Sir Richard Branson on CreativeLive | Chase Jarvis LIVE | ChaseJarvis

hello everyone I'm Chase Jarvis welcome to another episode of Chase Jarvis live here on creativeLIVE you're tuned into the 30 days of genius series that's where I sit down with the world's top creatives entrepreneurs and thought leaders and extract valuable insights that you can apply to your day-to-day to help you live your dreams and career hobby and in life if you're new to the series you're just hearing about it for the first time go to creative live.com slash 30 days of genius the number three zero days of genius all you got to do is press that blue button and then you'll get one of these badass interviews in your inbox every day for 30 days it's 100% free my guest today is the most recognizable maybe the most famous entrepreneur in the history of the world he has disrupted so many industries he's disrupted the airline industry the music industry the train industry now he's turned his sights to space travel among other things he just dropped his first film here at the Tribeca Film Festival in New York last night my guest is the one and only Sir Richard Branson I see thank you sir so over the course of this conversation my goal is to inspire the people on the other side of the camera with not just your life story but but actionable insights and I read some press about the the film dropping last night and one of the things that was so impressive to me was the decision to go to actually do something instead of nothing and I think there's some connections clear connections between your entrepreneurship and flying a balloon across the Atlantic when you had experience but little experience and there was a willingness to sort of just go can you talk to me about that sort of that it seems like an innate part of you but probably it was learned I don't know maybe you can tell us a little more um well I've always had the philosophy that's you know screw it just do it is a lot more fun than then not screwing it and and sometimes it's got me into a lot of trouble and sometimes what more often than not it's been it's been fantastic and and so you know I suppose one of my greatest fear in life is saying no to something and then regretting it so so I have said yes a lot and and in the case of you know the ballooning adventures yeah nearly cost us my life but it it helped put virgin on the map on a global basis and and you know helped helped get the brand established and and it was actually great fun when it when it was going well and it was actually terrifying when it wasn't that sounds like so many things in life that entrepreneurship and actually being in a balloon for a little bit of context can you it was the first it was the first time that well we did five people had actually tried to cross the Atlantic five people had died so it was it was the it was the attempt to try to do it differently than the others had done it and that was to fly in the jet stream at 35,000 feet where you got very strong winds to be above the bad weather and and you know we were the first and then foolishly we decided to do the Pacific and a lot a lot of exciting things went wrong on the way but we miss Los Angeles I think by two and a half thousand miles which is what we were aiming for and ended up in the Arctic but that they were they were great adventures and there's a lot of parallels between the risks they're an entrepreneurship clearly maybe not risking your life per se was that was the decision to take on that risk was it for your business or if it was for yourself to give you a sort of personal energy a lot of people like it worked 24 hours a day seven days a week and you've already mentioned in this interview twice fun how important that is for me for you so how do those things sort of relate to one another in your mind are they connected because the adventure connected to entrepreneurship yeah so we had a successful rope company but we had a one airline seven point one seven four seven four four Virgin Atlantic and we were just trying to think of unique ways of putting this tiny little airline on on the map and you know this balloonist said he thought he could build a balloon to do the job and so initially it was you know it was something we embarked on to see if we could get virgin on the map it obviously then became much more important than that and a great great personal adventure I think the I think the parallels one can draw from in business is that the most important thing when you start a business is thinking about protecting the downside you know what you know how can you avoid the business going bust you know you know what what will you do if it does go bust you're going to lose your home or not lose your home and as an adventurer you know obviously the downside is losing your life and and you've got to do everything you can to avoid that and and and then if you do lose your life Elise you and you know you you know you've avoided you've done everything you could can't not have done for her and of course you'll kick yourself my have a strong recollection you're an investor in creativeLIVE and one of the first times we met in San Francisco you gave me that same advice I said you know if you're going to give a guy like me a piece of advice you know in the startup world we're trying to build a game-changing paradigm changing company for education what would it be and you told me to take great chances and yet predict or protect the downside is that as sort of a mantra across all of your businesses or how do you how do you think about that yeah I mean I've it is a mantra I haven't always abided by it I mean I don't take care of it I hate occasionally in the early days I would ask my wife to sign a bit of paper without her knowing that that was the house on the line for about the tenth time and we could have ended up on the streets so and you know so but but obviously that's a foolish thing to do and I wouldn't recommend it to other people and and I think you know to be able to sleep well at night and know you've got a roof over the head is important so you know so take take bold bold steps and bold risks but don't necessarily put everything on the line so you have something like four hundred companies under the Virgin umbrella now it started from your kitchen counter didn't it was it would mean it was a salad from the phone books at my school when I was fifteen and we didn't have mobile phones and and I wanted to start a magazine to campaign against the Vietnamese war and and you know so I had to try to sell advertising for the magazine in order to get it going and so I literally were you know it when people weren't when there wasn't a queue outside the school phone box I went in there and rang up coca-cola and rang up Pepsi and you know save well Pepsi's agreed to take an atom then coke would jump in and then I ran up ring that ring up this is lesson 10 so you know so we kept unit and then then we tried the same with banks you know that West is that they're taking an ad and anyway so I learned I learnt the art of quite a Fiat when it came to selling advertising and that was a at your school as you mentioned how let's talk about what raw school played for you obviously I've gone to burgeon disrupt with you and spoke in there about the future of Education how it's changing you talked a little bit about you know you're sort of I've read and we've spoken a little bit about a little bit of a disconnect between you and traditional education what do you think about education today where is it going and how do what's the best way for the people at home who are listening to sort of prepare for their future I'm I'm Dyslexic and and therefore formal education didn't interest me and therefore I wasn't any good at it what once something interests me then then you know then I then I lap it up and learn quite quickly and and and I think education generally just should be a lot more interesting a lot more relevant and you know for instance you're like if you showed people a ballooning film across the Atlantic they would learn you know they could learn a whole masses of lessons from it you know I caught air rises you know there's a jet stream traveling at 200 miles an hour at 30,000 feet there's you know and so on and so on I mean it's just there's just so much you can you can so you know so many techniques you can use to bring education alive and but instead you know people for instance in Britain have taught French nobody ever learns French is a completely useless language and you know Spanish would be much more useful and and people still talk Latin you know algebra I mean all you know I mean all these bizarre subjects were whereas them it's not that relevant to life and as people it sounds like you're encouraging people to lean into their passions is it with is it because you have greater energy around things that you care about is it because that's where your aptitudes lie what's your philosophy on I think I I think you you know it's sort of foolish to spend your life not not not becoming expert at your passions if you're passionate about something you're going to give it you're going to give it your all and and you're going to enjoy learning about it whereas if you have no interest in it you're not going to you're not going to lap it up well would you carry on out with 400 companies under the Virgin Group is it fair to say you have 400 interests or I know those are understand the structure of Virgil I mean I'm interested in in life generally and and I love learning about new things and if something frustrates me I'll dive in there and and try to improve it and quite a lot of things must have frustration well I think that's often in the little experience I have relative to you but I've always found that scratching my own itch if there's a problem that I have personally or some people that are close to me that the vigor that I will sort of go into a challenge like that is always much greater and I believe you started Virgin Atlantic because you missed a flight or you had a bad flight experience can you recall that for us like that's not literally scratching or owning I was trying to get from Puerto Rico to the British Virgin Islands and American Airlines only had a half full flight and so they told us all to come back the next morning and I had a beautiful lady waiting for me in the BB I was not going to wait till the next morning and so I went to the back of the airport I was 28 years old I hired a plane borrowed a blackboard and then just wrote as a joke Virgin Airlines $39 one way to the to Puerto Rico and I went and all the people had been bumped and filled up my first plane and then the next day I rang up Boeing and said do you have any secondhand 747s per cell you went from a plane that's an island hopping to a 747 there and anyway so we so we were so you know so that was yeah that was literally out of frustration I was gone I was getting that lady but also just the frustration of your the way that Airlines did sort of treat you the the and by the way I think you know the the best businesses come from people's bad personal experiences I mean it you know if people are listening to this program I mean you know if you just keep your eyes open you're going to find yoga you're going to find something that frustrates you and then and then you think well you know I can maybe do it better than them then it's being done and there you have a business I mean if you can improve people's lives you have a business you know I'm a proud investor in your company and you know I love what you do and I think you know you're fulfilling a you know a real service to unit to people out there and therefore you know that the business is going to be successful and and there is still you know people think well everything's been thought of but actually you know they're all the time there's great thing about capitalism there's there's gaps in the market here gaps in the market there ways of improving things here ways of improving things there and then and people should just give it you know give it a go do you do you feel like that there's that there's a certain sense of play with you personally with your brand and it's to certain incentive in solving problems for example if it's already told about walking around at the blackboard and taken to the BVI for $39 how important is play to you personally and then to sort of the entrepreneurial spirit I think plays really important I mean I think we only live once and we were to try to live with a smile as best we can and have a have a good time and and yeah one of my favorite days in the year is April Fool's Day and love love love where you guys like that love love pulling people's legs and and you know sometimes it backfires I once had it up in prison all day free on April Fool's Day when they managed to turn it turn it on me sometimes it's successful like you know without glass-bottom planes of last year were you know and I think that it went viral the whole world thought the Virgin Atlantic was building glass-bottom planes and then people love the ideas I suspect we will work let's talk about space I feel space obviously the next frontier but it also sounds so undoable when you're standing here on earth and you're looking out there yet you're running headlong into it is there you know do you have the same sort of fears of starting any business is this is it de-risked because there's so many players in the game now or how do you how do you think about eyes it's incredible that you're going after it its enormous ly challenging it is rocket science and it is tough and we've been going now for 10 years and so it's been you know it's cost us a penny or two as well or a dollar or two then it's you know resulted in tears but we think that we're almost there and the space new spaceship is finished it's starting its test program and we just hope to be up in a way in the not-too-distant future and so it's not putting people this into space I think it's very important because I think you know that overview effect of looking back on Earth transforms people and would love to have many people become astronauts and experience that but equally you know we'll be putting hundreds and hundreds of satellites into space which will connect people I mean like there are four billion people who can't get your programming in the world because they don't have internet or Wi-Fi access if we can actually help connect those 4 billion people then then education health and you know people be able to start businesses a whole mass of things follow from it so lots of exciting things from space travel and was that inspire it was it a like a childhood vision that you had was it inspired from the view that you got you know from those balloons at 30,000 feet it was able since pot out of frustration again I mean I couldn't understand to go to space but NASA the Chinese Russians they just weren't interested in you or me going to space so in the end I felt screw it let's do it rather I read our register register the name Virgin Galactic Airways which I did that was the first thing I did and then I'll travel around the world trying to find engineers like your chalkboard yeah we're engineers too and you know who could knock a knock a spaceship together and build rockets and and the rest hopefully we'll be history oh that's very inspiring and I think there's so many folks we mentioned before the camera started rolling talked about there's sort of two groups behind the cameras here there is a group that is you know stuck in something they don't want to be in and taking that first step seems like something from gigantic risk for them or for their family and there's the other group of folks that have started something and are looking to take it to the next level so that's two questions here one for each group the first group advice that you would give to the folks who are trying to go from zero to one there they may be you know bound by fear or what's keeping them down I think it's particularly ticularly difficult to take a risk and start your own business if you've got a comfortable job you know you're paying off a mortgage you've got maybe children and you've got a partner and you know - - you know and and and I completely understand why people you know a fearful of then going out and trying to start a business having said that I think that you know if you if you feel that you've got a great idea and and you've got you know something really special if you can you know find other people who also believe in your idea obviously if it's finance as well you know so much the better and then if you can surround yourself with great people you know I think you'll get enormous satisfaction from trying it you know but obviously I fully understand that you know if you if you if you're having to look after kids at home and education and you know you you have to you have to be you know brave varying on foolish you know to to to give it a go but but it's then you know but the upside of pulling it off is pretty pretty damn good so yeah the it's all about that you know if you're talking about predicting the downside but then the sort of the reward part of what I understand is a struggle for folks that are in that camp is sort of the fear of failure obviously but I think for the folks at home to hear some of your struggles would help them because I think they look at you as sort of unflappable and you've had all this success but you know you know we're coming we've come you know I mean there's a very thin dividing line between success and failure and you know we've come very close on a number of occasions to crossing the dividing line even to the extent on a Friday night having the bank manager at my home telling me that on the Monday morning he was going to put the whole of the virgin group out of business and I told them he wasn't welcome the house I pushed him out of the house which is you know quite a risk risky thing to do with your bank manager and I sat down just shaking with anger and then we spent the weekend you know making calls and managed to Russell enough money up to sort him out on that on the Monday but but so if we had if we'd failed I mean we were lucky enough not if we had failed I think I think I'm the kind of person would have picked my pick myself up brushed myself down learnt learnt from everything I'd achieved and started again and I and I you know a lot of very successful entrepreneurs have had failures and have brushed themselves down and started again and learn learn from you know learn from that learnt from their struggles so one of the things that you know aside from the Entrepreneurship adventures and we've talked about everything from space to school newspapers or school magazines let's talk about you personally for a second because I think that the psychology is sort of apparent when you talk about all of the the way you think and how you look at risk all that stuff but what about you personally is there there are some things that have kept you especially grounded whether it was community or family there are some things that you do every day that if you sort of don't have that you feel remiss like if you can get a little bit personal like what is yeah I mean I mean I think yeah the best decision I made in my life was finding it very down-to-earth Glaswegian beautiful lasts about 40 years ago falling in love and and you know she's been has you know been my rock over those years and been a wonderful mother and and and you know from there I've been able to have the freedom to you know get get out and create things and I've always worked from home so you know which is had to put up with quite a lot I think working from home means that that I've had to learn to delegate and I found very good people to delegate to and is working from home something that doesn't feel like more comfortable for you or what is what is I love I love you know I love the fact that the children you know would you know would literally at my feet I've seen pictures of you on this arm with paper spread all over the Canadian so so it's been it's been great to be able to I think I spent more time with my children than most people I know and work therefore you know we are a very very close family also working and I work my home in Staten Island so that's a wonderful place ocean area behind us a wonderful place to sit and and yeah think about the bigger the bigger picture the other advantage of working in from home is you know I and especially living on an island is keeping fit is very important and and you know every morning I get up and I play tennis make sure it singles so with and play with somebody better than me at pro do the same in the evening and we have you know real battles if the winds up I'll kite surf in the day as well and then you know between all that you know work hard so yeah but because I'm keeping healthy and fit I actually get I think more eyes work in a day than most people and then how about is there any how do you get your information do you try and sort of reduce the volume of information so you can sort of be in a in a quiet place or are you looking for as many inputs as possible clearly if you live on an island there's a bit of you that wants to remain very private but how important is sort of information and connection to information and connections really important and and you know I'm a I'm a good listener I mean I think a good leader needs to be a good listener I mean I know what I thinks I don't need to listen to my own voice and and and learning all the time from listening from taking notes you know if I'm having a conversation with somebody else always have a notebook in my lab making the list of things that I need to get done and you know I sometimes just kind understand people you know you'll have a business meeting nobody takes notes you know that nothing is going to get done I mean maybe somebody might remember one thing to maximum but you know if there's a list of sort of 15 or 20 decisions that need to be made from it and then critical to critical I think to make make a note and get these things done and I think that often differentiates a good leader from a bad leader and some leaders think it's beneath me to be taking notes you know that's that's something a secretary should be doing but you know Disraeli they forget that write these things down there's something that's very very present with you with the companies you've started with the people that I know that work for you there's the sense of sort of creativity and you know that's my personal mission life is to make them the world a more creative place creative lives mission you talk to me about your view of creativity do you think about it in a in a painting photography drawing design way do you think about creativity with the capital C and how important is that in establishing your businesses and in your personal life like what role does was creativity play for you do you know it sounds a strange thing to say but I think the difference between a businessperson and an artist an artist has a blank a blank sheet of paper and they've got to you know paint that paint the paper and if it's going to be a good painting every single little detail on that canvas would be beautiful and if you have you know I mean like 10 years ago we decided you know let's set up an airline that people actually will want to fly in America they didn't have good airlines then and so we set up Virgin America a blank blank sheet of canvas and we had to get every single thing right all the little details right in setting up that business we had to be very creative and and because every single little detail was got write it we created an exceptional airline amazing earn and and and and and you know the rest is history and and so detail details detail is you know it's all that little detail that make make up you know for the perfect picture at the end of the day there's a quote from the designers aimed Ames brothers the details aren't the details the details are the thing and I have also been on record saying that in the future all CEOs will be considered artists and if there are people who are specifically not inclined to that they can have roles in the company but the sort of the vision is a creative experience and I love that connection that you've made between the details and a piece of art and the details and building a business since you mentioned Virgin America I'm going to go there for a second one of the ways that Virgin America got on the map for me was a the Virgin brand of course like so welcomed in the US and a world I've flown millions of air miles hundreds of thousands every year so is a welcome different experience and what we've got here but specifically as soon as you sit down on the plane the lights different the seats different the staff is different even in you know the sight was so much different in buying your first ticket and yet when you sit down the safety video comes on this is years ago and I'm going to in a in an area where no one thought innovation was possible the TSA is literally the most impressive organization in probably in the u.s. in the US government and yet you found a way to sort of usurp that paradigm and make a beautiful playful video that delighted folks in an area where no one thought innovation was possible I use that as an example all the time with my company and with my peers how important is sort of finding an area that hasn't yet been sort of exploited as the wrong word but sort of viewed from that different angle that only you or some some other entrepreneur like it can you can you go right in the front door and try and compete with some of the you know the American Airlines that you said it earlier or or is your philosophy about sort of entering from the side door the back door and exploiting the cracks like how do you think about things yeah I think if something is run in a very stuffy way and safety videos were run in a stuff you were stuff ears are the worst and then you know one shouldn't be frightened of unhhhh stuffy fiying it wow that's a good way they and and and a lot of you know big airlines would would be frightened they'd worry that the Civil Aviation Authority is going to come down on them for taking not treating safety with with a proper decorum but of course the fact of life is that if you actually make a safety video enjoyable to watch people going to watch it and they're going to get the messages and and and if there was an incident they're more likely to remember the messages if you if you have a safety video that's the boring same thing every time nobody watches it so can I say that is it fair to say that that's creativity at work yeah now of course it's creativity at work and and I mean I just thinking there was some years ago at Virgin Atlantic that the chief accountant rang me up and said everyone's stealing our salt and pepper potts we're going to have to put something more boring on the plane because yeah they just loved them that's their little windmills and and yeah and it's costing us X amount of dollars a year and and I thought about it and rang him back a couple of hours later and saying no you keep them on but I was going to do something so underneath all the salt and paper pots we then printed pinched from Virgin Atlantic and it became the greatest promotion as people were having their dinner parties somebody was saying how impressed they were their salt and pepper ports and then they turned out and got yeah that's certainly leaning into an opportunity go back to your personal life if I can just for a second is there anything you talked about sort of space being in your own island and I think for the folks at home you don't have to have an island you can wet you know I mean I mean like I mean I used to live on a houseboat so and virgin started from literally yeah my children lived on a houseboat it had two rooms you know my wife was there and I was running you know building the Virgin Company on a houseboat and and you know we said it was a place that people like to come and visit because it was a houseboat you know but it was a beaten-up old houseboat and it had this smallest kitchen and the smallest loo in any anywhere in London so but you know we were as happy on that houseboat as I suspect we are today on an island I mean it you know so you know so tried you know if you can try to find a place to work that's got a pleasant environment that's not always a forwardable but if you can I think that helps and I mean I love for instance the you know these organizations that are you know sharing office space and where you can feed off feed off other people when you're starting a business that they you know that's a great way for people to go and you know find a bit of space and then you can learn from each other and help each other how important is that energy yeah I think it's I think it is important I mean they they you know when I started you know when I left school you know having just you know a group of people together feeding off each other was was essential and learning from each other helping each other through the bad times enjoying the good times together so you talked about your space whether it's a houseboat or an island it talked about physical fitness and health I think there's a sad story at least in the u.s. I believe globally that creativity sort of needs to pull everything out of you and we have so many sad stories of the Kurt Cobain's the Janis Joplin's sort of taking their own lives but I think it's going to bear out that sort of having a long creative arc to your life is so much more value but not just to you but to the world and contribution wise anything else if you talked about your space you talked about you know health and wellness how important is you know what do you do to for inspiration for example I think the world who doesn't think of themselves as hyper creative is out there like oh my gosh where does Sir Richard get his ideas and how does my you know even the startups and and even the corner store like where do they get their ideas and inspiration so where does somebody know and I think if you know traveling traveling a lot I think it's important I mean like you know some people listen to this they may be out of a job and you know I mean you know go to somewhere like barley you know which costs almost nothing when you get there I'm in fact you know I mean you know you know just get out there travel keep your eyes open and you know I suspect in that in that three months six months process you'll come up with some you know some some exciting ideas but you've got to be open open to ideas and out there listening I mean a lot of you know a lot of not many people actually you make an effort and try to find out you know what's going on in Germany what's going on in France what's going on in Britain what's going on in America what's going on in Canada who's come up with Britain new breakthrough ideas recently I mean for instance you know we've invested in a company called doctors on demand which you know so you know you ring them up and and there's a doctrine that give you 15 minutes at any time of the day from anywhere in the world great idea you know and then you know and you know mainly American base but you know if somebody in Europe heard that idea you know they should get in and compete you know I mean it's it and and so you know so globally if you can't come up with your own unique ideas there's other people who will have already come up with ideas in some country or other which you can you know if they manage to make it work in Holland you know you is quite likely you'll be able to make it work in whichever country you live in and if travel is inspiration and that's very external to you is there anything any internal sort of sense of inspiration that you get like you know we use like your mum or your childhood or you know I'd like to come back to this my mother my mother and you know always taught us to you know like we weren't allowed to watch television we had to be out there doing things creating things and you know she would you know like pushed me out of the car aged six told me to make my own way to Granny's house and or you know sent me on a bike ride in the pouring rain you know 400 miles as you do when you're with your ten-year-old and and you know so she was trying to bring us up tough you taking a slight risk you know like if if we'd had an accident you know she obviously would have regretted it but but we didn't we survived and and I think we came came out the stronger for it at the far end and then to go back to your life with dyslexia how important has that been in shaping you and and how have you sort of taken what was once considered maybe challenged and made it clearly made it something that works well for you I think I think the most important thing about my dyslexia was that it helped me learn the importance of delegation and you know if you're going to build a business don't try to do it all yourself fine fine people look better than yourself to and to do you know run things on a day to day basis and and that then leaves you up to think about the bigger the bigger picture so I think dyslexia you know it is strange I mean I sometimes think back to the my days at school where I would look at there's no name there's no name for it I know there was it no you didn't they didn't never heard of dyslexia in those days but they just thought I was as thick as anything so I look at a blank sheet of paper I just couldn't understand the answers at all and yet now you know I'm and I'm looking at you know rocket science Maxim because I'm interested I can I can actually an understand it and you know enough to have a reasonable conversation I've heard from a little bird that there's a moment in the film to bring a back full circle now the film that just congratulations by the way just yesterday I heard the premiere look great that you were you were going to abort the mission something about you know you be jumped out of a plane and preparation you had some experience of pulling your parachute or not pulling your parachute and that there's some parallels there did was the dyslexia at work in that moment was that I mean I think there is there are different ways that dyslexia plays on people and on this occasion no spoilers here we have to go see the film anyway but on this occasion I pulled the cord that got rid of the parachute not the cord that open the parachute and anyway somehow I'm still here today then you have to see the film to see how we survived that one but anyway incredible they're not like not it not it not a good idea in just a few minutes that we've got left is there something that if you revealed it in this interview that people would not likely know about you what would that thing be something that not that you've talked about rather publicly about something that would be a surprise to some people to know about you ah let me think I'm a pretty open book okay the one story I didn't tell him I booked was was I was driving when as a 21 year old down to Oxford one day and the police siren went behind me I was driving a hundred miles an hour and and I thought I do not want to be put off the road for six months so I leant over to my friend who was sitting next to me I punched him in the stomach took the car window down and he was buckled up in agony and I said my friend he's got an attack of appendicitis and and and so the policeman looked at him looked at me and then he said right follow us and sorrow and blaring off we go to the local hospital and when we got at the hospital John was trying to think how we could get out of this now and they're gonna started sticking tubes and needles and so he said - he said to the doctor look I haven't been to the loo for a week this could be the problem sailing with a next moment I see this doctor with a rubber Cup I came into the cubicle and it suddenly still somehow a friend but anyway that was called true sacrifice and we we somehow got off it yeah you beat my next question very still friends of John and so that sounds like you are is behaving you there he's forgiven me brilliant well I'm super grateful for your time sir thank you thank you very much thank you good luck and luck everybody out there yes yes best of luck to all of y'all out there and again tune in tomorrow where you get another one of these videos thanks again for tuning in to create a bar you

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Published: Tue May 10 2016