a mid mid card like or even higher tier in wwe and i feel like and you've said it many times you're just kind of there to put people over yeah and i wasn't even given the opportunity to do that it was actually a joke when like joey joey wasn't making a mean joke but he was like you know it was like months down the line i was there for the first two or three weeks and then you didn't see me and i wasn't hurt it was like joey's like stevie richards has so much a little bit of trouble getting out of the gate hearing the new ecw it's like well i'm not getting booked but yeah i was just a guy i was actually i was in a good spot i think because i was attached to punk so many times yeah we had some matches that i i feel like really in a way carried that brand uh and if i was on the losing end of all those like i said if it was a vehicle to get punk over to the next level i'm fine with having a part with that now if you make me into nothing and i'm just a guy that always loses in the really good competitive matches with punk i believe it only lessens him over time yeah why is he having so much trouble beating this guy that everybody beats yeah do you wear being the 21-time hardcore champion as a badge of honor no because i was a 22 time don't let raven fool you propaganda i'm not going to get into this fight again this guy has been going this is like the longest running angle ever hey you know and raven texts me like a few months ago because i said something on a podcast where i said he was really he was telling the magazine guys or the web whoever the guys were before that book came out he was like he was we were all keeping track it was fun yeah me stasiac raven crash uh spike we're just keeping track and it turned into like a friendly rib back and forth in the locker room but i we were looking and i was like wow i'm you know i'm up there and then raven was like no no i had it more than you and then it was just like whatever i had he had one more so he he took one away and called himself first he called himself the 23 time then somehow he became they said no you wanted 22. oh that means stevie wanted 21. so i was just like but that's that's that that's part of what i miss even though scotty will probably text me when he sees this and be like oh god not again i'm like but that's the fun of at least all at least i'll know he's okay and i'll get a text from him but what did you what did you think about them bringing in the 24 7 championship oh that was a i mean that was one the the people were in the crowd too and mick foley came out with it and they thought it was going to be the hardcore title right yeah and 24 7 and it was a it was disappointment i mean it got a lot of cross-promotion with gronk with bad bunny and other things but the hardcore title was more about that now now the thing that i didn't like about the 24 7 and it is a safety concern is everybody's getting schoolboy'd yeah it just exposes it i mean if you can add some element of getting hit with some kind of plunder and i know they can't really do that with the concussions yeah but you can hit someone in the back with a cookie sheet and they can take a back bump and you can cover them yeah and that would also be a much cooler sports center clip if gronk's getting hit in the back with a cookie sheet rather than well he didn't want to fall off the balcony so i don't know if he would take the cookies vince vince showed him how to fall off the balcony that was so crazy my favorite vince mcmahon um gesture of all time and whether he's fallen off the balcony whether he's um supposedly allegedly belt squatting a thousand pounds i'll i'll debate that till the end of time or the roddy piper phone call at the beginning of the a e documentary which was i won't go into the kind of the the you know the the verbal thing but at the end i love when he goes that's a vince mcmahon see god damn it you can do it but if watch vince any time he shows off it's like that old like look i just did it you know or there it is well what did you learn from all your time working with vince um i learned a lot i learned a lot about myself after the fact and that to be hyper critical which i think everybody should look at themselves in a very critical way in order to get better i made a lot of mistakes as far as uh not not from a personal level more from a business level of maybe i could have taken it even more serious i could have maybe just quietly done stuff instead of in my way sometimes standing up for my own business was talking to vince which my timing usually was at the worst possible time which i had no idea you don't know until you're actually up there talking to him so it's a crap shoot um but a lot of different things now from the other side i always made myself available so when you didn't see me on tv i was in ovw when you didn't see me on tv i was still working house shoes when you didn't even see me on tv and didn't see me on house shows i was calling johnny ace where do you need me what do you need me to do i moved to connecticut to make myself more available for the company so maybe i could have did more there now then now you might look at that man man you did a ton i never look at it that way i always look at like i could have done so many things maybe a little bit differently maybe gone a little further maybe stuck with a little bit more maybe here's an interesting thing maybe ask for my release from the company years earlier rather than living in the bubble and getting my guarantee and just being comfortable maybe if i left four years earlier instead of saying staying almost 10 or maybe if i cut that in half went to tna when they were starting up made my name in tna then and then i had the opportunity to go back to wwe under a different look from vince that's what's happening a lot i think in most companies and to their credit you're getting a check you're working it's very scary to have your own business and brand trust me 13 years after being released from wwe i'm still waking up every day like okay okay what's next what do i do even though i have this stuff set up yeah i'm sure you do the same thing as your own business man you can definitely worry about it yeah yeah maybe tell people a little bit about what what it is that you are doing now with stevie richards fitness sure sure and i'll tell you an interesting little fact of how funny things work out yeah apparently i have stephen richards fitness it's a resistance band training program there's a 12 and 16 week programs uh like i said i i like to really cater to beginners and people resetting or rehabbing injuries things that i had to deal with in my career in life there's also fall follow-along workout videos that you can buy but i initially got into the youtube game back in 2007. i had a youtube channel i also had a podcast that was mainly technology and it it just got no traction okay and i enjoyed doing it and i did it under my real name because i didn't want the crutch of wrestling i wanted to see if i was going to be good enough on my own so over time it did kind of gain a little traction but what happened is after i got released i went to tna i tried getting into fitness personal training uh creating fitness content doing all that kind of stuff i even had an in-person kind of personal training business at my friend's gym i got new clients and i was this is coming off wwe tv currently being on tna and nobody and i was in really like tv shape yeah and nobody wanted to work out me nobody wanted to train me no one wanted to pay me i tried that for a couple of years it didn't work out then i created these programs in 2016. the first one being the 12-week it sold one copy in one year and i make the joke but i don't think i'm joking it was probably somebody that knew me and just felt sorry for me and there's nothing wrong with the program this is what i was doing when i couldn't get to the gym when i was injured and couldn't lift weights um even at the flight delays if i wanted to get a workout and i knew i had to land put my gear on in the car and go right to the ring for the first match yeah i still got my workout in using the resistance band so this is like 20 years in the making since i since i was in wwe uh so i had to re-toilet i had to do different things then i went into a realm which is what we all do like we all want to be all things to all people you have a you have a youtube channel where you interview people about their wrestling careers and their lives if you turned around and just started putting up cooking videos that didn't have the wrestler in it that you weren't yeah we're gonna work out together and have fun and talk and do stuff like that but if i was trying to be a powerlifting guy i was trying to be a bodybuilding guy i was trying to be the advanced guy the intermediate guy and then this this beginner guy you had my wife a niche is what you're saying yes and then my wife just turned around at me and said what's wrong with being the resistance band guy and at first you're like well i'm so much more than that no i do my vince mcmahon walk um but really what it comes down to is you need to be defined by people need to know what you are it is kind of a label it is kind of stereotyped it is kind of staying in your lane once i did that and i started focusing and i started really testing things like i told you about the powerband program it started to work because now people were like oh okay i get it i'm just starting out because god and that can't be a luke hawks i can't be a ct fletcher i can't be a mark bell but it can be me yeah and that really is me and then it started to build up and i'm not on tv and i'm not wrestling full-time for anybody on tv or even part-time and it started to gain traction so the site's been up since then the interesting thing is chris that a natural progression was the band program and then my wife gave me permission to turn our entire apartment into a home gym this is pretty pandemic like two or three years before that and i got an affiliate model with forrest usa with diamondback fitness with other fitness companies and i test home gym equipment so the people that do the band programs eventually say i want to start lifting weights what but i don't want to go to the gym because i'm still not confident enough so it was weird how it all worked out because i had no idea that these things would even line up yeah whatever you believe in i believe in god i believe in what i believe if you believe in serendipity or in the universe it's just weird how these things come together not when you want them to when they're supposed to and then this all takes off i'm sure with kovid and everybody working from working out from home yeah it's been i didn't want it to be successful because of this but both successful also in spite of this exactly i'm really inspired by people that actually have taken the initiative to know that man if i buy this it's expensive but it's like the buy ones cry once thing and they know i'm not going back to the gym and whoever makes the decisions is not going to decide whether i work out or excuse me stay in shape or what i do because it is right there it's in my garage it's in my basement it's in a spare bedroom and that's the coolest thing when they said it's because i watch your video and it's like you're you you are honest about it because not everything is great i'm not going to be like you know a shill for something but you get to a point i'm sure you know like you with the rich while you still got that sponsorship i'm trying to plug it yeah and then the code is awesome there you go but you don't have to you don't have to the best feeling in the world is when you don't have to lie to people and you convert sales at the same time yeah i i i told you before when i started before i was wrestling and i was young i wasn't trying to be a phony or be somebody that i wasn't but i wasn't comfortable with who i was and i didn't know if people would ever accept me for me just being the goof that i am yeah but these things that i have and the things that i talk about and even before i get on with you it's just a little side note i have the same social anxiety of meeting new people and talking to new people and i was nervous about being on here with you i watch your stuff and i i didn't logically have a reason but you're somebody new that i'm meeting and i'm hoping that we can get along and we can talk and that you like it and that you like what's what this is going to be when you upload it very natural thing this has been an amazing conversation and i think the big takeaway from everything you just said there is you've been authentically you your whole career in in the wrestling ring and now with what you with what you're doing in fitness sometimes to a dutch maybe but that's also why you've been so successful i i am success is measured different ways i've been such an immensely blessed person to have success and people around me that support me whether i'm successful or not and there's no it sounds so cliche to say there's no such thing as failures but all the failures that i had are in the same category space that i'm having success and i just didn't find what you said i didn't find my niche not my niche in my i didn't find where i could be comfortable and people could be comfortable with me and it takes time yeah by the way i'm going to link up to your youtube channel down below so people can subscribe to you if they're watching this right now so everybody who's watching this can go over and subscribe to stevie's channel i'm going to buy that ridge wallet now so we can support each other what what is your definition of success i would say i mean financial is one thing but there's a lot of people that have a lot of money that are miserable i would say more fulfillment like when you wake up in the beginning of the day you have an idea what you want to do yeah and then if you can progress even just this much yeah like this thing is a super positive thing talking to you and spending time and hopefully people getting to know me a little bit better it's a pretty awesome thing so if nothing good happens for the rest of the day i'm okay but i got up and worked out so that's that's a mini success right there yeah then i served others i was there to help my wife even get something ready before she went to work i feed my cats i do things i i see somebody having trouble at walmart today because they're a little short trying to reach the top shelf and i ask and i have the ability to help it sounds so deeply cliche or anything but just at that moment i was able to kind of give that little person a little bit of help and a point of frustration yeah and then just walk away and they'd say thank you so you're welcome and roth it's celebrating these little wins in every day and i i think that if you win the morning you'll win the day and if you win enough days in the week you win the week and then if you win the weeks you win the month and then it just keeps going on from there here's the trick and i do it all the time i'm mf myself all the time it's okay to have bad days it's got to be okay to have bad days because you won't even be able to recognize what the right but was it a bad day or was it a bad five minutes 20 minutes bad hour you know and i think that's the big thing that too many people will focus on the tiny little piece of their day and not realize they have 23 and a half more hours to figure stuff out you should start a motivational channel that could be a collaboration that we'll do here me we'll make this happen i've really enjoyed this thank you so much same here thank you i appreciate the opportunity it's a the only thing i regret is that you and i to some capacity didn't hook up together sooner to kind of just be us and talk and get to know each other no it was meant to be at this exact moment on this exact day vince russo was the one who connected us together so big thank you to him and you know stevie i end every interview talking about gratitude so i'm curious what are three things in your life that you're grateful for right now i've said it before i'm grateful well i'm grateful for my health because i did everything in my power in my wrestling career to not have my health so i'm very grateful to that i'm grateful for the people that i love and care that love and care about me talking about my wife my friends people that i'm close to even people that you know come across and they put me in a more positive you know frame of mind per day you being one of those people right now oh thank you and you know on a belief i'm grateful for my faith i'm grateful to still have my faith today when it's tough in this society it can be whatever faith you want it to be i always preface with that or no faith at all but it's a very powerful thing to have and as things become tougher and tougher in life in society in this world having that makes you act completely differently than if you lose it all does that make sense makes total sense what a great way to end this my goodness thank god i always i was i wasn't sure there for a second i have thoroughly enjoyed this conversation thank you so much thank you man i appreciate it you

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Id: 5zp0Dg7MNlw

Length: 72min 18sec (4338 seconds)

Published: Thu May 13 2021