Small Planes Over Big Oceans (ETOPS Explained)

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Sorta related to the passenger recovery thing. On 9/11, the American airspace closed and 38 planes had to land in a tiny town in Newfoundland, Canada called Gander. The towns population doubled overnight and all ~9000 passengers had to stay there for 5 days. Because of this, Gander now has a piece of the World Trade Center, the only place outside of the USA that has one. There's also a musical about the whole thing called Come From Away that's really good.

Edit: I was wrong about Gander being the only place outside of the USA with a piece of the World Trade Center, it's not.

👍︎︎ 32 👤︎︎ u/unostriker 📅︎︎ May 09 2017 đź—«︎ replies

Engines

Turn

Or

Passengers

Swim

👍︎︎ 67 👤︎︎ u/Tortellion 📅︎︎ May 09 2017 đź—«︎ replies

At 6:55 "this plane can fly anywhere on earth except directly over the south pole"

I KNEW IT!! IT'S FLAT ISN'T IT!!

👍︎︎ 35 👤︎︎ u/nicethingyoucanthave 📅︎︎ May 09 2017 đź—«︎ replies

Man, I sure do love me some aviation related videos.

👍︎︎ 10 👤︎︎ u/[deleted] 📅︎︎ May 09 2017 đź—«︎ replies

Is the regulation the same for non-US based airlines? The FAA does not regulate the world, no?

👍︎︎ 9 👤︎︎ u/[deleted] 📅︎︎ May 09 2017 đź—«︎ replies

I might have missed this detail in the video, but how exactly do planes get the ETOPS license? What has changed that results in fewer potential engine failures? The general answer is obviously technology, but it would be nice to understand how the airplanes of today are so much more reliable in terms of engine reliability than older planes. The video does touch on how jet engines are significantly less likely to fail than piston engines, but why is that? And did ETOPS came to be because a shift in the perception of the safety of jet engines vs. piston engines, or because jet engines were theoretically constructed to be more durable and reliable than piston engines?

👍︎︎ 5 👤︎︎ u/[deleted] 📅︎︎ May 09 2017 đź—«︎ replies

About 2 years ago, this went wrong with American: http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2015/09/11/oops-american-accidentally-flies-wrong-plane-to-hawaii/

They flew a non-ETOPs plane to Hawaii and had to fly it back empty.

👍︎︎ 5 👤︎︎ u/sdhillon 📅︎︎ May 10 2017 đź—«︎ replies

Always love me a Wendover Production

👍︎︎ 16 👤︎︎ u/spriteburn 📅︎︎ May 09 2017 đź—«︎ replies

Pretty sure that the 4x engined Airbus A340 was created to fill the ETOPS void back in the 90s, but soon thereafter the 777 and A330 were given high ETOPS ratings and the niche for the A340 was closed.

👍︎︎ 5 👤︎︎ u/HNPCC 📅︎︎ May 10 2017 đź—«︎ replies
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This Wendover Productions video was made possible by Hover. Get your unique domain and email from Hover by going to Hover.com/Wendover and using the code wendover at checkout. “It’ll be a cold day in hell before I let twins fly long-haul over-water routes.” Those were the words of Lynn Helms—administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration during the Reagan administration. At the time, no commercial american airplane with two engines was allowed to fly anywhere farther than 60 minutes from a diversion airport. The belief was that, if one engine failed, the other could only safely fly the plane for about an hour, but this rule severely limited what smaller planes could do. On North Atlantic routes like New York to London, twin-engine planes could only fly in these areas but a direct route looked like this. The options were to either fly a twin-engine plane on an inefficient routing or fly a inefficient three or four engine plane. There was no place for long-and-skinny routes between smaller cities using smaller planes since airline couldn’t legally fly those smaller planes. This one simple rule changed the very way airplanes were built. Now, in the 60’s, this 60 minute regulation only applied to planes with two engines. Of course aircraft manufacturers could build quad-engine jets but those had to be huge for airlines to make their money’s worth with their high fuel consumption. The 747’s of the time could carry more than 400 passengers. They could therefore only fly on super high-demand routes like New York to London to have any hope of being full. In order to start flying more convenient non-stop routes from smaller markets, planes had to get smaller while still being legally allowed to hop the pond. That’s where trijets came into play. With three engines, these planes weren’t subject to the same 60-minute regulation as twinjets. They could easily fly any transatlantic route. That’s why in the 70s or 80s, the long-haul jets you’d see at airpots were, for the most part, either 747’s or trijets like the DC-10. This 60-minute regulation was inconvenient for Atlantic Crossings, but in the Pacific it actually changed how Hawaii developed. There are zero diversion airports between California and Hawaii so the route isn’t even close to covered under the 60-minute rule. As a result, airlines could only fly huge planes between the mainland and Hawaii which meant that planes could pretty much only fly to Honolulu. There was virtually no service between the other islands and the mainland which meant the other islands were severely isolated. That’s part of the reason why the tourism industry only picked up on the other islands in recent decades. Luckily, change was coming. The 60 minute rule originated from the days of piston driven propeller aircraft. With these, it was far more common for engines to just stop working mid-flight. That’s why there were contingency engines. The regulations just didn’t adapt to the increased reliability of jet engines. Statistically, for every failure of a jet engine, there are 117 piston engine failures. Once the jet age rolled in, engine failure just wasn’t as much of a concern, so, in 1985, the FAA begrudgingly granted permission to Trans World Airlines to fly their twin-engined 767 direct between Boston and Paris—a route taking it up to 120 minutes away from diversion airports. This was the first example of a brand new FAA certification called ETOPS—“Extended-range Twin-engine Operational Performance Standards,” or more colloquially, “engines turn or passengers swim.” Before an airline can fly a long over-water route they have to buy a plane with what’s known as an ETOPS type rating. Basically that means that the plane was built with adequate redundancies, communications systems, and fire suppression systems to fly safely if one engine fails. For example, the 767—the first plane to get an ETOPS certification—has a type rating of 180 minutes meaning it can fly anywhere as long as its 180 minutes from a diversion airport. But just because a plane has a type rating doesn’t mean an airline can fly it ETOPS. They have to have a special maintenance plan, a special flight crew, special cabin crew, special dispatchers, special fuel quantities, and special passenger recovery plans since, just because there’s a runway doesn’t mean that a plane can safely divert since the emergency doesn’t end once the plane lands. Cold Bay, Alaska, for example, is a perfect diversion airport for routes between Asia and North America. It only has six commercial flights per week nowadays but as a former Air Force Base it has an enormous runway. The only issue is that the town of Cold Bay has a population of 108—its tiny—so any diversions automatically double or triple the amount of people in the small town. There certainly aren’t enough hotel rooms or restaurants to house and feed stranded passengers so, if airlines plan to use Cold Bay as a diversion airport, they need to make a plan for how to house, feed, and recover passengers within 48 hours of landing. Last year an American Airlines 787 was flying from Shanghai to Chicago when its right engine had an issue halfway across the Pacific Ocean. The plane quickly took a left turn diverting to Cold Bay. Even before landing the plan was implemented as flight attendants served a second meal service early. Just a few hours after safely landing in Cold Bay, American’s mechanics took off from Seattle bound for Cold Bay to start fixing the plane while Alaska Airlines, American’s partner, sent a 737 from Anchorage to pick up the stranded passengers. Meanwhile, flight attendants served the third set of meals they had stocked while waiting on the ground and the coast guard opened their heated hanger to passengers. Just 10 hours after the emergency landing, passengers were on their way to Anchorage where they spent the night before taking an American 757 to Chicago. That was a perfect example of how the passenger recovery plan worked. The quick response and defined plan helped the airline get passengers out safely and quickly. Now, because of the solid engine reliability, numerous redundancies, and well-designed passenger recovery plans, airlines and airplanes can now receive insane ETOPS certifications. The 787 Dreamliner, the plane that diverted to Cold Bay, has a type rating of 330 minutes. That means it can fly up to 5.5 hours away from a diversion airport. Certain routes over long-ocean stretches in the southern hemisphere were theoretically possible in the past with four engine planes but were economically impossible since airlines could never fill the large planes on the low-demand city pairs like Melbourne to Santiago. With the ETOPS 330 certification, LATAM Airlines can fly their small 787 economically on this relatively low-demand route across the South Pacific. The Airbus a350 is even rated for ETOPS 370—it can fly 6 hours and 10 minutes away from diversion airports. This plane can therefore fly everywhere on earth except directly over the South Pole. Because of this simple rule change, three and four engine planes are largely a relic of the past. Boeing and Airbus’ largest jets are both their only four engine planes in production—the 747 and a380. Nearly all North Atlantic traffic today is on twin-engined planes as smaller and smaller planes get ETOPS certifications. Air Canada, for example, flies their tiny 120 passenger a319 with ETOPS certification daily between St Johns Airport and London Heathrow. British Airways even sends the even smaller a318 between New York and London City Airport. These routes would have been unimaginable 30 years ago but the reliability of the airplanes of today mean we need not fear flying small planes over big oceans. This video was made possible by Hover. I talked last time about how Hover is a fantastic way to get a unique domain just like my new Wendover.Productions domain but I want to stress this time how professional a custom email address is. For $5 for the entire year, I set up an email ending in @wendover.productions to forward to my existing business email. Not only is this email much more memorable, it also oozes professionalism. Surely that’s worth the $5 that you’d otherwise spend on 1/160th of an ETOPS flight to London, right? Anyways, you can get a custom domain and email from Hover for 10% off, while simultaneously supporting Wendover Productions by going to hover.com/Wendover and using the code “Wendover”
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Channel: Wendover Productions
Views: 2,992,421
Rating: 4.9343023 out of 5
Keywords: airplanes, airplane, big, over, small, oceans, plane, etops, twin, engine, twins, faa, wendover, productions, aviation, airports, history, a380, 747, dc-10, trijets, explained, educational, education, hawaii, europe, north america, routes, 787, dreamliner, south america, economics, long-and-skinny
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Length: 8min 57sec (537 seconds)
Published: Tue May 09 2017
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