Salvador Dali Interview with Mike Wallace (1958)

good evening tonight we go after the story of an extraordinary of personality he's Salvador Dali the great surrealist painter who sees the world through surrealist eyes if you're curious to hear Salvador Dali talk about decadence death and immortality about his surrealist art his politics and his existence before he was born we'll go after those stories in just a moment my name is Mike Wallace the cigarette is Parliament the new high filtration filter Parliament presents Mike Wallace interview we'll talk with Salvador Dali in just a moment I think you'll welcome the change to recessed smoking because now Parliament with the recessed filter is best the new hi-fi Parliament and here's why first Parliament is best because only Parliament can give you over 30,000 traps no other popular cigarette delivers less nicotine and tar second unlike ordinary filters Parliament's filter is recessed set deep down inside here so that trapped nicotine and tar can't get on your lips and third because 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example of Daly's latest phase the crucifixion showing his current preoccupation with religious subjects now let's try to find out some more about the Enigma of Salvador Dali Dali first of all let me ask you this you're a remarkable painter and you've dedicated your life to art in view of this why do you behave the way that you do for instance you have been known to drive in a car fill to the roof with the cauliflowers you lectured as I mentioned once with your head and closed in a diving helmet and you almost suffocated you issue bizarre statements about your love for rhinoceros horns and so on you're a dedicated artist why do you or why must you do these things because for this kind of a eccentricities correspond alone more important and the more tragical part of my life the more important and more tragical part I don't understand the more philosophical what is philosophical about driving in a car full of cauliflowers or lecturing inside covered the neck one tremendous speech almost solution teaching in the Sorbonne in Paris about my discovering of the locally bleak pool of cauliflower the what logarithmic ask belong or the LaTourette neck curve yes in the same time the logarithmic hospital in the or of rhinoceros in this time discover pleases the symbol of chastity when the most powerful symbols of modern time chastity is one of the most powerful symbols of modern times my opinion is the more version and the more dramatic because as electricity represent the torch of spirit and lecture is the reason cannot forget this chance in any religion you know because I promised qui T the people neck long is no more the spiritual strength nomoreshame don't talk yes well we will get to your spirituality you're increasing spirituality over the years in just a moment about lecturing with your head enclosed in a diving helmet why why because there in this moment like the audience understand dollie penetrate in the boat of course young me for that penetrate penetrate in the bottom of ship concern you in the sea in the inside of the sea yes a diamond in the profounder of subconscious in the depth of the subconscious exactly yellow be the one very clear symbol for arrive in peace stage of them we try to understand in all seriousness we try to understand you and you try to explain but earlier this week you told our reporter I like to be a clown of the food I like to spread complete confusion before we went on the air you said to me ask embarrassing questions ask embarrassing like the Morris what I got why because uh su dentally make one movie found in this movie my shell dance Charlie spawn and my friends look this piece of movie at all dolly in T star is much better with Charlie Chaplin for me is very interesting well I usually see easily as one marvelous painter a in the same time is one marvelous you a thousand times much more interesting for everybody you want to be a marvelous clown as well as a marvelous painter she's possible look two together it's very good you know Charlie Chaplin is one genial clown but never painted in kattiline or see dolly so but it what a design a charity shop in a in the same time pain masterpieces of over a thousand times much more importantly Charlie Chuck gonna wait wait despite your high jinks time and again you have called yourself a genius and you're very serious about this now you want to be evidently you want to be a genius in two fields first of all you have called yourself a judge you know any different pieces you know you yes what else besides in highest well the more important in my life more color gloom more color painting north nine draftsmanship is my personality draftsmanship my personality is more important every of these little facets of my activity in other words what is most important to you is my personal expressing doubt I'll not the painting not the clowning nothing but the painting the clown Lila showmanship the technique everything is only one manner for express look but our personality of I see I see let's take a look at one of your major paintings Dali it's called sleep there it is now on the monitor what's the point of this picture is there any point this is very important because myself work constantly in the moment of sleep every of my best ideas coming through my dreams Eleanor darling young activity countries it is mumming for asleep in other words you conceive a good deal of your the more important things happen in the moment myself I was going to ask if there was any major theme any powerful idea which inspires all your work could you tell us what it was evidently what it is is simply an expression of Dali period there is nothing more in it or am I wrong well no of dally of course not gonna tell you the what look cosmogony non-smoking cosmogony of Dali what is the cosmogony what does that mean this is in advance of new nuclear physics because every of my paintings everybody last in the moment of look for the Philistine battle moss after 12 years every scientific people recognized every of this painting as one real prophecy in the moment of pain my salt watches this not rigid object for everybody a myself paint is watches anchor very soft commander everybody laugh the last development of nuclear physics proof called a new conception of space-time is completely flexible nobody's in the microphysics the time board in Gregory disprove cactus object of completely realistic approach of saw Watchers completely true and scientific Dali I must confess you lost me about halfway through and I'm not sure [ __ ] I'm not sure that we can let me try it another way what what does a painter what does any painter contribute to the world and to his fellow man any painter not just darling what does a painter contribute every painter paint the cosmogony of in terms of himself and it's as simple as that which can turn off I'll paint the cosmogony of Raphael Raphael is live in France period yes Valli pain the Atomic Age and the Freudian edge nuclear sings and chicken oolitic scenes which contemporary painters if any do you admire a few Dali a after Dali Picasso the after teeth literally but these Dali and Picasso are the only two that really relate to it is like Jen use of modern times the two geniuses of modern times are Dali and Picasso in your autobiography you wrote this you said I adore three things weakness old age and luxury why because the luxury is on product of monarchy in myself everyday becoming more monarchy more in political way because never there is beliefs interested in Pauline politics but in philosophical and Cosmo Cosmo Chronicle why yes because in the modern science the new discoveries of chromosomes and physics and biology everything blue color monarchy islam arabic surely of things like the most luxurious are old a in the most perfect and all the party and old age why do you adore all day because uh believe color young people is completely stupid you know young people are stupid it's only necessary only believe for some all people design : out of the beam chi or arrive or some real achievement and weakness why do you adore weakness because we know in the modern physics everything is weak you know is everything every portal and people turn the throne be resolved what do you mean the surrended of weakness nothing but in this moment the most fantastic thing in physics is antimatter every new physician talk a bit about antimatter Italy pain twenty years ago the first antimatter engines you write in your biography that death is beautiful what's beautiful about death why is death beautiful clear is one feeling everything is erotic in my opinion everything is erotic erotic is earthly immediately saw arrived the feeling of death everything becoming Noble and sublime Oh in other words life is erotic and therefore ugly death is not erotic but sublime therefore billion beautiful have you know your content you nikki bella's now is you a little good faith a little and some but since identity you becoming depth everybody took out the sharp or you becoming one fantastic man everyone will respect you thousand times much better you know are you making sure were my audience by where the suggestions exactly so you will make one a striptease becoming ugly in one second yo I tell me this uh what do you think will happen to you when you die my chef no believe in my death you will not die no no believe in general is dead but in the death of Dali absolutely not not she believed in my death becoming very young try it is almost impossible you are you fear that yes that is beautiful but you fear death exactly because the Li is contradictory and paradoxical many well yes indeed Allah is paradoxical and contradictory but why what why this fear of death what do you fear in death death because there is no sufficient convinced of my five in religion it knows in the moment of myself believe more you're not sufficiently convinced of your faith exactly in religion when I spoke with you about a year ago we talked about religion and you said that as the years go by you embrace Roman Catholicism more and more with your mind but not yet completely with your heart Jesus rule why not because perhaps is my really intellectual trend information but now every day is more approach of this really feeling of religion just one man's agro is one tremendous operation of Appendix yeah broken appendix the after peace operation becoming three times more religious - before how old are you done never done and exactly the 54 from you something are you formerly involved with your religion do you go to church and good deal do you pray do you every day more but there's no more sufficiently not sufficient have you ever had a supernatural vision other she's notorious see but no supernatural no supernatural an article about you you mentioned your your fear of death an article about you in Life magazine once said that you're afraid of almost everything from ocean liners to grasshoppers the article said you won't buy shoes you don't like to take off your shoes in public and that when you go out you carry a little piece of Spanish driftwood which you keep to ward off evil spells yes because the remaining very very superstitious but this is I'm sure this combine of every Spanish people you know Spanish people is a very superstition do you know anything about politics at all you say you don't care about them do you know anything about them do you know for instance who the Prime Minister of Great Britain is yes but but no not not a key care of this because for me limpet ranching is look the philosophical events of every moment and now is absolutely sure for instance the monarchy is restorative time very shortly you think that will being Prince Juan Carlos a Kaplan quadri or it is restoration it's absolutely convincing a monarchy coming back in France very shortly after one military plops won the gold period do you know who the Vice President of the United States is can you name the Nixon you're just but this what you will know about this possibility perhaps to know you put this in question and you will know what do you enjoy doing most do you like to talk to paint to eat to think what what do you like to spend your time doing that my manner of expend my time avec la more joy the more delectable is becoming everyday a little more Dali a little more jolly because in the beginning of my life you remember like it'd be coming up alone personally it's the worst you wanted to be a cop no we wouldn't like Napoleon cooking woman one woman cooking you wanted to be a woman cooking exactly no one man one woman cookie ii like and becoming not alone napoleon a later one like it becoming the lead and now every day more about in a moment I'd like to ask you about an extraordinary power which you claim that you have you've written that you can remember your thoughts and your feelings before you were born and I'd like to know what those thoughts and feelings were and we'll get salvador 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that happen to you in your infancy but even your feelings before you were born what were they what did you think about what did you feel no remember very clearly many major I'll role only in black and white but in glorious Technicolor technical I see and what specifically come first for first person X little X at all about these visions or dr. Freud in London the Freud tell me is absolutely true is Laura Jean of intra children memories probably my position without position my people very air by my pants the pen of my position was it well what was it like was it was it Pleasant before you Obama is completely paradise paradise this moment the more divine images in the moment of body is the moment of the paradise is lost these always looked aerial autorun well under those circumstances I find it difficult to understand your fear of death if the moment of being born was Paradise Lost perhaps death for you will be Paradise Regained and therefore I would think that you might offer but is not absolutely sure trouble see the death is well again not like on care of the paradise this is excellent that is not true yeah do you do you enjoy yourself as as you live do you like yourself you think you say that you are a genius certainly you have had enjoy my life they do every day mom you do every week more because observed ali-a my admiration for dolly becoming tremendous what what kind of dreams do you have what are they about done every time is very agreeable and creative the last dreams is about the antimatter angels if perhaps four five monks only dream about Archangels Angeles Kings and the most beautiful spectacular you seem to be a mild-mannered man are you are you are you a mild man are you a pleasant man to deal with are you a friendly man you seem to be a mild man an easy man everyone do you love the Liberty Maji and everybody loves down but your paintings they're frequently violent and you've written that in your private life you have had in sudden impulses to injure people as a child you kicked people you threw a friend off a rocky ledge as an adult you confess that you wants to kick the legless beggar along the street exactly but Jesus is my adolescence period now becoming much more quiet which is kind of sadistic seems yes the contrary after my religious feelings becoming more extra yeah these sadistic things of my adolescence which appear almost completely desert sir and and when you were young man - you used to try to hurt you a masochistic as well as sadistic you used to try to hurt yourself you'd bind your head there's not electric hurt because you felt that you could be more creative that way you do not need that no now every of these disappear because every of my libido now it should be made in the religion and the mysticism man well there's one story about yourself I'd like to ask you about before you go when you were procore ting your wife gala you did an unusual thing as you've described it you smeared your body with your own blood from a cut you tore your clothes and then you rub the jar of evil-smelling fish glue all over yourself and you plan to present yourself this way in front of your future wife why did you do that because in this moment believe could kiss this moment believe is true it's almost crazy before Met Gala my my bride is very close of one psycho pathologic grind your brain yeah an increased Naaman like Sudoku Allah in the most terrific manner I believe collects Mel Islam or attracted manner for said gala a gala becoming more with me at least is probably the real Ganesha and Allah create the real mysticism Allah VL glassy seas of my actual life and you have been married now together for how many years Oh 25300 and for incest still in lowered her voice table more in the beginning the other something Canova italy in prubs is that we never neck loss of a quater woman peggeleh in 20 years l the people never believed because they everybody hey why shouldn't we believe it's the most sensible thing in the world you have but there's more mature believe is very frequent but little people Tomac is very exceptional well I don't think perhaps as exceptional and now my obsession is the chastity because velocity is well not a problem force you for the moon you know dolly I certainly thank you for coming and spending this time I'm looking forward to the publication of your new book dolly which will be published in the fall and I understand we'll have a good many color plates of your paintings in it Thank You doc nothing to those who raise eyebrows or look down their noses at him Salvador Dali bristles his remarkable mustache with equal disdain as he puts it I cannot understand why human beings should be so little individualized why they should behave with such great collective uniformity he says I do not understand why when I asked for a grilled lobster in a restaurant I've never served a cook telephone I'll be back in a moment with a special announcement about future plans one pack I believe is all it takes to discover that now Parliament with the recessed filter is best the best filter flavor combination ever and here's why first over 30,000 traps in this filter no other popular cigarette delivers less nicotine and tar second unlike every other filter Parliament's filter is recess gets set deep down inside here so the trapped nicotine and tar can't get on your lips and third because it's recess there's no bitter taste of trap nicotine and tar despoil Parliament's pure tobacco flavor it's a clean and satisfying smoke and remember Parliament is continuously tested and reported by the United States testing company one of the world's leading independent testing laboratories smoke the best high fire Parliament now at popular price tonight's interview ends my series which started a year ago for the Philip Morris company the makers of Philip Morris Parliament and Marlboro cigarettes and I want to thank the Philip Morris company sincerely for helping me to bring you these programs next Sunday evening next Sunday evening at 10 o'clock Eastern Daylight Saving Time on many of these stations I'll start a new interview series devoted to the theme of freedom and survival the series will be produced in cooperation with the fund for the Republic and will be designed to encourage public discussion of freedom and justice we're going to talk about the problems of the individual in his relationship to big government big business and big labor we're going to examine the growing power of political parties and pressure groups we'll talk about the responsibility of our mass media newspapers magazines motion pictures and television we'll discuss these issues with such men as Supreme Court Justice William Douglas Aldous Huxley author of brave new world industrialist Cyrus equal next Sunday night on the first program will open the series with an examination of religious skepticism of the conflict between church and state of religion and morality in American life our guest you see him behind me will be one of the world's leading religious thinkers the Protestant theologian dr. Rinaldi Breuer will ask dr. Lieber why he charges that our current religious revival is essentially as essentially meaningless we'll find out why dr. niller says that religion can never abolish injustice and evil in society that's next Sunday at 10:00 on many of these stations till then Mike Wallace good night but Mike Wallace interview has been brought to you by the new high filtration Parliament Parliament now for the first time at popular price [Music] look for brand names when you shop you'll always be satisfied see the unusual on you asked for tomorrow on ABC television network you

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Length: 30min 2sec (1802 seconds)

Published: Tue Feb 07 2017

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