RSS-BJP's Fascism Experiment Will Fail Thanks to the People of India: Arundhati Roy

I tell you why it's hard to believe that we've become a fascist State because we have a government that buckles under pressure from Farmers we have a press that is sharply critical at least from some quarters of the government we have elections where the government is defeated Modi may win regularly at the national level but often at the state level he loses we have a court and a judge that often checks the government what they've done over Pegasus is one example is it really fascism I'm not saying that we have a fascist state I'm saying that the people in power are intrinsically fascist and leading Us in that direction Modi is intrinsically fascist yes and so is the RSS and the BJP as a whole yes the see the uh RSS ideologues have openly as you we as we all know admired uh musolini admired Hitler called Muslims the equivalent of the Jews of Germany all of that we know all that you know we know the Declaration of uh the idea that they want to declare uh India Hindu Nation we know the experiments with Eugenics I don't believe frankly that I I believe that they are losing their grip I don't believe that they will be able to be to succeed but I believe that this is a tunnel that we have to go through and eventually the people of this country will make it a failed experiment but let me just understand for the audience you're not saying we have become a fascist state are you saying we're in the process of becoming one we are in the process of becoming one and I would say like even two years ago we were very much in danger of that experiment being more successful than it appears to be now you know what's changed huge protests the farmos protest if you look at what's going on in up now so India is fighting back the people are fighting the people are fighting saying you're saying two slightly contradictory things where in the process of becoming a fascist state two years ago it looked as if we were more likely to become one than it does today what's changed today is that the people are fighting back the farmers in particular are fighting back no also the people who rose up against the NRC but that was 2 years ago yeah but this piece that I wrote was before that you know before those protests began so what is the situation today is today India on the way to becoming a fascist State I would say that uh I would say that you know that ideology has somehow saturated if you look at what's happening what does that mean it means that in places like up and the farmers protests they have sort of uh realized somehow that they were being played you know they were part very much part I are saying that the threat of becoming a fascist state is receding I think so it's receding I think so the situation is improving I think so I would say so so what you wrote in the Jonathan shell lecture isn't quite as true today as it was when you wrote it a year and a half ago but I think that part of part of the thing is people writers protesters activists journalists all of us are responding to this yeah are are uh recognized it spoke about it uh you know people people listened people thought about what had happened if you look at just to sum up for the audience promise then is the nature of the danger we face today are we still in danger of becoming a fascist I'll tell you what the I feel is the danger sorry did I do something to that anyway uh I think that what is dangerous is that uh we have an election Machinery that is sort of compromised we do have a very uh scattered and disparate opposition because I think in one way Federalism is coming up you know and but not answering my question are we in danger of becoming FAS just hang on so what I'm saying is that the the that that hindutva card has played itself out now

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Published: Sun Jun 16 2024