Sheryl Sandberg on October 7th attack: 'Rape is never resistance'

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>>> AS WE MENTIONED AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR, ANDREA IS TRAVELING WITH SECRETARY OF STATE ANTONY BLINKEN IN THE MIDDLE EAST. BEFORE SHE LEFT SHE SAT DOWN WITH SHERYL SANDBERG AND TALKED WITH HER ABOUT HER NEW DOCUMENTARY. AND PARTS OF THIS CONVERSATION, THIS DOCUMENTARY, WILL BE DIFFICULT. WATCH. >> RAPE AS A WEAPON OF WAR. MOST RECENTLY BY HAMAS AGAINST ISRAELI WOMEN DURING THE OCTOBER 7 ATTACK. AND AGAINST HOSTAGES SINCE. ATROCITIES CONFIRMED BY AN NBC NEWS INVESTIGATION. AND NOW THE STATE DEPARTMENT IN A NEW REPORT AS WELL AS A FOCUS BY THE UNITED NATIONS THANKS TO WOMEN ACTIVISTS. JOINING ME NOW IS SHERYL SANDBERG FOUNDER OF LEAN IN AND FORMER CEO OF META. AND HER NEW DOCUMENTARY SCREAMS BEFORE VIOLENCE, FORMER WOMEN HOSTAGES AND SURVIVORS IN ISRAEL RETURNING TO THEIR HOMES FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE MASS DER. I'LL PLAY A CLIP. LET'S WATCH. >> THERE WERE TEN MEN AROUND ME. MY INSTINCT WAS JUST TO FIGHT. TO DO WHAT I CAN. I WAS REALLY SCARED THAT THEY ARE GOING TO RAPE ME THERE AND THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DRAG ME THROUGH GAZA STREETS AND PARADE MY BODY AROUND. I FEARED THAT MORE THAN BEING KILLED. I WAS CHAINED FOR THREE WEEKS IN GAZA. I WAS KEPT IN A REALLY DARK ROOM WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO MOVE. HIS NAME WAS MOHAMMAD. HE UNTIED ME. I KNEW HE WAS UP TO SOMETHING. I KNEW SOMETHING BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN. >> TELL ME MORE ABOUT YOUR CONVERSATION WITH HER. >> SHE IS SO BRAVE. KIDNAPPED TO GAZA, YOU SAW THE CLIP OF HER BEING KIDNAPPED. SHE WAS HELD. SHE WAS CHAINED IN A ROOM FOR WEEKS. AND SHE WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY HER CAPTOR AND SHE IS TELLING HER STORY NOW BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL HOSTAGES THERE AND WE KNOW THEY ARE BEING SEXUALLY ASSAULTED TOO. THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER HERE IS THAT MOST OF THE VICTIMS OF THE SEXUAL ASSAULT ARE DEAD. THEY WERE KILLED ON OCTOBER 7. AND THIS DOCUMENTARY AND BRAVE PEOPLE, THEIR VOICES ARE ALL WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THESE VICTIMS AND MAKE SURE THIS NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN. >> LAST OCTOBER I SAW THE IDF VIDEO THAT THEY HAVE NOT RELEASED PUBLICLY. AND I SAW ALL OF THE EVIDENCE THAT THE WOMEN IN THE KIBBUTZ HAD BEEN RAPED, ASSAULTED. THEY WERE NAKED, THE POSITIONS THEY WERE IN, IT WAS VERY CLEAR -- THESE WERE DEAD WOMEN. AND YOU HAVE FOUND LIVE TESTIMONIES AND BROUGHT THEM BACK TO THEIR HOMES. HOW DIFFICULT WAS THAT EXPERIENCE FOR THEM? HOW IMPORTANT WAS IT? >> I THINK FOR THE RELEASED HOSTAGES, I WENT WITH TWO BACK TO THEIR HOME WHERE HER HUSBAND, HER FATHER AND DAUGHTER WERE KILLED IN FRONT OF THEM, THEY WERE TAKEN TO GAZA. AND AGAM, SHE IS 18, IN THIS DOCUMENTARY SHE TESTIFIES THAT HALF THE HOSTAGES THAT SHE MET IN CAPTIVITY, SOME OF WHOM WERE STILL THERE, WERE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED AND WERE BEING SEXUALLY ASSAULTED. AND THIS AMAZING MAN RAMY, HE IS A HERO, A PRIVATE CITIZEN. ON OCTOBER 7 THE SIRENS GO OFF. HE DROVE TO THE BATTLEGROUND WITH THE TERRORISTS THERE, SAVED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE. BUTTER WENT WITH HIM TO A FOREST, THIS HUGE MAN IS SITTING THERE AMONGST TREES CRYING AND HE SAID ON THESE TREES THERE WAS WOMAN AFTER WOMAN NAKED TIED TO THE TREE, LEGS SPREAD, BLOODY, CLEARLY RAPED. AND HE WAS CRYING THAT HE DIDN'T GET THERE IN TIME TO SAVE THEM. AND I THINK WE ARE BLIND IN THIS MOMENT TO WHAT HAPPENED HERE. THE POLITICS OF TODAY ARE MAKING US NOT REALIZE THAT SEXUAL VIOLENCE IS NOT OKAY. RAPE IS NEVER RESISTANCE. AND THIS IS ONE THING NO MATTER WHAT ELSE YOU THINK SHOULD HAPPEN IN THE MIDDLE EAST, WE CAN ALL BE UNITED IN STANDING AGAINST. >> I'VE BEEN TOLD CREDIBLY THAT SOME OF THE WOMEN STILL BEING HELD IN GAZA ARE PREGNANT FROM THESE RAPES. HOW HORRIFYING IS THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW IF -- I DON'T KNOW THAT. I DO KNOW THAT WOMAN AFTER WOMAN AFTER WOMAN, AND MEN, WERE RAPED, KILLED, KILLED AND THEN RAPED, RAPED AND THEN KILLED. BRUTALLY -- SOME OF THE PICTURES I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO UNSEE. DIDN'T HAPPEN TO ME, BUT IT HAPPENED TO THEM. GENITAL MUTILATION. AND IT HAPPENED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS. THIS WAS SYSTEMATIC, THIS IS RAPE AS A TOOL OF WAR AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE FIRMLY AGAINST, EVERYONE. >> AND WE HAVE BEEN COVERING EXTENSIVELY THE HORRORS RESPECT ATROCIIES AGAINST CIVILIANS. THIS DOES NOT, YOU KNOW -- THIS DOCUMENTARY, YOUR REPORTING, DOES NOT CHANGE THAT. IT DOESN'T NEGATE ANY OF THAT. SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ASPECT OF THE HIDEOUS NATURE OF THIS WAR ON BOTH SIDE TITLE IS "SCREAMS BEFORE VIOLENCE." WHY DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE BEEN SO SILENT ABOUT THESE ATROCITIES UNTIL YOU AND SOME OTHER WOMEN WENT TO THE UNITED NATIONS? >> THESE WITH CRAZY POLARIZED TIMES. AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE POLARIZED, THEY HAVE EVERY VIEW AND THEY WANT EVERY SINGLE FACT TO FIT IN THEIR NARRATIVE. WHAT IS HAPPENING IN GAZA IS AWFUL. ANY CIVILIAN LIFE LOST ON ANY SIDE IS TOO MANY. NONE OF US SHOULD WANT WAR. BUT EVEN IF YOU BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED ON OCTOBER 7 IS RESISTANCE, AND I DON'T, I WANT TO BE CLEAR, BUT EVEN IF YOU BELIEVE THAT, SEXUAL VIOLENCE IS STILL NOT OKAY BECAUSE RAPE IS NEVER RESISTANCE. AND PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE TRUTH HERE. AND IF IT DOESN'T NEATLY FIT INTO YOUR NARRATIVE, THAT IS BEING ON. BECAUSE THINGS ARE NOT SO BLACK AND WHITE. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT UNTIL JUST 30 YEARS AGO, RAPE WAS JUST CONSIDERED PART OF WAR. IT HAS ONLY BEEN 30 YEARS SINCE YUGOSLAVIA, BOSNIA, THE DRC, WHERE RAPE STARTED GETTING PROSECUTED AS A WAR CRIME, AS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. SO IN THIS MOMENT NO MATTER WHAT ELSE WE BELIEVE, WE HAVE TO HOLD THAT AND NOT TURN A BLIND EYE. BECAUSE IF BACK SLIDE ON RAPE, WOMEN ALL OVER THE WORLD LOSE. THIS IS HAPPENING UKRAINE, SUDAN, ETHIOPIA AROUND THE WORLD. WE CANNOT LET THE POLITICS OF TODAY BACK SLIDE ON THIS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT POINT. >> YOU'VE SAID THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT WORK OF YOUR LIFE. YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN PUBLIC SERVICE IN THE CORPORATE WORLD, OBVIOUSLY IN I.T. BUT THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE. "SCREAMS BEFORE SILENCE." >> YES, I BELIEVE IT IS. BECAUSE WOMEN'S BODIES NEED TO BE PROTECTED. MEN'S BODIES NEED TO BE PROTECTED. WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE RAPED. WOMEN SHOULD NEVER BE GENITALIZED. SO I REALLY HOPE PEOPLE CAN WATCH THIS DOCUMENTARY BECAUSE YOU CAN HEAR IT FOR YOURSELF, FROM FIRST RESPONDER, FROM RELEASED HOSTAGES. JUST WATCH WITH AN OPEN MIND SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENS. >> SHERYL SANDBERG, AGAIN, THE DOCUMENTARY IS "SCREAMS BEFORE SILENCE." THANK YOU.
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Length: 8min 25sec (505 seconds)
Published: Mon Apr 29 2024
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