Sean Payton is STILL MAD at Michael Thomas

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[Music] all right everybody welcome to another edition of st tapiart podcast perfect start perfect chef's kiss hey yeah everybody we're on twitch as you know pound that donate button pound that donate button so thomas can get paid in vladi devots or whatever we pay him in polish uh you can donate that way uh by the way the funniest clip that that people listening watching the show make we're going to play at every episode we're going to play the funniest clip so make yourself a twitch clip of this show and maybe we'll play it next week thomas got some funny clips to do uh the first person that donates five bucks they get a vip badge after we get uh affiliate status and sub badge i don't know what that is but thomas says it's pretty cool so donate make it happen all right the show start was as bad as the saints news day today it it really was i don't know where to start let's start with this uh michael thomas andrew uh he started off monday with an instagram post saying that uh other people are trying to ruin his reputation but he stayed quiet or something something and then he liked to post later today oh there it is he said uh he said they tried to damage your reputation you saved theirs by not telling your side of the story hey michael you can tell us anytime you want just tell us what's going on and then andrew he looks like the first thing he's tweeted since the middle of june yeah yeah that's right keep that in mind he hasn't tweeted since like june 6th or something like that so here's the question dave when he says they is he talking about the saints or is he talking about jeff duncan or us or us uh no i think he's talking about the saints uh you know the second i saw this i was like oh my god i can't here we go i can't believe i can't believe this is the [ __ ] we have to deal with now um it it's been zero days since our last uh you know [ __ ] yeah comments counter date for somebody since you're out to a great start dave they literally told me to stop cursing before the show and here i am and you blasted immediately yeah i'm like blaming it on ralph i'm like no ralph's way worse than me um [ __ ] that so let's go [Music] solve your problems with aggression solve your problems with aggression after i got over the initial shock uh my second thought was this has to do with this has to do with doctors and injuries um you know there's a story behind this and michael thomas is obviously unhappy with the saints that he's unhappy with whatever narrative uh he thinks they're pushing out but i immediately said this has to do this this my impression is that um uh thomas had an injury this goes back to last year he had some in you know he had his injury last year early in the season um maybe the saints told him one thing as far as how to deal with his injury and maybe he listened to that and then the saints now are upset because you know michael thomas did what the saints wanted to do and that's kind of led him to this path now and now they're upset with with their request and they're in the results of that request um that's what's up i'm taking the fat head off the wall it's i mean it's this is this is obviously purely speculation but i i think it has to i think obviously there is obviously an issue between michael thomas and the saints and the coaching staff well here's the thing andrew he he he liked a tweet later that pff retweeted he said yeah it was basically he didn't get the surgery because the saints pressured him because they wanted to get through a ring and everybody was like yeah that makes sense but it to me it didn't make any sense that michael thomas would have been like last year hey i need to get this surgery and this it makes sense that the saints would have been like hey hold off we can win a super bowl try to play through it that makes total sense the saints wouldn't want would wouldn't have wanted him to get the surgery last year during the season but it makes no sense if he wanted the surgery during the 2020 season that he wouldn't have got it the week after the tampa game that makes no sense yeah well so look i i think he i don't know if he wanted to get it after the tampa game i think it's more and this shouldn't be surprising to michael thomas but look yeah i think michael times michael thomas's gripe is that he gets answered michael thomas answered the phone yeah it's the rams game um he he is disappointed that i i think he he's been out of shape because the saints asked him to play after his injury they're like nope you're good you can play and as soon as the season ends they're like nap you need surgery cam jordan has complained about this in the past i don't know if you remember this but cam jordan played through some stuff i think this was a year ago and right when the season ended they said yeah dude you need core surgery and because this muscle was ripped off the bone remember and cam jordan says cam jordan says it's huh interesting as soon as the season ends they tell me i need surgery he actually tweeted that out and so this isn't new right like uh that's the business of the nfl the teams are willing to roll the dice and let you play and and this is the thing about those kind of injuries where it's like in the gray area it's not a torn acl or an achilles where you can't play you're done you need surgery it's cut and dry it's clear these gray areas where you've got the delvin bro x-ray and it's inconclusive right or the michael thomas situation or we're like you get different opinions and some doctors are like dude kind of need surgery and another doctor may say you know he could probably play on it and maybe get through the season and you could decide to have surgery and shut him down or he could try to play through it and he might be good and he might not be and obviously that's the area so you have to make these tough calls and i think so that exists in the nfl and it affects athletes and it's a thing we know that athletes should know that but i think the problem here is that we're also dealing with a player that's really stubborn that's really immature and that's posted cryptic stuff on social media that has tended to go to social media to lash out as opposed to dealing with someone man-to-man and handling the issue he has decided to not answer phone calls from the people that cut the checks and i i think there's a real lack of maturity and a lack of professionalism i can't work here anymore anyway well so actually that it's interesting that you say that because i actually do think michael thomas will play for the saints again and i think in a perfect world both sides would be happy to part ways but they can't and it's not that dissimilar from aaron rodgers and it's not that dissimilar from russell wilson in a perfect world i think both quarterbacks wanted to play for different teams this year but they signed deals it's very cap prohibitive it's not just that you can trade a supreme player for great draft picks it's that you've got to deal with the cap ramifications of trading them away and and it's prohibitive and so it's the same thing with michael thomas the saints aren't going to take a 22 million dollar cap hit next year to trade him they're just not so that's great that the saints are fed up with this that's not a science it's it's great that the saints are fed up with him and and it's fine that like michael thomas wants out but like i have a hard time seeing that happen dave you want a dog pile in the saints dog what about next year can we can we can we trade him next year for aaron rodgers you can trade him you can trade him after june and you can make it'll only be 13 million dollar dead cap hit if you trade him after june interesting but dave i want to pile on the doctor i mean like andrew summed it up he he mentioned uh you know prior cases i think he mentioned delvin breaux um you know this is fairly bad doctoring nick nick fairley's uh that's different i mean i don't think they're necessarily looking for a hole in your heart or something like that i don't know yeah um but yeah no i mean this is i i again i agree with everything said i mean there's probably some blame to go around on the saints part and i would say there's probably some blame to go around on michael thomas's part in the way he's handling the situation ajar you evan said it pretty well actually uh thomas if you check out the uh what i sent in our direct messages you can pull up the tweet but i think jarry evans summed it up pretty well he says look i think michael thomas is a tremendous player but he misplayed this if you have an injury and you go into the off season if you have an injury you have to go into the off season with a plan and his decisions didn't help so you know the bottom line is i get that there's distrust i get that he would want a second opinion those are all i get that he's unhappy but you don't return phone calls you don't show up to your second appointment and then all of a sudden you're getting surgery in june like that's that's unacceptable yeah well the other thing that's unacceptable dave is we fell down on the job and didn't realize that when will lutz had the just the inkling of a groin injury that his groin was gonna explode and he was gonna have to fly to philadelphia to get the mesh from dr meyers like we should have been on that when everything goes bad for the saints you knew as bad as this summer was going somebody's groin was going to explode yeah minor groin tweak is always core surgery waiting to happen hernia it happens every year to the saints we should have seen it coming fourth hernia and it was a kicker like of all positions kicker is the one where like if you have a groin injury that's the problem but dave did does the will lutz injury does it does with all the crap that the saints have had this summer does it not phase you does it do you just just bounce off of you or does it or does it tilt you over the edge and you're like oh this is the last straw now i'm completely panicked over 2021. uh at this point i think i'm i think i'm getting a little numb to it i think you kind of hit the nail on the head there dave carriello panic meter is at what well fever pitch well see the thing is is my my the way i react to panic is i just go the other way and i'm just like [ __ ] it and i i don't pay attention to it i just forget about it i don't let it bother me i go zen uh so i i mean my panic level is way up here but i'm you know you're not going to get that from me i'm not going to act that way i've already resigned myself i'm thinking when are we doing season prediction i'm i'm six and 11. people want to tr people asked if we trade thomas what would happen what can the saints get if we trade thomas executive producer extraordinaire for the show you go back to audio that sounds like a bottom of a swimming pool and you go back to the chroma key color that isn't live stupid you don't want any of that but thomas here's the thing andrew i was panicked about lutz and i thought it was really bad but then i heard sean payton in his press conference after practice today he sounded like a guy that maybe will lutz isn't going to be back isn't going to be out as long as we thought thomas play sean payton from the uh from the post practice we started muscle strain and then last week it progressed some and so rather than wait we're gonna have go ahead and have that done right away um and i don't have a time frame i didn't see his pr announcement um but that's where we're at with it michael thomas is watching that and he's probably like he's getting surgery right away huh thomas cleaned up that audio because that audio in real time sounded like peyton was at an iron factory just so you know i just want to let people know that the saints audio is worse quality than ours that's what i want to say continue dave well he just stamped trampled all over my joke i just i made the joke and that was sorry it's the worst joke i've ever heard well yeah it is the worst joke i've ever heard because you can't even hear it because ralph was talking over half of it all right sorry continue to continue i i made the joke i made the joke sit in the silence they signed some kicker i've never heard of yeah bill maher how did you get the bill more fat head on your wall already yeah it's impressive that was quick bro bill maher that's the that's kind of hbo the host from hbo oh liberal host that everyone hates liberal is he comedy he's the yeah he's i saw him in palm springs his comedy show oh like but he was right worse 75 dollars i ever spent uh it's brett marr by the way by the way but bill maher's brother dave ralph can't say anyone's name right how how big a loss is this if he's not back till october i don't know i don't know anything about bill maher's brother brett so i mean who knows he could be he could be really good i mean i don't know where'd this guy come from andrew's in front of a computer i've never heard of him yeah he uh so you don't remember so i remember this guy because he made like 360 yard kicks with the cowboys i think he has the nfl record for most made 60-yard kicks in a career 60-plus he's the dude that missed like four field goals and then they caught him the next day yeah yeah so he's like he's got like now i'm worried now he's got a ridiculous leg and no no accuracy i i compared him to the cam newton of kickers in other words he has no accuracy but at his peak at a ceiling it's awesome right he's hit three kicks over 60 yards so you have these moments of oh my god the strongest leg i've ever seen and then you know he and then points right yeah i think he i think yeah i think he has actually missed extra points i'm sure he has yeah well now i'm not feeling so good he's only so so his career long is 63 so you know that speaks to his leg strength no uh i think that was in dallas that he hit that one um he's never kicked for denver but um he uh he's only 74 percent which you know at this stage i feel like that's poverty kicking and yeah i feel like all kickers are above 80 in the league so like 74 is incredibly low for a kicker i feel like yeah and he was 20 for 30 his last year that was two years ago and he's got that's two out of three yeah dave when is let's go is the will lutz injury is it the least of your concerns not anymore jesus christ um is it the least of mike at least i i think my i think biggest is mike thomas uh i just i don't i don't know i don't see him you know andrew says andrew says the saints aren't going to trade mike thomas and that's fine but he still may not play a damn down for the saints i'm going to make a prediction mike thomas he's going to have as many touchdown catches this year as me because he did last year in a row that's my prediction yeah um and i don't like that prediction and it's upsetting because um you know in a season where we have a new quarterback whether it's going to be taysom or whether it's going to be jameis uh whoever it is i know damn well either one of those guys would really like to have mike thomas out on the field uh helping them and making them look good um so it's a little jordan season you know what really scares me about this new kicker is that it became personal with me sean payton kind of got stubborn with will lutz remember and he was like this guy is too talented he did the same thing with deontay too and he was like is deontay remember he had a fumble problem and with both players he was like these guys are too talented we've got to find a way to coach them up and we've got to find a way to you know any of these bad habits that they have any of these struggles that they have we need to find a way to coach them out well what's his problem wasn't mrs though wasn't lutz's problems he got like a bunch of kicks blocked yeah it was a trajectory thing but he did miss some kicks too but yeah it was more of a trajectory thing where he would get him blocked but so they coached it out of the players and and obviously the rest is history will lutz and deontay have been very successful for the saints but i wonder if that's gone to sean payton's head a little bit and so now he's like just go get me the most talented guy you can find it we'll coach any problems out of them okay and this this kicker you know he might not be salvageable you know eventually this is going to come back to bite him i would have rather just dave them sign like an old crusty veteran that's like john automatic from like janikowski john carter automatic from 40 yards an inch did you did you guys see that picture of uh thomas morested standing on john carney's shoulders this week there you go john carney looks as fit as ever like he actually looks really strong now like he looks like a bodybuilder he looks ridiculous get him the f in camp i will happily take john carney back john carney could still bang through a 40-yard field goal to win a game i'm sure of it um andrew the saints did have some good news this week uh go tigers uh quan alexander he's back here's my question to you if if alexander is starting week one what does that tell you about bonn and werner i think it says that he's better than them and i i don't i don't know that i would expect bond i i i would see that as a good thing because i i i actually think quan is a really good nfl player when he's healthy and if he's playing at 100 percent then he should beat out pete warner and zach bond you want to know why because pete werner was a second round pick and zach bond was a third round pick so i don't know that those guys are more talented than quan alexander and i don't think they should be so i think it's okay like i still feel good about linebacker if they don't beat out quan alexander i don't all of a sudden write them off as not good players i still think there's going to be an opportunity for them at some point to contribute this year because quan has never gone a full season some country in africa is going to be getting a lot of bond on the bayou shirts welcome to uk it could be uganda maybe dave is just dave is just trying to get the merch angle so the saints also signed a corner adonis alexander never heard of him josh peterson that's doug peterson the old eagles coach that's his son um and dave just when we thought we didn't have any potential corners to trade for because david howard uh miami d redid his deal gave him more money we learned today cj henderson of the jaguars is up on the trading block so of course the saints are interested according to jeff duncan but here's the reason why i wanted to happen dave if they trade for cj henderson i can merge cj henderson and chauncey gardner-johnson and i can never be wrong because it's cj the initials yes we would have two cj's oh boy that's there's a sitcom there's an 80s sitcom name in there somewhere i don't know what it's called though but here's my question yes cj cj and pj i'm ready for this i am all in on this how do we make this happen who do we gotta get you you gotta have time like one mighty we'll give them mike thomas they can have him what what would you give what would you give the jaguars dave for cj henderson knowing that he's he was the ninth pick in the 2020 draft and they're already looking to trade him yeah i was gonna say you know what dave's asking you know what dave's saying next well wait a minute he was the ninth pick in the draft yeah he was we already had last year oh well we already have prince amu kamara he was like he was like the sixth pick or something he's making me almost um what would i trade from well i would give both of your testicles ralph definitely i would offer that up would you give my good arm i would definitely give him your good arm yeah um yeah i would too no i don't know i mean do you shoot your dick even given the position the saints are in i'd like to see them hold on to their assets their assets being uh their draft picks uh i think they're going to need those in the future whether it's to get the quarterback of the future that they want or whether it's to fill the myriad holes they have on this roster um there's quite a few so you know so i don't know i i and i don't know whether they're going to be willing to do that and if they're not i don't know whether they're going to have enough ammunition to uh to to play with the another team that's going to want cj henderson that's going to be willing to give up more again if we're talking players obviously mike thomas you know that's been going around or that's that idea has been thrown out there but i don't know how feasible that is player for player trades that's highly unusual um so i don't know i don't know if they're really uh i think that i i see them more just sticking with their current uh philosophy was which is going through the discount bin at the best buy and seeing what they can pick up as opposed to uh blowing it all on uh on a big name but i could be wrong can i just throw out one uh one tidbit ralph what's that cj henderson's razz score was a nine point nine seven oh never oh my god never mind jeff jeff ireland has had to change his underwear hourly yeah the panthers your mother laid out for you as he calls loomis uh to tell him to make this happen oh my god i mean that's a lot that is latch locks i mean andrew i would say the saints would probably do anything but a first if he's he's raising almost a 10 on the rad score he's like yeah you're a fawcett bo yeah had i known that i've known that okay maybe i could see them giving away a second or third round pick for that because uh that's what they're gonna draft that guy somebody like that anyway uh next year so all right i take that all back but yeah but but my point still stands like like ralph said i i think they're going to want to hold on to their first round pick because you're going to want to be flexible i mean check the time stamp on this the thing is trading the first run pick i said it today andrew that could be that could be it could be pick six it could be pick 26 and that's too wide of a variance you can't not gonna be you can't be given that it is first round pick up for any player no no chance it's not going to be 26. so we've had it's been a kind of a bumpy podcast we want to be positive tonight but and i want to talk about this thomas get cue up the sound for about peyton turner because andrew the defensive and offensive lines have looked amazing for the saints um and i know we talked about maybe they add someone a defensive line at defensive tackle but this pass rush like marcus davenport apparently was dominant in the red zone today but the defensive line the investments that they've made it seems to be at least paying off initially andrew from 10 days in you see him each day you know whether it's a tip pass whether it's uh you know a win on a pass rush um continue to working with working with him on on the run game but he's having a good camp you know for a young player a couple of the offensive linemen have mentioned like his plan and that it's a little bit surprising is that something you've noticed he's smart and so i think he's a fairly mature kid for his age and [Music] you know when we get into the games we'll have a chance to see him you know versus someone else live and that'll be good for our evaluation but i think he's coming along well peyton turner gonna make everybody eat it andrew i hope so no uh look i i think a lot of saints fans were down on that pick uh and um obviously my you my initial reaction is now a gift gift yeah but uh it's it's super encouraging it's super encouraging because the timing is so essential just with davenport being in a contract year and the amount of injuries he's had we don't know what's going gonna go what's gonna happen with him cam jordan had a down year uh you know hopefully he can bounce back from that but there's a little concern just about how he's looking and so i just think from a timing standpoint they really need a new defensive end and an explosive one and if he can kind of hit the ground running that would absolutely be huge and i think create some options for the saints in terms of how they figure out their roster next year or last remember last year's training camp when the cornerbacks were doing so awesome well ken crawley's rocking it this year dave my question to you is i give you 200 you're in vegas who has more sacks davenport payton turner or andrew's udfa adopted son carl granderson i am going to say i'm gonna say i'm gonna say okay marcus davenport i don't think he's gonna you know he's gonna he's in a contract year i know i know but he's gonna play like the fewest games because he's gonna be injured he's gonna get some injury he's not gonna play a full season i don't know enough about peyton i'm gonna go with granderson yeah i was kind of thinking that too i i will say though with davenport ralph when you were saying he was looking good with davenport i i just like i i've got myself excited about him before until he's doing it in regular season games i don't want to hear about it i yeah if you miss me with any positive news about marcus davenport in camp and preseason games i don't care until he gets a sack in a real game then we could talk well that's and that's the reason why and that's the reason why i wasn't going to pick peyton turner in that situation because i you know one we haven't ever seen him play in a real game yeah but he hasn't hurt you dave no he hasn't but two but i yeah no correct he had but i he he's been compared to marcus davenport ever since he's been dr drafted he's been you know that raw talent that the saints might have reached for in the draft and so until he he's he sees marcus two firsts two uh until uh until his money he's one first he's marcus won first but uh until he does something in a regular season game but yeah i i again so granderson's the only one i guess who's proven anything in a regular season game so i'm gonna go with him andrew we're 35 minutes in and we haven't talked about quarterbacks yet um they both threw their first interceptions camp in the last couple days um jameis i think is ahead a little bit or is it substantial somewhere in between that i would say he's ahead a decent amount so are you saying like in the dual quarterback system he's going to get like 55 percent of the snaps to take some 45 is that is that what you're saying andrew i think it's gonna be more similar to last year than we think in terms of snaps with james being drew got it i can't believe my dual quarterback thing hasn't started trending yet that's that's where that's what i'm leaning right now well here's here's the thing jameis he is a complete i knew he was a goofball but he is a com he's a goofball on a level that i didn't quite understand i mean it's uncomfortable it makes beyonce funny play the funny clip of jameis thomas he it his his ridiculousness is trying too hard he's delightful you know uh he's there it is he's running he's running through the gauntlet he's he looks like me coming out of f and m's in like 1998 just like stumbling disaster is like right at the precipice of happening but he he he pulls it together right at the end now check out the longer version of this clip like what is he doing like he doesn't have to do this drill you know he did it to himself but check it out because he's trying too hard to be the leader of the team he is he's just so terrible oh my god um but i mean dave do you agree with that do you think do you think jameis is is has kind of not pulled away but he's significantly ahead so far well again uh i look forward to seeing how peyton uses both quarterbacks equally this season but um i i don't know it's still it's still neck and neck i mean like yeah maybe maybe you know taste some we don't what we're not seeing is like taysom's running ability and his ability to like make things happen make plays happen like you're not right you can't do that in practice it's like literally the nfl does not allow him to do that kind of stuff especially says he's wearing a red jersey uh and if he can't get hit he's not fumbling yeah and so i mean yeah so well hey dave golf taste some fumblings like a quadruple bogey he fumbles saturday it's like death correct quadruple i mean i i'll say maybe double i mean you know in the world of professional golfing a double bogey is like a quadruple bookie for for you and me but uh yeah hold on for you maybe let's let's not acquaint you oh i didn't know right oh yeah okay yeah i broke 90. on occasion what playing golf yeah seriously short tease what at autumn ladies tease at a part three executive course no no no on the on the city park south no seriously yes i usually get a one-armed 90. that is the worst joke i've ever heard you shot at 89. with four mulligans but the south course of city well one day one day on another podcast maybe in the off season i'll tell you about my old neighbor who was the world's greatest blind golfer but uh what the hell were you talking about oh yeah so i you know it's it's really you know it it's really hard to tell it's it's really hard to tell who's who's winning and who's going to get this job and i don't know i mean it really may come down to the games it really makes it yeah i mean yeah the preseason games i think still are going to matter the most yeah so jason says the saints could go five and 12 with jameis and get the pic and get a pick six the irony but dave even though you said even though you just said mean things about my golf game which i haven't played golf since katrina uh we did have i had thomas create a special sound bite for your udfa adopted son little jordan uh thomas play the sound bite that we're gonna play every time little jordan gets mentioned from now on it became personal with me that's michael jordan from uh the last dance that's my intention a little jordan sound white maybe it didn't hit like i thought it didn't that joke didn't land i think it kind of come out yeah it's not that great keep workshop yeah whatever you want what did you tell them you told the listeners to do what to create a clip and enter it uh yeah and give us ideas yeah well that's definitely not going to be entered that's a whiff but dave sean payton talked about your udfa son and how good he's looking at camp and how he's progressed thomas play the clip fair to say uh little jordan humphreys kind of made some strides as a receiver i think this week has been a pretty good week you know he catches the ball well naturally in his hands you know he can stay on the ground without jumping he's had a few good catches inside he's pretty smart player hmm good you know good things to hear from the from the boss man jordan he does have good genes he does have good genes he's he's he's the little to the big are you feeling good about little jordan getting a locker dad i feel comfortable i think at this point if the season were to start today i think he's i think he's on the 53-man roster now i'm not going to go crazy he's not the number one guy marquez marquez callaway um i think is the leader in the clubhouse i think right now he's your number one uh and then traequan but i you know i i think i think he i think he gets a spot i think he gets a spider paints otis especially while deontay's gone that him and deontay are uh are uh in the same kind of family of dave you look like an astronaut when you're reclined you it's very it's very weird ground control to major towns hey tomas check the time stamp on this you gotta save that bullet in the chamber for when we start drafting udface yeah so the last sound bite the last soundbite i got is i think the guy who's gonna if you told me pick a guy for the saints that's gonna break out and be amazing this year it's cd deuce i think he's gonna be fantastic he talked about today how he doesn't like people which i which i loved we didn't have that sound but sean payton talked about his um his progress as a player and how he tries to walk the line of of you know being being a jerk uh not getting penalized and sean payton mentioned also this he mentioned how uh chauncey gonna johnson is trying to work on being more detail-oriented i thought that was interesting thomas play the clip well it's it's his personality and you never want to um you know you never want to change someone's personality his his focus on the details is something he's working on you know as you watch the cut up from a year ago you know understanding the leverage understanding the scheme and and really fine-tuning the little things um but yeah i mean it's an emotional game and uh and you know he's one of those players that that obviously plays with that type of emotion and it's just you know making sure that it doesn't cross the line but he had a good practice today would you say you've seen good things out of him in this camp overall yeah and yet still there's some technique things that we want to clean up early on especially early on and it's just playing play out onto the next play the exactness of his position and the attention to detail is something that i know that is a big area of emphasis and yeah he understands that his attention to detail not having people punch him in the face andrew or is that getting more people to punch him in the face yeah you know i he's clearly got i think the emotional side getting in people's heads uh the confidence the swagger uh all that and so i think how he gets to the next level when you say him when you call him a breakout player and you say that's a guy you could see really taking it to the next level i really think it's about dialing in the little things the small things that that's you know small if you stack up enough small wins then you get big gains and i think right now that's where he's at i think he he's really far along in terms of the aggression the emotional side of the game uh the physical side uh and i think there's just little things with technique that i think are gonna push him over the hump to make him elite he's really close i i i think he's i agree that he's an underrated player in the league and i think he's maybe how many people i'm gonna disagree with andrew uh wholeheartedly right there i think that cj gardner johnson is you almost said henderson there yeah wait are we talking about cj henderson or cj or pg or pj williams no pj gardner johnson uh robinson actually i'm gonna disagree with andrew i think uh cj's apparently in the twilight of his career because we are hey tomas check the timestamp on this we are now a week and a half in a training camp nobody's punched him nobody has punched him yet yeah it's just i think he's lost i think he's lost it i think he's lost his mojo mojo uh how many people does he have not expecting to buy his jersey no it's not about who he punches it's about who punches him punching you see now i guess it's my thomas has been out i guess you know well at this point i think the saints only chance to win week one against the packers is for cj to get half the panthers packers rejected yeah you get aaron rodgers i just thought about the eyes yeah great t-shirt idea you remember the xfl the guy he hate me on the back of the jersey see cj garner johnson he punched me on the back of the jedi where's the where's the office space sound bite that is a terrible terrible idea horrible this idea stop looking for it just stop you missed it it's over don't you have you ever heard in my lifetime yes yes this idea nice a little late but it's all right yeah um a little bit so before we get to the udfa uh the adopted udfa sun draft i want to remind pound the donate button on twitch so thomas can get paid in vladi dvats uh check out the timestamps on youtube thomas has gone all out for the time stamp so that way if you don't want to watch the whole show you don't want to listen you just go to you go to youtube boom boom boom hit the time stamps jump around to the topics and you can get in and out if you want to listen to the show if you don't listen to the show on like super high speed uh on podcast some people listen to it like two times the speed if you don't want to do that just hit the time stamps on youtube it's great you should subscribe to the youtube channel we're doing fun stuff over there i've had people i've had people tell me that when they hear us in normal speed that like if they watch us live for example as opposed to they're used to maybe listening just a 2x or 1.5 x it sounds like we've all had a stroke my good buddy does that and it's like and i get into his car and he's listening to our podcast at one and a half time speed you know and obviously to me it sounds like we're the chipmunks but it's like i i don't get people that can do that two times speed is even to me that's nuts yeah that's nuts i can't do 2x 1.5 x i can handle 2x is yeah it's too much so it's time for the the 2021 adopted sun udfa draft uh the dragon ball this year put the lit that put the uh put the list up the the draft order is thomas uh me then andrew kevin picks fourth he's in the chat so he can make his pick although he gave us the list and then dave because dave won last year his adopted son malcolm roach won the competition yeah if you're curious what thomas looks like there there's his face here it is it's right yeah ladies if you got any ladies in the house take photos uh this udfa list is sad like yeah of all the years that we've this is the third year we've done done this and i'll let both of you talk i i have zero confidence in my pick like this this group is just not good so do i do i go ahead and tell you guys right now that dylan stoner is on ir or do i just let you pick him so that andrew's andrew's making my point for me i am a norway i blame you you gave me the list well no but not that the this should have been done before training camp started yes uh like now we like i'm not gonna get into detail but like there are people on this list that i would have easily picked beforehand and now that training camp has started it's like i don't know he's excited i don't know neil's kid because that would have been fun for jokes and then he got cut already and that would have been hilarious yeah we gotta this has to be done in mid-july yes fair enough we'll do it and we'll do it in mid we'll do it in mid july the season is gonna go check the time stamp on this next we got to do it going in the camp next year yes in the camp yeah yeah we got to do it before but going into camp getting camp reports so executive producer extraordinaire thomas he gets to pick first thomas who are you picking okay with the first pick in the annual adopted rookie udfa draft i pick stevie scott deferred right oh what's his hey he's doing what he's doing with his raz score stevie scott the third doing what stevie scott the first and stevie scott the second could never do how many times is he if he scores a touchdown in the preseason game do we call him michael scott as a compliment or if he fumbles do we call him michael scott from the office as a slur i think it's a slur so i i'm on the clock now this one's this one's really hard because the tennessee guy he's just calling my name because the saints they do more with tennessee players than tennessee does uh so thomas hit the chime did you tell him who you are so i'm thinking i'm thinking hey can i get my picking ahead of him as if he if he blows [Laughter] so there you go there's my there's my pick i don't feel good about it but there it is okay okay okay i see him i see him wait where did where where do you want us to send this on discord on this coach when it's your pick it doesn't matter just send it to me wherever okay so with the second pick in the annual adopted udfa rookie draft ralph marlborough selects bryce thompson cornerback all my children have failed me in the three years of this draft uh what happened to the trill guy is he he's not he got naked then they cut him and then the dolphins claimed him he would have been he would have been my guy because just it's fun to say trill um but i picked thompson i feel like tennessee guys man and the saints they could have an injury at corner something could happen you never know that's my guy bryce do your daddy proud so andrew you are on the clock yeah i was gonna take uh bryce thompson so uh you know yeah i'm so i'm surprised i still haven't gotten the pick right now yeah i just i i i just uh sent it to you but yeah bryce thompson was gonna be my pick so i'm very disappointed that you know i agree with ralph that he's probably just a special teams he's probably got the best shot but i'm gonna pull up paige out of the old dave carriello book here strategy wise okay so uh the pick is in [Music] with the third pick in the annual adopted rook udfa draft and andre george selects josiah josiah bronson defensive tackle yeah i just felt like i had to go with that position group you know they're sitting there with onyamata out there's an opportunity to maybe make the team they're a little sin at that position so it's also fun to say yeah what kevin like the only place that we send each other messages he already gave us his list didn't you yeah yeah yeah i got it i got it he you got his pick yeah yeah yeah yeah okay i i got the pick i got uh set it up so uh took a bit more so of course kevin evans yelling though yeah i feel like kevin i feel like kevin this pick last year for tony jones was we laughed at it i feel he almost won he if that guy wouldn't have got hurt against carolina he'd had the hundred yards that ty montgomery had and kevin would have won the whole thing yes so i mean we mocked kevin because he doesn't know the players but here we go the peak is in the peak is in so in the 2021 uh annual adopted uh rookie udfa draft kevin hilt selects nolan cooney ponte come on that was my pick goddammit [Laughter] getting his guy screwing over dave this is reading reading the public discord chat but here's the thing wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait are you [ __ ] kidding me thomas did he do that he saw my pick and then he took oh no he he's not into the group how come he he he turned in his pick i think i think cooney was at the top of his board yeah he well he wasn't he did he sent in ahead of time so i was only cooney's not going to make the team so whatever [ __ ] you kevin and jordan i know yeah yeah and you still wanted to pick him dave well because just for shits and giggles totally right ralph ralph excuses yeah [Laughter] well i'm i'm heated all right that don't normally get this hot uh all right well i don't you know what i'm last i don't need this well i guess i do need to send it to to the commissioner yeah yeah you gotta pick a dude with the first name shaq right no all right hold on well i got a lot of connection you know i could go dylan's my son's name uh he's on ir oh yeah okay well then i'm not all right that would be fun that that would be hysterical maybe maybe he's going to replace michael thomas you know all right switch to the wide receiver this sucks this is terrible oh my god uh all right play the music uh play the music uh commissioner i'll tell you you still haven't sent me the fake i know all right great uh with the here was the ralph you're 2021 annual adopted rookie udfa son draft uh dave carriello is picking lawrence woods cornerback uh and i'm only picking him because at this point he's probably got about as even a shot as all the other cornerbacks they've signed in the last week everybody's coming in fresh nobody knows the playbook and everybody's new what the hell come on lawrence woods let's make it happen i like that welcome to the family josiah go see uh granderson don't don't go to keith washington he's on ir but that's right felix anderson says in the chat i have bryce thompson right here on my wall he's already quick ralph i got him impressive ah next to the bill maher thank you i i was gonna i was gonna take shaq smith i was really in between bronson and smith yes yeah anyway it's over now we may have we may have a a difficult time this year because the first year was great fun because we had granderson and little jordan both active both playing last year roche won but it really wasn't that great this year it may be the guy he doesn't even play he's just active on game day yeah one week the first guy to make a tackle win right the bar is going to be set really low yeah nolan cooney all he needs to do is punt once and kevin's got it so in practice yeah well i mean gilligan's groin could explode and then kevin's winning oh well they that's just everybody thank thomas he did an amazing job with the graphics yeah that was fun sun draft that was great thomas uh by the way i want to remind you people we have only four saints 20 21 season survival mugs left uh nancy tyler nathan they all signed up uh right before the show you can get the mug it's gonna be amazing uh you should do it and they have four left that's if you want them before week one against green bay uh we may order more if people really want them but we're running out of them they're hot cakes people love them dave did an amazing job designing it you should get them thomas it's time for the trivia uh i'm really proud of this trivia i think i think it's gonna confuse and frustrate people and it's not i've got google fired up like last week no you you have to close your eyes this time dave because you are cheating no really no googling google won't help him you dirty cheetah all right so thomas pull up the trivia we need a trivia jingle oh boy can you work you work on that first day put a horrific audio just for jail if we i mean they'll put us in in twitch jail if we play jeopardy why is that quality so terrible it does not sound like that on my phone i want to say this is henry childs no who is that henry's child to catch 60 passes in a season uh it's not henry childs i was thinking it was henry childs i was thinking it was then i was thinking it was jimmy graham i was like there's no way it could be jimmy graham and i was thinking it was wesley walls who had yeah i was about to say wesley wallace yeah uh shocky in 2010 and that billy miller back in the day 2006. um dave parks oh my god jason that's one of you talk about a disaster move by the saints he was a guy he was a free agent the saints signed in the 60s when free agency was illegal and san francisco took away picks from the saints uh hobie brown what toby homie brandon never caught 30 passes in a season benjamin watson andrew googling josh hill billy miller billy miller it's not billy he never caught me no cam cleland is it the that's ubfa who's on ir mark campbell no no so child's never caught 60 passes nope are you sure it's not kobe final [Laughter] look at the silhouette craig scales i mean andrew glover is it is it jimmy graham okay maybe let's tell them let's tell them what's your final final answer guys final answer i'm just thinking if wall if it's not walls and he never caught 60 balls and it's not child's and he never caught 60 balls then i don't think any saints tight end ever has done it before graham and i would say watson has maybe done it since wait i'm saying kobe felina i don't think fleener's never caught 60 balls for the saints give him the drum roll tell him the answer thomas i think it's if it's not child's i'm going to say it's jimmy graham so what's your final answer jimmy graham are you sure yeah that's my pick okay let's let's find out then it does look like jimmy graham he does let's go [Music] let's go [Music] [Applause] dan arnold arnold so what's the most what's the most balls wesley walls caught then 53. really yeah that's it yeah like and what about childs child was in the 50s too childs was really close to sick he had like 57. i don't know i'm looking on this this rancor.com website where they rank the all-time saints tight ends and they have williams at number one over jimmy graham and i mean it's like and they have the stress it says right here you know boo williams played 59 games and at 107 receptions uh for 1100 yards and 12 touchdowns and then right there right below that jimmy grant's 78 games 303 times as many receptions four times as many yards and five times as many touchdowns how could you possibly put pooply oops above jimmy graham maybe his son is surrounding the site you know yeah josh as cleaner caught 60 concussions they also have jeremy shockey third yeah so the only time i'm looking at it now the only tight ends to ever catch 60 balls for the saints in a season are jimmy graham and ben watson obviously graham did it multiple times but ben watson's the only other one yeah and if people uh bud rich has has submitted some trivia questions that i may use but bud rich's uh trivia questions are difficult like trivial pursuit as they should difficult yeah like they're crazy difficult so dave has to google them dude there's there's no hope of googling but rich's trivia questions well lay one on me he's like what's the only thing to have an interception and catch a touchdown pass like it's just yeah like it's the only saints player to get an interception and catch a touchdown pass yeah like feature that that probably flies yeah that's a good one uh that implies probably that it's an old-school player that went both ways or no yeah it's like you gotta you gotta have like a defensive lineman or like a it's like a it you gotta have like a guy that played uh played defense and then got in at the goal line or something you know mm-hmm i'm telling you man bud rich was giving me quality quality trivia chad i don't know that's crazy we'll use them we might fire that one out next week all right so hold oh yeah that's right we got friday me and me and dave probably uh or just me maybe we'll see how dave is i think gonna join me we're gonna do we're gonna do a pre-game show we're gonna preview the saints ravens on saturday uh and it's gonna be great and we're gonna have a fun time join us on twitch again because we gotta get a certain amount of hours to become affiliate so we can give you badges and all kinds of fun stuff and you can subscribe to us via amazon prime and all kinds of cool stuff but we got to get there first so thomas explain to people what the clip of the week is because i'll just ruin it or screw it up and then play the clip of the week okay so the clip of the week is the most viewed clip last week from our last week's show that's it that's it probably the most funniest one but we didn't have that many last week but let's hope it will change for this show okay so let's go the clip of the week sputnik is uh ken crowley clearly is the chinese vaccine apparently and sputnik is the russian one who's the who's the free agent guy they signed from tennessee the udfa thompson or right whatever he's cinovax well adibos clearly none of these adibo adibo is a is a tall glass there you go clip of the week clipped by a dremel yeah we need to do a better job of setting up the clip of the week by the way still not much talk about a diva though corner adibo the unvaccinated well when they get cj henderson up in here yeah it's not a good it's not a good sign that the saints keep adding corners like they signed prince and mukimura they signed adonis alexander they signed brian poole ralph can't get anyone's and he keeps saying we need to add a corner like it's it's still in the news in the media every time we had a corner it's not enough sean payton once more so yeah that's good not a great sign for the unvaccinated corner not good so uh so thomas now it's time to uh hit the music it's time for the uh the ralph shuffle take it to the top [Music] is twitch gonna hit us up with copyright for this thomas you think no i don't think so is that brian hansen or morton anderson singing right there that's a good question i don't know but you know what honestly i mean they probably want this song to go away we could probably get them to pay us to stop playing this song never never never never no we won't accept any money but now it's not like the gym or a sound board it's never going away well whenever we're ready to retire that is freaking stupid that'll be our cash out plan we'll be like all right brian hanson and morton anderson we're gonna stop playing your song if you pay us a million dollars before you ask the questions you know one thing i want to ask is where has drew brees been like i know he's not on the team and he's doing his own thing but don't you feel like he should have interesting gotten gotten he's in his closet thomas calling games he's like don't you think he should have gotten michael thomas on the horn and just been like dude you gotta go or just like pop into practice you know like not like i don't listen to anyone but i just feel like brees is is the person to smooth out i'll be too hard for him to like be around the team you know because he feels like he can probably maybe still play and he's still competitive you know and it's like too it's too emotional to be around the team and not be able to play you know i used to feel that way when i when i was younger and i played hockey like you know like if you were like injured you know it's like if you're injured and you're watching your team play and you can't play you can't be there to help your team it's tough sometimes though he might i still stay all the way thinking of clean break he's making a clean break of it and he's also in his closet like zach yeah he's he's like zach street he's practicing his game calling by uh calling old games of notre dame in his closet i maintain that it's possible there is a scenario i'm not saying it's gonna happen oh brett favre yeah we're like we're gonna breath far of this [ __ ] we're like winston is okay but the saints make the decision not to resign him taste them you know it doesn't work out and the saints get a pretty good first first round draft pick and drew's like you know body's feeling a lot better after a year off healing up yeah wearing the copper sleeve let's run it back you think peyton's gonna go with a triple quarterback that's crazy he's gonna rotate three quarterbacks in a single game on a regular basis holy he really is an offensive wizard yeah all right thomas what next okay first question comes from jason champagne he's back should we encourage david griffin presser to become the official spokesperson for all mike thomas matters david he's he talking he's stuck in the pelvis gm jesus ralph but like david griffin dude he's about to get slapped for tampering like yeah but have you ever seen his press conferences i feel like david griffin is like the most bright and canned responses you'll ever see like i don't know i i i i wouldn't be able to do it justice but i just feel like he's like that's definitely that's definitely what michael thomas needs right now is just like the canned pr the company line stamp i feel like david griffin whenever i whenever i hear him talk he always sounds like he just read some sort of business motivational book yeah and he's trying to use the catch phrases in the press because all right thomas we need synergy that's that's right okay next next question comes from tp uh how do we start the preseason if it's all json are we gonna start our first string or are we going to put thamus behind second string players oh good they're gonna they're gonna decide that this week right i think jason gets the first crack that's my prediction dave who do you think gets in the first preseason game yeah um jameis and then taysom comes out on the second series and then jameis comes down on the third series and then taysom comes out on the fourth series hey alternate i i'm just sorry war goat uh just i i always say his name is it war goat i think it's it's italian it's forgotty we're gotti he he says uh that david griffin's presser is a twitter account that parodies david griffin's press conferences synergy we're a family we're bonded like dave scam went into 5 fps yeah so i think taysom gets the first crack i think but maybe they'll reward jameis for looking a little bit better so yeah i could see it going either way well i'm curious is who who who who sean payton touches and gets to break the news like who gets to break the news of who starts uh well does it really matter lucini it's gotta what does that mean she can't break news yeah she can but i just i don't know how in it plugged in and in the game she is right now yeah i'm gonna say it's gonna be um not shifter it's gonna it's gonna be jeremy jeremy fowler is gonna break the news it's my guest no that's a good guess yeah okay so the next next question ralph you kind of spoiled during the show but it comes from bud rich so i didn't want to make andrew angry okay so badrich asks who will have more sacks this season regardless of how much time they miss marcus ii first or peyton one first [Laughter] eight and one first there it is that's the that's the name i was looking for man if if if the saints hit right on peyton turner they just can't question their drafting ever like ever again until they start losing because people ripped them saints twitter ripped them to shreds experts were ripping them straight if they're right about peyton turner oh my god then and you think about it jeff arlen he'll probably get a job as a gm somewhere yeah notice how budrich qualified the question by saying regardless of how much time they miss because he knows marcus two first i mentioned it earlier when we had this question that you know he's not going to get a full season jason jameson said rossini was breaking news as she was breaking water she never stops working for you that is scary she's the top of the saints power rankings hey thomas check the time stamp on this i wouldn't uh i wouldn't put it buyer what next and next question comes from the wikiman or questions from discord by the way uh wikiman asks what is the mendoza line of player quality for being able to perform shenanigans like michael thomas without being cut it's a good question great question i think well go ahead well i'm going to say i have an answer for this i mean mike thomas is above the mendoza line however yeah there is a uh a time limit on it and if you haven't played uh in over a half a season then you know you can drop below the mendoza line despite uh despite how good you are so you gotta you can keenan lewis no you can't be you know if you're good that's great then you can talk trash but if you're good and you're injured all the time no you don't get you don't get to talk trash so mike thomas is currently he hasn't played in a while so i don't know i think he's got a i think he's lost some clout some trash talk who would be a player that could do shenanigans that you wouldn't quite be sure that they would chase them off the cat's awake who the cat's awake oh the cat yeah the cat just briny i would say i would ramp check ramp check he's not going anywhere no but i mean like they they can't go no but but he's talking about like the the line like right where the shenanigans might get you cut but might not like what's the line where you you're just good enough to where they're like i was gonna say damario davis like if demario was pulling the same stunt he'd be dunzo no no no i think he's too good i think he's too i think that i think they'd tolerate it for a while i understand well apparently paul's in a depot yeah that's a good like let's say let's say he doesn't play and all he is is a special teams gunner this year and he stinks again next year in training camp and he's not vaccinated and he gets the rhona he'll be gone i think the debo is like right on the line of like could be cut for shenanigans it's a great it's a great question though what next okay last question comes from saints rabbit who's the best kicker on the podcast taker of what ass me football footballs oh we can't be me yeah ralph is at the bottom of the list well you have two two good legs ralph now i do not have two good legs yeah oh yeah i have it no i was gonna say clearly he's never seen you walk yeah i just i just thought that was like like carry over from your arm or something i don't know i two good legs get out of here with that i forgot you had all those pins put in yeah i remember you talking yeah uh okay so not ralph um yeah probably and you played soccer did you play soccer nah i mean a little bit but i was bad i was bad i also have like wrestling make him a good kicker yeah i don't know do you like probably not yeah thomas is from europe dude i'm european it's it's yeah it's a no-brainer guys it's an outrageous i think the answer is thomas i think so yeah exactly thomas by the way four gold medals good job poland i think the better question would be if if if you needed one of us to to to score in a penalty shootout to save your life who would you pick well i think he's talking about football no because he's i mean america like field goals there's no kicker position because will lutz is injured right that's right well no okay who would who would you trust to make a field goal who would you trust if your life depended on it who would you trust to make her feel good okay well we're still going to where we were not you you know thomas well i can't how do i i can't say tom i've never seen thomas walk let alone run let alone i i do have some experience holding on extra points and field goals so i can i i'll be i'll be the holder yeah you'll be the most most i can also i can also long snap i can snap pretty well so you can snap and hold on at the same time i'll snap i'll snap i'll high point it just high enough to where then i can run to the spot and then place hold and then yeah maybe maybe i could i can make it from 15 yards you know yeah i i could see kevin figuring out how to snap lace is out i don't have that sound queued up lace is out uh so that about wraps it up tonight thanks for everybody for joining us in the uh on the twitch i like the twitch is so much it feels so professional like thomas gives us better quality than we deserve thomas you know what we need to do for the cold open we need like a chime or a bomb sound effect go off so i know that you have the timer you have the timer ralph i didn't see the timer i got back how could you not see the timer you were like hey the music went out let's go he wasn't looking with his good eye thomas that's right i only have one good eye the other one's crooked only has one one good of everything one good eye one good arm one good one leg one good nostril that's what he snorts everything right one of his penises is good that's right so that's funny so hit the music thomas and thanks to everybody for joining us uh become a patron you should we're the best uh get your mug we're awesome uh we're the best podcast going uh thanks to everybody for joining us for dave or andrew for kevin who was in the chat to make sure that his pick got made uh thomas executive producing in poland like a superstar that he always is uh thanks thomas thanks patrons yeah thanks everybody remember kids don't shoot your dick off until next time the bar is closed and join us friday go get me a sack josiah bronson [Music] [Music] so [Music] you

Channel: Saints Happy Hour

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Length: 81min 58sec (4918 seconds)

Published: Tue Aug 10 2021