Steven Universe is Garbage and Here's Why
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Channel: Lily & Mikaila Orchard
Views: 5,997,930
Rating: 3.8586252 out of 5
Keywords: Lily Orchard, Steven Universe, Cartoon Network
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Length: 127min 13sec (7633 seconds)
Published: Mon Sep 24 2018
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49 minutes in... I mean, yeah.
I couldn't be arsed to watch 45 minutes of someone complaining about shit the show's been doing since Gem Glow the last time a video like this came up; what makes this person think I'm going to sit through two goddamn hours of it
I just got 25 minutes in and found the arguments weak so far
Saying Rebecca should reformat the show for how CN is choosing to release it dumb. Lily admits those who watch it without the hiatuses finds it paced well, and ultimately they’re the final audience for the show.
It’s fair that putting the whole show through steven’s eyes kinda sucks but it doesn’t bother me that much
They have a good point about complicating the dynamic between pink and pearl with their master-servant relationship but considering there’s at least one more season it’ll undoubtedly get more complicated
steven’s progression just looks like it was a progression not him becoming an apologist. If you don’t agree with the moral stance of the show (“all life is worth protecting”) that’s one thing but it has one it’s consistently headed towards
The critique of amethyst’s development made me stop watching because it doesn’t make sense. She freaks out at pearl for making off hand remarks about the kindergarten and making her feel inherently bad and pearl apologizes. She feels inadequate with the slinker because she’s judged for how she’s capricious and doesn’t reflect on herself and ends up learning to do so. Before jasper appears she’s fine with herself but jasper creates insecurities that fusing with Steven resolves. Then meeting other amethysts makes her feel more normal in her humor and uniqueness.
I see it all as unique issues arises under the broad theme of insecurities that do get resolved, not that they never will. The critique of lily not acknowledging subtle development is fair, but this didn’t even seem that subtle to me
i've since watched the video fully and reached the conclusions i expected to.
she makes many good points regarding themes and messages. i agree a lot with her ideas of the Diamonds being a bit too comfy right now, but I'm not dropping the show or anything, as we don't know what we're going to DO with the Diamonds yet. I don't know if they're going to become borderline main characters or just get dropped after betraying the Crystal Gems.
But the points htemselves are still sound. Animation? Who gives a fuck really, but factually correct. LGBT representation? Solid all around, Garnet is a way to bypass censors. Unintentional but still hurtful racism due to white ignorance? Also yes.
Her analysis of characters - namely Rose Quartz, Lapis, and Pearl - are all fucking terrible and if I were to make a rebuttal as I initially said I'd target the horrific mangling of characters. Lapis' trauma in the mirror, for example, isn't even given a PASSING MENTION, in spite of that fact it is of the UTMOST importance to her character. Furthermore, Pink Diamond's "responsibilities" as a diamond are something Lily says she ran away from. Her "responsibilities" amounted to little more than genocide and enforcing a caste system as Lily herself points out about the Diamonds. How is abandoning these shitty responsibilities ANYTHING but a good thing? How is that not moral? She fails to realize the actual reality of Rose's story because she doesn't RECONTEXTUALIZE what she knows with what she has found out, and seems to COMPLETELY DISREGARD Pearl's story because she was unreliable in the past, ignoring the multitude of reasons to believe she's telling the truth. Cathartic release after being unable to for so long; the lack of stylistic liberties such as the shadow puppets present in Garnets incorrect backstories; utmost consistency with facts and even tries to paint Pink as bad for the Zoo - a sentiment I shared - NOT EVEN REALIZING BLUE DIAMOND IS THE ONE WHO MADE AND POPULATED IT.
It's like someone watched A Single Pale Rose and NOTHING after it and didn't even attempt to adjust their now firmly made views. As someone who has watched her other videos, I can also state there are MANY contradictions. Bismuths ideology for example is impractical becuase it won't actually work. She plans to brute force a problem versus those who are FAR stronger than her (the Crystal Gems cannot even come CLOSE to defeating two Diamonds) and the delicate nature of a caste system AND the adoration the Diamonds have. The Homeworld wouldn't take it lightly; they'd be mad their Diamonds are gone, a fact proven by the existence of Jasper, who embodies Homeworld in the present day despite how ugly it may be. Lily has made videos on the topics of brute forcing problems being bad loosely, so while she DOES NOT DIRECTLY say (to my memory) that brute force conflicts are bad, she talks about how problems that can be solved with brute force and shows an understanding of the concept. Yet fails to apply it to Bismuth in this scenario, when her ideas are literally just "I want to try to kill people with all the power when I have none and my plan is a glorified knife". You will NOT win, and if you somehow do succeed, the corrupt general public will be against you because they're brainwashed by the fascism.
This video means well, but comes across as "Rebecca might end up justifying space Nazis which is horrible and to convey this point I will falsely drag everything ELSE through the mud and the show isn't actually even over yet so we don't know how the Diamonds end. They could be shattered by the CGs or betray them and then get the rebellion I want, but I'm going to make this video far too preemptively and release it and expect people to take my shitty character analysis seriously."
If this was JUST a talk on the problems of her themes and messages, nobody would have a real problem with it.
edit: nevermind lily is a pedophile remove this mods i beg you
Not saying anything bad about anyone's opinions, but there seems to be a large influx of SU hate videos recently, especially after Robobuddies.
I disagree with some very very few points (I have the biggest soft spot for Mindful Education and Stevonnie), but overall I LOVED EVERY SINGLE SECOND.
There are a lot of parts where she's not wrong I just don't care that much about the issues she brings up, but the one point she addresses that really does bother me a lot is all the uncomfortable implications the show is making and just not addressing.
The Diamonds rule over a horrific dictatorship that keeps lesser gems as slaves and outright murders "impure" gems in cold blood. They kill any gem that goes against their personal world view. Ruby and Sapphire had to flee because their relationship and fusion was seen as degeneracy. They colonize worlds and suck them dry for resources. They butchered and stitched together body parts in an attempt to make a weapon of mass destruction. They attempted to murder an entire planets worth of life to stop what seemed to be a small rebellion including murdering their own soldiers. They've attempted to kill Steven's family multiple times without a single thought. They only stopped trying because Steven was able to prove to them that he/Rose was Pink Diamond.
So why are we suddenly trying to redeem them like they're not horrific monsters? Because they're really really sad over Pink Diamond being shattered? Even if you want to ignore how they draw a perfect parallel to Nazis it doesn't change the atrocious things the show has shown they've done or at the very least authorized by their leadership.
This really isn't okay and it has honestly made the show incredibly uncomfortable for me to watch. It's fine to want to show them as having sympathetic motivations, but that should have at the very least been the line. They should have stayed as villains to overcome and defeat. Maybe feel a little sorry for them before you remember that they cut gems up and sewed their body parts together into a horrific monster that literal tries to tear itself apart in agony of its own existence.
I did a little research into who "Lily Peet" was, and turns out, they're a pretty goddamn terrible person.
I mean we're talking an intolerant, bigoted, hypocrite with pedophilic/zoophilic tendencies.
They are honestly the most despicable internet person with a sizeable following I have ever had the displeasure of encountering.
Lily references the same few shows and video games way too often but I do appreciate learning about the morality of The Old Republic.