Small Box Corner Joints - Live Q & A (11 DEC 2021)

all right three two one we are live hi folks welcome to our christmas didn't even get all of our all of our uh wreaths up welcome to our christmas head yeah well it's been around um this is our saturday night youtube live purple heart project fundraiser answer me questions ask me questions i'll give you answers lots of people here tonight but let's start right in with a question and then when we as the audience builds we got a lot of stuff we'll talk to tell you about frick we'll introduce you to the latest family member and lots of other stuff frick question please all right first question comes from david in booneville arkansas david in booneville i hope you uh i hope you duck to the tornadoes uh he says what corner joint would be the strongest for a blanket chest what corner joint would be the strongest for a blanket chest well uh of course i would dovetail it if you didn't want to dovetail it you could do a box joint both of those are equally strong there's lots of glue surface um yeah i would i mean i just what do you think nick i think that's i think that's the uh option i would go with but then uh you know i got to change my whole line of thinking remember where is that jake i don't know you did a little experiment here a couple of months ago to see how strong a uh did you find it the other day yeah a simple butt joint that's it right there okay so here i have to i mean this is an answer i never would have thought i never thought i would give so here's a rabbit joint so in case you don't know rabbit or rebate rebate depending on which side of the world you're in so on this piece i've cut this out and on the other piece i didn't do anything i did plane the end of the board beforehand and then i glued it you see a little bit of glue left over in there very simple joint and look how strong it is that's a slippery floor and i'm after that meal i just had i'm probably close to 200 pounds with this apron on and and i was actually jumping on that and i couldn't i couldn't break it so that that really destroys the line of thinking we've always had about the strength of a joint so you could if you wanted something to be really simple you could do that if you wanted it to be complicated but strong you could do a dovetail i i think uh in terms of the one i just showed you i think hand planning the surface so that it's uh you have really good close contact meaning when that piece goes into the corner there's contact everywhere you don't have any gaps and i don't know whether you get actually a better joint from a hand plane surface than you would one coming off the table saw or not i think you would we'll have to prove that someday that'd be a good test so that's my my response oh well all right well i was going to wait till our audience builds a little bit and then we'll answer it and then we don't answer it a whole bunch of times so ken please remind me to address that next frick all right how many people do we have on uh 369. okay when we get up over 500 let's introduce the moose all right next one comes from germany from george hi george says how do you prevent or deal with squeeze out on the inside corners when gluing a box together well um you have you it's almost inevitable because if you're too stingy with the glue there's a chance you're not going to have enough if you're if you're overly generous then it's going to be all over the place so a little fine bunch of beads is probably perfect i find it best to scrape them off at the point where the glue has got rubberized not fully cured it's fully cured then it's a lot harder because you've got to put a lot of effort in and there's a chance that you're going to raise some of the grain when you do it if you do it too soon it just smears all over and then that's a mess so i keep a blade i have a plain blade block plain blade that does not have have does not have the charlesworth ruler trick on the back so what i do especially in that situation where the glue is uh actually i'll use that as an example this is a little bit late this stuff is already hard but when the glue has gotten just rubbery enough that it's once you release it and it lands there it's not going to leave a spot but you can lay something like this and you can just go in there and you can drag that along that corner like so or if it's really hard you might be you can just tap it into the corner and then flip it over and do the same thing on this side that's hard i can't even cut through it but that's how i would do it but do it and it's soft and it's easier to do but have something like that laying around so you can get right in the corner or you can always buy an ibc chisel because the advantage of an ibc chisel you can take you can take the handle off you can take the ferrule off and that'll do the same thing that'll lay right into that corner i'm going to just i'm going to try something with a little brass hammer now if i didn't want to mark up the wood i could put a piece of paper ah credit card or something and flip it over and if the back is nice and flat it's not going to dig into the wood and you should be able to get right in there and just release that without a problem but i think i think you end up having to have a little bit i've tried running masking tape right on the inside corner yeah i wouldn't say it was a tremendous success okay next all right david in devon uk david and devon hey david it says do you ever do dovetails with mitered ends on boxes and cabinets if so do you have any tips for getting the miter spot on ooh so what he's referring to have i got an example here jake i i'm trying to think of where you use that always on that bookcase that you built in the hand to a workshop yeah um all right super dave said to tell everyone i'm on my way just putting the last few rubber safety tips on my chisels i'm looking to see if i have an example i thought maybe i did but i don't but what what david's asking so this is a this box is dovetailed and on the front edge leading edge you see a butt joint so if you do what he says if you look over here this this being the pin would have been cut on a 45 like that and this tail you wouldn't see this part of it because it would be cut slope like that on the inside but this would go all the way to the front and you would have cut a miter along here and you put your two miters together you put the joint together and the miter closes it's a tricky a bit of a tricky joint because the miter has to close at the same time the tails seat down into the pins and if the miter closes first then you get a gap at the base of your all your tails if the miter doesn't if the pins close the tails closed first you have a gap so how do you do it well what i always would do is uh use my magnifiers and make sure that on that i'm looking for a uh i'm looking for some way to actually show you i want to demonstrate this because i think this is a good uh this is a good question let me just see if i can find a piece of wood in a shop i think oh a piece of three quarter here's something right here okay can i make a knot i want to make a saw cut and make a mess so i gotta move some of this i got all these boxes around just in case you wanted to be inspired lovely hinge you've probably seen that a hundred times okay i'm gonna i'm going to do i'm going to lay out i am going to make this cut i'm going to lay out the tail portion because the pin portion is pretty straightforward the tail portion can be a little bit complicated you slept right through that did you want to peek did you want to do a little peek he's not leaving i'm gonna use the inside one little heavy i almost can't use that it's got that crap all the way around it let me just cut this real quick i didn't want to do it with turn the psalm when the baby was in here um okay so the first thing first secret to doing this is you have to get your mar you have to set your marking gauge to the exact thickness and obviously both pieces need to be the exact thickness so if this was my tail board i'm going to identify it as such how come half the time i have nine pens that's a sure thing so you want red no there's one right here this is going to be the tail board so on the tail board we're going to run a line on the inside on the outside now let's i'm going to say this is the back so i'm going to go ahead and do the back as a normal way but if this is the front the front edge and i'm going to put front on here i would not use my marking gauge across here okay now i'm just going to do this one end we'll go ahead and lay this out um we'd have this line and i'll come down here and do that do that do that have you done one of these before you neck you did it on the in the class didn't you you're not paying attention nick come on you didn't no we didn't have one okay ignore the rest of it because i haven't gone all the way down now i'm going to turn that around let me just do it and then i'll then i'll show it to you so here's how i would lay it out this is the front of my board here's my dovetail you notice that i did not draw the line down here and i'm going to identify all of my waste but i drew my line down in here so this is all going to be waste this is going to be waste then i've got to take my combinations where there's an elephant in the room by the way i shouldn't use that expression but it will be unveiled due to us breaking a record in donations a few months ago we were given permission to unveil this beauty stay tuned you do not want to miss it okay so this is the part where it you got to get really precise i put my headgear on so i can see better and i'm going to use my combination square and a striking knife and i've got to run from [Music] this is the outside so i'm going to run from here out to there but if you i don't know if jake can get in that tight or not i'm going to scrub this way so can you see right there the knife mark or the marking gauge mark so i'm going to go back here so the marking gauge mark looks like this when it when expanded it's angled on the wayside it's square on the good side and i've got to now draw 45 well i got to make sure that i draw my 45 not from there but from right here it has to originate right there so that's why i could use my magnifiers to get in and when that point right there and then with a knife that's flat on the inside and i'll run it several times okay and if you want to make it easier take your chisel i'm going to go ahead and and finish identifying the waste okay let's have a look at this before i do anything so one more time this is the outside the hash marks are all going to be removed you don't see anything out here but you do see this so i'm going to come in and i'm going to use my chisel and i'm going to just carefully cut a little trough up against that knife line okay and i'll go ahead and i'd process this as normal i think i'll use my new len robinshaw three-quarter dovetail saw for small work this isn't small well it was the only chance i could throw it in excuse me this has a 15 thou blade by the way so and sometime in the very near distance is going to be the new sean shim specifically for this saw that's the uh there's the original sean shim and that's the new one for the three quarter so i'm going to make these cuts i want to give a big shout out to mark at the wood whisperer he did me a big favor the other day and came online with some vets that we're working with who i will talk a lot more about later tonight so if you haven't been to the wood whisperer go visit subscribe he's a good guy mark made a new bench recently and he took his old bench and he auctioned it off and he gave all of the proceeds to the purple heart project which i thought was awesome oh remember your bench isn't level huh your bench isn't level oh yeah you mean so i don't screw up again okay so this one i have to make the cut from that corner down to here very similar to doing a half blind so i'm gonna get started on the inside line my saw up we're uh we're at 550 now just so you know are we now this is part that's a little bit difficult because you don't want to go close to that you don't want to go beyo on that line and yeah you got to get down to this inside one you went over did i i didn't think so i'll go ahead and remove the waste turn this back around uh instead of chiseling this i'm just gonna try to get really close with the saw and by the way the front saw fits in the in the kerf left by the new three-quarter saw too so you're safe okay so now what i've got to do is i've got to come in and i have to i have to saw down here so i'm going to switch and i'm going to grab my joinery cross cut you can do either but i'm going to use the crosscut i like the way it holds the line we're going to go in here that little trough that we created allows i'm going to make a little deeper it allows for a nice wall that you can register your saw against now the whole idea is to do this so you don't have to use a second tool and by that i mean be accurate enough with your saw that you can join right from it so i'm going from i'm down about 3 16 here and then a little bit lower on the inside so you got to make a plumb cut at the same time you're following you're following your line that wall sorry give me a heads up jake light touch there now i would come in here and look at that really closely and i think based on where that line is that i did not i was sloped a little bit so i've got to come in here and correct that now oh i did i could see it sorry for the long answer but i was trying to be thorough well the next question was how do you lay out and cut the dovetails so for this okay so there's the dovetail half now the good news is the pin half is really simple you just cross out like a normal pin do it and then when you're done you come in and you just cut a 45 you cut the pin off well here let's do that on the other end we'll just kind of pretend now what about transferring you have to use a knife uh how you would transfer it yeah yeah you got to use a knife the oh yeah you can't use you can't use the sean shim and the offset process to do these because i haven't figured out a way to be able to you can't reach you can't get can't reach up in there with your sawtooth blade so you got to go in with a really fine knife and draw a line and then you've got to learn to follow that line but i'm just going to uh i'm just going to what am i doing jake is this that one yeah i'll just cut this real fast and let's see we'll just have a pretend one uh [Laughter] so there would be your there would be your pin and then you would do the same thing you did and when i say same thing what i mean is you would come in here and you would register right there not at the bottom of the mark come in keep that knife standing plum so that that little knife wall you're going to get thank you paul is um 90 degrees to this surface right you don't want it sloping off or no do you want it sloping under then you would come in with your i'll do it with this with a little three-quarter saw just follow that that wall and this one like i said this one's all done after the fact so that's what your pin board would look like your pins would all be the normal you just take a 45 off that last one and then if you if you uh kept this gay this distance from here to here the exact thickness of the board and you went right off of that inside line well when when this when this tail comes down and meets that gauge line then the inside of this miter and the inside of the opposite miter should be meeting at the same time so everything should work out just right but it's uh boy it's a nerve-wracking one you're putting it together and you swear that the gap on the underneath the tails is bigger than the gap in the miter and you tap tap that but all of a sudden wow it works very satisfying whoa what a question good one hope that helps next well we're over 500 let's do frick story all right so um in case you weren't here last week we had ernie and by the way ernie will be coming back we got to get a new we got to get a different piece of equipment to uh handle that delay that we had it was uh as somebody described it a hot mess ernie we had a 15 second delay frick are we having a re-enactment we can do it i thought they'd want to see okay i don't want to see that thing ever again so let's set this up so we were we were trying to get this right and there was a 15 second delay so every time ernie and i are trying to talk and i and it was just a mess so frick in the background was said i'll fix this so we grabbed the coil of wire and had two zip ties on it zip ties now it has one zip tie thin electrical tape which would have been nice so jake and i are filming away and in the background frick is over here he's trying to get this done quick to get things moving and he took a chisel reenact this and what did you hold you hold it like that yes no no no i had it i'm not letting you touch this i can't do it again obviously so i had on the table like this chisel was the closest object so i cut through one zip tie and the other one wasn't going through so i was holding this side of the cables and then using the chisel and then it slipped off and went into my finger it went in so here's where it went in it went in right here right there didn't it it went right in the front i thought how did it get around to the side it went in here and slid this way oh it did that way oh oh i hit the other way so went in like this hit the bone cut halfway through the tendon and then rode the bone over cut through both nerves two nerves two nerves and the artery an artery and chipped the bone and and frick's doing this so there was blood splatter everywhere jake and i all weak oh he looked more flop more blood finding blood but they sewed him up tell him you tell them the rest of the story uh well at the time i obviously didn't feel it i was probably in shock or the adrenaline was going and as he said i was shaking it generally think much of it went outside passed out shortly after woke up in jake's car on the way to the hospital they stitched me up had surgery two days later and uh here i am so that's where they told me where i got two nerves artery half the tendon and the bone and uh it's about a 13 week healing process can't use my arm for about six weeks uh got seven or eight stitches in it now so i'll show you the video but it's quite gruesome anyway he lived glad to have him back yep that's it this is everything the discussion on the way to the hospital was uh the sharpness of the chisel because can you hear the discussion on the way the hospital between jake and i was uh the sharpness of the chisel because the chisel wasn't actually sharpened it was retail sharpened from ibc but it was not rob cosman sharpened so we were debating whether or not it would have taken my entire finger off uh if it was rob cosman sharpen but at the same time if it was rob cosman sharpened it probably would have cut the zip tie so that's a question we're gonna have to live with uh for a while so someday we may have to go through but thank you everybody for your message i got a ton of messages emails text messages and everybody uh concerned and yeah it helped me get through it a little bit better so thank you everybody well i still got a complaint gotta milk it for the life you know on a lot of drugs right now just so you know none of them legal you're gonna do another question then we'll then when we come back we'll uh sure we'll introduce them to the little moose uh mike curry in delavan wisconsin hey mike is there a board or box size or other rule of thumb where you would use box joints instead of dovetails um no i i have my box joint thing jig there the the only time the only reason we use box joint is for speed and we do that because uh where's the where's the where's the um there it is right here so the fancy saws that i make we put them in a we make the boxes for those and it's a box joint well i i can't dovetail all of these so we do this it's the same size all the pieces are the same dimension so when that jig is set up we can crank them out really quick and that makes it feasible i uh tell you the story a little differently when i was trying to survive as a woodworker i would make fancy little boxes like this with the wooden hinge this is made out of piece of figured maple has deer skin on the inside and outside it has your cosmonesque wood hinge and all dovetailed well that would sit in a uh that would sit in a gallery somewhere and it would sit alongside of this box well actually it's a better example right here and the average non-woodworker person walking through couldn't tell the difference didn't care they thought both of them were interesting well this box could easily have taken me four hours on the joinery and this box i can do start to finish in under an hour so from a profitability standpoint it made a whole lot more sense to do these since the people buying them didn't care one way or the other they just like the look of it so if you look this is this is very crude but i mean this was all built when i was having to produce so over here i got it all worked out i made up a jig that would allow you to have a larger finger joint and a smaller finger joint which came a little bit closer to mimicking a dovetail instead of having a true box joint where the pieces are all the same size it's more like you see on a fruit can box as opposed to a nice little box like this so on this side i've got a half inch um straight bit i see them and on this side i've got a 3 16 straight bit and i have this i have this all made out so it's real slick but you have to have the way i make the boxes the backs the pin board i call that the pin board i like to have it so that the lid comes down in and sits flush with the top so these pieces are always wider than these pieces and in order to get it just right if uh if one piece is if on the small ones the sides are 7 8 and the ends are inch and a quarter or the next size up is an inch and 9 16 and an inch and 7 8 and that spacing is so that it all works out perfectly and that's what's there so there's there's no time that i would do a box joint over a dovetail unless it was in a production piece where the results weren't going to matter in case you want to see this ten what's up mickey you open that door oh we can't get out the door is one so if you want to see what what this one uh we just these are supposed to on the website last week so this is the new three-quarter len robinshaw dovetail saw this is a little skinny one for doing small boxes this is this is a black and white ebony it's the only one of the only piece i had to be able to make a handle out of gorgeous stuff and thanks to harold snodgrass harold makes all of our boxes now that's how it comes okay let's uh let's introduce where's megan she's coming so megan jake and megan had their first baby how many days ago nine on the ninth no nine days ago on the second on the second of december and unfortunately moose who's usually always with us we got our wires crossed he didn't know we were filming tonight um jake named his little boy after bruce which is effectively known as moose so this is little moose i think he's going to come in and make his debut megan you going to bring moose uh luther want me while we're waiting there luther wanted me to remind you to mention the php saw collab video with james wright because it's being auctioned right now on his website oh is it it's been released yep okay i didn't know that so james wright and i collaborated i did an interview on his site and we decided to do something so i made a video and i built a dovetail saw with a purple infused resin impregnated maple handle it looks uh this is this is what it looks like in the rough but uh when it's finished it's looked really nice because this stuff polishes up beautifully but what's really nice about it is it doesn't dull whereas purple heart changes color this one doesn't so here's mama you want to give all the details he's a baby he is alive they're going to want to know how much did he weigh he's eight pounds one ounce 34 centimeters did he come into the world screaming or he's long he's 22 and something inches show him the back so you notice notices don't moose with me look at these feet little purple feet just like jake used to have so what's his name you want to tell the story tell a story these people want to know what well he was born tell a story of his name he named him his name is bruce ryan uh bruce obviously after moose and ryan after one of my karate senseis who was murdered five years ago ryan jimmy ryan actually fought in the ufc and met with tragedy we were good friends with his family his son his dad has taught all karate to all of my children how many have black belts three or four you and erica anna convinced me annika and loren so this is baby this is baby bruce and his nickname is going to be little moose there's a lot of hockey and stuff going on in the background you probably don't understand but we're a different breed mclaren is his cousin okay all right thank you bruce come again next question that by the way is my sixth grandson we have no granddaughters you didn't finish the story on the collaboration yeah yep so sorry i made the saw then i sent it to james and he made a special box and now he's auctioning the box with the saw in it off on his website is are you guys gonna put the details up uh yep and then the website and the proceeds will uh will be donated to the purple heart project and in case you don't know what the purple heart project is under normal times six times a year one week each month starting in may through october we run a six day very intense hand to a workshop we go monday to monday to saturday we go from seven in the morning till 10 11 at night we bring in seven paying customers and seven combat wounded vets come as our guests we provide them with their airfare their hotel their meals actually we do all that right here and we send them each home with i guess what amounts to somewhere between four and forty five hundred dollars worth of premium hand tools so they take home exactly what i use and thanks to the bench brigade jack lane and chris chahusky and jim uh what's jim's last name up moncton mercedes merzetti i hope it announced that properly jim up in moncton who is the uh the northern division of the bench brigade they uh volunteers procure the materials build a bench to our specs and then when possible actually deliver it so that every combat wounded vet that comes through our program gets to have a bench now we just started that a year and a bit ago so if you're a combat wounded vet that's been to our program and never got a bench you need to contact me so we can get that taken care of we'll reach back right to 2016 in in the class that we first did back in november i've been trying to reach as many as i can but some i've not been able to get a hold of and if you're a combat wounded vet that's been to our as our scholarship program please make yourself known on the ken ken's watching and he'll give we'll give you a shout out we'd love to uh reconnect with you big shout out to kyle up in newfoundland uh kyle recently drove nine hours eight or nine hours eight or nine hours in both directions to build it to deliver a bench that he built even though kyle was kyle was in our he was one of a fur he and jesse roofing were the first two canadians we had in our class back in 2017. i think and kyle volunteered to build a bench for eric halmerson and eric you've heard me talk about eric because i don't know too many guys that join hi hey here i don't know many two commented guys who joined the army at age 50. he fought actually his son was his command his uh his son was his boss they fought together in afghanistan and when eric turned 59 on the front lines of afghanistan his commander brought out a birthday cake to him so pretty remarkable guy eric came here it was wonderful to have him kyle drove that biomes drove that bench to eric and delivered it and drove back home and i just think that was a and you know what i talked to kyle a couple times since and that was that was a highlight for him so uh just great that the two of them got to get to say hello and jack tries to make it so that the people that build the bench get to actually deliver it and i can't just say this without mentioning how was it who who made the arrangement with the courier to deliver jeff church jeff church who's a pilot for ups ups contacted ups told them the story they at their expense went to the guy's house who built it was it just built the bench went to jeff's house packaged it up delivered it to hawaii one of the vets that we had that was in hawaii and uh took care of all that expenses which they flew jen and they flew jeff yeah jeff delivered yeah big shout out to ups for doing that so if you're trying to decide between ups and somebody else and who deliver your package give ups a serious consideration based on what they did they didn't they just i think they actually volunteered to do it he just told the story so some wonderful support out there i could i can tell you stories all night long about people delivering benches and it is a highlight if you'd like to be a part of this we got quite a few but if you really would like to be a part of this no matter what part of the world you're in you send me an email and i will forward it to jack lane and he'll put you in the database so the next time we have a soldier coming to our workshop that's in your area you'll be building that bench form frick give me another question uh oh yeah give me another question please okay uh next question comes from gary ross in arizona hi gary what is the best method for getting accurate repeatable miter cuts for boxes who what is the best method for getting accurate repeatable miter on boxes so i would assume that what he's talking about is something like this where you're cutting a flat miter you're cutting a miter on these two pieces that's a mitered joint so the first thing i would say would be a really really sharp i'm almost i'd almost have a a new blade that i saved just for that and i if you want a recommendation we we love these freud blades we don't get any special consideration from freud so i'm just telling you this and passing on a good tip what do we use the 80 tooth 80 tooth cross guys 80 tooth cross cut 10 inch beautiful and i like i like the thin kerf so you want a really good sharp blade you want a good i make a um i have it right here i think i do yeah i make a special sled that fits in my table saw all right this way and it cuts on a 45 i make it so when it's when that when those guys fit in your your slots there is no slop at all and i'm just careful when i use it i'm careful when i put it away so it doesn't get banged around make sure your saw is set so it's right on 45 and you may have to do some playing with that in order to get it right but if you do that you can usually get away with oh the other thing too is uh i'll make a i'll make a cut that's if the box is going to be the side's going to be 10 inches i'll make a cut that's maybe a 10 and an eighth and then i'll go back in and i'll just trim the last little bit off but usually under those circumstances that i just explained you can join right from the saw which isn't always the case we should i i've made a uh a miter uh miter before so that you could actually plane across that end and maybe we'll do another one at some point but for small boxes i think you can get away with that and it'll work perfectly and then use the tape trick for putting it together but you didn't ask me that question another question frank uh yep greg porter in alabama you made small boxes for years with the full-size dovetail saw what's the advantage of switching to your three-quarter saw and when will the three-quarter saw be available again it is they're on up now on they can so here's how this happened we ended up doing a series of small projects in the online the online workshop we did the bloke box which had little tiny dovetails in thin wood the sides i think were 3 16 of an inch thick i did that one for my wife that had that jewelry box that had all kinds of dr had eight drawers in it and all the sides and all real small pieces and i just uh i remember i just remember thinking one time i said i wish i had a little smaller saw for doing these saw that i have is wonderful for what i would call drawer size dovetails but when you get into little small pieces of wood it just seemed to be like you were using too big of a tool so we actually started work on this almost two years ago coveted hit and that caused the problem with us getting supplies but we finally got it now i went with the really thin curve so the blade is 15 thou whereas my normal dovetail sub blade is 20 thou the set is the same two thou per side but on this saw we went with 22 teeth per inch all the way but the front inch and a half the teeth instead of the cutting face being uh zero we've got it laid back like that so you can go in there with that first inch and a half and with any very minimal resistance get the sauce started right where you want it and then finish up with the rest of it and boom away it goes and we cut the saw we cut the we we did everything three quarter our normal handles are one inch we cut these down to three quarter our normal brass is uh seven seven eight we cut this down to three quarter uh it's a smaller blade it's a thinner blade and it just uh it works great it's if you're doing small dovetails um if you're doing fine with the one you are great but if you find like me you just i wish i had something a little bit tinier for working this small stuff try it but they're back in stock did you confirm that ken yeah yeah yeah we did uh ian made ian finished 20 of them i think on friday so they're there so uh how many people are we on frick 660. okay so i'm going to give you a treat actually give me give me two more questions and then i'll introduce the uh the treat uh before i give you a question john demio's with us john is hi john and he just wanted to let us know that uh herman was joined by joining heaven today by his longtime friend tony cieno who died uh today he's 98 years old serving world war ii with him so served in e-word iwo jima thank you thank you john i appreciate you telling us that if you haven't seen the video that we did with john's dad herman demeo yeah you need to go back and watch that it was in october october 2020 and that was the most memorable youtube video we've ever done we had hermann on just fantastic i can't tell you i can't put in words what you'll watch when you see it it's just great and nice to see you john merry christmas to you and your family appreciate you speaking up question frank okay next question comes uh from paul testoni hey paul i would like to line my boxes with some sort of material leather fabric felt etc what do you find is the best material for professional look and more importantly what is the best way for a perfect fit thank you okay so let me tell you what not to do first where's the uh where did i set it down which one the deerskin right there your hand was an inch away from me no okay where oh there so this one i thought i'd be clever there was a uh there used to be tandy leather shop that was all over the place but in canada there was only one left and it was in calgary and i was there one time and they had some deer skin and it was really nice and supple um and uh i finished my i put the lid i put the bottom on in and then i finished put apply the finish so i had used um i guess you can see some it's still there green painters tape to protect the leather and that deerskin is so fragile that in taking off i pulled the nap off of it you can see it really ruined it but i love the fact that it's in there it's just nice and touched so don't use deerskin now here's one not finished here's just black leather and that that works great and what's nice about is when you drop stuff in there you don't hear that hollow ring it's it's just gives a little bit of a cushion i don't do i didn't do the outside on that one and the way i do that is uh you can't you never want to apply it after the fact so you apply it to the bottom and then just fit the bottom into the box you may you're gonna have to make your groove a little bit wider but that's the way you do it and then you get a nice tight fit everywhere on the inside this is an unfinished box but so i think uh leather is the ideal uh this one i used tennessee aromatic cedar this one is eastern cedar so sometimes if you want a bit of a nice aroma i'm going to look and see if i have any that have i've used a felt product i don't think i've any of those left that one isn't yeah there it is so this stuff can't remember what it was called don't think you can buy it anymore so it's kind of like a the nappy side of leather but it's man-made and it's peel and stick and it was really nice because you'd lay the sheet down and you take your take your bottom after it's already been sized set it on there doesn't just trim all the way around it was super easy to use it came in green red brown and navy blue and i used that for years there's another example of uh leather now sometimes it is problematic do you see how it's kind of bunching up on me right there fitting it into the groove and what you can do in a circumstance like that is you can take a chisel and if you're careful you can go in and just right there i shouldn't do this and just push it down and try to tuck it underneath and you can usually uh remedy that that's the only problem with the leather because the leather the bottom of the leather sticks to the wood and then you've got the thickness of the leather and the top part's not that great there's there's the same there's a leather one where i turned it the other way so it's the smooth side what do we got on this one this one was just wood nothing wrong with that this one is wood another leather one i used leather a lot i used to buy a big sheet of or a big hide or whatever you would call it a leather and um you know you you could get a lot of boxes out of it yeah that's all the examples i have so my first choice would always be leather and you can do either side of the leather i think it's i think i think the smooth side of the leather is a cleaner looking product but make sure you make sure you put it on the bottom first and just regular glue by the way regular tight bind glue glue it on don't need a whole lot and never comes off works great next frick uh next question comes from barry o'mahony in bend oregon hi beautiful place bend he says any pro tips for when you're trying to make a box where the grain wraps around all four corners using a thin curved blade to do the re-sawing is one i imagine my results have been hit or missed to any other pointers you can provide be appreciated okay i need you to read it let me read it one more time a little slower well really it's the first part that matters any pro tips for when you're trying to make a box where the grain wraps around all four corners yeah so you can't match all four corners right you take your board and you make all your cuts so this corner is not going to look like that corner the other ones will so i always put that corner on the back somewhere i'm just going to look and see if i've done this because i know i would have that one that one is so plain jane the walnut that you can't tell anyway so i hope i didn't waste too much time doing that this these mitered ones it's usually only the miter ones that i do it on you can do it on you can do it on a dovetail but people are going to look more at the dovetail than they are at the fact that you've run it all the way around i've done it on chest the drawers um you're going to have some loss because you've got your thickness of your saw kerf so you know the thin kerf blade that's not that big of a deal but you are going to minimize some of it um make sure you run some lines on the board before you cut it up so you can put it all back together number it i've got it turned around on my before and that's disappointing after you go through all that work but other than that um i i would do it rather than not do it but it usually doesn't give you the effect that you're expecting and whether it i can't tell you why it just sometimes seems to get lost and doesn't end up turning out to be nearly as dramatic as originally thought but again do it rather than not do it wait a minute nick they can't hear you have you has anybody got a mic no the receivers aren't charged so well here hold on nick this could this could be this could be epic i did that any kind of an announcement coming with this are you just going to talk about it um i think he was talking about taking a thicker piece of wood like something about an inch and a half and rip it in half and you can kind of put each end together if you know what i mean so you get you do get a continuous look yeah essentially it's book matched yeah on each side and it's i guess it's closer continuous grained than if you just cut your board if you take a long board and cut it in four pieces no i haven't done that yeah it was epic i'd marry him so here let me tell you the story in 19 in 2000 2017 uh david benson um retired army 17 years half of it was in the navy which he said was pretty cushy spent a lot of time diving down in cuba then he decided he wanted to uh reenlist joined the army ended up ended up going to afghanistan fighting in the northern part of afghanistan some rough area took uh had an rpg land not far away and all of the shrapnel came up between his helmet and his head and left him with a severe traumatic brain injury and other injuries the shrapnel went up and around underneath his helmet i think it saved his life he uh he ended up medically retiring after 17 years came moved back home and i met him because he had had an old table saw that his father i think her grandfather had left him but when they turned the saw on the frequency was such that due to the tbi that the traumatic brain injury had it would just leave him with a debilitating headache and he was kind of bummed because here he liked doing woodwork but wasn't able to use a saw so he was going on youtube looking things over or something and he bought a cobalt plane and he called me somehow he got my number and called me and asked me if i had some advice on how he could get this thing to work and apparently i told him look for the closest garbage can and use it but i don't know how i known he'd introduced himself but i found out he was commenting to vet and i said you really need to apply to our program so dave ended up coming we were teaching in niagara falls at the time and he was from near fort drum so it wasn't that far away new york came to the class didn't really didn't really stand out in the class he was somewhat shy although he's not really he just kind of had his head down and went to work and a lot of people in the class whatever you know we parted ways left the next class we came in to do was a bigger class we went from having 12 students to having 14 we maybe even had 15 something happened and luther always came so it would be jake and i and luther would work this you know take care of those 15 students and luther end up not being able to come at the last minute and i remember saying to jake oh we're in trouble what are we going to do and it may have been that very same day may even been that very same hour i get an email from dave and he says robbie said my wife says i'm close enough that i should volunteer if you need any help and i called him up or he emailed him or called him i said dave are you kidding me we are desperate yeah absolutely can you come he came he and jake hit it off well they were gone most of the week i was stuck working by myself but um dave really opened up and a real friendship developed between he and jake and he and i and the dave's been here i can't tell you how many times he's come up here and just come for the week we you know we come up for fishing trips we'd never get out of the shop and there's parts and pieces of boxes all over this place that he partially finished and gonna come back and finish some day anyway so how much how often do you talk to him jake i'm talking to him right now no how often how of so dave he and jake are on the phone two or three or four times a day i sometimes think megan gets jealous so uh we're we're big fans of seinfeld and mash and jake and i would come home from hockey at night and we'd uh we'd have a snack and we'd watch an episode of seinfeld i'd never watched seinfeld when it was on i only saw it after the fact but it was funny saw most of the episodes and rex my son got this idea now you have to understand you have to appreciate and know seinfeld in order to appreciate this but rex got this idea nobody knew anything about it and i can't believe dave actually agreed to do it but this was jake's birthday present last year our christmas present last year and dave said we could show it if we broke a certain record on donations on this and we did july 31st we raised by the end of the night we raised twenty thousand dollars but we have saved it for christmas so this is what hank wait before you do that i'm going to show the original photo on the screen so they all can see where the idea came from yeah this is called the timeless art of seduction so this is what hangs in jake's office and come to think of it jake's office has been finished for six months this has been hanging in there and he's yet to move into that office so whether that is anything to do with it or not i don't know so this is the uh the timeless art of seduction signed copies are available michelle his wife wants the first one we'll just leave that up in the background super dave you're you are a great sport for doing that and uh yeah that's enough no we're leaving it i don't think there's any photoshopping was there uh yeah i photoshopped the background in there oh did you and the words but you left the uh you left the i uh i got rid of some uh extra wrinkles and they are wrinkles age-related all right so that's your christmas present enjoy it next question prick okay next question comes right here though there's just here here's super dave and luther these two guys these two guys are a huge part of the success of uh our business and also the purple heart project amazing how when you're trying to do something people the right people come into your life so these are twins just different mothers this is luther this is super dave who we now call the goat which stands for the greatest of all time super dave said pull the plug megan pull the blackman bob abbott said please get it away from my cutting boards yeah bob you're jealous all right couple more questions and i want to talk to you about uh about oh there are prizes tonight i'm going to tell you about that too don't forget to register another question please frick yep jim pearson jason hold on jason jason cran said is that the leather couch from the classroom that we all sit on no no jim pearson in saranac lake new york says since trays are similar to a box how would you dovetail a compound mitered corner where the four sides slope out oh you know what i've never done that so i'm sorry i can't answer for you i'm sure there's some instructions somewhere but i have never i have never done that i've done i've done them where they're just one side's flared but i've never done a compound flaring sorry can't can't give you any help on that one one more question for another question frank jerry gillette camp hill pennsylvania hey jerry any tips on laying out any tips on layout and cutting green and green style finger joints he has green and green in quotation marks yeah um what would be different about green and green the fact that they protrude if if you're talking about making them so that they protrude otherwise they stick out beyond let me know and i'll talk to you about that i i'm otherwise i'm not 100 sure what you mean so if you can read it send that question in i'll address it frick next uh second here uh brad in australia hi brad he says i'm just starting out in my woodworking i'm using my grandfather's old tenant saw to cut my dovetails using the cosmonauts method but the results are not good the saw is difficult to start which is causing damage from the start can you talk about sharpening and if i can modify my saw to be more efficient well um yeah there's two answers the first answer is uh only cost you 250 dollars and it'll have you cutting it'll have you cutting dovetails that will amaze you inside of a couple of days that's a big promise but if you pay attention and do it it'll happen so i don't know what this old tenants all work looks like but typically uh tenon saws are larger so if this is a dovetail saw this is a tendon saw or maybe even this is a tendon saw and the bigger it is so one of the uh one of the factors in being able to control your saw is the distance between the heavy brass back that's now they use a heavy brass back because the thin blade would otherwise want to wobble and flex heavy brass back keeps it nice and rigid but a tenon saw you need depth here so here's your tooth line here's your heavy brass back it's a little wobbly if you do this all the time you develop stability in your wrist that it doesn't matter but if you're doing it as a hobby there's you cut tenons so infrequently that you probably never gain that real stable approach so if you look at the diff the distance and i'll use both dovetail saws so your heavy brass back is closer to your tooth line even closer on the new one and what that means is stability this way is going to be greatly improved now excuse me that's going to help a lot you don't need i wouldn't cut dovetails with this in these boxes because i'm only using this much of the blade all of that is just allowing for that instability so you don't need a great depth of cut typically for boxes or even drawers so another reason to get a smaller narrower blade the starting process i left that for last starting process is the most critical because if you as you've already found out if you don't get your saw cut started in the right spot then the rest of the process is just going to be a series of correcting errors so you have to be able to go in after the layout and get that saw to start exactly where you want so on our regular dovetail saw the first two inches has 22 teeth per inch with a negative about negative 25 30 degree cutting face what's that mean well it's slow cutting and when the teeth are zero degrees on the cutting face meaning if i were to put a square if i were to put a square on this like so those teeth the cutting part of those teeth cutting face is square to the blade very aggressive but on these front teeth it's leaning back like that has a tendency to ride over the wood so it allows you to come in if you try to use the back part here the teeth are really grabbing you're having to push push push and in the process the more effort you apply the less control you have i would hear i can start that just enough to catch my thumbnail once i do that that little that little kerf is going to hold the blade and as i move forward the big teeth cut nice and fast the two saw cut is exactly where i want it if i do it right that means i don't have to come in and touch it with a chisel it's finished this one because of how small the teeth were we just took those first inch and a half and we laid them back so the same idea you can come in get it started and then hit it with your teeth that are more aggressive and boom away you go now what can you do with your old saw i brought that up because if it's a tenon saw it's probably going to be a more it's it's not the right piece of equipment for the job yes you could go and sharpen it you can bring the set down to make it work better but you're still using you're using a shovel where you should be using a hoe i don't know if that's a very good analogy but the first thing you want to do is sharpen the teeth they've got to be sharp the set means that each tooth is alternately bent so if you look down the tooth line it's going to look like this this tooth goes that way the next tooth is bent this way this way this way this way that gives you a kerf or a groove that's wider than the blade so that it doesn't bind in the in the kerf you don't want a lot of set you want a minimal but having if you're brand new at this and you're gonna gonna go in and try to reset resharpen and reset the teeth wow you're biting off more than you can chew and we're busy enough making saws i don't need to work this hard to sell another one but you need to get us our saw and just go to work on learn to cut dovetails instead of trying to fix it you want to come back afterwards once you know what you're doing and start restoring some of your grandfather's old tools more power to you but in the beginning get the tools that will do the job and just go at it that's the best advice i can give you frick i want to i want to talk i want to just introduce everybody's here tonight so uh nick brought erica with them they've been here they haven't been here in a while but they used to be regulars and nick took our claw our took our class with who are you in the class with name some of the guys some of the best are we with jake oh he can't hear him sorry so he was in with jake taroula peter ambrose pete ambrose no no it was uh it was pete from tennessee wasn't it yeah yeah yeah he was with george um was he with den no no no he was with george uh george from knoxville yeah ron george runs the is the assistant manager at the woodcraft store yeah anyway so nick nick is a carpenter but also runs a business building uh tables and all kinds of what's your website new brunswick finer nb finery nb wood finery f-i-n-e-r-y dot-com oh it's on instagram or facebook so you can check them out ken's here so ken runs ken's in charge of production so he he handles everything on that side of the wall jake takes care of everything on the other side of the opposite wall and i don't do anything but ken keeps things running and we crank out a lot of stuff and good quality and all the nice stuff but ken has a cousin and her name is angie this is angie she is uh because of an illness she's confined to her bed but angie does all the packaging of our purple heart t-shirts so when you get a t-shirt there'll be a little seal on it and there'll be a little a where she's uh she's done it quality controlled it that's her with her new hat we always oh yeah and so last night we or yesterday afternoon we had our uh our company christmas party over here which was catered to by shuana thai restaurant james and his and his parents own it great supporters um they gave us a check for five thousand dollars here a month or so ago to the purple heart project fantastic food they came and catered everybody was full it was it was delicious and while there we brought angie in on zoom and uh we presented her with her very own apron that tony bahadur tony is another combat wounded vet came to our program he actually works here two days a week he and al al-mal mcneil works here as well both canadian combat wounded vets both military retired um army uh retired medically retired and both 20 some odd years al was a tank commander got blown up on his last tour in afghanistan by a suicide bomber but al won and tony had one tour in haiti one in bosnia and four in afghanistan so and the word yeah the the uh oh yeah and angie was oh by the way there's an apron right there i just want you is that isn't this the apron jake yeah yeah yeah so angie got tony had these made up for us and angie we sent angie home with one of these and on the back everybody signed it and she was employee of the year put that in your hat hi the only one that doesn't complain right she wore out her first apron frick's here jake's here luther's online super dave is on not anymore not anymore super dave's all right behind us he said some combat wounded vets that uh joining us we can't hear him can't hear ken jay give him your mic mike hold on ken these are just guys that attended classes phil lawrence in class of 2018 yeah hi phil we already mentioned eric class of 2021 uh ray door october ray cool ray down in uh ray i hope you're all right i hear about these tornadoes going through ray is in louisiana and gary burnett and gary burnett talk to gary this week gary howdy do gary's in tennessee hope you're safe and john borden said hi he's warm up toe he's john morton he wasn't in a class yes yeah i know john howdy john and charlie's on salt of the earth charlie danny bell and merry christmas charlie and it's great to have you back brother danny bell danny bell is here who's danny bell bob abbott danny bell danny bell recently retired danny was a chinook helicopter pilot and danny recently moved from moved his family from tennessee to maine just one step away and danny now works for us danny's our latest employee danny is going to be in charge of our instagram account so you should see that be uh blossom and we're also going to start and i think i'm not in the cat of the bag we're going to have a special php instagram account so we can keep in touch and let you let you guys know what's going on i'm gonna talk about danny and bob and kevin and jeff shortly are either one kevin or jeff on yeah hey kev kevin burris 22 years eod explosive ordnance disposal so his job was to protect the troops by finding these these uh hidden bombs and diffusing them before they killed somebody and kevin endured well over a hundred blasts somewhat uncontrolled blast the last one was 1500 pounds and it took him out and he was been a long road to recovery but check out burris woodworking b-u-r-a-s woodworking and see what kevin is doing because kevin i'm going to do it now kevin and bob bob was a u.s air force intelligence can does that all work in the same line us air force intelligence bob uh bob went back as a contractor to afghanistan iraq sorry and ended up getting injured in a suicide bomber attack and bob if you go to the vintage the vintageveteran.com that's bob's website so stop right there so we give away gifts every night so you guys put your name in for a draw at every thousand dollar increment we'll be more generous tonight because it's christmas we'll uh we'll give away we'll draw names and uh give you something so bob is supplying now we buy them from them uh bob is supplying two uh cutting boards this one is the drunken kind of drunken cutting board and i forget the name of this one it's my favorite one that cool so somebody'll be lucky to get that they're actually they're here they arrived the other day and uh depending on how it goes tonight we may give away more than one of these uh jeff anyway so bob is uh bob is running his business danny is running his kevin is running his kevin's going to get some stuff for us so we buy it from them retail and then we give it away to you folks and santa claus i always have to mention santa claus who really was uh the keystone in getting me going on this in this direction i don't give him enough credit uh he's covering half the part at least half of the cost of this and we're covering the other half but to show our appreciation for your support for purple heart project so kevin's going to be supplying us for stuff we're going to getting stuff from bob and jeff jeff o'connor so jeff i think jeff's new tag is up so it would be o'connor woodworking there's no apostrophe o c [Music] o n o r woodworking.com and jeff makes shave brushes and shave bowls and all kinds of stuff you'll see it on his website beautiful website and we've got some of that stuff coming as well so we'll give that away tonight so those four guys and i are in a group where just it's fantastic and it's all about helping us grow our business and grow our vision and tell you more in time it is good good okay next question frick okay so next question comes from the chat comes from luther bush oh ebby's here too just debbie yeah forget to mention him hi abby all right luther bush it's his first time watching live he's very interested and his question is what is the best box size and corners to use on first box i think he probably means material um say read that again please because i didn't quite get what is the best box size and corners to use on your first box i think it might mean like best wood maybe read it one more time please it just says best box size and corners to use on first box beck's best box size and corners to use on the first box well i'm not i'm not 100 sure what you're asking but let me give it to you let me give you this um where are those little tiny ones jake do you see them there's one right there nick can you hand that can you reach that another one right there thank you you have what i don't oh this is the one that fell off the so oh here's the other one right here i would not advise you to start with something small like that the smaller ones are actually harder to do if i was going to say what size would be uh easy to work i would say where's that right here this this is a nice size it's nice because especially if you're older and you've got a bit of arthritis it's easier to hold onto the pieces that are this size i'll give you the dimensions so um actually let me let me address that real quick you you want the sizes you want the shape to be pleasing it's just a square block it's just a rectangular box right but there's something called the golden rectangle i don't pay too much attention to it i usually just kind of do it what feels right but it usually fits well within that formula and that is the length to the width to the height and actually got several things i want to address here for you so this one happens to be exactly seven and three quarter long three and three quarter deep wide and the overall height is two and a half inches so if you're going to make a box that size you don't want right thick clunky material so what i've done is i've made the sides a quarter of an inch thick i've made the ends 7 16 of an inch thick actually that's not 7 16. that looks more like it's it's just shy of 7 16. and the reason i do that is because i like to elongate the tail so when you're laying out your corner if it's a dovetail then your baseline on this piece is the thickness of this piece and your baseline on this piece is the thickness of this piece if you go thin and thick it allows you to stretch that tail out and i just think it looks better and make it a little bit uh different on this end as well so don't you don't want your materials to be too thick you don't want to be too thin either and the lid the lid looks to be about 5 16 of an inch thick so those those uh dimensions seem to work in that box bottom is eighth inch plywood you can use solid wood i've done that as well hopefully that helps but stay away from the real small ones and you don't want it really real big that's this is another nice size too this one is just stretched out a little bit so this one is eight by four and three eighths by two and five eighths and i'll just show you this real quick because i don't think i've ever shown you this so what i did with this if you take red oak and sand blast it red oak when it grows the wood that grows in the spring grows rapidly and becomes very fast growing and if you look at the end of a piece of red oak you'll see holes you can actually blow through them that's the spring wood in the summer where there's not as much moisture the wood grows slower and it's denser so when you sand blast the spring wood wears away and the summer wood stays and you get this driftwood feel now wood oak has tannic acid in it so if you take some vinegar and you put some steel wool or some iron filings or even some nails in there and leave it for a while and then brush the vinegar on it reacts with the tannic acid and oak and it gives it that weathered look almost right away so i made i don't typically use red oak but in those circumstances so i think it's really cool the way when you sandblast it it eats it away and looks like looks like something you might have found on a beach with dovetails yeah right so that's the scoop on that box left the inside as it is okay next uh dale who's in the chat with us he says how do you do the inlays in the tops of for your boxes how do you do the ends say that again please yes yeah but i want to hear this question how do you do inlays in the tops for your boxes so if you're talking about this dale where's dale from uh he's just from the chat it doesn't say yeah he's from the chat so what this one is this is a little different style these are the ones that i do mostly because i like the way it turns out where the lid drops down into the box and it becomes flush with the ends so you see how the ends are a little bit higher and it just i'd like it i like it also makes it easy to hide the end of the hinge this one i used to do these two i would build the box so in this case the lid is fit into a groove it's all on four sides so that lid just like the bottom and i make this oh 2014. the lid just like the bottom have to be put into the groove while you're assembling the box and after it was all put together i would then cut cut the box open cut the lid off and you'd have this piece and you'd have to carefully match this to this so when it closes it closes with a nice tight fit and apply the wood hinge so that's how that fits in there but that's actually an eighth inch piece of kingwood but you can see how it oxidizes and loses some of its pizza i wonder i want to i want to ask you folks to do me a a consideration so i'm working with these four vets to uh jeff i didn't i forgot to tell you jeff was a navy eod this is an extremely dangerous job and these guys literally put their life in the line every time they go out because they're going to dismantle bombs that the enemy has put in place with the intent of taking out our soldiers and now they've got to go in and try to be one step ahead of the enemy and uh danny flying helicopters around the middle of the night you hear some of the stories they're hair-raising and and jeff i probably not jeff but uh kevin i said to kevin i said why didn't they take you off the line you've been so blown up he said rob i was the only guy that could do the job who's going to take care of these men if i'm not there what devotion and as a result kevin has had to live with all kinds of physical wounds because of it and and bob getting blown up as well so the four of these guys i think are superstars these are the real heroes that need to be recognized there's lots of them out there i'm just highlighting these four because i happen to be working closely with them right now they are attempting to build a business i know very little about this but i know ptsd and traumatic brain injuries make it difficult to function in a normal world we have two guys that work here and they fit wonderfully in here but it's tough like al said when he came to my door he said [Music] i'm being invaded hey cooper matter kim just passing through um al told me he was working in a and he had retired and was working in a a service station gas bar and he just said you know my ptsd i just cannot handle rude people so it's tough so they're starting businesses they do very good work i would like you to consider going on their website looking at what they're doing and if there's something there that catches your eye instead of buying it from a big box store i'm going to suggest throw a little bit of your christmas money birthday money anniversary money whatever it is at these guys take a look at what they're doing and if you like it patronize them which is a nice way of saying thank you for your service and also giving meaning to what they're doing and uh you'll be thrilled i i i've got several of your pieces it's it's it's it's just the right thing to do so merry christmas to you let's make it merry for them help them kick start this business and i'm not asking for charity but i am asking for consideration for four men that put their life on their line for 20 some odd years of their life so please um now danny's site's not up and running well danny it isn't it isn't but i don't even yeah pause on danny he's in the process of getting getting a new shop set up but you can go to the vintageveteran.com that's bob you can go to burris woodworking that's kevin and you can go to o'connor woodworking that's jeff so at least check them out for me thank you appreciate it next question frick okay next question comes from also from the chat uh clint bourgeois or hi clint uh how would you cut dovetails on all three corners if you were doing a flag case oh you know what i i've been asked this a lot i've got to figure this out because that's a tough one how uh dovetails only go together one way but there's got to be some way to figure it out i'm surprised somebody hasn't done it i'll take the challenge and see i've got a i'll put some time in on it because i've been wanting to do that but have yet to figure out how to do it so don't have the answer but stay tuned next week uh give me a second luther told me to do one here from the chat have i ever forgotten anything ken what okay um can you run and get me some christmas cards please we should have got the kids to all say merry christmas building right here oh well oh you come up with these ideas after the fact frick well i wasn't sure what they were you digging another question yeah i got one what is it james demare says hi james what is a good wood to start making boxes with pine uh pine because well yeah i was gonna say it's cheap it really isn't but it's so nice to work with and because it's nice to work with it saws easily it chisels easily providing your chisels are sharp and it's just a nice comfortable wood and especially when you're first getting going yeah pine fine cedar no pine walnut cherry any of the domestic hardwoods but i would probably start off with pine i love i love that wood and it ages better than all the rest in fact now that i mentioned that so this is bird's eye and it's gotten yellow this is a wenge and it's lost it's black color got a good mind to refinish that this is bird's eye and and kingwood and that's lost its pizza um this is maple and it's got it's yellowed i don't like it this is walnut and it's turning gray you know there's the vibrant walnut color that's inside no with no exposure to uv light and there's what happens when it is exposed that's ebony on the top that's only ever going to be black cherry cherry is nice it gets a deep uh maroon color but it will bleach out if it gets too much light but pine ah actually here's another one so here's purple heart and uh and maple and the maple's gotten yellow what they're different in the purple inside and out no front and back oh yeah this sat somewhere where light was exposed so see it's lost all of its color and that's on the back side and that's on the inside so most colorful woods don't hold the color very long it uh it fades with uv light pine just keeps getting better here's another here's a great really good example so this is walnut that has been so bleached out these dovetails are all outlined with maple at one time they stood out and you could see them now you can't even see them so another good reason there's a this is new so it hasn't had a chance to yellow but that's macassar ebony and and fiddleback maple so i haven't changed my mind pine so i want to bring your attention to this so this is kevin lasky kevin now works here with us kevin's a local carpenter also an artist at age 15 he was in a bad motorcycle accident and his mother bought him a set of paints to help him pass the time and he decided he really liked it and he's been painting christmas cards ever since and i he did all of our he did all our mess hall if you've seen all the the mash stuff in our mess hall and he's doing a big whole wall portrait of joe power who we've named our shop after joe power was my neighbor growing up uh good friends with his son murray and terry and uh joe joined the army volunteered for the canadian the royal canadian artillery in 1939 at age 16 under age fought all the way through the war mar march 10 1945 a piece a mortar came over the wall decapitated his buddy he got hit in the back of the head woke up in a hospital in england three months later paralyzed on his right side for life so i knew i knew joe and i just thought well this guy's a real hero and so we've named our our new classroom after him and that wall out there every every one of those eight-foot panels is going to depict some aspect of joe's involvement in world war ii so kevin's a great guy he's a fantastic artist and i'd asked him to repaint the art of seduction no just kidding put some clothes on it i asked him to make us a special mess christmas card so we did so if you're familiar with mash in season one there was an episode where hawkeye was dressed as santa claus for the party but a call came in there was a soldier seriously wounded in a foxhole under fire and hawkeye jumped in the helicopter and came down a rope with his kit bag to help this soldier so kevin um php'd it you see the little purple heart logo back in here and mash and these are our christmas cards they were a little late and arriving but they're here we sell them in packs of 10 and the proceed we pay kevin and the other proceeds actually most of the proceeds go to the purple heart project so if you'd like to get some they're on our website now a little late for christmas card but hey better late than never next frick uh i actually don't have any no more no more questions we are out which means more people need to subscribe to the newsletter so they get the notification and then that way they can send their questions in in advance all right but i'm out luther's trying to pick some out so i should have some in a minute well how are we doing with donations uh i'm not keeping track of those how are we doing on numbers how many people do we have 716. do you have any idea how many people are how many gifts we're giving away tonight i don't uh let me contact gina see if she's okay find out we only have 244 likes out of our seven hundred and ten viewers so if you could know a bunch of people don't like us so either hit like or don't like let us know don't sit on the fence you want to show the hand did i already show those saws last time okay well let me talk something about some of these boxes that we've done that might give you some ideas there's a few of these that i don't think i've talked about a lot so here's a bigger box and this one is made out of red oak and i used to i liked it when i could play around a little bit and this is another one of those ones where it was made out of red oak dovetailed and then sandblasted and this shows even better how with the sandblasting you erode away and it ends up looking like a piece of driftwood but then i wanted the top to be a stark contrast so this is a piece of birdseye maple now what i did for a hinge here there's a pin so there's a groove a quarter round groove cut on the top of this the back side of the lid has been rounded to match it and then there's a pin a wooden pin that goes all the way well not all the way through it goes in probably about here and that's the pivot point and i have a little leather stay so that it wouldn't the hinge it wouldn't allow the lid to go back too far and that's kicked around for a number of years i don't even know when i made it but it was fun to do we're at 2200. 2200 so we're giving away but we'll give away a bunch here's some here's some boxes we used to do uh neck is there any other there's one or two other finish ones up there if you want to there's a little ladder right right there please and thank you so when we teach the class now everybody makes a candle box now this is made out of mahogany and poplar and poplar is not a very good wood to use but it was it was an exercise and then everybody did the same thing on the bottom but then they could do whatever they wanted on the lid so i made my lid and i just done with a plane a half round instead of flat has a little bit of a rabbet all the way around there so it'll sit down in and then i just ease the edge right here so that you could get your fingers in there to grab hold of that to open it up and these are half blinds now the topic is building boxes [Music] yeah okay i will so i i used to uh i literally survived in 1987 i worked at anderson ranch arts center in aspen colorado it's actually in snowmass village i was the assistant i got to work with sam sam malouf allen peters peter corn silas cough menorah robinson tafrid all these names these were all the people who were writing the articles and fine woodworking that decade and i got to be their assistants it was incredible but what they paid me to be there was about two hundred dollars less than what our rent was and uh i was married and had we had eric at the time and this was in between my third and fourth year of university so i should be working somewhere to earn money but instead i was going into debt but i uh what i so the way i survived is uh at night i would make these boxes these little wood hinge boxes and we'd sell them off our bench and we'd sell them at galleries around aspen and trust me that was uh that was money much needed but i made this for business cards it was a simple little box there literally was no material cost because most of what this is the pieces this is made out of would have been swept up and thrown away because they were of no value because of their size but i could turn these little pieces into a neat little box that you would put business card in and what i used to do is i put leather in the bottom and i would put a ribbon and it would be tucked in here and it would run no no it started here went across the bottom and up the top so your cards would lay in the ribbon would be on the top and when you open it up you would just pull on the ribbon like that and it would lift the cards up but it was just a nice little box i always signed the bottom i haven't signed this one so as far as the wood hinge goes this used a quarter inch wood hinge ken you want to grab me a wood hinge drill kit would you please i haven't got one in here yeah you do i do yeah it's up there oh oh yeah i do i haven't i got fine thank you so this is made up of a piece of maple dowel a quarter of inch in diameter cut into one two three four five pieces and there's a little welding rod that's about a quarter of an inch long by a sixteenth inch in diameter and it's in between each joint so it doesn't go all the way through very difficult but there's a hole drilled in the end of each one of these pieces and then if you can see there's been a a radiused groove cut in the lid and also in the bottom of the box or the back of the box and you set that dowel that's been cut into pieces and then reassembled with a little pin in between each each joint and the first piece of the dowel gets glued to the bottom the next piece of dowel gets glued to the top next to the bottom top bottom you you always wax the so otherwise be in that groove before i set the dowel in i put a mark a little tick mark where each joint line is and on this side it's going to be it's going to be glued so i'll wax from that joint line from this joint line to that joint line so that that keeps this piece of the dowel moving freely in case some glue spills over squeezes over and on the top you do the opposite so you set your dowel in and i always have a pen mark or a pencil mark that i've made on the dowel before i put it back together so that after i when i reassemble it i can line up the grain that sits down in there and when you glue it you have to glue both top and bottom at the same time so then you've got the dowel protruding now stop right there for a second sometimes i leave the dowel like this i leave the dowel round on the back see that other time most times i when it's after it's dried i flush it off plane it off and if you do the job right you can make it completely disappear and i'm going to show you this example because i think this is the best one so here's one made out of walnut and you pretty much don't see the joint of the dowel until i open it up and that always surprises people and it looks really nice and clean on the inside too now the trick to that i was taught that principle back in 1986 by dale nish 1985 85 or 86 and it was uh i was just blown away by it i thought it was the coolest thing ever but i don't remember how we drilled our holes then but i know it was problematic and when i say problematic you're taking a piece of quarter inch dowel hardwood dowel usually and you're gonna try to drill a hole that's only a sixteenth of an inch in diameter and you got to put it in the dead center of this dowel well you know that little drill is going to want to follow the path of least resistance i wouldn't even attempt to do this in oak because the difference in the grain spring and summer and oak means that dowel is that little drill will never stay true but here's the jig that we made we've sold thousands of these over the years and it is called the wood hinge drill jig we sell them on our site open this up okay lots of parts and pieces so let me explain it to you so you have four different size dowels that you can use there's the quarter inch so this is the receiver quarter inch 3 8 half and three quarter now why the difference in size well on that little that little business card box i use a quarter inch when you step up to something this size which is kind of a jewelry box size i've used a 3 8 dowel i don't think i have any examples here but on furniture jewelry blanket boxes somebody asked about i would use a three-quarter inch dowel you have two receivers and each receiver one is eighth of an it has an eighth inch drill bit the other has a 16 inch drill bit so here's your here's your drill bit so you take your receiver you put your you put your drill bit in the hole and you have it protrude out the end by the amount that you want to go into the dowel so it doesn't need to be much more than that maybe just a little bit more and then there's two set screws on either side so you're going to lock it in place now i would recommend that if you're using the 16th use it with those two three eighths and the quarter and save the one inch of the eighth inch for the half inch or the three three quarter but you can mix them up regardless the reason why i recommend what i just did or what i just said is because when you flush off the back side when you clean off the back side you don't the more wood you have between the center hole and the outside of the back the stronger the joints going to be to keep that from pulling through that little piece of welding rod you put in there so if you tried to use an eight inch eight inch pin in a quarter inch you don't have much wood left so you put that together screw that on that fits into your drill and while that is spinning you take your dowel and you stick your dowel into there and the dowel first goes into that quarter inch receiver which holds it right on center as you push it further it engages the drill bit and makes it gives you a perfectly centered hole and these exit holes allow the sawdust to to uh go off to the side and you pull it out and you've got a perfectly centered hole i've got an example here somewhere and that's the key to having a successful wood hinge because as you can well imagine if you if that hole was to go off center when you lift up the lid what's going to happen is it's going to uh it's going to break because one piece wanted to go one way one piece wanting to go the other way because of the off centered hole now we just came up with a new new ken don't i have one here yes i do we have a new device this is called a bench hook and i'm gonna go a little farther in the secret of making really good wood hinges and that secret is to have minimal loss when you're separating or when you're cutting your pieces so the the if you're using a table saw you're going to lose an eighth of an inch an eighth of an inch kerf and depending on the grain and the wood that may really throw it off but so what i prefer to do is i use my joinery crosscut saw which has a 24 thou kerf and this is our this is our jig for cutting them perfectly square so this side is a quarter this side is for 3 8. and there's left hand right hand you put your dowel in there and you sink it right into that that groove and the reason you do that because there's zero this we would call this a zero clearance insert if it was a table saw but because of the zero clearance that means that the wood is well supported so your saw will just fit down there light touch now when you cut it you don't end up with any tear out on the back side and now when you put it back together you've only lost 24 thousands and that grain will line right up and you don't lose anything don't forget and don't use a pen at least don't use a pen that has a runny ink in it run your line all the way across here before you do this so that when you line it all up again everything will match now let me just show you real quick the actual drilling so i would take this and while that's spinning jake that's the one that's the one that's the dowel is a little bit bigger yeah so i've got two things to show you here i'm gonna have to clamp this in because it's okay so there's your perfectly centered hole but you notice it was a lot of friction well if we take our calipers out or a micrometer calipers a micrometer and measure it that measures 52 252 and that needs to be 250 so it was just a little bit tight so i make my own dowel and i try to get that dowel so it's 249 and at 249 it works absolutely perfectly because the problem now is because it forced into there it burnished it a little bit and it doesn't show on the backside because that's going to get cleaned off but when you lift your lid and you see the dowel on the inside you'll see those little burnished areas so you got to make perfect dowel somewhere in here i have some that i that i did write but that's the uh that's the new that just went online just this week that's the new wood hinge what do we call it wooden wood hinge bench hook ken makes those and this is the wood hinge drill jig and we also provide the dowel of the steel rod if you need it as well you can get all that stuff all right any more questions come up frick yep we got a quick question from five-year-old nora nora who is the daughter who is the daughter of uh charlie mcbride hi charlie and she wants to know what you put in all of those boxes air your hopes and dreams lots of air well i used to put little i i used to sell them i used to provide them to the province of new brunswick government agencies and i would make a little pine box about this size and you would open up and laser engraved kevin does laser engraving check that out it would be laser engraved in there and have the province of new brunswick's logo and whatever else they wanted to say and in here would be a can of silver based salmon companies not in business anymore but they were a local company that took atlantic salmon and poached it and it was delicious i don't eat that stuff anymore and then over here would be a container of maple butter now maple butter is maple syrup it's on our website that has been processed a little bit further when i say process that just means it's been cooked a little longer and it turns into this creamy delicious stuff jake who was a little boy at the time would get into the inventory maple butter and he'd get a stick of wood and he would clean them out so i'd go they were all gone i couldn't do it anymore so empty bottles of maple butter and air i just like making boxes most of them are empty them i don't know what to put in them all right this one if you can answer quickly before we wrap up rob this comes from brandon zane he's in the chat with us rob do you ever glue up a dovetail box first and then route out the groove for the bottom via a router table no only when i screw up i always do the groove first always do the groove before the assembly um i suppose you could do that but how are you going to fit the how are you going to get the lid in of course you could you could you could put it in in um what's what's the stuff called that they pack things in to keep it frozen for a long time cold uh dry ice dry ice it might shrink the wood enough that you could get it in there in place and as it warms up it'll expand i haven't tried that yet but i made a beautiful i only did this once i made a beautiful little wood hinge box i still have it somewhere not a wood inch box beautiful little dovetail box it's perfect and i put it all together before i realized i forgot to put the bottom in so disappointing anyway don't do that okay so where are we tonight for donation do we know our donations you know how many this is too hard to explain so i'm just going to ignore it who is that masked man um didn't tommy come in the back door so what are we doing for 2400. it's my phone so let's give away four so i'm going to give away two uh two cutting boards by bob the vintage veteran and i'm gonna give away two shave brushes possibly shave brush some bowls i don't know that yet don't get too excited coming in from uh from jeff so if you're ready frick i am i am ready and yeah what was our final tally how many people do we have on tonight we have uh we have 745 right now okay merry christmas folks by the way before i forget all right jake's going away jake's going to visit his in-laws for christmas so i think this is our last broadcast till after christmas that's right so the first oh yeah we got to give away oh i forgot don't forget to check out moose and all his wears at um pat secretgarden.com moose always sponsors us so we're going to give away three dead cats or three happy sweaters oh yeah three happy sweaters or three dead cats tonight so let's do that first all right first winner is bradley hoskins from tennessee bradley in tennessee brother you just won yourself a dead cat sweater or a happy sweater for your grandchildren or children next winner is ellie and stewart in alberta alien stewart in alberta i have lots of in-laws in alberta my daughters live there three of them two of them sorry they won dead cat sweater they probably want that alberta's cold but you have your choice next is dwight frank in lancaster california hey dwight congratulations your choice tell us and tell us what size gene will be in touch now the fur the next one is going to be for bob's uh drunken drunken cutting board that's the checkered one who's getting that that is going to keith co in sutton nebraska hey keith congratulations next one will be for um i don't remember which one it's made out of but they're beautiful uh jeff's shave brush oh you're gonna alternate that one's going to lena knight in canada lena yeah l e n a congratulations somewhere in canada next one is going to be bob's what's that one what's he call that one tumbling blocks the tumbling blocks that's the big one it's it's an inch and an inch and a half thick it's heavy but it's a really nice cutting board and the amount of work that goes into it is incredible who's that going to frick that's going to mike gwynne in south carolina hey mike congratulations and last will be another another shave brush from [Music] o'connor woodworking jeff o'connor who's that going to that is going to dora seeley in alabama dora or doris dora dora in alabama congratulations dora you'll love it well you're somebody i don't know do you guys you want to shave brush for under your arms or something i don't know legs hard when you have male gifts anyway merry christmas thank you for your support we appreciate it hopefully we're back on track we talked about it yesterday keeping our fingers crossed so we can run our next class in april be nice to everybody spread christmas cheer do something wonderful for somebody and don't let them know who did it have a lovely holiday season we'll see you possibly in early new year thanks for everyone to come out tonight see you [Music] [Music] you

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Published: Sat Dec 11 2021