Ryan Clark & Dan Orlovsky GET HEATED debating Josh Allen’s loss to the Chiefs | Get Up

Rex what is the first thing we say coming out of that matchup between those two quarterbacks I mean an all-time classic again like every time these two cats go at it and we mentioned just them because it really is about the two most talented guys we've ever seen play the position but I mean the game lived up to everything we were wanting it to and unfortunately for the bills it's just a few missed opportunities and a couple of deep balls they just make a play on one of those things are we looking at a different game it just but man oh man as a fan of this game I mean I wish we get to see it again you know it sucks that someone has to lose in game yeah y'all didn't do what y'all was supposed to do what all right you want this game no this game this game was what it was supposed to be this game was about the two most talented quarterbacks in the entire enre world going back and forth and we've seen it before we saw it in the divisional Playoff round a few years ago which was why we named this the new Brady Manning competition right the new Brady Manning Saga but when we look at this game once again Patrick momes beats Josh Allen yeah and we sit on this show and we consistently say how great Josh Allen is and I agree but we start to grade Josh Allen on a curve when we were on the call this morning it felt like I was listening to LeBron fans before he took his talent to South Beach it was Josh did this and Josh did that we were on the phone for for 20 minutes and greeny didn't even know I was on the phone because y'all wax poetically about how great the loser of this game was is great rightfully so he was great RC RC this is the second time we've watched this guy go head-to-head against Patrick and he's been inarguably at worst the second best player on the field if not the best player in the field and lost both times both times because he was let down he was let down a couple years ago by the defense with 13 seconds he was let down yesterday by three massive drops in in that football game that the difference of this game in many ways comes down to one quarterback Patrick had his guys make plays and one quarterback didn't that's a perfect throw to sherfield down the left sideline that ends up in a drop Kansas City Defender does not so so Watson wasn't there to make that a that's a perfect throw on to sherfield on Third and 15 something I ain't never seen perfect throw where you had to lay out laterally to catch it this is a perfect throw to that's a perfect throw perfect throw that's a perfect throw the one sherfield the play that's a perfect that's 65 yards in the air hey that's that's a perfect throw but we don't make one of those but so so so here is my question yeah right because because we want to come here and we want to defend Josh Allen you don't have to defend him you can say straight up Josh Allen is an absolute dude Josh Allen has shown up for this team when he needed to except for when he's needed to most Josh Allen took the checkdowns the entire game I get it to you it's the right throw and it can be the right throw but if it's the right throw you have to make it and yes bass misses the field goal but if we take the Crosser and we get a catch and run and we get a little further we now give ourselves more Downs so Patrick Mahomes doesn't get the ball and if we do kick it it's not kicking it from where it is in the elements here's the truth okay the last two years right the Buffalo Bills has have done what they've had to do to have the divisional game in their Stadium y Joe burrow came there he walked into your trap and he took over your trap Patrick Mahomes came in there he walked in your trap and he took over your trap at some point Josh Allen is going to have to beat the other great quarterbacks in the AFC everybody else the other quarterbacks we're 5- 0 0 and3 against Patrick 0 And1 against Joe and the one against Joe is at our crib at some point at some point y'all got to say he's coming up short we don't say Tom Brady is the greatest of all time because he's the most talented it's because he's the best when he needs to be the best but in part because Adam veter made some huge kicks when they mattered the most RC there's no way that we watch that game and yesterday just put it to put into context listen I'll give you the third and n throw I'll give you that Josh needed to make one more throw or one more decision he's going up against a top three defense without I don't think Steph has played like a number one receiver right now in football K Davis not in it so he's out without at least his number two Steph not playing to that Elite level ball Kansas City's top three defense 27 first downs that's the most anybody's had against Kansas City this year no sacks no one's done that against Kansas City this year they scored on 50% of their possessions they ran for 182 yards and they had three drives three drives of 75 yards or more than touchdowns that no one did against Kansas City and that all started with James Cook but as a huge part of it that we're not but you I'm not going to let a rush for 182 but I'm not going to let you not did not say I'm not I'm not blaming the loss on Josh Allen I don't believe that Josh Allen is the reason this team lost I don't believe that you know what the Great are the reason the team wins and for Josh Allen I don't I don't care it does not matter that he played well what matters is that he's at his house that's what matters for whatever year it is Josh Allen is at his house and we could talk about Adam vinary you can say that kickers make kicks defenses show up that's not why we give people these gold jackets and put them in different places in the Hall of Fame it's not why when it's time to present Tom Brady his presenter is going to say hey guys I present to you Tom Brady I rest my freaking case Josh Allen is an immense talent and Josh Allen will probably win a Super Bowl one day but we have to say that he's coming up short as far as it pertains to Greatness he's done every dang thing but win those things the last four losses the last four losses no but the last four losses they average given up 34 points a game and that's Josh Allen's fault like Josh this is a crazy like here here's a little number here second best TD to inter to interception ratio in the playoffs in playoff history yeah except for Patrick Mahomes right 21 and four 21 touchdowns four interceptions by the way he also gets 56 yards a game rushing like so to me the kid does everything but play damn defense and and that that to me is like that that's where I look at like guys you would have killed for this damn guy Jes Harden has hellified stats too James Harden has great a lot of great stats as well R see this is Ali Frasier and one day one day Frasier's going to land the left hook RC and he's going to beat one of these damn guys he's been knocked out the Josh Allen and the bills because we can't say that he's coming up short the bills absolutely they have lost to Kansas City three times they've been knocked out by Kansas City three times in those three games he alone is 306 yards of offense 22 to1 there is one quarterback in the history of the NFL that has had a season including the playoffs to account for 50 touchdowns and not get to the conference title game Josh Allen's done it twice twice there's no way that we could walk away from yesterday's game and sit there and say Allan came up short I will give you the third and nine I'll give you that and I'll agree with you that but he was let down he not what did you what did you you always tell me you know what when the defense came back on the field they were winning Josh Allen left the field and they was not this time this time he had the ball in his hand he had the opportunity give you that let's look at the two plays let's look at the two plays let's look at the second and nine Dan this one here is that on Allen or there is no Josh is trying to go win the football game if he throws that shallow across the step maybe he gets four or five yards Dawkins is getting pushed by Chris Jones is a great battle that's why that throw misses this is the third down now he resets to the Middle Field we're going to break this down in detail he resets ends up throwing away I'll give you that that you'd love to sit there and say get to King Kate in the slot noty that's get to King K in the slot now maybe it becomes fourth and one and fourth and two so here's the plays now watch as Steph goes in motion you're going to see there's a post by Shakir in the slot now th the the the linebacker saying push push push it he's trying to find that ball if he doesn't get pushed back there's enough ear to get that ball to Shakir again if he throws it to Steph I don't think it's a first down at all now watch cancade because he's going to peek to the bottom of the screen he's got to go route it's not there look at the slot he's maybe trying to move for Steph on the post if he gets right now to reset to concade I think it becomes a bang bang play with him in that middle linebacker Bolton of does he get the first down or not and then I think it becomes decision making time for McDermot do we go for it or not I think they would have that's the play where I'll sit there and I say he was unbelievable I think he was the best player in the field last night I need one more decision I will I I got to do my job honestly one more decision I'll give you that see the one I think the the the uh Chris Jones hits hits uh you runs into a docket you wish that Josh because I've seen it do it a million times feel the pressure a little bit buy just a little bit more Tom Brady used to do it all the time and then pow it's a touchdown like I would love to have seen him do that I think that's the one he's going to regret more than any of them and then and and and not alibiing for the guy but I wish they would have sat back and said you know what hey possible four down I think if the coach reiterates hey possible four down what I mean by it it's a third down on the play that you showed the scramble he's clearly looking for to for Touchdown there all right however if you say possible third down now I'm more likely to take that underneath and now face the fourth down because why RC we know we don't want to give Patrick Mahomes the ball with a minute 40 left no way no how so to me I'm thinking I'm not looking field goal here and neither was Josh clearly Joshua was thinking touchdown but in that situation look the worst thing happened is we can take take some money right there and then set up a fourth the F line is the the the play in the Red Zone when he scrambles to his left and has that unbelievable throwing and catch to Shakir you could sit there and say why don't you throw a check down this and that that's that's the world you live in with those guys like he's Patrick Lamar Josh that's the world you live in where you sit there and say rare super Talent unbelievable throw and it's hard to sit there and go well you should have you know because if he makes another play you you there go my gosh that play is not even human here's the thing RC I play with a guy like that like Ben Ben wasn't as talented as Josh but Ben's a Hall of Famer and we would sit on the sideline and there were some times Ben would get outside the pocket or he'd do something and we'd say well you got to live with it because we've seen him so many other times win us games in that manner the thing was and yes we were great defensively the thing was Ben One games right we're we're playing against the Baltimore Ravens yes may I you had the best defense in the whole freaking League when was winning all those games R they wouldn't have stopped Kansas City yesterday if he would put you on the Fieldy and James Harrison and all look guys something has to be said here okay I was doing talk shows after all those Brady Super Bowls do you know how many Super Bowls Brady could have won he could have won nine if Wes Welker catches one ball my husband can't throw it and catch it at the same time if David Tyree doesn't have one stick to his freaking helmet and if his defense makes one stop against the Eagles Brady threw for 500 yards his team didn't Punt and they lost and we didn't come in here the next day and say Tom Brady didn't get it done Josh Allen was brilliant yesterday his kicker missed a kick his coach ran a fake punt for no reason I can ever think of his best receiver dropped the ball that he absolutely should have caught and his defense will never if they if they were still out there now they wouldn't have stopped them Kans City would have scored a 100 points in that game if guess what guess what it was the same thing for the bills for the first three quarters the bills were going up and down the football field for the first three quarters as were the Kansas City Chiefs and when the Kansas City Chiefs finally get a stop was Patrick Mahomes on the sideline upset because mle Hardman does something that's a cardinal sin within the Red Zone which is try to reach across the goal line when you have another snap no you had to go back out and play football I'm not saying that Josh Allen is not a very talented quarterback I'm not saying that if you told me you get to go play with Josh Allen I wouldn't strap my helmet up every day and say we got a Mickey ficky chance to beat anybody because you do but when we're going to sit on here and just continue to just say Josh Allen is this Josh Allen is that Josh Allen is one of the greatest at some point you have to be great enough that when those things go wrong you find a way to win and he had the football in his hand with a chance to win and as great as he'd been the whole day when we said no we're not going to be able to turn around and hand it to four he didn't make the plays he can't kick it I agree with that but I feel like at some point we have to start asking Josh Allen when in those moments against those people and when he does we get to say all the things we want to that ain't happened yet but the down two years ago he did outside of 13 seconds yesterday what was the score that game when you walk off the field throwing a game-winning touchdown with 13 seconds left 13 seconds left that game is over so question Joe bur walked there was a line of scrimage I have a question let's say that game cuz Kansas City ain't stopped Josh them either Gabe Davis 200 plus yards were we going to come in here the next day and be like poor Patrick you scored 33 points you had all of these yards your defense no you wouldn't have you wouldn't have said that but for Josh we do but we wouldn't have said we would not have taken anything away from the greatness of his performance and that's what I'm concerned about obviously Allen's team didn't win the game obviously he didn't win the game great performance Josh but they were so Reas they lostone of them are said about pton Manning eventually I'm going to have to bring the Jersey over here smoke your stats at your house in your hook Jos all [Music] right

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Published: Mon Jan 22 2024