Sardonicast #47: Doctor Sleep, Naked Lunch

[Music] all right three two one hey it's the rebel taxi pizza party podcast I'm pan pizza who are you people except I'm not Madame from her movies sex and there's a sardonic cast I lied I'm sorry I'm Ralph from youtube.com slash off the movie maker and I'm Alex from Aichi and I'm feeling pretty soulful today tell you what yeah I'm just I bet you got great soulful is the is the right word for how I'm feeling we're all very energetic and happy so about that new Pixar movie coming out oh yeah I forgot that is the thing you just reminded me it's called soul yeah like Korea the capital oh yeah I guess you could have a few different meanings they're making their first-ever Korean film yeah oh that would have been a twist yeah the first story trailer was like that good part and then the second third becomes inside a two but then the third part they go to they go another layer another layer of soul and it's actually just Koreans inside everyone's so exactly and then the play on words would work really well exactly what'd you think about the trailer we went down that tirade because I don't have anything to say about it oh yeah it's so sad cuz like really the first half of the trailer I was so on board I was like yeah this seems like a bit of a new direction this actually seems like it's a personality you know and then nope it's it looks like it's just another inside-out thing going on it's like oh this just looks like another exert thing yes I do they want to so much that bad so they have to create like a little plushie so the main character just becomes like a plushie at least its original though I have been upset they've been making nothing but technically I felt upset these paths feet past four years they've been making nothing but Incredibles two monsters inc prequel freedom okay at least Coco was very good that's probably the best thing they've made in a long time yeah but hmm probably in a while it's this looks like inside out outside in probably as the same structure yeah way to do it probably the same structures like the rest of these movies something huh yeah a buddy road trip kind of thing buddy adventure oh yeah because they have that other one coming out what was that one called it's like onward it doesn't even work yeah um would yeah yeah it doesn't even look like it picks up you know it looks like a Disney movie more so I don't hear much about that everybody is saying that that one looks like [ __ ] I kind of I don't know I might be excited for that one I'll give it a chance it looks like it could be fun it looks like a different like change of pace for like a Pixar movie you know mm-hmm again it's like an adventure buddy thing but they like fantasy angle yeah that Netflix movie bright it's like yes because they're unlike a they have like a block of houses and they were very like modern and they wear jeans and stuff but they're like elves yeah I don't know I prefer kind of like fantasy universes you know it gets so bored when it's just like Oh human beings am i right that's what was selling me on this so trailer though at first I like I mean yeah the way the film looked up until the point where it just becomes inside-out it's like well this this could be really cool if it's one of those kind of almost like Woody Allen light the city is a character type thing yeah that's definitely the impression I was getting at first it is just a trailer - it could it could mostly be that yeah we could be over-interpreting yeah we'll see we'll see it was a strange choice to do it that way there I guess they got to just release more trailers but I mean it still might be good I mean we have a bit of a rep on like especially on a reddit like it's just Pixar hate and cool that's like the two topics yeah and I didn't like hate Pixar they just had some kind of weak output the past ten years compared to the previous ten and that's more disappointing because especially me I've had such a connection in them I grew up with those movies they think they're all great and now it's like either just it's they're really just trying to capitalize off them almost a stolid rebate with some of them and it's like kind of soulless that soulless Adam mmm-hmm I don't know I think it's just a lot of creative people just are not either than doing the same things or working at pick third you also think that it's partially because we we recognize the Pixar formula now you know these new kids growing up on these movies might love them the same way we would the you know the older ones mm-hmm kind of yeah but I mean like it's not just Pixar certainly has a formula but you could you could say that that's true for like any kids movie at the same time like a lot of these things are really formulated but still I feel as though a lot of their original works had much more of a personality you know we're better written like less conveniences Toy Story 2 it it was like a new story it wasn't just like a recycling of the first film still ours bugs life I don't think those are great like those are the earlier ones but they had a lot of good hits in there too yeah and they're duds weren't as bad like cars three cars two good dinosaur I still haven't seen that I think cause 2 is the worst thing they've done good dinosaur is so sad it was sad to that film especially with how much I love dinosaurs I was hyped for that one I say real Pixar making a movie about dinosaurs this is this is gonna be great and they would say this is the most boring film it was dull was it a fun adventure movie it was like it was like tragedy thing right didn't they like main characters like parent die and then they had to go on a journey Oh sort of but with dinosaurs okay no charm because when they first nailed like the photorealism so they had the strange art direction where they had like this incredibly realistic looking environment well there was another trail in it really the dinosaurs looked very toyish yeah we're gonna first see the silhouette probably for a reason yeah like oh man they're actually gonna do something cool and then no it's like yeah it's a kids movie oops sorry we never we never spoke about Toy Story 4 did we speaking on a Pixar I thought reluctantly I'm probably I will see a Pinterest yeah I didn't like it just it was just so unnecessary to me yeah you're saying about repetitive Pixar movies like the fourth one and it's like it's just the same thing again like the themes are so basic and simple in toy stories like that they're stretching it then the stretch in that thread on Woody's back breathing yeah it's it was really difficult to care about anything going on and like bringing back Bo Peep spoilers I guess the movies been out a while whatever anybody who wants to see Toy Story 4 is already but like yeah that was it just felt completely unnecessary tons of conveniences like how the they just ran into each other at the same playground at that perfect nobody felt like come on it felt like those straight-to-dvd exact story things like the halloween episode but stretched out to full length yeah they have much higher production value and there there are things to appreciate about the movie for sure mostly animation wise there was a video breaking down like the different artificial lenses being used in the film and to some extent if it was showing a certain character there was a certain lens based on how they're supposed to be feeling at that moment that's great but it doesn't excuse the story just being really uninteresting it doesn't excuse the story just being like super convenient the entire time and when I gave it what did I rate it like a four on IMDB there were people in my supper and it just being like man you don't appreciate it enough here this video is evidence like I think it was the nerdwriter video about the lenses and it's like that that's my Seng you know those are extra things you have to have a good core to your film you have to have like an interesting conflict you have to have something that doesn't feel like fake and forced they always push the boundaries with that stuff with the technology Disney gives them a lot of money to do that stuff like it's founded by Pixar was founded by some of the people from Apple yeah Steve Jobs is a big role to play yeah they've always been groundbreaking like even the movies they've made recently that have been so good I think they're really impressive technically yeah man like brave I really don't like I think it's really good Hera was amazing especially at the time like what they did with Harun that yeah the tech demo movie very much the opening scene was just hey look how well we have nailed this water it this water animation yeah yeah it looks fantastic holy crap I was really have to understand it's like a it's like a process they've been making these movies for so long and now they're just you just get it's cool to see the technology progress and it got better but I don't think that makes the stories any better at this point because they've been doing it for so long it's not even impressive yeah we've leaps interesting plateau now because they are able to make it look so realistic where they're going to start getting more creative because in ten years when everyone's able to do this is gonna be the stories and the and the art direction they've gotta fall back on more than just yeah water is kind of like everything's just procedurally generated yeah yeah a computer can basically just do everything for you at a certain point and they're like G mode but you know you can pick so many views yeah not to not to D legitimate the talented animators working today but yeah that's the best part and that's why a lot of people watch them a lot of Disney fans just love seeing the animation mm-hmm I think we're in the minority in terms of Toy Story 4 I think more people than not enjoyed it sure yeah which is why people make there post on our subreddit because it's probably very liberating to have one place on the Internet where you can be a little critical of Pixar and people won't downvote you to oblivion right so of course we're gonna have people like that owners everybody sure yeah I'm Buzz Lightyear and that movie annoyed me a lot I really like Buzz as the characters like my favorite one and they like what they did with him into a sewer floor it was just come on I don't even remember was a good guy character he was just a gag character II of one running joke oh yeah was his whole like point in the film yeah I remember not liking what they did with him in Toy Story 3 either yeah it's that thing when you have a huge ensemble cast and you complete their arc in one or two movies so then you just have these characters like Han Solo in the third Star Wars movie whether you say well we've sort of completed everything to do this character he has no point so you just turn them into like a gag a running gag like comic relief type thing so I saw this movie like probably within the past two months I think and I'm now just getting like flashbacks of like oh yeah all these different things that happen like the Keanu Reeves Canadian motorbike guy where it was literally just like he had three scenes one was like set up for goals very quickly introduced and just like I want to be able to jump that thing next scene oh no I tried jumping the thing and I didn't make it and then at the end of the movie I made it I jumped the thing and it's like oh it's so forced it's so forced you can see this like a toy man he was a toy but he had a toy bike and he was trying to jump a thing oh he was this whole backstory yes literally it was just like show it and then it's done and nothing else about this character is there it wasn't it wasn't like efficient writing it was literally just underdeveloped in like you know stupid again that seemed like the Pixar formula in action to me those trying to make basically a plot device like synthetic yeah and they they're so good at using music at this point like so our film trailers and I don't I don't think people realize just how manipulative music can be oh yeah it's so cookie cutter back I'm gonna say that line again my voice is dying it's so cookie cutter oh my god I was having so much fun yesterday it's so cookie cutter and formulated and it's it's just it's it's like if it's it's like a factory machine it's like everything everything is on this checklist in order to get an emotional response out of people and it doesn't feel genuine you know I want to watch movies where it's like it it feels like someone wants to communicate something Disney's like ream me or they've made sequels to their animated movies for a long time and that's they put them like straight to DVD or whatever but that's kind of what Toy Story 4 or felt like on a story level like we just need to give these characters something to do again I imagine the villain thing is very similar to how they've done it in the past where they make it sympathetic it's just like I've seen it done before and they ended it so perfectly - however long ago it was 2010 I did a lot I think it was a I think it was a good cap to the series it would have been the place to end it and I'll agree with you there yes definitely it felt like a I wonder if people are gonna act surprised when the Toy Story 5 gets announced I wonder if people will pull the same like the movie is in a very open-ended way to sort of set up where compatibly go in the future without spoilers so it's like Oh a new sort of life cinematic universe then we'll get the Toy Story universe now for he's got his own show on yeah right the end though in sports and that people will know what I'm talking about well right Disney's got a make as much money as they can off Toy Story they have that Park we'd like these own section of their Park and Disney World that's like Toy Story got to sell tickets for that I mean it's a marketing was just the merchandise thing alone for that franchise they're literally toys the same reason to keep making cars movies system merchandise is so ridiculously popular there's cars and kids love little cars cars who doesn't want that that's a creepy I'm getting all these weird flashbacks to the movie like I completely forgot about it until just now I remember being upset when like the whole motivation of that girl the whole character the vintage one she's like my voice box is broken she pulls out this like little plastic record thing like her it's so old like I don't understand what's really in there just this like old vintage thing she's like oh yeah if I take your voice box it'll work with my voice like okay well oh yeah how does any of that work you're a toy from like the 90s these parts aren't gonna be compatible it was frustrating so rush and then it worked I was shocked I thought it was I thought it wasn't gonna work her voice is fine after that point it's like how they write the straight-to-dvd Disney sequels Aladdin 2 & 3 like those kind of [ __ ] things thinking - thinking - yeah right normal movies now that's how bad it's gotten yeah it's all about marketing it's all about advertising if you get enough hype it doesn't really matter - yeah recognize wipey throwing Keanu Reeves doesn't even matter what he does exactly he's popular right now right people need such a big story about that I'm like yeah he's an actor they had key and Peele he's doing his job yes he got paid to be in a movie Wow crazy did you know that actors are in movies away one if I had enough money I could get Keanu Reeves to be in my movie yeah you could rap you could realistically get Bruce Willis in a movie probably probably let me see what I have in my pocket I could yeah I don't think we need to talk about it as much more honestly no yeah yeah Pixar a few times on this podcast but we'll see what happens leave them alone yeah they can't take it I'll watch I'll probably watch onward in theaters I probably won't watch in theaters we'll see what another trailer shows but just it seems like it's just gonna devolve into something really annoying I don't see any of them in theaters anymore cuz I don't like the audience oh yeah yes I don't like children I've seen a Pixar movie you know they're very loud just reluctant and I don't mind because it's a children's movie I can't tell them to be quiet they're enjoying themselves yeah I'm just like I am gonna watch it from my house and enjoy em because if a kid's movie is popular enough they actually screen them at like the adults only theaters to like the ones we can buy alcohol well I guess I could do like a late showing like they still have those I don't think kids would go as many kids would go yeah I don't know o'clock yeah they're ones in there ones where they serve booze and they can't get in even if it's late so yeah we saw a film we all saw a film in theaters you're thinking about what was in theaters we could talk about on the podcast and I don't know it wasn't a great idea we watched doctors sleep boy least four doctors sleep I guess if you care about it I don't think you should it's not it's not great there's some people that like it did do well at the box office I don't even know I don't even [ __ ] know yeah what did you think of the movie it's based on something else oh yeah that's one thing and give props to at least it's not called shining The Shining 2 or like they they hammered in a shining story or something doctor sleep a signing story Forbes why dr. sleep is a terrifying box-office disappointment except I'm not going to read that article because it wants me to turn off my adblock the budget could have been too high because it's a fairly reserved movie and quite held back the last section is probably the most expensive sort of yeah element at the movie I'd say but but I'm sort of with you out in my eye to call it bad to me I think it's got a lot of decent individual elements it just doesn't come together for me I think it's way too long I think it's kind of being torn between two worlds a little bit so cuz I put a review on on letterbox saying that like I was kind of bored and it was more Stephen King than Kubrick which is fine like I have no problem with it being a more direct adaptation of the doctor sweet novel burns it is so deeply tied with the Kubrick movie because that was a good drawing so much from that film where it was really distracted every time I start like starting to get into the sort of thriller aspect cuz the film isn't really scary and in the same way The Shining was it just kept pulling me back and forward like him is this supposed to be like as intense and have like a really strong atmosphere like the original shining cuz really didn't move the needle at all for me in terms that kind of stuff like it had some creepy kind of ideas but it's that typical thing where when you have supernatural elements that are explained to the point that it that it does in this movie they stop being mysterious or scary in a way to me it's a real shining it goes to the goofy sort of level where they were like yeah you're steam that was really funny can't wait to get my steam yeah I wasn't I wasn't that much into the steam element yeah it seemed like such a direct adaptation of what I'd imagined the doctor sleep book is like I have no idea I can't exactly say but that's what everyone is saying like in my comments and when I'm reading about the film people are saying yeah is more King than Kubrick in that sense I mean we've we've had just such an onslaught of Stephen King adaptations I'm kind of getting sick of the sort of familiar elements of those kind of movies yeah especially when they're like this kind of theme like how many have we had this year alone there's it chapter 2 is Pet Sematary now this one I think is every horror movie that comes out is a Stephen King like novel yeah yeah and also kind of like tied into a previously successful adaptation from like the 80s all three that you listed one of his one of his like not horror a few years ago when a dress elbow was in it he came out in August was like The Dark Tower now I am that was I think that was Stephen King yeah it was a while ago but like they tried adapting those kinds of books and people don't connect with that as Hara they let they like horror yeah they like it they like The Shining I don't think anything about this movie works on its own the only stuff I was interested in was the connections to the shining like the whole opening I thought was pretty interesting with Danny and the Shelley Duvall impersonator I didn't enjoy the any of the like new stuff on itself at all yeah do either of you watch the hunting of Hill House no same murder no I didn't a lot of people really well city direct hush he did Gerald's game which you feel about Adam Wingard Adam that's how I kind of feel about this guy okay Adam Wingard the guy did the guest right yeah and those yeah yeah that's how I feel about this guy I don't like his movies yeah I don't like I don't like John's game I don't like hush I think they're both not scary and I like this I just didn't connect with anything in it the cinematography was pretty good but that's just cuz they were trying to mimic the Kubrick movie if they weren't trying to do that gimmick it probably would have just been shot like a normal horror movie that you see like in theaters haunting of Hill House looked similar I would say like photography wise there's actually one episode and I was like fantastic cinematography have a lot of issues with that show and a lot of issues with this movie Oh kind of in opposite ways the hunting of Hill House was something where it was ten hours long and it was a story that should have been told in two hours and honestly like if you made a fan edit of that show you'd have something great but on its own I found it to be a very frustrating experience just blew bowling the entire time whereas this movie I found probably would've worked better as a miniseries I feel like if you're gonna have this I could say universe with you know like Oh everybody's shining and blah blah blah and they each have differ powers and you know there's a lot that you could fit in there and from a professional quality staff over at the place it is it also kind of felt like a modern television miniseries mm-hmm long enough to be one yeah totally it would have worked better if it was longer like it has all these horror and thriller elements so kind of would have they would have had more time to flesh it out yeah they had more time yeah it's so it's like this like shootouts like in the movie I was like what the [ __ ] I thought I was watching a horror movie these characters that we don't know anything about and they're literally just there to add to the amount of people that are trying to kill this little girl and it's like oh no there's a big conflict cuz there's so many of them and they're so powerful and then they all die in the same scene and we didn't learn anything about them really it was only the one girl that kind of got developed barely you know if it was a miniseries you could explore these things further you could have different concepts you know different ideas at play with like how they would be living in this world and you know what they'd be doing I feel like you could turn this into something that would be like six hours long and it would probably be better for me the I liked the idea of exploring the kid character from The Shining with an actor as good as your McGregor and all the issues he's had like he starts the movie and it's a oh that he's a really flawed character and he's clearly got a lot to kind of get over in his arc and they start and it's going a certain direction and then the middle of the movie happens and it doesn't really like get much development and he's isn't really that important particularly he kind of shifts over to the the young girl more as a almost more of a protagonist for a while and then he does get a wrap up towards the end when he goes back to the house which I'm sure we'll talk about in a second but they just wasn't much to it despite how long the film was I didn't feel like I really got inside the character's head beyond the most surface level same no sort of storytelling at the beginning which and that that to me could have been the interesting element cuz and they just didn't explore him enough to me like I don't care about what these kids and stuff if you're going to use your your connection to the original movie to get me invested like I will be inherently more invested in that kid because you remember him from the original and it isn't just banking on you reckon he's not going around on like a motive like a three-wheel it's not that level but they do disrupt the ball and that kind of stuff and that could be because of the novel I really don't know but they chose is so such a like plot heavy movie and they spend so much time developing these villains and I don't know how you guys felt about the villains but the amount of development they got I know a lot of people are enjoying that aspect of it but to me made them much less frightening to me I didn't like learning that much about them to me that was like yeah not interesting or important to the story observe like like it's obvious to me that like that as soon as you find out they're basically steam vampires then it's a-okay and they need the steam stay alive or whatever okay like that that's all I need I understand like let's go back to the main character let's learn more about him and his let's struggle with these weird powers and everything that he has because that's what's so good about the original shining like it doesn't sit around explaining all of these concepts like like it's more of a superhero movie than atmospheric thriller okay it just didn't really work for me and it just I was just as it went on it just kept losing me more and more because there's just nothing really that engaging to me that was happening I wasn't frightened the characters were they were just stuck in one place for a long time nothing was really developing an interesting I what I didn't really enjoy the performance of Rebecca Ferguson yeah she really didn't really so it's all over the top yeah really over the top the one in the Hot Topic disappointed she was doing this weird accent that was going in and out though sometimes she was a bit Irish it was intimidation oh yeah the moment the movie lost me in terms of anything like frightening was do you remember the CG baby like cry or scream or something yeah I can't remember the exact is sort of early on in the movie mm-hm I can't remember his dream sequence or something but there is like a weird CG baby just like in his bed or something that looked bad and didn't hit the way I think it was intending mm-hm and I'm really not scared the only things that hit when they just inserted things from the shining into the movie oh it's the elevator with the blood that's working at all honestly no those parts were mining man this film did yeah well like the opening they were doing the same thing again with the word Danny's like driving his bike and there's the carpet and there's like the mute sound and then it hits the wood and makes look like they just copy all these same things that are supposed to [ __ ] with you from the shining and it doesn't work this time yeah it's like they've already been parodied and done to death like we all know these tricks yeah it's not it's it's just really not scary I don't know what I was supposed to get out of this act to the movie only really works if you've seen the original shining or have read this book I assume or the original books because all the characters that show up they're not really explained or set up in the movie they can write up in that last shot where yeah where they kind of crowd around the villain character to finally defeat her like it's all just like references to the original and and yes that makes sense because they're in the original movie and everything but it's like it's it's strange considering the fact that it is trying to it's my biggest issue is trying to distance itself from the original and try something yeah but it doesn't make my mind an icon it's so hard yeah because at that shootout I was like okay so it is doing something completely different and then right after the shoot up they just go back to the shining house and it was like yeah this makes sense for this character in terms of like completing his story his arc and like overcoming his faults in a way and coming to terms with himself and that's another underused that aspect of like the steam vampires they're like addicted to steam and you and McGregor's dealt with like his various addictions and whatnot like that should have been the the heart of the movie to me exploring that a bit more and that sort of parallel between the the villains in him or something like something like that something more than then what happened in the film because I I don't know I don't I sound like such so hyper negative because people are enjoying this movie like this is one of those ones where people are enjoying it way more than like the Metascore or the the things dictate track on that level so I want to like be clear how about because there were things I did like apparently I missed like the best sequence in the movie because I needed to pee where there's where Rebecca Ferguson is lying on like the top of the bus Oh like dream something's over - yeah when I saw the very end of it so okay when she got her hand [ __ ] up she like flies through space yeah I mean it has its moments it's a cut above like countdown or like some god-awful horror movie that's released in theaters there is some artistry to it yes really bland I think the bar is pretty low for horror movies yeah honestly I know it's like recently it's just I've seen so many good horse I'm like a 24 now you're talking about that a 24 but just it follows to babadook right that's I mean yeah I don't think it was I thought it was it wasn't really I don't think it might not be I don't know I guess someone in the reddit will let us know I know a two-for did a his next movie which they didn't release yeah whatever but like I it's just we should not be expecting something this bad at this point yeah we've had great horror movies this year even if you want to count the lighthouse which is like a crazy psychological avant-garde or when I said that when I was saying that though that about in not being a horror movie like people got all angry at me they're like saying okay then treat it for what it is it's a thriller treat it like a threat but so what you're clearly trying to scare me there are multiple points where it's framed in a way there's a lot of strategy and it's based on it's a sequel to The Shining movie at least in part and that film is terrifying yeah and so it has it's creepy at the very least it has a really memorable feeling about it is uneasy makes it so wrong like intentionally in the best way possible for horror and if they tried to channel it here I don't think they've really achieved it it's it's frustrating because it's a film that is simultaneously trying to capitalize off of the original Kubrick film while ignoring everything that made it work so well like there's way too much in it that's just like editing choices are way too like modernize kind of like jump scary and like really cheesy manipulative music and like the effects don't look great I mean like it they would be more passable for a miniseries which is another reason why I think it would have worked better in that sense like people are more forgiving to those sorts of things when it's not like a movie in theatres you know whenever they were stealing the steam off of people that never looked real it was always like oh computer effects you know like it was it was just really annoying I think just conceptually there's something so goofy about that as well oh yeah it looked so silly it is a super villain light backstory it was more of a superhero movie than like a horror movie to me it was like an x-men movie yeah I kind of seemed like that at points for sure it was very frustrating I don't like how the characters were really really really stupid in ways that only existed to advance the plot like there's no reason why that little girl should have been at her home while they were doing the second the second dear boy that's exactly what I thought I was like the whole second she wouldn't even happen why are you there when the movie is already explicitly stated that they know where you live they found you there before and now you're just hanging out at your home probably with the door unlocked based on how is how it was shown your dad died now you're kidnapped there were four of you that came up with this plan you could have just rented a hotel what's your deal a police station she could have gone we stay anywhere literally anywhere else crazy people are trying to chase me and kill me anyway little quirks where like they sort of dark night rise it where the other alcoholic character who's like recovered when he first meets here McGregor he's like yeah and I know I know you just yapping at you I know everything about you come on come stay here I'll give you this site you can vouch for you you can you can rent this place where I also live so what I thought that was gonna be that I thought it's gonna be revealed that he was he had the shine as well or something and that would have like sort of explain that a bit like if he could they sent sales something like that that's what I was expecting it was I oh no I guess he could just read that he's an alcoholic and he relates to that so I think maybe he had a little bit like they were saying earlier cuz they're like yo everybody has a tiny bit of the shining sun or something you know you you just have a really lucky day and most people just think they're lucky but in reality yeah it's like a tiny bit of the shining some people have more shining than others even McGregor drinks so much apparently that is shining is not as good as used to be yes it was like numb when you do them the kids yeah when she's like been kidnapped so she can't like communicate so yeah I found it to be barely below the bar for what I would enjoy pretty much the whole movie and then at the end it was just a gigantic [ __ ] the last half-hour was literally just remember the shining were they what he was walking past the door that like Jack Nicholson did the here's Johnny thing at and they showed the clip just like oh yeah remember yeah they just took it way cheaper and it was a jump-scare - it was like a jump-scare flashback yeah the whole following him up the stairs like what the hell yeah that setting does all the work for you it's a creepy ass place so I was really expecting if they were gonna go back there to show us something new there you know not just remind us of everything that happened cuz that's that's what was really anticipating was like okay this director he I really liked like Gerald's game wherever it was called I thought though because I'm quite easy to scare so it's amazing this film didn't scare me in any way and I thought that film had some like really creepy elements of like the like bottle movie type like that kind of thing going on and I thought maybe I'd see some waves of that in the movie but by the time I got there it fully lost me because it was just hey it's the blood elevator to Hayes the hits though why does why is the film so obsessed with the the old lady in the in the bath because it's an iconic scene and they have to spam it in the same music the same [ __ ] credit music even yeah yeah night stars on you it's just like nothing it does it does on its own yeah completely reliant also a better film yeah no it's not alright it's a thriller so in my opinion super cheesy super super cheesy the entire time very difficult things seriously yeah you say that the the villain characters had too much screen time I still don't feel like they were really properly developed most of them it was late they just got a lot of screen time molesting lead villain and all these other characters like I don't know anything about you really the one girl who says she's fifteen but looks like she's thirty like we got a little bit of that but that's about it but their motivation is such a like tired really we're doing this again like the the villain who wants to live forever like eternal type thing that's why I say if it reeled back and made it's more so you sort of had to read into why they were doing this stuff and they we weren't constantly was seeing them and they were like kidnapping kids and you didn't really see it as often that to me would be way more frightening because the mind is what makes these horror films scare yeah it comes at night it it's what I'm looking for from horror that even the original sign is shining to it to an extent like it doesn't make you scream every five seconds it just you're unsettled you don't know like what's around the corner in your pen and when you are showing something it's just off enough like the the creepiest thing in that movie to me is that weird like that they're in masks and like giving him a suck job in my dreams just to say oh yeah sorry partying my [ __ ] brain is a kid yeah cuz it's disturbing yeah and there isn't anything disturbing about sucking steam out of people and flying around the dreams and [ __ ] like it's corny now that I think of it I feel like these villains especially the main villain probably would have fit perfectly in the 2019 Hellboy remake I feel like I feel like they fit better there than in the shining you know it's like almost contradictory when you're when you're trying to capitalize off of the Kubrick movie I don't know if I there you saw the shitty miniseries in the 90s The Shining know this film is better than that's the one more accurate it's God it seems so bad very business still a cut above really bad horror movies yeah so I could see why some people like it there's some value to it here and there yeah absolutely and all the parts where they were just copying the shining those were pretty good they did a good job I didn't like that yeah they just they did it accurate job replicating the movie they got the carpet pretty accurate they got the doors like it looked good some it's just bad service of nothing yeah it's at service so we need to sell this movie because the actual movie it doesn't work just keep cutting to the shining it's like the equivalent of reference humor in those Friedberg Seltzer movies or whatever exactly it's just like remember this it's just a reference like you're not doing anything with it Chloe walking up the stairs see my treehouse of horror and like yeah we've seen all these things before it's not scary anymore it's like poetry it rhymes okay georgie-boy alright but which well give it a test I think I'm done talking two out of five yeah I gave her the same to her face no I gave it a 3 oh wait but you there yours is a 4 nevermind I'm so tired you gave it 3 out yeah 3 out of 10 it was a 4 for most of the movie but then the last half-hour brought it down a point yeah I was like that too like I was between a 2 and a 3 but the last third I was like exactly like there's no way I can recommend this yeah yeah it got so bad wondering if caught the issue was the most the director's name again Mike Flanagan yes he edited the movie didn't he as well it might have improved the movie as someone else edited it and was more brutal with some of the unnecessary like expansions in the in the film could have just been cut out and like why was that that carrot that side character who was also like an ex-alcoholic or whatever why was he in it so much like what was the purpose aside from the flat thing because he just gets killed and there's no really emotional gut punch to that it's not effective particularly it's just yeah maguro I guess he's dead now that's convenient now you go to the shining house and not have someone helping me yeah there was a lot of it just seemed unnecessary just pick pick pick one either do your own thing or do the shining either make a miniseries and explore everything thoroughly or cut it down to make it a acceptable movie length with good pacing it was just in between on all these different aspects and didn't work great mm-hmm yeah we're pretty much on the same page yeah I guess we do worry movie recommendation thing Alex right yeah so I recommended Naked Lunch 1991's Naked Lunch directed by David Cronenberg and I feel like a lot of the movies I wind up having to explain the plot of also happen to be like them is crazy things will do my best so you recommended in time so yeah yeah true so the main characters peter weller who Robocop gets addicted to well he's a bug an exterminator and he gets addicted to the substance exterminates bugs with which sort of makes him hallucinate aliens and as typewriter starts talking to him and it's like an insect with a like an ass that talks and he sort of goes country to country he kills his wife by accident and he's it's kind of dictating this that this characters descent into madness from was a clear allegory for um crazy drug use cuz that's most of the plot to be honest like it you just have to watch it it's one of those like it's not like super plot heavy it's very very strange because this is based on a very famous novel very very famously controversial novel after after I watched the film I was psycho okay I really enjoyed that but I gotta be honest didn't fully understand or we get what was happening there and then you start reading about the movie if you're interested in that sort of thing and I watched that documentary I've got a note down what it was called Burroughs movie yeah Burroughs the movie that was the writer of the original novel and you you kind of figure out that the film is semi autobiographical they're losing it today we're off to describe this movie as well but yet autobiographical sort of story about what the writer of the novel was kind of going through and doing at the time he he was travelling around the world he he really did kill his wife that was inside like that for me to find out happened yes so much context to the movie I had so much sort of depth to the to me anyway which which led to me kind of falling in love with it after reading everything about it so what what did we think about it I had no idea what to make of it not really so you go ahead at him yeah well I liked a lot by the end of it I did enjoy it but like like you're a reaction the first time Alex I was like what the [ __ ] was that it's entertaining yeah it's definitely entertaining and upon further research and yeah I even watching it the first time I picked up on that like meta level with the author I'm like is this about the author as much as it is about this character and and what he's going through and yeah that totally worked for me very entertaining but yeah Adam you go on I I loved it throughout to be honest I I don't think that there was any point that I wasn't really on board with it but I'd I was aware that this was pretty much just an autobiographical take on you know addiction drug use etc from this writer who I already knew was like a heroin addict and so this this and much more - oh yeah and this the book coming out in the 50 is obviously very controversial it apparently got banned in several states and countries for violating sodomy was or something like yeah it was how to trial yeah huge in San Ysidro I'd I wasn't aware that the accidentally killing his wife things was real so that was a gigantic surprise after watching the film I feel like The Criterion special features actually provided more information about this writer than the Burroughs the movie documentary did that seemed like something and of like more for the fans of his work yeah I didn't get that much out because I already read his whole like wiki and the movies wiki in the books wiki so watching the film or the documentary I didn't get that much more out of it as you say yeah with you there's a lot that I love about this movie it's it's it kind of has vibes similar to what's that movie Scanner Darkly I felt yet in terms of how I presented you I really I really love movies that deal with these kinds of losing your mind insanity addiction kind of themes and I love how many different things you can do with it it's never gonna have any kind of like typical structure and I think that would probably be off-putting to a lot of people if they're expecting like oh I'm watching a movie it's like you are but it's more experimental I guess in that sense like you're not supposed to have the same sort of beats or like satisfying payoffs or conclusions that a typical story would have yeah cuz Burroughs when he wrote the novel he wrote in such a way where you he intended so the you can read it yep you can read the chapters in any order which is a bizarre concept and a crazy out there idea and of course I adapting that kind of novel into a movie is an insane task it was thought to be impossible yeah man he said yeah it'll be done yeah it was like Watchmen it's like ah yes but in under two hours I think David Cronenberg did it yeah I want to see yeah I think it might be my favorite Cronenberg to be honest hmm I know how you guys feel about the actual typewriter and yeah and genuinely disgusting too in Cronenberg fashion like that [ __ ] disgusting to look at and funny to there's like this sick sense of humor too is also disgusting yeah and he's like rubbing this [ __ ] powder on it it's like yeah I kept saying it must be done real tasty it's really strange though I looked like that yeah very charming I love these kinds of like the main characters losing his mind drug-related movies I feel like a lot of the kind of like setups and payoffs like these little tiny callbacks to really subtle things are parts of those movies that I really enjoy like you know he notices that his wife says the same thing as the cockroach or they have certain references to I guess places that are referenced a few times in the film like there's these tiny little I guess seeds that are being planted where something seems familiar and you're not exactly sure why sometimes or almost conspiratorial elements where yes these things connecting and you don't know why but it kind of implies this sense of significance to it mm-hmm makes it a bit more like the holy dishes sort of alluring yeah yeah because he's just he's just totally losing his mind okay there's no idea what's going on and he's convincing himself through these these like conspiratorial superstitious events like the that see Emery finds the pubic hair and nails buried in a plant part that's like loads of weird specific little details like that yeah like they're dreamlike details where something that would happen in a dream or and like a weird trip or a drug experience where you're just like this is so this is so specific this is so like coming from a place like that then it really does drive that this insanity that the main characters going through I loved his like deadpan delivery for the most foremost their movie yeah every line just alerted to me perfect for the tone especially because of the setting because the set in the 50s that they have a certain cadence the way they speak and he was like you reminded me a lot of it was a sardonic house recommended movie actually the Coen Brothers one breezy and it was hairdresser yeah man who wasn't there Billy Bob ya Billy Bob Thornton in that movie it was a similar sort of character I could say were quite quiet a bit sort of witty in their responses very very dry yeah I really enjoyed his performance and-and-and he did have moments of like vulnerability and yes some expressive sort of horrible things to act to out of it arranged to his character I really loved the vocabulary in this movie exactly I feel like it's it's one of those films where even if I didn't know it was based off of a book I would probably I would probably infer that just by the the vocabulary of the film it is a movie that's you know not just about drugs but it's also about writing you know it's very I guess kind of like introspective when it's I guess in terms of it being autobiographical and I'm not you know I would have to watch it a few more times to get everything that it's trying to say I guess but it did really connect with me in a lot of ways that I really enjoy I feel like I definitely got a lot out of a first watch for this movie yeah with you is it's the kind of thing where you can see how a film adaptation could just fall flat on its face like I think of something like Cloud Atlas gender that movie yep like where the novel is just known as this sigh just expansive like no one can adapt this and the movie like really didn't live up to it but here they're creative enough the pacing is quick enough the scenes are interesting enough the setups are good enough the puppets are amazing and they do that really interesting creative things like there's that scene where ian holm is walking around building character and yeah bill bird's walking around and i was noticing his his audio isn't matching up with his mouth right now mm-hmm and then like it became part of the story you know that was actually happening from the main character's perspective i was like that's so clever I really love details like that because it's like a it's a payoff for people who are paying attention because I was really watching it was like with like I might have to note this down that the ADR wasn't very good here whatever but it was actually like part of it and the film's basically [ __ ] with you which is great yeah really puts the mind of the main character or everything's [ __ ] to him don't worry least he feels that way yeah I love the color palette of the movie lots of like weird yellow kind of color and then dark green orange and then yeah when he leaves the country at the end the color palette completely changes and like that's all you need to know that's all the information you need to understand that and he's in a different place which is really cool mm-hm and I was actually impressed by some of the scope of the production at certain points considering estimated budget of only about 16 million so fairly small and the film was a dud financially movement see it surprise surprise but how do you break it in his quality but yeah like that there's the specific moment where they had all the Mugwump alien characters will kind of hung upside down being milked again it's like a white shot where you see so many of them are so well they they really put the attention to detail in there with that yeah and that was a disturbing stabbing moment I just I love those creatures I thought the scenes where the main characters communicating with them with you didn't even doubt for a second that he was talking to another character like with a just their detail in those animatronics with like the hand and the way the hands move and all the different motion in the huge puppet that was very impressive to me just just even on that level alone mm-hmm just just to like explain how out there the author of the book was like this guy he like believed in magic and stuff section on his wiki about his magical beliefs oh I read you a little bit of this it was like this this is something else so Burroughs had a long-standing preoccupation with magic and the occult dating from his earliest childhood and was insistent throughout his life that we live in a magical universe as he himself explained this in the magical universe there are no coincidences and they're no accidents nothing happens unless someone wills it to happen the dogma of science is that the will cannot possibly affect external forces and I think that's just ridiculous it's as bad as the church my viewpoint is the exact contrary of the scientific viewpoint I believe that if you run into somebody in the street it's for a reason among primitive people they say that if someone was bitten by a snake he was murdered I believe that a little bit more since the word magic tends to cause confuse thinking I would like to say exactly what I mean by magic and the magical interpretation of so-called reality the underlying assumption of magic is that the assertion of will as the primary moving force in the universe the deep conviction that nothing happens unless somebody or some being wills it to happen to me this has always seemed self-evident from the viewpoint of magic no death no illness no misfortune accident war or riot is accidental there no accidents in the world of magic so this guy he was a character the very least sounds like a drug addict to me [Laughter] [ __ ] hippie and in that documentary there are tons of clips of him just like monologuing and reading excerpts from his book in it he has conviction I'll give him that waking and the ideas he was coming up with were very lofty and strange like that but it will save it just it makes it it makes it makes so much more sense like that the film yeah when you find out all of this about the writer it really does add a lot I was imagining if this wasn't based on a book and this film was just standalone if it would work as well it's almost like Salo where the context is so important to it working yeah yeah I mean he is a he's quite an interesting character for sure and the movie is an interesting character as well I think it's great that Cronenberg captured just how much personality there is and it really feels like you know you watch the movie and then you watch the guys interviews and it's like okay I get it mmhmm yeah true to the the original kind of story it didn't try to spin it in any sort of you know manipulative way it was just very like it was day it was Cronenberg's voice but it was still seemed very true to the essence of what made the original story what it was yeah he's always been great with practical effects and animatronics like those things are really really well suited for this film they all work really really well I love the part in the movie when he crushes the bug with the shoe oh yeah this looks [ __ ] great please like this slimey it's just excellent effects it was cool too because this is not like it's just not that kind of movie it's like a drama noir like mostly just dialogue and characters interacting and it has like these crazy effects and moments like that that are so goofy it really helps with the pacing and kept me invested in really hopes yeah yeah keeps entertaining what's really sad is you you see a director like this that has so much experience with practical effects and then in some of their more recent films like maps to the stars somebody gets lit on fire next to a swimming pool and they use CG fire and it looked terrible like fight fire has been perfected in CG for a long time wait like the fire looked pretty convincing and The Hills Have Eyes remake in like 2004 map so the stars was like 2015 it'll look terrible the guys next to a pool just do it practically get a stunt double you can't tell who it is anyway it's like what you're this director from the EJ's that did everything practically is it really cheaper to make CG fire they just get somebody some random stunt double to be like okay I'll be lit on fire for like two seconds and then just jump why would we waste our time shooting a guy on fire George Lucas is that the story right that's what was so impressive to me about the variation of the puppetry as well because like even when they had multiple puppets for the like main type right to creature oh yeah they had like 13 of the heart we're yeah and there's the the part where the typewriter is kind of joined in on its head and he's typing on its head and that's like a separate puppet to the one earlier there's so many different little details and that weird thing that looks straight out of like a Giger painting that was like humping it reminded me of a face hugger yeah yeah for sure yeah this is the type of movie where I would almost be expecting it to get really repetitive but I found it pretty entertaining throughout like I never really knew where it was going and you know the variation of all these different practical effects like those were in the movie frequently enough and they didn't just do the same thing over and over with them that it really helped my experience yeah and the dialogue is is very good oh yes really memorable dialogues graiman's I kind of had that repetitive experience with it but I think it's cuz I saw it this is just my first time seeing it too I literally just watched it no reading anything or afterward I just want to experience what it's like not knowing anything and yet I literally had no idea what the [ __ ] to make of it which is understandable yeah but maybe upon further viewings like now that I know what it is it would help I think it is beneficial to know a little bit about the writer before watching it like what movie I heard how crazy it was it's like let's get a fresh perspective let's look up nothing then 15 minutes in [ __ ] bug typewriters just like alright I don't know what's gonna wrap it boy yes my whole Roach yeah there's a on one of the special features they were talking about how I think it was actually a Cronenberg making this analogy talking about how the talking [ __ ] like not just the practical effect but like the monologue about the talking [ __ ] is supposed to be reflective of like kind of like two halves of the same mind in terms of like what is socially permissible and acceptable to say versus what is grotesque and true like this you know almost like the right you devil on your shoulder kind of thing or like an internal struggle yeah yeah yeah there's a lot a lot to read in to about this movie I saw a great description of what this movie is so it described as a head movie sort of like a racer head no you know like a race ahead is just happens to have a head in the title yep it's it's it's all it's all seemingly you know within someone it's it's personifying someone's it's allegorical deem yeah yeah yeah that the setting and all of it is is like just to kind of ground you in the themes its exploring it's not really really happening in that way yeah that is a quote that is a cool way to look at it and I definitely got that from it too what did he think of the music loved it it's great yeah really sex heavy really chaotic yeah I love the opening credits to like the just the design of them yeah it's like really creative Howard Shore oh yeah yeah and then they just got some sex so Louis to play over a bunch of it worked really well really added to that just chaotic tone of it yeah and also kind of like the more comfortable elements to yeah yeah almost like a 50s like yeah like in the law like Rhonda night in the city the Prowler like a jazz heavy score it was really cool mm-hmm I really like the voice of the Mugwump and other characters I like that it was the same voice for every single one of them even though they were like different characters because it's almost yeah it's almost like bringing this element of like internal dialogue in a sense clearly something in his head yeah adds a bit of like sense to it so you can sort of like break it down and kind of figure out a little bit if you if you if you heart like Ralph and you just went in completely blowing if you little little Keys little details that you can keep track of and try and understand bits about it mm-hmm I watched this with I think like four other people and everybody really enjoyed it nobody nobody was disappointed or pissed off by it although I could imagine you know depending on the type of person there's there's people that would probably just be like this is [ __ ] it's not a movie for everybody obviously but I thought it was great yeah you'll probably know if you're gonna like it yeah the first scene with a like puppet monster thing if you say there's a knocking about [Laughter] [Music] yeah I don't even have much more beyond that because it is just is one of those experience movies on top of the backstory where over time you will probably read more and more into it maybe even read the original book because it's been recommended to me before but I don't know I don't know how you could resist even reading up about the film after watching it obviously yeah yeah but I was gonna say something and then I forgot what I was gonna say [ __ ] well I liked it I didn't know what to get out of it really but it was thoroughly entertaining I would like to see it again at some point I'm gonna three out of five for now mm-hmm sorry I couldn't decide on a on a number 18 particularly and it doesn't really matter that much to me but I reckon have four stars or maybe potentially a five if if I like it the same amount on a rewatch yeah I'd I give it an 8 out of 10 how would you guys say this compares to other Cronenberg movies because I enjoyed this one more than any other one that I've seen honestly he made history of violence right I think that's my favorite one yeah from him that would probably be my second favorite I think did he do the fly yeah the fly I loved the fly so much and that's like a great horror movie in that it's mostly just a character study and then the last ten minutes it becomes that horrific grotesque Cronenberg yeah that you know yeah but most of it is just about Jeff Goldblum and like how the power kind of corrupts him it's [ __ ] excellent it's so it's a it's not this is linear it's not like ya know spoiling it's it's one of those pop culture movies like I think you're spoiled for the movie by watching like well you know he's gonna become a fly yeah yeah all right thanks for the recommendation there really enjoy yeah it was fun yeah I'm really glad I watched it finally yeah question time right let's move on to some questions from the sardine community comment alike and by the way guys sardine is probably a bit nicer than Sode Sode might be construed a certain way yeah if you leave your own questions for us to head over to the sadhana cars reddit where there's a suggestion thread to the route for pin you can leave us a question ask you whatever we want whatever you want let's start with this one it's only for Adam but I think will be an interesting discussion no no no trust me from Santiago 1 106 hey Adam can you explain bagged milk oh that's like that's like an Eastern Canada thing so it's not like milk where you uh no I I don't think I don't think most of Canada does that actually there's like some places in Ontario so it's like do a Google search amazing so instead of like cartons in grocery stores they sell milks it's simply milk in bags like like a kind of like a plastic select the environment yeah I don't know I don't that would be a bad excuse plastic bags for the environment I'm just trying to figure out why no yeah yeah I have no idea like you can't close it properly but you've never seen you've never seen bagged milk in the wild you've seen it at a grocery store in eastern Canada I think but yeah it's not it's not like super common but it's like even Canada is like the only place that does it so like I've seen pictures of people storing it so you'd have like like one of those kind of like I guess oval shapes juice jugs or whatever like a plastic juice jug and then you put the plastic bag in the juice jug and then snip off the corner and then like then you can pour it but then I'm thinking like then you just need like a clip or something to keep it sealed you don't want to just leave the milk expose yeah that entire time I don't get it either what's wrong with the recyclable carton there's nothing wrong with a recyclable curtain at all I don't understand why that's the biggest problem so apparently the advantage is cheaper to produce and unsere to store their stock easier they've got less space as if you like how much milk am I keep it in my fridge I guess I guess for warehouses I guess for the grocery store yeah I guess for the grocery stores it's better not for me cuz they like a lot of milk related cuisine and they're something that you need to school lost amounts of milk I don't think so I think I think the French use more milk in their cuisine than yeah Canadians so I have no idea I have no idea but I don't think it's a lot I think most of Canada does not have bagged milk it is famous things about kind of did for some reason yes why comment below if you can justify bagged milk okay seeing as that one was aimed for Adam let's do an inverse one that's for me and Ralph more sir the show asks Alex and Ralph what are your favorite movies that Adam is given a 6 out of 10 choose from you and I like go through my IMDB ratings or something I think I can actually tell well I can go in letterbox and lettings under because someone it's not you didn't you don't run it it's like an unofficial thing like I said it's the same ratings yeah exactly so I could just do that ma'am it's the obvious choice for me in spite of this I love that movie yeah I was just about to say spider-verse where did you give that six out of time yeah I give it a six for six I'm comfortable with that rating I'm very comfortable with it we love it closer to a 704 my opinion is right you're wrong you're nitpicking and biased I win bye-bye that's the mean yes that's the main one for me like a car do you think of any others that way I can't believe he's done this for a while people were really pissed off that my 6 out of 10 for Apocalypse Now but that's because I only saw the Redux version when I was like 15 and it was like three and a half hours long or some [ __ ] so I watched I watched the final cut in theaters when it came out recently and I bumped it up to a 7 and I feel like if I watched the theatrical cut I would probably give it an 8 I don't understand what some of those scenes don't need to be there but a lot of it's really great I like I like first reforms I think way more than you did I think I gave about at least a seven yeah I think you gave it a seven yeah so I don't know spider-verse is a good answer fighter birth second with that do you what's the six out ten you got the most backlash for the top of your head most backlash for oh that's a good question first thing in your head well it would it I mean Toy Story 3 is one that I think I gave a 6 out of 10 I think inside out I don't know I might have given that one of five actually do people get upset about like 6 out of 10 yeah because if you make some systems a little different you know and so people see 6 out of 10 is like super negative for some reason because they're used to IGN ratings where everything's a 9 it's not even worth getting if it's an 8 yeah I mean like there's 6 out of 10 movies that I really really enjoy there's some 6 out of 10 movies that I don't enjoy that much but you know I try to try to have my rating be you know a mix of not just personal enjoyment but what I think are like the you know like the technical qualities like the elements of the film the acting music cinematography writing etc and I can understand that even if something really really works for those elements that doesn't mean that I'm gonna connect to it personally it usually ends up being superhero movies people get oh yeah like passionate a lot of superhero movie you know regardless of the rating unless you love it are there any other types of movies now yeah I think people were really at a better temper I think Captain America the third one whatever that was Civil War Civil War I was gonna say infinity war I knew that wasn't right there's a few different Wars yeah Civil War was I think I gave that one a 6 people were mad when I changed my Joker rating to a six out of ten but you guys all gave it a 6 so yeah yeah we got [ __ ] for that one yeah exactly yeah people weren't happy about that one but yeah just you don't have to agree with every single thing you can like whatever you like yeah how do you stomach people that you disagree with people you disagree with or the enemy that's why you listen other people oh right so you can hear something different I only ever listen to myself or men yeah it's just a feedback loop you don't want that you want someone to tell you that Gemini man is a great movie I think I think a lot of people also get this out of my six out of 10 rating is because it is a fairly common rating that I give but it actually makes sense good I would say most movies are probably a lot worse but the types of movies that I watch the types of movies that will make it to theaters and I see an ad or I know enough about it that actually it's interesting to me and I want to see what it's like most of those aren't gonna be 5 or lower right chances are I'm good enough at knowing what I'll enjoy that things will be at least you know bit above the bar even if they're not like exceptional mm-hmm yeah I can see that I think it makes sense yeah it does make sense ok obvious communist has one for us are there any movies that you may have enjoyed at one point but now a ruin due to memes or controversy etc hmm I've had this happen a couple times to me now the meme won even before this new Joker movie came out Heath Ledger's Joker started getting meme really heavily a couple of years ago sort of began like they're like because because the gamer memes like really rose to to fame around them of course the like Joker thing was tied in and then it was kind of distracting to me when I rewatched the Dark Knight like I just couldn't get her up my head I couldn't it didn't like ruin the movie but it was just there in the back of my mind weighs a little bit these [ __ ] stupid Joker memes and the same happen for the new movie yeah I guess so I don't really I don't really get too bothered by memes I guess I don't come today see then controversy well like have you rewatched a Kevin Spacey movie yet I really ignore those parts really I'm able to watch a film in a way where I'm not like even if I do acknowledge it even if I'm thinking man that guy's a creepy pedo or something like I still enjoy Polanski movies you know I watched Rosemary's Baby recently and that was awesome I mean I've seen it before but it doesn't really it doesn't really bother me that much I'm usually able to separate art from the artist aside from maybe a couple minor cases I mentioned this before on the podcast yeah we talked about this bio like this around actors I've never really enjoyed his stuff in the first book like like an actor in a movie who cares it's just someone doing a job they're reading lines and there's awesome white people who made the movie is a big factor yeah there's tons of people yeah so to act like it's one voice yeah this one a one pedophile made this movie and that's it so don't watch it it's a little it's simplifying it a little bit yeah when they're already are you really hurting Kevin Spacey's in it yeah exactly Kevin Spacey's any up for like with decent amount but he's just he's acting he's playing a character it's like okay it's not that distracting yeah I like that he's a creep Bond scenes like yeah he's just a guy who got paid to do a job he's an actor he got paid yeah it's like I don't know but if you find out that the person that somebody like made some life-saving cancer cure but they were also a pedophile do you just throw away the cancer cure like if my plumber if my plumber is like a murderer or something or terrible I wouldn't undo the plumbing in my house I went on doing he did the rites are at the the novel of the film we just talked about murdered someone and has him worse so yeah I mean yeah bother us lemme gave his film glowing reviews yeah meanwhile there's tons of nice people like Will Smith and M night Shyamalan and we give their movies horrible values what about controversies like the like Life of Pi for example with that pissed me off he plays being horrific ly underpaid and so yeah the animation studio did that bankrupt did that affect your views on the actual film though no how did you deal with that one I think it's separate is that work was still amazing yeah they did a fantastic job it just sucks what happened to them when it's like sausage party or something where the movie comes out so bad yes yeah or like you learn they torture those animation people apparently they've overworked them and paid them not as much as they should of and the movie just came out like a big piece of [ __ ] because the stars and the writer you just didn't give a [ __ ] about the actual yeah that that case is way more annoying to me yeah really it's very very rare that I'm my experience of an art form is going to be influenced by that type of thing I think it's more common for music for me because what they're selling is supposed to be some sort of like honest reflection and if the veil is lifted and you know if what they're selling is kind of like contradictory to who they are as a person it's like okay well I don't believe this anymore I don't believe what you're saying in this song you know mhm so that that can have an impact but you know a fictional narrative is something entirely different it could affect the outcome of the movie too like if everyone's arguing on set and there's like controversy like I guess with Fantastic Four then the movies just gonna come out bad every classic novel before whatever year you know probably written by a bunch of homophobes we're gonna be honest you know like is it you can't just throw away everything I don't think you could still appreciate things even if people are terrible yeah Wow we have two questions from different people that can just go into each other because the first one is just for Ralph but I think people would would appreciate his brief thoughts on this from the corniest Lima who asks Ralph what do you think of mr. robot season four so far the people must know it's well I want to stay silent on it are you enjoying but I am really enjoying it I'd say silent because there's an episode that recently came out that was all no dialogue like there was no dialogue in the episode it was a silent episode and that was phenomenal how they raised interesting and there's like yeah there's really impressive like technical things going on and the score and that episode was incredible but like overall it's kind of it hasn't won me over completely yet because it's doing something very different it's more of a it's goofier and it's more like a Christmas everyone in every characters like dealing with their demons in a christmas-themed like special weirds very bizarre yes so it is like very sentimental and corny but it works because it's Christmas and there's also this hacker plot going on and the the actual story has gotten so insane that it's like some [ __ ] Illuminati level [ __ ] is going on and Elliott needs to stop it so it is pretty good so far I want to see where it goes yeah yeah that's my thoughts on it yeah I think people appreciate that and to expand on the this TV sort of theme not jus 30 for us do you think it's possible for TV shows to overtake bigger budget movies in the futures and they reach a point in which they are equal or superior in quality it's already happened replace them yeah yeah I mean you can choose the Irishman that's incredible that's not it yeah it's a Netflix movie coming out yeah but Neph we're talking about I guess like miniseries yeah I guess I I guess I was thinking more like streaming you know just like these studios are not going to be the big boys in town anymore you're gonna be able to watch great movies and series just big-budget on Amazon or Netflix they're making a lore of the Rings show right now yeah that costs half a billion dollars yeah yeah that's gonna be watching shows well yeah which is coming out the second yeah big fantasy thing that costs that much money so fascinating because when it can be done right I find it more satisfying just in terms of like you can have way more in-depth plots you can have much more character development there's a lot you can do in a season of a TV show and with the production like is catching up to the point where you have like I've mentioned it a couple of times in the last few episodes with that like Dark Crystal Netflix show they the production on that was so impressive to me I can't it looked so expensive I couldn't believe while seeing a much better than new actress more like yeah yeah yeah exactly but yeah I was blown away but by that show in particular but then if you are looking for more like serious dramatic things you have like mine hunter is wait you got mr. roe boy there's so much choice and so much of it is excellent and a lot better in a lot of ways than some of some of the films well a lot of the films that are coming out especially when we're seeing the Disneyfication of everything and that those kinds of smaller stories now have they've been pushed into a different space somewhat they're really able to be explored because we're we're right in the middle of this these streaming wars and there's just so much money being pumped into all these like creators so you do get like some of this wacky stuff that you wouldn't see on the big screen kind of being explored to the same quality or even better mountain places it's just a different format technology's gotten so good no film these yeah you can't film these epic things and it looks you know excellent because our technology is capable of it now the cameras at this point like digital looks just as good as film if you color correct it right so there's there's no excuse if you could do [ __ ] anything on television now and that was not that's not the way it was 15 years ago we were very limited just Bo so it's exciting yeah HBO and you would have to pump tons of money into that [ __ ] yep even your latest project Ralph was a Spanish total episodes golden hour yeah three episodes and we made it for $7,000 right because it's like it's not a it's not a testament to me it's a testament to the all of us and the technology that you can just do something like shoot it all on the street and it looks good and you don't have to spend much money on it to get it to look good it's just gotten to that point yeah waiting time yeah yeah there will be a point like 15 20 years down the road where independent creators will just be able to make like these movie like like big-budget movie quality stuff with no money because like the Ronan's will just that get that good and and like the lenses will get that good using the GH five yeah GH 5s oh yeah which is like $2,000 right the body you have to get lenses - yeah but yeah exactly like like there's no anyone can do that you could just go make a show and put it on YouTube right now for five thousand dollars that's great you couldn't do that ten years ago making a 15 no budget music video this guy looks pretty good so yeah excellent a lot of tedious editing but yeah I think I think we're pretty much at that point where you know the television series and films are comparable there's great and bad examples of both so mm-hmm Game of Thrones I think was groundbreaking in that just the scale of it the writing went to [ __ ] but it really is impressive to see the scale of like the sets and how many extras and characters there are in it in the big battles yeah it was more impressive than a lot of fantasy in cinema in the last few years yeah production standpoint mm-hm and you also were way more invested in those characters so when those battles did happen it's like movie quality battles with that character development of television that slow-burn like you said and it's it's really satisfying people are really engaged in that [ __ ] not in the same way as they are in movies now all right one more question yeah osm with this one then from b-dog 7 171 you boys have expressed your distaste for tonal shifts within films many times so I'm interested to know if you can think of any examples of an affective shift in tone atmosphere or even style within a film thanks sardonic Kate's what yeah any Korean movie really the only thing I get bothered by tonal shifts it's not like oh it's a tempting more than one tone it's just when it it's either contradictory or just plain doesn't work or when one of them has done great and the other is done poorly you know it's just yeah it just feels like in the editing room someone didn't know what they were doing so there's like these comedy moments mixed with the serious [ __ ] I feel like most of the time it's just an accident I'll look at my letterbox list what were you saying Alex you said Danny Boyle has a lot of films that do this 28 days later it's kind of a zombie movie for most of it and there turns into like a more of a thriller at the end ether the army camp whatever is and I'm just saying with a sunshine yet that that does almost the inverse it's like a sci-fi thriller and then it sort of turns into horror from it's been a long time since I've seen it but I remember that happening and I'm sure there are a few more and his in his library he's got some quite good examples of it yeah as long as everything's done well internal shift isn't a bad thing yeah I guess the most common thing that makes these shifts kind of fall on their places is often when humor is interjected and it's like really doesn't work movies do that really really well it like doesn't take away from the dramatic serious elements at all even to have those comedic how do they do that it's just well presented and well written you know like that III think that if comedy winds up taking away from the more serious elements of a movie either it's because the comedy is just poorly written and it doesn't work and it just makes you hate the movie or the serious elements weren't all that amazing to begin with anyway if all it takes is you know a different tone in other parts of the film to make you not take the whole thing seriously anymore it really depends on how it's done I think David Lynch does it well balancing the comedy in the serious stuff I think like all these movies do that but like Lost Highway I think it's probably the best one which literally becomes like a different movie halfway through it focuses on two totally different characters an hour into the movie yeah but it was great it was really interesting and it made sense so it just it depends depends who's doing it oh yeah with you trying to think of more examples the death of dick long is surprising I'm sorry is really really funny in my opinion what you're saying Alex yeah it's the type of thing like you notice in the moment but it's hard to even recall like specific examples all right yeah leave your best in the comments I just felt back on David Lynch as usual that's good on set yeah he does the best all right that's it for question time so I believe Ralph has a recommendation mm-hmm for us right is it for are we having the guest on yes episode or is this okay so yeah movie from 1970 I believe for another Nicolas Roeg movie who directed don't look now it's called performance and Mick Jagger's in it that's a crime musical avant-garde film it's psychedelic it's considered one of the best films to come out of UK okay of the century so interesting it's an iconic film at first it was shunned because no one liked it but it has gained a following so it's definitely going to incite it's pretty easy I think yet son iTunes and Amazon in the u.s. brilliant and I guess if it's like a UK film I'd be surprised to find it it wasn't available in the UK but you never know it happen alright if you don't want to be spoiled for performance 1970 make sure to watch it before the next episode next episode we'll be having a special guest somebody who's been requested a few times super mile to dunkey you guys we already made a donkey on this podcast yeah very quotable very excited hayley three baby just curious to hear what he has to say about performance yeah I don't know what movie it will incite discussion okay if you want to support the show sardonic ascom sign up for premium two dollars a month will get you these episodes early when they're edited also patreon.com slash starred on a cast same thing also we got merch thank you all for listening to this episode thank you and thanks everybody get hyped for dunky dunky hype next episode in the meantime let's recharge because we're a little bit bright yeah yeah [ __ ] I'm gonna either get sleep before the next episode or have a Red Bull it won't be the day after this my sunday stream next time I was playing death stranding and untitled goose game oh good night you know those trends no yeah I was trying to 100% the goose game and I did but I was up pretty late doing things like two hours isn't it well it's two hours on the main story and then another like I guess three or so if you want a hundred percent it but anyway thank you guys so much bye-bye see ya buddy

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Reddit Comments

[u/Balestro]

List of Adum's 6's that I really love (9/10, 10/10):

• Logan
• Dawn Of The Planet Of The Apes
• Zootopia
• Ex Machina
• The Incredibles
• Source Code
• You Were Never Really Here
• How To Train Your Dragon
• Relatos Salvajes

I also think these films are really good (8/10):

• The Tribe
• A Most Violent Year
• Annihilation
• Gravity
• Edge Of Tomorrow
• Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse
• Gran Torino
• 5 Centimetres Per Second
• Iron Man
• Zero Dark Thirty
• Pacific Rim
• 10 Cloverfield Lane
• Looper
• Manchester By The Sea
• Shutter Island
• Toy Story 3
• Still Alice
• Me And Earl And The Dying Girl
• Pirates Of The Caribbean: The Curse Of The Black Pearl
• Tangerine
• Taxi
• BlacKkKlansman
• Intouchables
• Short Term 12
• The Wind Rises
• Kubo And The Two Strings
• Dredd
• 120 BPM
• The Disaster Artist
• Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes
• Lady Bird
• Tropic Thunder
• Star Wars
• The Fly
• Spotlight
• Avengers: Infinity War
• Silver Linings Playbook
• Seven Psychopaths
• Hotel Rwanda
• Argo
• Star Wars: Episode 5 - The Empire Strikes Back
• Rush

That is literally all of them lmao

[u/SpectacularMark]

I wonder what Ralph thinks of Mr Robot now after THAT reveal.

[u/vincentrainbows]

Why isn’t it on apple podcast yet!!?

[u/[deleted]]

Hey guys let’s just create our own question thread.

[u/LivianGrey]

Bagged milk made it to Western Australia. Mostly used in cafes that'll go through litres of it in a day anyway. No sensible person buys it for personal use unless desperate:

https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/atrpsg/bagged_milk_has_appeared_in_australia/

[u/DokuMusic]

Hey how come this ain't on Apple or Spotify?