Small Arms of WWI Primer 065: The Pedersen Device

the armistice in November of 1918 was a surprise to nearly everyone and headed off a massive spring offensive planned by the aunt aunt one that would have included a secret u.s. wonder weapon [Music] hi I'm Matthias and this is not a repeat episode this is the u.s. rifle caliber 30 model of 1903 mark 1 there's a little hole right here and we'll get into the rest now this in itself isn't all that different from our last rifle that we covered unless you combine it with an entirely different device the u.s. automatic pistol caliber 30 model of 1918 and I know this seems like an odd handgun that's because it was a super-secret so while we take a look at the light box I'm gonna stick one of these into the other one the handling isn't far off from the 1903 weighing 10 pounds flat but now shooting semi-automatically 40 rounds in the magazine that is 30 pettersen a pistol style cartridge hey and then take this doohickey and I just sort of rocking and rolling now but unfortunately we are not yet ready to talk about this gun as it stands because as usual in this show we need a little background history and for that I have to recommend that you do not go another second further unless you've watched our 1903 episode it covers all the work up to this rifle which is integral to understanding what it is that we're building around to get this new pettersen device so go check it out just in case you're super lazy this was a five shot thirty on six Mauser derived bolt-action rifle adopted by the US in 1903 and improved through the year of 1906 trusting that you have watched the required material where you can move on and this is going to be unique case because unlike so many other weapons that we've seen in this series everything about this Patterson device starts after war were declared that's right folks everything about this little doohickey came about in response to trench warfare this was an attempt to get ahead of the trend that was going on in the battlefields now in order to talk about it properly I'm going to have to walk you through some very basic trench concepts and I am NOT anything other than a small-arms historian so this is going to be very brief very simple and I know it's gonna generate a lot of comments and I invite them and you can discuss whatever you like this is like the widest possible end so you understand what they were going for when they did this so what's review you see we have this trench and those guys over there have one two we use them to keep low avoiding gunfire and hopefully the worst of artillery and mortars the land in between that's no man's land for a good reason every time we try to advance across the enemy machineguns and riflemen get to work generally this is a complete blood bath and a stalemate but if you get really good at coordination you can break up the defenses will open up with artillery just ahead of our own dudes well then keep up machine gunfire used like light artillery to saturate the area and suppress and as the advance will send up light machine guns to further suppress any more determined defenders that last roll was perfect for guns like the Shousha and B AR and we've also seen that you could in the stretch use the Lewis gun knowledgeable viewers are going to know that we are pushing up against the concept of walking fire which is very closely related to what we're dealing with today and that doctrine the idea is that you have at least a certain number of men with automatic or semi-automatic weapons with a reasonably high rate of fire within a reasonably large magazine and by the way large by comparison to what was then standard which was a bolt-action rifle with something between five and it's your French and you really want the old labelled eight shots that's not going to do a lot at close range unless you multiply it by a lot of dudes but your enemy also has a lot of dudes so concept wise you want over Wehling suppressive fire you want to throw a large volume of rounds you're not really worried about direct hits but what you want to do is just keep everybody still long enough for you to get into that trench line and do some more damage now that concept was being pushed by the US before their involvement in the war itself they were wondering if there's anything they could do to gear up for this eventualities and so we turn to John Moses Browning surprised he had been developing an idea for a fully automatic 18 inch barreled carbine using souped-up 32 acp ammo in 100 or 200 round magazines I'm sorry I don't have a picture of this thing nor do I know any drawings of it he showed the plans for the design to the Ordnance Department in January of 1917 where one official described a device that would shoot bullets like a stream from a water hose the one thing you learn in life is that you cannot change the past which is unfortunate because we were apparently somewhere in one alternate timeline going to get a submachine gun with 32 acp plus B plus and minimum hundred round mags designed by John Browning and then we didn't I'm very sorry I understand that this would have been the scene Arsenal fan favorite of all time but it did not come about so instead we are going to turn to our other favorite designer one that we talked about in previous episodes John Douglas Patterson if you've been paying attention the show you've seen this guy in our model 10 shotgun episode and I've taken to calling him the emcee Esher of guns you know you're doing something right when you're at John Browning's favorite designer now Patterson had been running his designs through Remington and during the war he saw an opportunity to increase the u.s. firepower without adding a whole other firearm to the mix it would just create an insert to convert the full powered bolt-action 1903 into a pistol cartridge for Peter with a massive magazine capacity because of the secrecy around the project I do not have an actual date for when this was conceived as a matter of fact the patent got pushed back as well see so I'm going to have to tell you that sometime in 1916 before the u.s. is active involvement this was the idea that and had and he kept it very close to the chest as did the remington brass as a matter of fact it was pretty much pettersen a handful of high officials at remington and then oliver h Loomis who was very helpful for refining Petterson designs into actually fitting in three-dimensional space these guys were the core of it until they cooked up a cartridge that they could use at which point they had to involve the ammunition production side of the company and swear them to secrecy that puts us into a very cool little 30 caliber pistol cartridge 30 Pettersen this would later be adopted as caliber 30 Auto pistol ball cartridge model of 1918 it was an 80 Greene semi pointed bullet being thrown 1,300 feet per second it was expected to be lethal out to 500 yards this proved however to be a bit enthusiastic the cartridge would be produced by the Remington UMC Bridgeport Factory and the earliest head stamps were nine-millimeter bs while this was explained as browning short we're betting it was an inside joke as the whole project was still a secret at this point all right we've got the gun we've got the ammo and magazine system it's all sorted out it's ready to rock and roll and win a war but we need to tell the government about it and we need to tell them quietly so that the Germans don't know that means they send two representatives essentially down to DC probably Pettersen and WHMIS themselves and they knock on the door of the chief of the small arms division sometime in spring of 1917 there they arranged to have a little demonstration with as few officials as possible and let me just go ahead and foreshadow something it always goes well in ordinance circles when almost nobody knows what's happening and we do not properly trial a weapon okay just fair warning now take a moment and pretend you're one of those officials I can't okay just leave it things together all right so you're one of those officials you're told hey you're going to a secret showing please don't tell anybody that you're going to this thing definitely don't mention wonder weapon Yatta Yatta remington right so you're probably a little excited I mean this is gonna be like super secret war stuff that gonna win everything and then some dude walks out and he's got a belt on with all these pouches and he's got one of these babies at least here I let Springfield 1903 bolt-action rifle and he starts whipping out 30.6 cartridges and fires five downrange lickety-split you've seen this though I mean it's nothing that any rifleman can't do in your current army I mean this is this is the point at which you're thinking big friggin wolf as a matter of fact let me set this up for you so you have just watched someone fire off five rounds of 30.6 boom boom boom bolt open right big whoop is what you're thinking your mind and then all of a sudden something funky happens he whips the bolt right of the action and throws it in his pocket no I'm gonna put it on the desk and then from his other pocket he pulls out I don't even know what they thought this was going to be probably a medical instrument and then he shoves it straighten the back the action throws down the lever from another pocket he pulls out this magazine shoves it in the gun you have no idea what's going on remember you have no concept of what's going on then he racks that back sets it on the shoulder and proceeds to as fast as he can and highly accurately with no recoil and almost no noise put out 40 rounds of some light cartridges boom boom boom boom boom boom boom I mean boom 40 rounds right and then before you can say anything he whips the mag out tosses it aside and grabs another one throws it in racks it and does it again 40 rounds you've just seen 80 rounds go downrange out of a standard US rifle in seconds that to the few people who were gathered was absolutely astounding it looked like Patterson had turned the average infantryman into a lone machine gunner there were however concerns about performance this was after all a simple pistol cartridge remember thirty-aught-six was a long-range heavy hitter and its design included the ability to penetrate light cover steel armor things like that to that effect it could pierce six inches of wood within 200 yards 30 Paterson can only penetrate 8 inches at the same distance but here's the thing people are a little softer than wood and 8 inches of penetration is still pretty good at short range it's not gonna be a big problem and not only that but this thing has almost no recoil and you get 40 rounds you have a lot of chances to ventilate some poor sucker if they don't go all the way through that's his problem not yours you see the expectation was that you could use your regular bolt to snipe away at long range then for attack swamp in your Pettersen device and load your 40 round mag this was expected to be good up to 500 yards so rush and clear the enemy line with rapid fire then swap back to your long range if and when desired so that means we get to keep all our bolt-action Betty in 30.6 and we still get this steaming semi-automatic in a 30 pistol cartridge for the cost of not a lot of weight I mean you're looking at like 10 12 pounds of additional gear in order to carry one of these and check this out this was the plan to mag pouches five mags per pouch 4-0 40 rounds per mag that is a ton of ammo to carry with you and that expectation was that you could then use a lot of it to get to the trench and then once you were in the trench you had plenty left over to defend it from the probable immediate counter-attack so don't forget that's a big concept of the trenches you got to get there and hold it well we're looking a siege of Pleven a situation where once you're there some of your guys will be switched out to their pet arsons and some of them will be switched out to their 30.6 and that gives you some long-range hard-hitting fire and when they close the gap you can open up with the good old semi-automatic short-range pistol style cartridge all right we're back at that demonstration we can't go to trials but we got to show it to somebody that knows what's up so they taking one captain Beattie and a young Julian as Hatcher and they swear him to secrecy and send them off with a few representatives from Remington to France now I believe Peterson was among them I saw notes that he proved to go but it doesn't mean that he actually went it was just approved to go he probably went anyway they put it on display for none other than Pershing himself along with select officers and by the way this is the man who refused the Lewis gun once it was ready and available in theatres all right so of course when he took one look at this thing he said I've got to have a million of them they're amazing and I love it maybe not quite those words but he really did enjoy this as the new Wonder weapon and so they would put in an order for 100,000 u.s. automatic pistol caliber 30 model of 1918 wait what a pistol Patersons device had already been developed in secrecy so why not keep it that way there was no need for anyone to know that the US was about to have overwhelming firepower that's right this little doohickey buried in this gun is a pistol at least that's what we're gonna call it so the baddies don't find out all right since it's just a rifle let's set it back to rifle and I'll tell you that right about now there was some controversy because as far as people knew the US had just adopted a new 30 caliber pistol and we're spending a lot of money on it we already have the 911 we already have some arrangements with Colton Smith & Wesson that we'll talk about later and as far as the u.s. is concerned we're allergic to anything under 45 and probably for semi-good reasons nobody wanted a 30 caliber pistol and so these guys that were defending a secret actually took a lot of heat and had to quietly be like no of course it's a xxx cup what are you talking about it's a great idea they had to actively defend what is probably the worst sounding idea and the whole time they must've been going red behind the ear it's just irritated I find that part of sorry really kind of funny now we are finally at the adoption of this particular system so we can finally take a closer look so I'm gonna bring this guy down and then I'm also gonna go ahead and grab my 1903 and I'm gonna set him in here just as well all right right off the bat donk right off the bat these are nearly identical you're gonna see a blued finish on this one that's just a slight difference you know these could've been blue - Parker eyes of the war what we really care about is that there's really no external difference at a glance so it'd be pretty hard to figure out what was going on with this gun unless you spun it around so let's work on that nothing like a good juggling act gentlemen I am getting very handy at this process so back in toy we have the regular 1903 here no changes up front in the sights nothing in the stocking but instead pay attention here pay attention to the back of the cutoff those are gonna be your two visual clues from mark one rifle ten Phenom we have this cutaway to serve as an ejection port for the pedestal device more on that in a moment and then you can kind of see that there's just a difference in the setup the cutoff if you really look down in there we're going to have a notch so right back in there and I'm going to have to reach for the good old patented plastic right down way down in there see that guy that's important more on that in a moment that's it for external features but there's a couple little internal changes that I want to be able to show you someone get this other gun out of the way oh there we go I'm gonna take this bolt up so flip out and down now you have to look carefully but you're going to see in here a little crab like pincher as I pull the trigger that little piece going forward that is going to be the secondary sear specific to the Pettersen device so let's get a look at that action and by the way if you have a mark 1 rifle chances are you have a regular magazine cutoff and a regular seer in there go ahead and check just to be sure so cutter some device that's pretty wild-looking and if you didn't get a good look at it you might not know what it is although a lot of sort of sub-caliber systems today look a lot like this because it's the same concept you'll notice right off the bat that the section here looks just like a 30.6 cartridge and it has to because that's how this whole thing aligns in the chamber now given each individual gun there's going to be a little bit of depth difference in the setup and so this whole thing has to have adjustable headspace not internally not headspace for the pistol this whole thing has to act like a giant cartridge with adjustable head space to fit into the rifle so that we don't end up with a gap where it locks in so that it doesn't hammer itself back out of the action crack parts that sort of thing so that adjustment is done up here now I don't have the wrenches with me but there's a set of wrenches for this where you would hold on to the upper portion this is an ox form here and then you would hold on the lower portion of what you do is you get this guy loose you set this to the correct depth and then you tighten this back down now a little looseness while we're demonstrating the gun not a big deal but when we go to fire it we want to make sure that this is exactly right there's actually ordnance reports of this part being maladjusted causing this little bag back here to fail and that's the next most interesting part of the whole system that is the only thing holding the action in the gun that little guy right there I went over this thing twice because I couldn't really believe it and yeah there's some pressure coming from the sear and stuff like that but reasonably the only locking surface is that which is hitting that magazine stop it's a good thing that this is a low recoil system okay so overall this is a semi-automatic so it's a sliding bolt I don't wanna get it all the way back because we can only return it to the action with it decock so I don't want [ __ ] it out of the action just doesn't seem necessary and then when we want to fire it this right here is what is known as the rocker that's going to be where our internal sear on the gun catches you'll see more of this in the animation but pushing that forward not in is what's going to tip the sear back and allow that firing pin forward otherwise pretty straightforward system now I know a lot of you are excited to get into this so I'm gonna take it apart let's take a look alright so here is our bare section and this is a barrel this is not smoothbore and there's a deep shank on there now that is rifled and this is a very easy to fail part if you don't have it set up correctly for the system that you're using it in now the bolt face is also pretty interesting but it's gonna take us a moment to get there so there's a plunger here depressed and twist and let me tell you working on this thing I have become an expert of reassembling these as I take this off you're going to see that we have a buffer spring all right we have a central rod there's two Springs on here this spring and plunger the outer section they power the bolt body there what's actually throwing the bolt body back forward and back into battery this inner spring here that's powering our firing pin all right so we will carefully remove the system I'm gonna go ahead and get this plunger out of the way so that it doesn't get lost and spring and then I pull back gently on this action what you're gonna see is basically an attempt at a waterfall or sorry a water fountain this guy pops up on his own and that's because the entire time that this system has been in play the bolt body is holding this timing lever down okay so the bolt buddy wants this lever to be downward this lever wants to come out word and so then access the disconnect because until we are in battery this cannot relax enough for this to come out and engage the sear again much more visible in the animation in a moment I can lift out probably the most complicated part in the whole thing which is the rocker arm assembly which has a rocker an arm a plunger and a coil spring all set down there again Bruno had his hands full with this everybody thanked Bruno now pull out this the timing lever which is basically the disconnect but we can't call it a disconnect because we already we don't want to have to Sears and to whatever so the gun although disconnect isn't really the biggest thing in a bolt-action rifle it's better just to name everything to this system it's also really good at obscuring what we're doing in manufacturing now I'm gonna pull the bolt body free and then I can remove this guy who acts as our stop and sort of walking lug and he just needs a little wiggling he's free this is it this is the locking surface for the entire system this thing is Ross rifle terrifying to me but the recoil so low I guess it's not a big deal I'm actually gonna go and return that part right back there so I don't say it out of my own sight all right so now we have the bolt body and then this section here is just wait it's just so that you can get a grip on the action and to add mass to the whole system just like that forward mass on the drive is a pistol that we saw in a previous episode if we flip her over we're gonna get the firing pin out or technically strike her in this case she's set up nice and simple now at the face just a regular extractor we have two notches here for the alternating rounds of ammo as they come into the system and we have two gas escapes both of which vent unusually towards the magazine side so when you see this fired in a moment you're going to see some gas escape that is the fact that we over lubricated the system to keep it safe and then we heated up the lubricant and then it all got pushed out the magazine which was just probably the most horrifying thing I've ever seen by an intentional design it still terrifies me but that's how the gun is set up all right that is the entirety of the petition device now a lot of you are thinking this is fairly simple except for the you know complex ear shapes but I'm gonna tell you just from a design standpoint the fact that everything is set up on this in like two sets of balanced Springs means that if anything goes wrong with these Springs this system isn't gonna run very well and it's going to be very sensitive to the ammo load so variances in wartime ammo are going to play Mary heck with a gun like this now I've gotten this all apart for you and I guarantee you what you want to see is it in the action a little bit more detail about the magazine so I'm gonna reassemble it which I never do in this series but this has to go back together in a pretty specific order and just in case anybody ever happens to find one these again I don't want them to make a mistake with it so you get to enjoy me doing something in Reverse so we've got our body oh and while we're here actually it should say head space is set by the fact that this is very deeply nested and literally the head space is just that just that contact so there's no adjustment there's no walking it back if these parts start to where you're gonna have to replace them because that is it because the whole thing has to be able to move back and forth to head space into the rifle itself there's no adjustment here all right so let me get this back together for you guys firing pin can go ahead and go straight into that bolt body drop or all the way down and then we can go ahead and insert this into the action when we do there's some there's a cut on the underside of the bolt body you want to make sure you align that at the front so that you can get the rocker in now the rocker has a notch well actually has more of a half-circle cut and then a notch half circle cut goes to the front pin rock it back press it in now you should have clearance at the back if you walk it back just a little bit to get the timing lever in and then hooked back up so it goes in deep and then you pull it back towards you and forward and now the timing lever is there hold it with your thumb or it'll go flying and then when you push the bolt into battery now the rocking let the timing lever is held by the bolt body and then the rocker is held by the timing lever so none of this will go flying as long as you don't let it pull too far back out the action from here that part alone is like a Chinese finger trap you just have to know which to do in what order and to take advantage of that cut otherwise you're sitting there were these parts in place trying to shove the bolt body back in it doesn't work ask me how I know in a field with a tarp all right so we have our plunger that we can go ahead and set back in here so that we don't forget because I always do then we have our buffer spring and we have our spring system and if you just give it a little wiggle shell line herself just fine give her a good press in to make sure that she's actually clear and she is then we can go ahead and put our cap on push our plunger I'm sorry guys it's hard to do this on camera and so I'm holding the plunger down and turning this I'm sorry my big hands in the way let me give you a little bit of you I'm mostly just trying to keep anything from flying so in and then all it is is a matter of screwing our barrel back and adjusting it for headspace I can eyeball basically where it needs to be again we'll get a nice fine adjustment on this before we hit the range that is our system now at this point I'm going to tell you I've made one critical mistake which is that I don't know why I have my firing pin in first I'm sorry the critical mistake would be adding the firing pin later because then you have it in the cocked position you'll have to manually decock it before you can put in the action all right so I can finally return this to the proper gun so let's take this in get her back all right this is the magic moment take this guy lower them in there flip my lever that's going to engage that little walk with that notch the most terrifying ly small surface you could imagine and we're set we just need to insert our magazine it's speaking of which this is it right here now these guys are let me give it a little space 40 rounds with five round increment windows they have this beautiful embossing so that you have a good texture for holding on to them and it adds some strength to the body in addition this Ridge right here exists only on the back side it's flat on the front so that you can grab it get a thumb on there and even in low-light know which side to point back at yourself I find that is easiest to load these you know upside down hand in back forward rattle now I'm going to show you that again in close-up so let's get it down and we'll take a look we'll take this out and back so that was the reverse what we're looking to do is there's two fingers here seem we're gonna bit these guys lip over this Y shape here there's another Y shape at the front that engages on those two claws so to insert I'm sorry I'm trying to get just the right angle and still see what I'm doing we got a game here and believe me there's no macro motion to this this is a micro this is a fine adjustment not gross adjustment maneuver it's a little unfortunate because it just takes a little bit more fiddling than you would hope so we got a better sort of wind up on there when there's ammo I will tell you it's a little bit worse because you have to push down against the ammo so line her up push her back so they came back push her in at the front letter for bra holding her against the bolt and that's it she's in and that with extra ammo in it seems so like not the strongest walking mechanism but it does work alright so there's our magazine we feed down and into the chamber and then we eject Oh over on the other side and I will say from a mud perspective that's pretty closed up there's not a lot of openings to really get at the semi-automatic part of this gun I mean if we take the mag out we can see the bolt coming back and forth but otherwise not so much and speaking of that I want to show you our ejector is the firing pin so as we come back that internal rod will press the firing pin forward and of course it's forward already right now let me get this to full [ __ ] so now she's caught so as we come back eventually we'll have our firing pin peek out and that acts as our ejector so just Boop right there eject I'm gonna tell you injection on this gun is not super reliable because it really doesn't get directed as well as you'd hope it's more central poke and it could go either way and it relies on the fact that there's a cartridge in this magazine so we found that when this thing was empty it would often Jam up on the last round because it was random whether it got out of the gun or not okay we know I've had a very good look at the system I think there's more data on it out there now than there ever was before and a lot of this I want to say special thanks to British can feel he wrote the book on u.s. ordnance so far not just the book but the books and so if you see a British can fill book please pick it up he has absolutely been an inspiration of the show and he was kind enough to lend us a Pettersen device so that is a man who is not only dedicated to preserving history himself but allowing others to preserve it as well beautiful beautiful man but let's talk about the gun it's time to turn this over to Bruno and enjoy his hours of frustration as he animates out the Pettersen device first things first this is still in 1903 firing thirty-aught-six [Music] but if we flip the magazine cut off just so and release the bolt we can now insert the pettersen device [Music] slap all the magazine [Music] rack that bolt [Music] and we're good to go this is a blowback semi-automatic action the requisite mass is gathered on the bolt body itself to the rear [Music] when we pull the mark-1 trigger it tips a smaller seer forward [Music] this engages the rocker arm the rocker arm in turn acts like another seer freeing in the striker the timing lever acts as a distant holding the rocker assembly up when the bolt is out of battery to keep things simple the striker also serves as the ejector [Music] all right otherwise this is pretty straightforward so let's wrap it up and get it over to me [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] ooop you and it's not much louder than that this thing is quiet we did not adjust the balance between the 30.6 and the 30 patter saying we wanted you to have the full effect fantastic isn't it now this particular gun was ordered in March of 1918 that's how long it took for everybody to review this is enthusiasm from the government still takes that long to get the actual order in hundred thousand at first this was later raised to one hundred thirty three thousand four hundred fifty also don't forget from our previous episodes there is a more common u.s. rifle the model 1917 I'm sorry to say I do not have an example for what you're expecting next but yes they did work up a Pettersen for the 1917 this would be the mark two rifle and device roughly three hundred fifty thousand would be ordered but never saw mass production ordnance believe that each one of these devices was going to need about five thousand rounds of ammo average of a hundred a day in their estimates for fighting margin of error yada-yada plus and minus this ends up working up to a contract for eight million rounds all them to be supplied by Remington at Bridgeport along with the device because realistically Ileana was full like they were already making a lot of other stuff for the war like the 1917 we saw there at production capacity it's time to expand the existing ammunition factory that means that every one of these little guys comes out of Bridgeport now all of the Marquand rifles would be produced at Springfield Armory and while they were not sequential we know that the first one was serial number 1,034,000 503 now as we've seen in this show before tool up and manufacture takes time so when you say you have to expand an ammunition factory and recruit labor under secrecy to produce a weapon that needs to integrate with another weapon so it's really fine adjustment well that's gonna be pretty difficult and so Remington at Bridgeport went scrambling the government authorized five hundred thousand dollars in assistance for getting a up and running this had to be radically expanded it we keep growing until over six million and that's even including Remington making use of manufacturing tools that were abandoned essentially when the French and the Russians gave up their contracts on certain rifles that they were producing for them it was very expensive to expand that facility and part of that number of it seems really ludicrous is because they were also expanding to produce the Browning automatic rifle so with all the hiccups and things production really doesn't start rolling until sometime around December of 1918 there's examples available in 1917 a couple dozen maybe but we're really not honed in on the gun just yet and to be fair that's acceptable because the order from the start was we don't want a piecemeal we need the minimum 50,000 ready to go or else we're not sending out a single one because the idea is that we don't anybody know they exist until it's too late and then we're going to throw them out in a big ol wave and surprise the Germans and as part of that the US was planning on using this device in the spring of 1919 because every year as winterfell the war slowed down and people stopped pushing around as much and then when it thought out and the ground became firm again it's time to March and that was going to be the time when they unleashed their combined arms tactics along with these little wonder weapons and that would have been a beautiful plan if not for the fact that armistice were declared [Music] [Applause] without a war to fight the government didn't really have a lot of interest in secret weapons anymore especially spending millions of dollars on them so that 1917 mark 2 that vanished the order for 130,000 these guys turned into an order for a little over 65,000 and then the rifle production this is very curious the Petterson devices this the 65 66 thousand from Remington they were ready by spring of 1919 they were already on the path Remington wanted them done the mark 1 rifles to be produced by Springfield I don't know if they would have met their projected date because when the government slows something down they slow it down there is no investment in hurrying anymore so they would produce their rifles much more slowly and interestingly they just kept producing them they made 150,000 plus mark one rifles for the petición device they had 65,000 mark one Patterson devices I'm gonna say this seems to be one there's times where there's two sides of what's going on and they don't know what the other ones doing a very common government slash private contract thing and we see it time and time again in this episode because we're gonna see the secrecy last longer than the will to actually use this for anything reasonable government work right anyway the whole thing gets mothballed actually around 1920 because Springfield's still producing these rifles until then so that's when everything sort of goes into storage more importantly to Remington they wanted that patent button-down it had been postponed for secrecy but now the war was over they wanted to hit the international market to make up real money they're not getting it from the US anymore but the government kept stalling again over the secrecy in the end they got their patent approved three years late and the government's still kind of sat on them and said come on guys keep on the down-low we don't want everybody knowing about these things so they didn't have a lot of chance to market them internationally because they didn't want to tick off a big old US that's problematic for Remington they have investment in the stay of time in this they'd like to make money on it and they think it's the next big deal I mean it was going to be a superweapon now it's nothing anyway they turned back to the US and said Lord you want to buy us out of all future profits on this thing you want the whole kit and caboodle to keep us shut up and to have the device and all the rights to it whole bag 50 million dollars and the US has accountants they laughed at that one for quite some time and paid like nothing still there was a profit to be made especially by Patterson he was paid $100,000 for his license to Remington half of which from the company and the other half from the US government directly he also received a royalty of $1 for each device sold in the US and would have had one and a half dollars for any foreign sales plus a penny for each magazine now the US government had promised Remington a $2 profit on each one of those devices and three cents on the magazine I believe now that was a profit that was guaranteed not the entire price because at that time they wanted to keep it quiet and getting rolling so they didn't bother to say how much is it they just said throw $2 on whatever it takes to make it the problem is they started arguing about start-up costs like I said earlier those rows to Remington's estimations of 6 million I know I saw memos of the US government trying to pay out 3 million to Remington at some point again this is Harry I don't know because everything was so clutch rush I haven't found a paper trail that says how much the u.s. actually paid to help with the startup and again a lot of that is blended into the production of the Browning automatic rifle which was also important for the war at that time so yeah anyway now the US government has 65,000 Pettersen devices in more than a nutball not at first more than half rifles but they were on the path to more than enough rifles what the heck are they gonna do with them without a ward fight well they were immediately retested in France again select officers and secrecy one naval representative based in London had great difficulty finding the demonstrations as they were so well obscured that no one knew what the heck he was talking about when he tried to show up also there was some additional testing by the US cavalry and infantry' boards at home the overall consensus on the device it was just too much effort and expense in order to get an advantage over a very niche position on a certain type of battlefield the boards felt that no-man's and fighting began at 400 to 600 yards but the Paterson was only good up to 350 at a stretch with actual testing that meant you had to swap the bolt while under fire yeah that pause in fighting without cover in the middle of a battlefield let me tell you you're wasting time already fiddling with it under fire that's going to cut down on the benefit of the rapid fire later in addition the number of men who get killed doing that is going to cut down your overall firepower and efficiency and morale for the unit so not a good combo in addition that extra weight yeah sure it's not even 15 pounds with all the gear but it still in addition to everything else and we already have pretty heavy men we don't want to have to weigh them down if we don't have to stack on to it the fact that the bean counters and tactician 'z were both worried about the fact that there's going to be a bunch of the east laying all over the battlefield as you tried to play hot potato between your two systems again now realizing that you're gonna mostly be under fire the entire thing is geared specifically to trench warfare by the way it's not that applicable in any other sort of combat environment because at that point you could just substitute this out for a submachine gun which are new but around and then that trigger that trigger is atrocious you're going across to Sears essentially but a big transfer bar in Springs it's like 22 pounds and gritty and so that's no bueno now Springfield would experiment and get it down to like twelve point five after the war but that's also after this testing and it still wasn't enough to really improve all the other problems and then like the last little thing you're using this at close range this magazines wiggling around everywhere and you're probably going to want to do some bayonet fighting on the side and that makes it kind of hard to handle the gun and use the bayonet they noted it I don't think that one's nearly as big a deal as some of the others now in testing ammunition for this gun cuts both ways light accurate easy sustained fire lots of capacity at low weight it's good right and it's certainly we already debated whether or not we'll kill a guy it'll kill a guy but it's fine right one problem this goes kind of the harley-davidson theory of warfare which is that you want them to hear you coming walking fire is set up to be suppressive so you want it to be scary for the enemy bang bang bang goes the gun not pew pew pew and then that ammo it should crack right by your ear so you don't want to put your head up anymore and you'd really like to hear ding off somebody's helmet or rather through it right next to somebody so they go ahead and get the message and keep their head down well these little cartridges are not intimidating not at the far end not at the shooters end and so they felt like this would be a terrible walking fire gun it just wouldn't suppress and that's not unreasonable what is unreasonable is that they were very worried about the fact that you were not going to be able to do much damage to an airplane with this gun I don't know why they thought that they were supposed to be able to do damage to an airplane with the standard bolt-action rifle either but that was the thought I mean I guess at least 30 out 6 could theoretically get up there but I wonder how many confirmed kills there are on that seems like a little bit of an overreach all the theoretical concerns aside I have some practical work with this gun and the beautiful unicorn in my hands to my mind is absolutely terrible unfortunately this just doesn't seem like a powerhouse of a weapon and reliability to me especially without trials or anything else I feel like they might have missed the mark and that comes off the fact that we've done a lot of work to get this one up and running and in that regard I want to say by the way thank you because we had a sample size of more Pettersen z-- than I think anybody has managed because we were able to get in contact with our friends at Springfield our friends at the knight museum at the NRA museum we had more sample data for Patterson's than anybody in a long time and what we walked in on was the fact that this is such a delicate balance of Springs and parts that yes it probably ran just fine when correctly assembled right at the beginning but the idea that this was going to sustain itself in a battlefield environment and not walk out on so many occasions was frankly a little bit insane and so some of you are going but I just saw you fire off 40 rounds on range I'm gonna be dead honest with you the longest streak we had was 12 shots that was it the longest we could get this thing to do in a row and that was a lot of tinkering that video was done for your pure enjoyment because there were so many jams in between different shots and so let's have a little truth in meteor I'm sorry that we lied just a bit with that presentation but at least you know the truth now and again part of that though was trying to account for the fact that we did have a few replacement parts going in this gun and we wanted to give it the best chance of displaying how it should have worked and there's plenty of proof of these things running for hundreds and thousands of rounds and endurance testing but speaking of that when these guys came back because it's a shipment at least made it to France right I'm not sure how many were in it but I know at least 50 some-odd were tested when they came back endurance test through the early 20s showed consistent problems number one when they came back they were covered in rust like there was just unavoidable rust the system is not apparently rust proof in any way once they got to cleaned up and started firing them they had all sorts of broken arms and bent pins and stretching and walking out of headspace and things like that but a couple other things sort of came in pretty consistently one if you do not adjust the headspace of the device to the gun properly and you can see there's a little play in this one right now you take care of wigglin that's because I just put this back into the studio it's not properly adjusted at this moment there's enough room in there enough slack that when the device first fires it has an air gap so that it can hammer on that locking piece and that is going to crack in addition they had the angle cut wrong on the rocker arms for a while this one's later production actually has the solution built in but the earlier ones not so much they'd be adjusted back if they were going to be issued they could beat themselves to death internally again all the springs are so delicately balanced that any variation amo is going to be a big problem and frankly the way that the internal Springs are set up after my own personal analysis you have to a sort of thin long draw spring that's the kind of spring that over time is going to be less capable of pushing itself back out thicker shorter coil tends to last a little more well a little longer and it tends to be what we see in farms you don't tend to see these sort of long stretched out Springs like you see in you know cheap Chinese consumer products right but that's what's in this thing originally is a slightly narrower slightly more so it's not outside the realm of firearms technology it's just you would prefer it to be the other way but that would mean adding a little extra length to the system which means getting into the shooters face so they couldn't do it it's the sort of give-and-take of a system like this but that ultimately means that it's not super reliable I have personal problems with the magazine retention I think it's very weak I think it's very prone to damage overall I'm gonna have to say that the Patterson was not going to be the Wonder weapon that the US hoped for and might have even been a tactical disaster on the battlefield now an example of something done right is what the Germans came up with a tube that shoots 9 millimeter at full auto a very compact simple submachine gun turns out pistol ammo can be a good thing if you do it right so we take all those woes and we bag them up and now this dream of a better future turns into a feverish nightmare of what the heck do we do with this thing and so the government was left sitting on 65 thousand of these and trying to decide exactly where to put them what if we kept them in reserved for riot duty that seems a bit much a sample made to Panama in 1920 had the commanding general in favor of them but we're not sending secret weapons to Panama yes they're still secret how about just a gallery practice rifle nope they're too different from a regular rifle it's gonna confuse the dum-dums ok fine can we at least improve on these things by changing up the ammo tests were done in the early 1920s usually focused on getting up to 1500 feet per second but this always meant having to lengthen the case and ditch the current standing production one version of the original case with a 90 green bullet would however be used in a prototype Remington military rifle built specifically to act as a high-capacity compact lightweight pistol carbine this was pursued for a few years but ultimately dropped however it's likely this browning 1830 named probably because of its design in 1918 in caliber 30 kept the 30 Pettersen lineage alive long enough to hand it over to the French who would adapt and adopt it as ammunition for their next pistol with minor changes so they all sat in loft balls where they'd been packed in after the endurance testing in 1922 sat packed away sweet little military secret now there was an inventory from that period so we basically know what was available sixty-six thousand three hundred fifty five devices 150 thousand nine hundred twenty seven rifles as of this date sixty thousand four hundred semi six scabbards 1 million five hundred eighty thousand two hundred thirty one magazines and an imperial but ton of ammunition and so that's where everything's sat until March of 1931 when it was finally Declassified it's offered over to the Navy and Marines if they wanted it they said no and in April nearly all of it was destroyed and I mean almost entirely all a few choice examples were taken to the side and the rest of it was melted down d-stroid gone oh except for the rifles the rifles were still valuable they stayed in storage for a little while but starting in 1937 they were converted over to the standard 1903 pattern that means removing the special magazine cut off the special extra seer in there and during being replaced with normal parts those guys went back out for regular service so that makes this setup an extremely rare bird these are very very uncommon and we were very lucky to borrow this one alright I've kind of crapped on this a bit so let's go ahead and see if may agrees or disagrees with me on how she felt using the Pettersen alright we made room for Mei who is currently going through second puberty because of oh come on it's not that bad it's a little bit I'm afraid she's just recovering from a cold we have stretched it so the last possible moment so that she could get her throat back and this is as far as we made it but this shows got to get done we're doing it guys anyway we're here to talk about the Patterson device and so I'm gonna turn this over to you thanks and I guess instead of our usual organ omics let's first talk about what it's like to swap between the bolt and the device off that belt because this is the first time we've really involved gear but we kind of had to otherwise there's no other way to talk about the system because it's it's it's a it's a part of the process for getting the Patterson together so it had to be done right the idea is not to have a Patterson device instead of another gun it's two guns in one so we have to do this sort of two car a transformer modification on the fly so what was it like getting a 1903 into Patterson configuration it wasn't actually as bad as I thought it was going to be you have to put the mag cutoff in to the middle position in order to pull the bolt out leave it in that position in order to put the Patterson device in and realistically it just it's kind of naturally goes in straight like I thought maybe it was gonna cap some snacks or maybe it was got the wig a little bit no that was actually a very smooth process popping it in there and it's a positive fit you flip the mags cut off down and then from there she's good to go like honestly that wasn't that bad in the magazine though you that's all looking a little bit difficult I mean they were nice enough to put ridges on the side so I can easily feel it in the dark there's a nice ridge on the back of the magazine too so I can tell which is the front and which is the back hint ridges are always in the back and then loading it you know guys we actually got to handle this at Springfield we went up to the Springfield Museum up in Massachusetts and I was able to practice this loading it without any rounds in honestly I found it easy tried it again when we got to handle it a second time I honestly still found it easy putting rounds in is an entirely different matter I mean you can see how simple this is right now I could do this every day I might even potentially be able to do it in the dark but when there's rounds in there you're having to fight that spring you essentially have to push down pull back scooch it forward wiggle it to make sure it stays into place I mean I'm doing the hokey-pokey here with a magazine it's ridiculous you have to go through a whole rigmarole process and I don't remember which way it was if it was with the round on the left or the right side of the mag but certainly there was one way like if it was I think the left side I think was when the round was and you tried to put it in it was even more difficult like you really have to give it a positive push and keep pushing in as you were pushing the mag forward and you always got to make sure that you wiggle it that it is in place because if you don't like unlike other magazines that we've had before off to do is pop them on the bottom just to double-check they're in with this one no you got to give it a positive wiggle and make sure that it is snug in there otherwise you really honestly don't know and even the best of us we thought we checked ourselves and sure enough the mag wasn't all the way seated and it's not going to chamber rounds that way it's just not gonna work but yep popping the Bolton not a big problem actually handling the magazine big problem I am going to have to agree may I borrow that yeah so here's what it comes down to a lot of you guys with more modern rifles understand that gross manipulation the ability to sort of toss something in flared magwell things like that and have the gun direct the action for you that's what you want in a sort of in combat service weapon you want gross manipulation of a magazine in order to load the very nature of these two fingers means that we have to align the magazine across two points as we set it in and that usually means I notice a bit described but it usually means setting the magazine deep at the center then that aligns it to the two sides pull back tip in push forward while still keeping pressure inwards on the gun that is all while unloaded with it loaded we not only have fine manipulation that we have to do but we have fine manipulation under tension we have to finally press that in there it's going to be out of round left or right depending on which way the stack popped and then we're going to push that in till it's even now we have a round that's either to the left or to the right it wants to make this it off-center from the available space against the bolt except for this little notches that kind of help well that means it wants to roll one way or the other as we press down we don't want it to roll we want it to touch down on the metal the magazine and it's a feeling that you have to get used to it's not absolutely intuitive right at the beginning this is not as simple as tossing in like an AR nak mag you have to look almost every time I don't know that you could do this in the dark with ammo loaded so you would have to look position push back push in push forward then wiggle you can't tap you can't slam there's nothing to sort of quick check it you have to check it by just sort of wiggling it and if that's correct great and if it's not it pops out you start the whole thing over again yeah whereas with the tap if it's not all the way in the tap puts it all the way in so there's a lot of extra motion that goes into making sure that this magazine is secured which is ridiculous it takes a lot yeah it's it's very interesting I mean I'm not saying like granted I'm complaining at a problem that somebody else solved maybe there's an easier way to do this I'm not the engineer in this case I'm just speaking to the truth of how difficult it is to get the magazine seated in this gun versus the whole action just slides right in with or without a mo the whole thing's perfect just to get the actual like semi-automatic pistol system into the rifle anyway let me get this back into your hands sure and then now that we have it in the gun does this really change their economics of the 1903 for you it's about a pound maybe a pound and a half heavier than 1903 but the weight is actually not bad it's still all right here so the distribution on that it's pretty easy to get used to and interestingly enough even though the magazine is sticking out this far you know the magazine itself it's about like an extra half a pound pound of weight there it's it's not really dragging me off to the right I really didn't feel much of a difference even as I was shooting through rounds I just I'm sure there was a difference but it wasn't perceivable - enough to me as the shooter to really kind of tell that and then I will say it cut the Patterson device itself kind of made me nervous when firing because it kind of Wiggles a little bit I mean yes you can adjust the headspace in there to make it stiffer and not wiggle quite as much but we found with this one where we have it now just it functioned its best and so it does wiggle a little bit and that just makes me a little bit nervous while shooting um just putting it in there just kind of made me a little nervous that's still wiggle it a lot but I was like is that going to be safe but it handled fine on range and then the sights that's that's about the only other different thing really with this guy because when you're looking down the sights you're supposed to be looking here at your rear sight and then through to your front sight but the problem is the Patterson device it actually kind of gets in the way so you're having to look through it to get to your sights and the problem is with this wiggling hang on you know your shots at me wiggle left or right so you're kind of having to like adjust around it and a part of you wants to add that to the site picture which you don't really want to and then when you're shooting this also comes back at your face which is a little bit nerve-wracking too but as far as economics code it's really not that much different except for the the weight and then the sight so those are just the two really big ones in my book but they weren't they weren't that weird they weren't that difficult for me to handle to get used to I guess on range yeah I'm uh I'm gonna have to flash you guys a picture of this site picture this is idealized okay if you take a look at that and then here's the thing it doesn't stay like that that back mass locking section of like to Kant and the thing is it can never can't far enough to completely block the sight picture but that you on there can get just up to your sight line it's full sort of off centeredness mm-hmm now that means that if you are sort of reading quickly on your sights and you go for the first visible you not just by the way much clearer you not just in the rear sighted side it's massive right then that's gonna make you want to momentarily align off and then have to bring yourself back on it's something you get used to in the gun it's just again one of those non-intuitive features of this system I'm gonna get it they had to mill so that you could see but to my mind I don't understand why they couldn't just flattop the whole thing make it a little bit wider you have the same amount of mass and it doesn't interrupt the sight line at all again there's probably a reason for that that's just buried somewhere in notes that we have not seen now with that covered I guess we're gonna talk about actually sort of readying and firing the device how does she work out for you there alright so I'm gonna have to load a round into this gun in order to do that I have to be able to rack it and you're supposed to be grabbing it back here by the serrations pull it back and let it fly forward the problem I found on range with that was back here these lines are actually pretty sharp so I was finding I was actually catching my hand on it scraping it up a good bit really wasn't all too pleasant and I also really was finding myself not being able to pull this hard far back as I wanted to in order to chamber the next round even that I just not caught my thumb good job May so I found it worked better if I grabbed up here on the top of the ridge now there is one of two things that can happen though if you're not careful one was that if you're using too much of the tips of your fingers you can actually end up being bending a fingernail and two is you got to really make sure you snap your fingers out of the way otherwise you end up writing this slide and believe me you ride the slide on this at all you are not going to chamber the next round you really have to be careful with it and make sure you use the pads of your fingers pull it all the way back and move your hands out of the way as fast as you can that would have chambered around just fine but we just found on range it took a little bit of getting used to that tactic but once you got it you definitely do remember after the first bent nail trust me then actually firing this gun now the trigger on this thing was quite awful for a two-stage there's like a significant amount of take-up and it's very light and then all of a sudden it gets really really heavy like 20 pounds heavy trigger and then you maybe pull about two three millimeters if that and then it breaks like I swear to God if you are if you know that you are flincher you definitely would not enjoy the trigger on this guy in this configuration it was completely awful in my opinion but still went bang and the rounds thank you Jay he he slowly walked these rounds and to get them to work just right as far as like making sure the rim was right make sure it a good bevel and then like doing different powder loads like he he worked his butt off to get the rounds to work on that to work specifically with this gun don't know if they are under overpowered for it can't say that but all I know is that they functioned with this one and we got the rounds off we needed for our segment so awesome job Jay Riku Lynn this guy is practically nothing I mean it is I'm shooting pistol cartridges out of a 1903 I mean you could see me on range there was literally no take up with that sorry I heard I know my voice was cracking on that one but seriously it's there's like nothing to that recoil the only thing was I was flinching so bad like I said earlier because this block is coming back at your face so fast if you haven't seen the slow-motion on it go back and watch that it is ridiculous how fast this giant block moves back at your face and is right on your eyeline too so it's actually really nerve-wracking never flinched as I was pulling the trigger but I did flinch after the bang went off I know that but I just couldn't help myself but I mean other than that it was still a fun shooter I wish we hadn't had as many problems as we had had a range trying to get this guy ready because when it did shoot it was a heck of a lot of fun I mean I was just blinking out there it was great I felt like I barely needed hearing protection because it was so light and I that's me saying that by the way and I wear hearing protection when I shoot 22 like I could I really emphasises hearing protection but the rounds on this were so light coming out of it that was barely nothing but yeah honestly when it performed it was a fun shooter I'm gonna agree that this is actually pretty fun to play around on the range I don't know where we're gonna go for combat but for flick on the range great I'm gonna get rid of this mag for a second so we can handle this a little easier the one thing that I noticed to be a big problem this gun is that it didn't have enough room to do all the operations that needed to do we cut an ejection port in the left side of the receiver so that we could have an ejection port and then that means that we have to feed a magazine through this sort of right side opening on the receiver and other than that there's there's nothing else there's not really a way to route gas away from the chamber and so we talked about how that would blow out the magazine and the other thing is the rounds in there because we have to have this variable system for where the bolt connects with the barrel inside of this that then connects into the headspace of the gun there's just not a lot of room or fiddling available to control the ejection of the rounds and I really think they might have wanted to put a little extra effort into some sort of pop-up ejector on the right side to positively kick left because most of the jams in this gun to my mind had less to do with the particulars of the springs and setup in this one and more to do with that central ejection pin that is dependent on bouncing against either side of the inside of this and eventually bouncing out the left side so they could slap left or right or up or down and then eventually they'd have to sort of vibrate their way out the left side there's no positive direction to go specifically out the left except for the hold from the extractor but at the sort of like speed that this is kicking back and with all the other cartridges dragging on the inside as they're trying to press for with the limited space in here I found that the extractor would often have trouble retaining the cartridge all the way to the rear and by the way that's true in a number of different designs you don't always have an extractor that keeps the cartridge all the way to the rear of the action but they usually have action of things that are big enough for that thing to go flying out regardless of whether the extractor does its job all the way through or not there's just no room for error in this system and so I found that it would Jam on any number of different issues and some of them more to do with this particular model and some to do with the system itself but with that said now's the time where we may be upset some of the fans or make them happy would you be all that pleased if you were told to attack a trench with a pettersen device obviously not this one this one gave us problems on range but let's let's imagine we're not do ideal situation where it's running perfectly yeah like in our ideal situation also I'm in close quarters too with this gun because that's that's what I would want to use it for and I've got 40 rounds of basically glorified 32 yeah that actually would be dang decent I feel pretty comfortable and good about that because it's working well and I'm in a trench short close quarters yeah fantastic however people are saying this is like something that you would want to use like even 350 yards out I don't have the confidence with that guy to I based on the performance on range I just I can't I can't see this doin past a hundred and fifty yards which means me personally using it I'd be in very close quarters so I'd somehow have to do that hot swap between either bolt in the Pettersen device in a short amount of time and I imagine the adrenaline pumping through you the nerves it wouldn't be something you'd be super comfortable doing it's just I don't know I can't see myself doing that comfortably or confidently and feeling competent with the weapon at that point so I guess where I'm at right now I just I kind of don't really feel super keen on it at that point I would just rather have a regular 1903 or just submachine gun at that plant just to have one of the two or both if I could but I don't know what the Patterson I guess I'm just not super keen the Pettersen itself for using it in combat because it only really works in a specific situation in my opinion so I guess it kind of gets a soft no I'm gonna say that the pettersen feels like a weird luxury man yeah this is a 1903 rifle we can use it as a 1903 rifle so I guess no matter what a pettersen equipped 1903 not fixed on the gun but the option in your pocket you have to say that it's superior to the 1903 because it's everything the 1903 has plus an extra which is that in very specific circumstances you have a little pistol carbine yeah it's kind of neat pistol short rifle whatever so it's hard to argue that this is worse than the 1903 in an entirety except for when you add on the weight and you rat on the vulnerability of the system at which point I start to feel like the changing of hands and acting as an army there's gonna be mistakes made in pretty strong numbers and the US government was wise to not pursue this program and the person device also has a lot of tiny little parts that I could see easily getting damaged because I mean you're gonna have to be careful with them and I can't see anyone being careful and all the war I do not understand how I didn't see more magazine retention system failures in the notes that I saw I did not they must have actually been quite strong maybe I don't know what they really hit on them or anything but I don't trust a lot of little features about this guys now that means that for me is well I would much rather not have to worry about the system yes me like as a soldier of one what I want the option sure I'll take an option yeah but really given the choice yeah if I'm banking on it like if I'm like do I want a hundred of these a hundred thousand of these it's just it's a hard point are you yes maybe in a very specific circumstance it would be better that circumstance is unlikely to arise and the bigger thing is for all the milling and metal and attention that this thing takes and then fitting it to this gun and then making the specific type of gun the number of man-hours in this operation versus the number of man-hours in a simple submachine gun a blowback tube submachine gun you could give everybody and by the way for the bow the same weight expense you could give everybody a sub gun on their back in addition to the rifle yeah so that might have been the bigger trick I think that's what's really hanging me up like if I'd never heard of a submachine gun I'd be like oh this is kind of cool oh yeah right and by the way well we're one it's not like they're floating around but still it just feels like it misses the mark and it feels like something that's you're you're doing a lot of extra effort to get a you know some benefit but it's a benefit that can be gained much much more simply so I'm afraid that I'm gonna have to agree with May and say that overall it's a good thing that these things stayed mothball I do not believe they should have all been melted down though it'd be nice if they're right now yeah of sixty-five thousand he's floating around for people to play with alright so I believe that wraps us up for the pettersen I'm sorry if some of you are disappointed but thanks for joining us and have a good one stay after the credits for any announcements later guys [Music] sorry for the low quality update I have been up for over 24 hours at this point trying to put the last this episode together because of an animation and compiling error and it is killing me anyway I hope you guys enjoyed the episode this is the hour for 50 ish for me out of the past for four and a half weeks so I'm about to hit the wall and just go to sleep for three days now hopefully when I wake up I will see that many of you have remembered that if you're watching this right away you have 24 hours or less to go grab this year's World War one service poster this time it's revolvers it doesn't seem to be as popular as rifles were last year and we have doubled the audience that's probably my bed but it'll be followed by pistols next year so it'll make a nice set so by all means grab one if you'd like to support the show and otherwise hit us up on patreon that sort of thing it all really helps and honestly I'd be more eloquent but I don't have the brain for word right now I'll catch you

Channel: C&Rsenal

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Keywords: firearms, guns, WWI, History, greatwar, bf1, battlefield1, worldwar1, educational, secret weapons, pedersen, how it works, engineering

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Length: 74min 49sec (4489 seconds)

Published: Tue Dec 05 2017

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There's a video somewhere of someone shooting one.