Rock is Dead? Full Film: Steve Albini Nirvana Metallica Guns N Roses KISS Greta Van Fleet Pink Floyd

[Music] [Applause] rock and roll was once the most popular genre of music in the world if you include underground music some people would argue it still is the most popular genre but when it comes to mainstream popularity EDM hip hop and pop have surpassed rock and roll if I was the biggest General of music in the world by far if you execute in today's time they'll always see a hip-hop always a spot they don't know Rock you are one of the biggest names of EDM in your mind why do you think EDM has just exploded the last 10 years or so that's very worldly because it's many times instrumental based and of course you know that connects people all around the world I would say TSO played the Olympics for a reason back in the day rock is dead that's a statement that has been repeated over and over and over again the last several years when you hear the term rock is dead what does that mean to you yeah the term rock is did I it upsets me because all of my main influences and all the music that I feel so much connection to from my from my school days and growing up you know garbage Pearl Jam Nirvana Soundgarden I don't want to think that that music is over [Applause] my name is Daniel Sarkissian I'm a 27 year old filmmaker and a couple of years ago I made a documentary called what is classic rock it's a it's a very broad term but like if you say to me what's classic about what van is classic rock I can pinpoint it to you but you know to try to describe the actual genre yeah I don't know what really classifies a band is classic rock I just know what it is you know and I think everybody's got a different viewpoint of what classic rock is tough question like what is the blues which is the classic of music what is classic rock I think he made people nervous when he said you know what do you think classic bro yeah thankfully the film was well received so to anyone who supported what is classic rock I want to say thank you it did very well and the purpose of the film essentially was to find a definition for the term classic rock at the end of the film I did have an answer but I also was left with a question why are people saying that rock is dead yeah I don't I have heard people say that rock is dead I don't I I don't buy that I mean they can't they haven't killed ska how are they gonna kill rock you know do you guys think that rock and roll can ever get to a point where it's at the top of the industry again on top of the mat means you're use it absolutely anything can and I think that's kind of division so I think it's time to make a new movie just like with what is classic rock I'm making this film entirely on my own without any film crew any funding it's just me and my love of rock and roll [Music] [Music] [Music] this is the bridge in Aberdeen Washington where according to Nirvana folklore Kurt Cobain was sleep when he was a homeless teenager according to most Nirvana biographers however Kurt Cobain didn't actually sleep here even though he did spend a lot of time underneath the bridge regardless of what Smith and what's reality this location has become one of the quintessential pilgrimage sites for Nirvana fans and while I was here I met a local man who showed me the exact location where Kurt Cobain is said to have slept [Music] [Music] that's that's what you slept over Wow so you're from Aberdeen you said right so people come here all the time is like a pilgrimage all the time matter of fact on his birth date you'll find a lot of people who come down here on his birthday on this to Nirvana were huge you know they were a worldwide phenomenon I mean I was just on vacation actually in California and I saw we saw quite a few Nirvana t-shirts still you know and it's what is it 20:19 one of the reasons that people have been saying that rock is dead is because in the past 25 years or so there have only been a handful of new rock bands to achieve massive success and one of the last truly iconic rock stars is Kurt Cobain I'm here in Seattle right now on the 25th anniversary of his passing at faretta Park there are people here from Finland Brazil Mexico Chile France Belgium all over the world here to commemorate his memory you know I think that Nirvana connected to me on a real emotional level I looked back at some of the pictures I've took it was a real real emotional release and I think Kurt and I shared some of the same experiences of dysfunctional family growing up and divorce and chronic pain you never talked about this we talked a little bit about it there were connections there and I think that's the lasting whatwhat is lasting about Kurt and his legacy is that is that emotional connection the first time I actually met Kurt was um Krist Novoselic and Tracy and Bruce Babbitt came by my apartment and belt him and picked me up and oh and Kurt was there and Chad Channing was the drummer then we drove down to to come on took photos at the Tacoma Narrows Bridge so anyways that was the first day I met her we were friends we had a lot in common like he was pretty sensitive what I would say just having been his friend and having been in that scene is I would think that he would be kind of embarrassed about all the sort of deification that's happened to him because I think he just felt like a human you know like a kind hard-working passionate human that's her baby so how long did a Kurt live here like how old was he you broke his arm once what happened there we're farting how Jason suiting him up with my feet up in the air I'm a little too high he came down on the very first day at the studio someone came in with a manila envelope full of legal documents that they all had to sign this is a lawsuit where somebody had a band called Nirvana and he wants to get paid off because your band is called Nirvana okay here fine this is so they can use a photograph of you on a magazine cover to promote this thing okay whatever [Music] beginning in the late 1880s phonograph records of musical performances became commercially available to the public combined with the widespread usage of radio broadcasting starting in the 1920s the music industry entered a new era thus the record labels the companies who published manufactured and distributed recorded music to the radio broadcasters they became the most powerful entities in the music industry [Music] [Applause] this is the location of the first ever music billboard on August 18th 1966 the doors signed with Elektra Records and for the next several months preparations began for the doors first album on January 4th 1967 The Doors self-titled debut record was released JAC Holzman president of Elektra Records decided to have a billboard of the doors placed by the Chateau madam on Holzman believed that local DJ's would notice the sign on their way to the Sunset Strip just down the road some of the most famous clubs in Los Angeles are located at the Sunset Strip including the whisky a go-go the venue where the doors used to be the house band since then billboards have become a standard practice in the music business [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] the 60s and 70s are largely known for experimental music the 80s are largely known for music videos with the introduction of music videos the biggest change is that it all came became very quickly about image on August 1st 1981 MTV was launched all shirring in the age of music videos I worked for a record company and at that time and we would go out look for bands instead of the questions being about well how did they sound or what was their writing like or was it was like well what they look like and how that was immediately something that became a huge thing because what people realized was pretty quickly it was like hey if they don't have songs well we can get them some songs if they can't play that well oh we can use some session guys in the studio to make the record so that became a big thing it's like well but if we got you know guys that are great performers and look great we can build every we can fix everything else around it I think one of the things that's happened to music as as as time has gone on and as we've gotten you know headed towards the end of the 20th century and coming into the 21st one of the things that happened is you know that that the musical side of things became somewhat diluted and I hesitate to say this but I don't want to I can't blame anyone thing but MTV didn't help that much because it put more of an emphasis on how somebody looks or what's the video like and how is it presented and how does it how does it look how does that music look so the visual of what MTV did and how how impactfully that sold records which I witnessed firsthand is something that completely turned the industry on its head by the mid to late 80s a new musical movement was starting to develop in Seattle a movement which was partly in reaction against the MTV image first kind of music that was being put out there this movement was grunge and one of the people at the center of this movement was producer Jack Endino well I felt like I was right in the middle of a sort of a little Renaissance of rock that was going on here in Seattle you know I was right in the engine room as it were and I don't think anyone expected I don't think any of us expected that you know four or five Seattle bands would suddenly be you know up in the upper reaches of the Billboard album charts you know by 1991 1982 the beauty of what happened in the northwest was we were isolated so you know if everyone would have been trying to get a record label in Los Angeles when they were first starting out maybe they would have been more homogeneous but here everybody got to do their own thing because it was a punk rock standard there was a brief period there have been several brief periods were different idiomatic elements of the underground or the legitimate music scene have been brought to the surface and have been sort of skimmed by that industry the mainstream industry and that sort of culminated with Nirvana becoming the biggest band in the world when they became successful - on an international scale became a huge phenomenon than that sort of started a feeding frenzy with the big record labels where the big record labels were trying to find a other like unpolished to gems and the underground music scene that they could turn into commodities like that I was doing pretty well on account of all the records I had done from the grunge era meaning the Mudhoney records the Tad's records the Soundgarden record the bleach record has had somewhat of a reappraisal I've heard rumors that you were considered to work on in utero is this true you know there were rumors about it but I never heard anything directly from the band and in fact the first time I talked to Kurt about it he told me that he was planning on recording with Steve Albini so I thought well that puts that to rest your mana were we're peers we were sort of of the same scene they they were in an unusual circumstance and that they had gotten famous you know but I still considered them peers I considered considered them part of the same circle that we had all grown up in so working with the Nirvana was not intimidating in that respect the the pressure that they were under like was it was immediately apparent to me that they were in a different world in that regard when you recorded in utero back in 1993 what exactly was the issue with Nirvana's label long story short the band recorded the album in utero by hiring me directly so I was never contractually bound to their record company in any way that was a break in the paradigm of the way record companies wanted to do business record companies wanted to be the responsible party so that they could exert control over situations by withholding payment or demanding things or you know if your business depends on you exerting control over the people you work with and one of those people has a successful record that doesn't obey that protocol it's a dangerous precedent I immediately started getting calls from journalists who were getting leaks from the record company and one of those phone conversations was I just got off the phone with Gary Gersh he says he can't release the new Nirvana album and it's your fault would you like to comment yeah there was an effort to shut down that record and make the band do it again the band dug in their heels to an extent they said no this is the record we like the record we want to release it there were two or three songs that were remixed but the record that ended up in the stores is the record the band wanted people to hear and they released a record that they were proud of well it was I mean at the time I was he was the early 90s and I was when when I went it was going in high school I was 14 so Nirvana was massive at the time they I think they just come out with the in utero that was the first real style of music I really got into because it was so influential back then and you know it was a different thing than today that's another thing about today's you don't get these bands like Nirvana where everyone starts dressing like them you know everyone's seen as Nirvana came out everyone had to have like the blonde hair down to the shoulders plaid this whole thing it was like a whole movement of not just like I love this band but I want to look like this band do you think that's possible anymore with the internet no everything's so dispersed I don't see it anymore like do you still get like your punks and your you know your Goths and like your metal guys and they all kind of look you can cut it all out that guy's listens to having metal by the way dresses but you don't really get this thing of like a person looking like a band like you know like everyone looked like Kurt Cobain at my school yeah there's a lot of people that had their hair long and wore red plaid and ripped jeans and you know and they everyone for trying to look like Kurt Cobain and I don't I don't really see that anymore for the better part of 70 years or whatever there was a music business that was essentially the record business so the record business model meant that there was a kind of a singular thrust to the industry and so you had phenomenon bands massive artists who put out many albums and all of them were heard by everybody essentially right that's gone there is no singular focus on selling records now so there isn't a singular industry that is promoting things in the same way now you have just like YouTube and Spotify and all these streaming things Apple music and all this stuff how are you gonna get someone to be like here's this new thing everyone loved it after around the year 2000 and now this is this is I have to point this out sure I had made you know probably a couple hundred records already by the time the year 2000 came about and 97% of everything I recorded period everything got released by some indie labels somewhere during that period I'm just as busy as ever but now it's like you know 5% of the records I do come out on any sort of indie label come the 2000s and the internet came all that started to go away exponentially so it was like every couple of years the sales halved and they have and have and that's just for me that was the same for literally everybody other than maybe Michael Jackson if you were coming out today would you approach things differently than you did in the late 90s early 2000s hard to say and I think you know when we were coming up we were pretty like we were doing YouTube stuff before YouTube like we're planting our power thing right yeah like we had but we'd have to go to like the you know we have to get these VHS tapes printed up and carry boxes and VHS tapes to our show and you know hand out hand them out and Warped Tour and all this stuff so if there was YouTube back then it would have been so much easier the thing is you know we were a big radio band back then and radio there's not as many rock radio stations in general anymore and you know it's it's almost become I don't want to say irrelevant but in a way it kind of has because you know with streaming services and stuff like that it's not radio doesn't dictate what's big anymore and they used to like MTV and radio was like if you got on those things you're and you were you know number one on rock radio you were probably gonna do pretty well I think it's really unlikely that there will be a single sort of generational artist in the way that there was with someone like Frank Sinatra or the Beatles you know I wouldn't even talk about the Beatles I'll talk let's go to the 80s talking about you to Metallica Guns and Roses they were selling millions and millions and millions of records it that doesn't happen anymore you know you had thousands of bands selling millions of Records now you have millions of bands selling thousands of Records I think unless you're one of the top rock bands in the world that can survive just through shows there's no record sales there to sustain bands that want to just keep touring it's just the love of it so really you have to make your money out of touring now if you're going to be making music and you're doing that as a main source of your income you have to be making the money from touring I'll burn and check can I get you guys to show me a little bit of the through bus sure nothing cool it's fairly luxurious it's one of our bunk mates came up you're on camera I saw you guys have a Playstation I guess gamers three Playstations and what do you play oh man let's see Red Dead Redemption - that games everywhere God of War that happened last night I didn't know you guys played ever that's about it so far winter tours there's more gaming than summer tour summer tour you go outside when it's negative yeah well you're winter in Canada yeah so what's behind door number one yes pretty good of course is where you guys sleep when you sleep on the bus all the bumps are right next to each other yeah when you were all in bed it feels like often times you're camping and you just and as long as you look at it not like you're camping but in the sense with that same viewpoint it's it's just like your home that's how you make it at home yeah that's the goal we're making home we're on the road 11 months out of the years yeah everything that you can do to make it more enjoyable you have to is there another energy of the vacuum [Music] here's that's pretty much it it's like the size of a small studio apartment we've got 12 people living on that Christmas who's the best Mortal Kombat player that's important Kenny says he is well I used to play a lot when I was 11 okay and I haven't played since then but I think the muscle memory is there so I would assume that I'm the best I don't actually know but I would assume it on the baby so it's like the financial structure the economics of the music business have changed there are less people investing their time towards being in a band because it's more financially practical to approach being a solo artist the money and music just disappeared once all the major labels started to kind of condense um the money for show you is just wasn't enough to support bands that have got six or seven people touring and a sound guy so it's just yeah it's not kind of viable part of the reason we switched over to electronic music is because the rock scene was not as prominent does that one yeah yeah definitely you were in a band with your brother at one point time yeah your family oh it's it's great you know I mean it's a double-edged sword of course we can find a lot and have you know have our arguments but with family you always you always can trust the other person we know what each other is thinking without having to say it if I write an idea that I know whether he likes it or not immediately because we've always written together um also there's no there's no pleasantries there you know if one of us writes an idea the other doesn't like it's you know you don't you can just cut through all of that and get to the point so it's great it's we've always worked really really well together and now my brother is the more organized of us and I get to tour and do and do this side of things while he takes care of the business side so it's very symbiotic what is the reality of life on the road like well life on the road is obviously not as glorious as people think okay and it's all relative to what you do what's going on you know obviously my kiss years where everything was first class as convenient as possible was less difficult than you know you got a fan and a trailer and you got to drive the night after the gig you know to get to the next gig it's the most consistently inconsistent job in the entire world you never know what the next day is going to be for example tonight we're gonna leave at 10:00 p.m. and we're gonna go from here in Toronto to New York City we're gonna do the same thing where we do about six hours of press go home for four days which is probably the four days out of the four weeks of the year that we're gonna be home what are the realities of being famous that's fun ha ha you're a lot away from home and you don't have routine I think routine is one thing that gets difficult it's difficult being on the road without her it's hard to build a routine or like you're in different time shows it's like all over the place this one I did tour with this one for all killer and I think for the beginning of this look infected and then yeah I started using it on every album tour around the world I mean we've played in all the biggest festivals around the world you know Japan summer sonic and you know Jeremy's rock am ring rock and park and there's Download Festival UK we've all these big rock festivals and they are still like rock festivals like it that's what I really don't think rock is actually dead because if you get these festivals in Europe and they're bringing sixty to a hundred thousand people there's no way that you could say Rock is dead because if that many people want to see it it's obviously alive and well every once in a while my friends and I go to big rock festivals and we have an amazing time there are thousands and thousands of people gathered together simply to enjoy rock and roll so how could Rock be dead attention to stage Center [Music] [Music] I've said this before it may be slightly unpopular but to me like it's like the festival the music festival has been the death knell of rock-and-roll really you think so yeah because it used to be you had to create a scene with clubs and I think this you know you didn't just get to go to an all-day thing it's really about the experience of the festival it's not necessarily about the music it's more of a just a Spring Break commodification kind of thing versus like oh wow I'm going because this band is going to change the world you know I think maybe people also think rock is dead because it's harder for new rock bands to become big if you are from about ten years going on and you came up or even 15 and you came up in the world of when record labels had thought money and they were giving big budgets and big you know hundreds of thousands of dollars for music videos and stuff like that then I think you know your and you came up in that era and were able to be successful then you're probably so successful now but from about two thousand nine oh eight nine ten on it's become really hard for a rock bands to become because they don't have the budgets anymore they don't have to promote they don't have the marketing money it's like all self promotion now what's the importance if there is an importance of community amongst bands yeah I think I think it is important like because you get especially for older bands to help our young bands because it is really hard for young bands to to break nowadays so you need to for if you're an established older band and you can go on these good tours and bring a good crowd I think it's important to be able to bring these young bands and you know to give them years to play in front of [Music] [Applause] [Music] you've been in this business for a long time what's the craziest thing that's happened to you what's something you may not be aware was I was actually shot a bullet went through my leg on Sunset Boulevard years ago see then you know former kiss guitarist bruce kulick shot on Sunset Boulevard you know suffered gunshot wounds okay you know they were actually kind of ricochets of bullets from someone shooting up the street and then I went out and it felt like a hot poker went through my leg and I kind of went in shock pretty quickly but I I was a little like what's going on you know it was like very surreal the other woman actually delays my ear people would say like Oh ma'am you were in the wrong place wrong time no I was really actually in the right place at the right time why do you feel that one because two inches I would have been dead or crippled do you believe in God I believe in God and in my own ways I think it has to be very specific for everyone you could say your fate and what determines fate these are things all go on about that for hours oh yeah and it's the same thing with my fate as a musician though you know the tied into that I had a great opportunity that I was professional enough and ready for to be the guitar was the kiss and my symphonies to warm up this wood is from 1965 so it's light it's seen some some stuff that's really cool are you taking out on to her with you I don't know how do you balance being in a huge band and also having a family life it's a while it's new to me because while my son's 3 everyone's conscious of you know kids and stuff now so you know flying them out you don't see what the internet now like facetimes a big thing so it's just kind of stuff like that and just making sure like you know tours don't run excessively long however your lives changed since becoming famous I think we ever knew that we had so many friends before before we started doing this wasn't it's a little bit draining to know that it's not that a little bit draining to have people gravitate towards you not because of who you are about what you are the perception of what we do is totally off from what the reality is what is the reality of I'm yes well the reality is some days you're how do I put it some days you're the literally jet skiing middle east and some days you're eating cold ramen noodles from a hotel bathroom at the time of this recording you guys have well over a hundred and forty five million YouTube hits those going viral on YouTube automatically translated to financial success what's the reality of being viral if you break down what YouTube pays out per view and then you put that through a record company deal percentage deal that we're getting is you know those numbers look very good when you see a hundred million all go home with fractions of the SATs fractions and getting paid rakh as a business is going through the toughest times it's ever been through you know our artists and musicians have to think of new ways to make a living is this the Internet's fault yeah it is it is I think you know obviously when Napster came around in the late 90s early 2000s there was a big stink about it from your vantage point as a musician what was it like experiencing the whole Napster Sega unfold uh it was scary at first because you you know everybody saw the decline of the physical sales and it I always was leery about it because even if I wanted to download stuff I wouldn't but the whole virus thing back then you go in a lot of these sites and you get a virus and when you're gonna just spend ten bucks and bought the record you know what are your thoughts on internet piracy I've said publicly that I reject the term piracy people listening to music is people listening to music it's not piracy they're not stealing anything they're not taking anything they're not damaging an asset they're listening to music if anything they're broadening the audience for it and the people who make the music if they're savvy will find out ways to exploit that newly broadened audience so I can see why Steve Albini would say that because the cost of getting your music out is now almost zero but actually getting people to listen to it in the sea of data that we're you know confronted with on the internet that's really the tricky art the hard part people that actually literally just take the music for free I mean that that's that's what's killed the industry I mean that's you know there's like I said when I was coming out with Dream Theater back thirty years ago in the mid eighties you know you you know you sell a million records then nowadays and brand-new band will come out and sell 500 units like internet piracy how has that affected your career this is the best thing ever in what sense why no I think it's really good because you know I want to get the content people if you would tell me my record would sell a million copies legally or a billion illegally give me a billion illegally listen the cops are gonna see that so please okay fantastic go my music if your goal is to just get your music heard well then you know you have greater outlets than ever before so in that respect it's the internet's been a great thing there are players like Spotify and YouTube and VanCamp that have an extraordinary reach and influence in the same way that MTV and much music and the you know the corporate radio station networks did used to have and will radio even be around in 20 years I mean maybe there won't be radio and maybe suck in a matter you're gonna just have your own little private streaming device to play for you whatever you want you're not gonna have to rely on someone else's determination of what they may consider the music that you think you're supposed to like not a lot of money changes hands and that is the thing that the people the remnants of the old music industry the sort of dinosaurs that rail against how terribly the Internet is those people are bemoaning the fact that people can now indulge their music interests for free you can't separate piracy anymore from just the way the internet works which is it's digital you know it's coming from a server to your computer that's a copy and one other thing that people forget about the the era before the internet is you couldn't actually make a copy of anything you couldn't do a safety copy you could make a safety copy by copying from a tape to another tape however the backup tape would have twice as much tape hiss and it would not sound exactly the same as the original tape you literally couldn't make an exact backup of anything before the digital world digital data is infinitely copyable and that the way the internet works can't really be put back in the bottle of course people are gonna listen to music for free why would people pay for things that they can get free there is no argument for it the the the residual music industry wants to sort of guilt-trip the entire universe into giving them money just because they were used to being paid for something and it's absurd I 100% agree that piracy has actually helped some artists in fact that now you can make money from touring it's just changed the way you have to flip the way that you look at it so that's why I change to electronic music as opposed to rock music because yeah we weren't selling albums at the band but I realized that okay if I can put electronic music out there and have people in Egypt or Amsterdam or anywhere in the world watching it on YouTube then there's the opportunity to tour to these places so instead of selling albums you're selling tickets there are thousands of stories like that like bands discovering that they have a following in a distant place and then going there and being like welcomed like heroes bands whose careers in a in an active sense we're relatively short are seeing their recordings survive and get disseminated and their audience grow and they're following grow such that a band that has been defunct for 20 or 30 years can often now mount a successful reunion tour because their music has been able to percolate out into an audience that would support it whereas previously when it was kept at bay by the gatekeepers of the radio stations and the record stores and the professional music industry though their music could never break through that their music could never get into the hands of people who would like it and now it can we saw last a show on Friday but this is like New York a place where I haven't done any like marketing whatsoever but people follow you know people are very particular but of course the internet plays a very big role you know internet changed the business in your opinion it has changed the business for the better you can be any way in the world as long as you're releasing the music to the net alone as long as you're telling the story as long as you're feeding the people the right message is about you that will catch it black coffee is the biggest DJ from South Africa I discovered him through the internet because of the internet I've discovered artists that otherwise I may not have been able to I think that piracy has helped a lot of artists that would like myself really that in dance music I wouldn't have ever been able to tour the Middle East or Amsterdam or all of these countries that I going to all the time now because I have songs that people watch on YouTube but can find your music for free which is amazing if says someone has more money I'm pleased if the person can have my music for free why not if you use internet right you if you filter the good informations you really want to know if you're not lost that it's perfect I changed the world and I'm very thankful for that Ellen is one of the biggest DJs from Germany she's also someone that I discovered online social media is a fantastic tool but in my opinion social media is also one of the main reasons why a lot of music today has become very hollow a lot of music that's released today you can tell immediately it's created simply for mass consumption it's not created really for an artistic expression of the artist if you're looking at this straightly as a business and you just want to do it as a business and make money think hey that's awesome good for you but that's not being an artist yeah totally I think that is this completely distorts the image of what art is and I think people are so caught up and you know I think what was so cool about rock and roll is it back then it was kind of social media there was no you know easy form of communication yet to travel and here to meet people when you had to get to embrace it this is totally back and forth I would say with social media as far as it goes I mean maybe I'm probably not us for me I feel like on the one hand social medias cool cause you get to see what your favorite band is doing on the other hand there's this one musician I really liked and when I learned yet Instagram the mysteries gone yeah I know what you're doing every day you know for us it was like the punk scene was mysterious you couldn't just go Google like oh see all of the top of the pops until you like vomited no it was like wow too somebody's got like this VHS of like some British Punk stuff and you watch it on the TV going like this you know we live in living in an age of hyperinflation with the internet where everything is available on your iPod 24 hours a day and people are flooding themselves with all this kind of stuff and when I was young it was not so you know we had maybe a cassette recorder we could maybe have our favorite songs but it was much more a touchy-feely thing a song back then or now meant a lot more you know nowadays the stupidest just so fast I always like to talk about how Nirvana and the grunge movement was the last big music music movement pre-internet pre kind of the digital information age you know everything suddenly just centralized instead of like that it took a lot of that kind of the mystery out of it what do you think about that like specifically the mystery part of music is it disappearing yes you know that of course I mean if you mean the mystery of the artists as such some artists have very pronounced feelings about that we live in a very voyeuristic society today where a value is placed on overexposing everything about your life online and in terms of music one of the interesting reactions that has happened to this digitization of music is the increase in vinyl record sales vinyl records have actually been doing quite well the last several years look at the resurgence of vinyl as a format which find his extraordinary I couldn't personally wait for vinyl to disappear and for CDs to arrive because I'm such an audiophile but to me it it's a sign that people especially kids are in need of something real something physical vinyl pin being up there as a format it's incredible I would never believe vinyl would come back but it has you know on this I mean uh no 17 year old kids were buying septum 2 and deep purpley rock and Pink Floyd the wall for massively inflated prices but they're buying them because they want they'd still don't because they want something physical they want artwork all the stuff that we loved when we were kids to me it's it's a natural not progression it's a natural return I think it's like it's like with all foods it's like with proper food people want to be nourished by the real thing [Music] there's still to me there's nothing better than standing in front of a band like being consumed in the experience and find the vinyl behind CD those CDs are probably gonna be gone and you know coming years but just holding the music and letting it being like a tangible thing so but you know social media has its pros and cons you know it's it's not the 70s anymore so we kind of have to stay with the times does the social media culture miss portray what it means to be a musician that's an absolutely critical and perfect question on modern music again Facebook social media gives people the illusion that they're famous it's the it's kind of very under wall you know people think that because they've got lots of people telling them how good they are that they're actually the success as a musician you can be very very good at something whether you're popular or not has nothing to do with whether you're very good at what you do or whether you're making validated you know art there is nothing wrong with trying to get a big following but I would encourage people to try to get a following by putting out content that actually genuinely means something to them I find it very disheartening when I see young people particularly who they are willing to essentially strip away anything unique about themselves and just create an image online of whatever it is that will get them the most likes and the most followers social media literally conditions us to crave the approval of other people in the real danger it's not just a danger it's happening is that quite a few kids end up being suicidal because they lose the capacity to really interact with people on the one-to-one level they have all these friends on Facebook and of course most of them are not real friends it's just a make-believe or very very superficial kind of thing I'm not saying that it's not possible to become friends on Facebook or so and Facebook has some very strong points when it comes to family integration and communication absolutely I am for that you know but some people will display the entire life on Facebook from what kind of pizza they eat what kind of shampoo their buyer so and for some people that is cool but this is not for me everyone just cares about like getting so many likes and only cares about like instant gratification and also you can't say any criticisms because criticisms are considered abusive now so you have to like everything and give positive feedback for everything they do and I think sometimes with creativity a person needs to work through it if you like promote every single thing you do the very first time you do it and you don't spend any time working on it you're always going to be a you know hobby level you're never going to be at genius level work at it you need to make it long-term you know I mean I didn't do my first real photography book until like 17 years after the first image in the book I mean it takes takes a while you have to let stuff percolate too I mean of course you want to keep your presence out there but I often like I've got some personal projects going and and I don't necessarily post the best stuff on there because I want to reserve stuff for print for a show or a book or whatever and then you put that stuff out there when you're taking these photos do you ever stop to think wow this is a special moment or do you not think that when you're shooting you when you're shoot when you're in the middle of shooting you often have a sense that this was a great moment you know I mean of course in the film days you took you could take you a day or a week or whatever to find out if that was true even if your lighting was right now you kind of have instant gratification speaking of which there's this is a very famous Creek fold over yeah so this is Kurt on his shoulders at the at the Commodore Ballroom in Vancouver and I mean I had a when I took this shot I knew there was something there I had that that moment that like tingle up the spine and then you just keep you keep going and then but when I went to develop the film I went straight I knew that there was something there so he yeah he did a somersault essentially what did he think in the photo well you know they liked it and if they put the back of the smells like teen spirit single so really yeah so when smells like teen spirit hit big how did that affect the Nirvana and by exciting the scene here well you know I mean it it just brought in a lot of work and you know some heartache of course and you know we were in our 20s it just kind of kept chugging along I mean Nirvana were out of town the band start being out of town a lot more did you guys realize it was something special when it blew up or not to later on well I mean we knew there was something going on but we just figured it would just collapse at any minute or you know years from now it would just be you know a few a few record collectors that would remember it all but really yeah I just they didn't have didn't understand that it would have some sort of longevity or fit in with the history of music this was that Motorsports garage which was like a big show the first show when they did when all these photographers came from England right when grunge broke in England part of why Kurt and Nirvana was so great was cuz he was a lonely kid and he sat at home in his room and spent hour after hour after hour playing guitar what I've noticed recently with because I work with a bunch of younger people recently and a lot of them are in bands some of them have the attitude we learned a song we made a video it's on YouTube now we're rock stars you know it's like wait you barely even can play that song so I think they're getting a different kind of attention like by doing the instant gratification video then they get everyone in their own pair group to like them and maybe people with that mindset but if they're trying to impress other people outside of their specific peer group they would do better to make something that had more of a complete vision in it and I think that that kind of art and music takes time for me I feel like a lot of people today think to be successful as a musician or as a filmmaker you just having a lot of Instagram followers yeah everyone it's all smoke and mirrors what are your thoughts on mainstream pop music today that's a good question I really I really don't know I I never really listened to newer music until Kirsten and I were on the game show this species name show and I had to listen to all this new music and I was like everything really sounds the same even like the bigger time I don't know I don't even know what you call them now like the genre I kind of call them hipster music what do you feel like positive today yeah it's a tough it's that's a tough question really too because I mean some pop music obviously it's popular music it's very catchy so I I definitely love a good pop song when I hear it and I can appreciate how well it's it's written and the craft that goes into it but yeah there is a lot of that manufactured kind of element to it as well I do tend to gravitate more towards the artists that I know are writing their own music and the ones that are actually responsible for creating their own Lee mentioned and doing the hard yards themselves I think you can think you really hear that you can hear if somebody's put their own spirit into what they're singing or not [Applause] [Music] you know a lot of people on one hand will go pop music is popular music and then there's the other sort of like idea behind pop music which is this is contrived this is made for radio this is made for success this is made for it's made to fit into a mold and that's everything that rock and roll is not about rock and roll is about breaking the mold about being free about being spontaneous [Music] [Applause] thank you very much I I just tried a virtual reality headset the other day really and I had this like thought of wow man if it keeps going pretty soon people will be able to just put on virtual reality headsets well I heard they're developing a Virtual Reality Freddie Mercury I just met somebody recently who told me that the hologram technology is becoming very popular you saw Tupac could shell a few years ago a virtual hologram of Tupac I know for a fact that's being looked at and considered for development for iconic rock artists so these guys will live on forever what you're seeing now is artists trying to find a way to live forever because what they're finding is that the brand is bigger than the band the brand is bigger than the band more so than ever before musicians are able to support themselves and make a good living by being in cover bands and touring all over the world which to me really emphasizes the notion that for musicians today the bulk of the money is in live shows and touring so I'm hearing the reception for sunset sound in Los Angeles this is one of the most influential recording studios ever period so right now we're going to go into one the studios itself so let's go check it out so what is this room exactly so this is where primarily the leak into the so cool so here would be like the vocals and then over there is the band right and then in that room that's where I guess the producers would be yep engineering system yeah that's awesome where happen thanks love show me yeah [Music] can you tell if someone has recorded themselves in a professional studio or if they've just done it in their basement and had it makes professional because Studios because the crucial piece of gear is the guy doing it hmm that's the crucial piece of equipment is the ears of the person doing the job so the studio itself doesn't matter it's more candidio facilitates doing a good job but that's not all you need you need somebody who actually knows what they're doing and has some sympathy with the music and knows how to use the equipment and not be used by the equipment mm-hmm what advice would you give this someone then like let's say if they can't afford a studio and they just do it by themselves I encourage that you know soundproof your basement spend 600 bucks on Pro Tools get a good computer get an interface get half a dozen microphones and just start recording yourself that's what I did you know your mileage may vary so you can do amazing recordings on your own if you have like a good like a good preamp and you know what a good sound is because it's not rocket science I mean it's you get a good sound at the source you put the mic in the right place and you record it and then it's about can you do a good performance even go back to recording you know my problem with like the newer albums and stuff is that they create this great release but they can't play it live because it's so polished it does it's not raw and yeah it's just you know the essence of what it is to be in the bank kind of gets lost and the release is that all these people put out good music is imperfect that's just that is okay it's come to matter and I think that best things of music are mistakes their Italian is not perfect just human so in terms of making pocket music my big issue is auto-tune you guys are actually playing your instruments you guys are after singing how do you feel when you hear that stuff on the radio well it's I don't want to say offended but because you know we want to respect all kinds of music you know whatever it is be diplomatic but it's like when I hear a pop song on the radio everything is absolutely spot-on the drums are wrong it's happy to beat every note right there rock is a different aesthetic and at times it becomes popular usually when there's a rock band that's very good at writing a pop song which was wonderful on it did you know I mean people still want verses and choruses and bridges and hooks Guns and Roses pop songs Jane's Addiction pop songs Pearl Jam you know their hits the big hits they've had their they're written as pop songs well I find that pop has a connotation to it though in a sense of like like those maybe pops like influence with rock and roll but there's they're still playing they're incidents are still really singing I feel like when people think of pop is it today it's more like the auto-tune kind of stuff it is it's more the common kind of pop music that the rules the charts and that the major labels are more interested in promoting and signing is manufactured for the most part you can hear the auto-tune you can hear the drum machine I can hear the fact that it was all done on a grid and it's a completely alien aesthetic from the way I make recordings and that's kind of what I think of when I think of Instagram you know is that sort of surface perfection its Hollow it doesn't make you feel good about yourself a lot of people that you meet like that are more insecure than ever because they have to make sure no one ever sees their humanity or their flaws or their imperfections and to me that's what I love about people are their imperfections I mean in my photography that's what I look for is that shared human humanity you know because that is our human imperfections and to me that's what I care about good music is imperfect and that's just that is okay it's a matter and I think that the best things in music are mistakes they're not perfect just human yeah this is human the great songs in the past few years have been like like Adele like some of some of those songs she goes in that top register and I must bring sound oh yeah her voice will crack and you know that song yes taste that's of humans like hozier yeah just like instruments you know human I feel like one of the things about rock'n'roll that makes it so awesome is that human mistake element that's what I like about it you know and when you go to a concert when I go to a concert I hear that mistake I like it like I think I think it's great like I want to hear the mistakes there is a kind of an appeal to authenticity for people who cling to rock music right like that that dude is actually drumming that dude is actually playing the guitar and you can't fake virtuosity there is always a professional tier of musicians like people who are insubstantial as artists and who don't have any closely held beliefs and don't have a core set of ideas that they're committing to as artists there are always going to be people like that that the professional mainstream music business can fashion into figureheads and exploit I think that dismissing an era of music as being a superficial era or being a an insubstantial era mistakes this mainstream tear of fluff for the whole of music when in in reality the whole of music is extremely deep and as you get deeper into your particular tastes you find more and more value in it more and more of interest I cannot take seriously the idea that music is now not good or that music is now not serious or not substantial or that the there are not people trying to express themselves because I see them every day that is my that is my entire client base I would have closed up shop a long time ago if that if those people didn't exist it's awesome thank you look at that yeah yeah how high these ceilings I'm not exactly sure do you know if the acoustics in this room have been pretty much the same oh yeah everything's I think even the really nothing basketball that that's three yeah that's the Purple Rain room but you might need it and we're back to studio one I think because of the ease and the speed at which were able to produce things today we've in a sense forgotten the arts of patience you know taking your time with something letting it grow and develop all the great bands like for example Led Zeppelin and stairway to heaven when stairway to heaven first came out it was not really like people weren't blown away by his name with Bohemian Rhapsody you know but these songs have stood the test of time and they've become legendary but that one was not critically acclaimed okay fans welcome we know that changed yeah and and music you know some of the most popular bands lots of times with just like the one I'm connected to kiss was never really liked by many of the critics too in 1991 Metallica released their monstrously successful black album [Music] when Metallica first released the Black Album they got a lot of criticism a lot of people within the metal community said that they had sold out that they had gone to commercial they've abandoned their metal roots so to speak where do you draw the line between selling out and expressing yourself artistically if you are a struggling musician and you're trying to make money to support yourself in that case do what you have to do a lot of people are pointing at the fact that Metallica are not struggling they were not struggling at the time so why did they have to change why did they have to go go more commercial is going commercial necessarily selling out I don't think so I think you can tell clearly when someone's totally abandon their artistic integrity and they're just doing it for money so where is the line between selling out and being an artist and growing where is that line a sell out to me would be doing something you don't want to do just for money that means you're selling out of what do you want to do you're doing this other thing because you just want to make money you don't want to do it but you're gonna do it because you want to make money so I'm pretty sure you know watching Canaries on Metallica in the blackout and they wanted to do that record so I wouldn't I would never call you taco cell it's for doing the Black Album I think it also just comes from people just preferred master puppets or you know and justice for all obviously Metallica transcended at all but they didn't even make their first video until the unjustice record the folklore about them the the people tell their friends and their kids and it just the this the legend grows do you think that rock could ever come back into the mainstream or is it still gonna be a huge thing but just on the outskirts I think it still isn't the mainstream it's just not in the mainstream on the radio like I still think I bet you if you look at Spotify statistics I bet you there's millions and millions of people streaming hard rock heavy metal songs punk songs on Spotify right now so I think it's super popular I just don't think that people here if they switch on the radio as much and so that's I don't think radio it dictates the mainstream anymore I don't think there's anyone mainstream at the moment you know there's always going to be like a superficial pop music idiom there will always be that tier of music of insubstantial nonsensical content free pop music right there is also always a tier of dedicated committed artists who are doing things to satisfy their creative impulse and for whom the music means the world right there will always be interesting rock bands they may not be elevated to that pop star status ever again but that doesn't particularly bother me because that's not the only way to find music if I may ask is it a different approach when you're working with someone like let's say a Robert Plant compared to like the indie artists you work with you approach things differently I believe that I give everybody the same degree of credit and I take everybody's music seriously so if I'm working with somebody who has notoriety then there might be more pressure on them they might have some expectations in terms of my deference and I don't want to insult somebody by not deferential for example so when I was working with Jimmy Page and Robert Plant obviously I'm working with people of extraordinary stature with a lot of experience so I feel like I have to treat them with a degree of deference that that pays respect to their experience and their expectations there's no question that there's still artists to come around that can move the needle they'll always be an outlet for you know musicians or artists that do things that are extreme to really excite people yeah that'll never change in terms of young new rock bands one that's been getting a lot of attention in particular is Greta Van Fleet [Applause] [Music] I always say that if people are giving us the responsibility we'll take it and I think that's really all there is to it we just want to play music we want to make music that we want to ourselves yeah it's I mean we've been we've been doing it up to this point I can't imagine what it would take to actually the terrorists from that you know so I guess I guess the answers we'll find out yeah it's why we all started doing it we were absolutely a garage band the reason we were garage bands because we loved to play together and we love to play music and as long as you hold onto that you couldn't be you know you find yourself not getting nervous because you know you're just doing what you love to do and it's truly natural at that point you know a lot of these issues just are eliminated if there's one thing like you guys either positioners people that you want the world to know but people haven't really talked about yet what is it about you and it was a curveball quite explain Taggart bone for the future I think um I think Greta Van Fleet stands for a lot more than just just music and I I think it's beyond me I think it's beyond any of us I think it's all of us together and I think it's all the people who you know the fans I think when you combine all the factors there's a there's a certain sense of love and unity whether it be you know headline show or whatever it is I think in that room or that stage that sound that everything the sign it just rises up and I think people kind of make this orb of love and I think that's what we need right now a lot of us are taking a lot of the influences that we had from rock music and incorporating it into electronic music now a lot of people are starting to add a lot of live instruments and things to electronic music now too and I feel like maybe that's not the rock you know more seppuku stick but a like ed sheeran in a way is still like with a guitar based music and there's still one of the biggest songs in the world you know and they give like Dean Lewis and Alec Benjamin right now that also like guitar based bamboo sort of band based music you were telling me earlier that you're a fan of Jimi Hendrix has Jimi Hendrix influenced you in any way Jimi Hendrix the thing that made Jimi Hendrix Jimi Hendrix's is his whole style his fashion approaches just edgy like Jimi Hendrix is the way home looking at the camera you know is this his show well he got on stage it was his show so a lot like when I see artists like Jimi Hendrix and Elvis's and B who's in pop like people like that you see them touch stages they own it and that's that's what I cry from legends like Jimi Angeles on the stage do you think there could ever be a new rock and roll artist that gets to the level of Jimi Hendrix or are those days over I can't say that rock Nimmo music don't never die listen now it definitely always smiles bigger than definitely why do you think people are saying rock is dead I I think that the whole that started when people started realizing that rock is fallen from the forefront and it's like for a time like rock rock and roll is everything that anybody ever listened to where would you roughly place the origins about how the forties thirties yeah I would know yeah goes back that far that's a long time there's a lot that's this world has changed quite a bit since then [Applause] it's a different world I get to relive my career vicariously through my son I have a 19 year old son who's a drummer and in his own band I think he's able to learn from a lot of the things I went through and it's a different world you know like the way I had to do it 30 years ago he's got to do it very differently these days for all the reasons that we're talking about here it's just a completely different world the Internet is the biggest biggest part of it so you just kind of have to you know roll with the punches and change with the times it's almost like if you have we can go in a time capsule and then let's up woman can do like their first or second or third album again what would they be you know it's very easy for new generations to to discover Led Zeppelin and the Beatles and all the great guitar groups which they seem to do even though let's be real the music industry if you only go by numbers and numbers don't lie it's it's very weak if you go by live gating rock guitar bands that represent that do very well okay so we're talking about two different things [Music] I believe Benz will always have a market to make a very good living and to get a lot of recognition but because everything is so widespread it's harder to become a singular voice so to speak that defines a generation how do you get to that level in today's marketplace there could only be one Beatles you know what happened what happened for Elvis can only ever happen once and then the Beatles came around and you have for Elvis's and then they changed everything and you know when things work when music was happening in the 50s 60s and 70s things were being done for the first time but now that you know now that we're 50 years into rock what could still be done that hasn't been done all I know is that I live in a rock music environment predominantly and it doesn't seem that dead to me you know people are coming to the concerts they're traveling long distance hundreds of miles to see a band so how can it be dead maybe it's not as new as it was in 1969 at the time of Woodstock or whatever I know in the early 60s or in the early 70s or at the time of the Beatles of course that that was more exciting so it was the first time these sounds were there now it's I in some cases more of the same people doing the same again and again in the beginning when a journey starts when something is discovered is red hot as red as orange it's all that but it's also wild and dangerous rock used to be like that in the days of even with the Beatles who were like four runners for all this and cream Hendrix came you know Led Zeppelin Rock was dangerous and I remember what it sounded like you know it sounded different back then although there were the same notes but we had never heard anything like that that was new you picked up at Utah you couldn't come up with things ahead that's not been done before how exciting it's not much ground to break it's just how you mix it up if the Beatles have come out today do you think they'd be as big as they would have been in the sense that there are so many artists today that have literally billions of hits on YouTube and I feel like they'll be forgotten it's like do you think it would have been the same with the Beatles this cultural thing that I mentioned there earlier how this the times were needing heroes I don't want in any way to diminish what I think is an incredible catalog of material and the way the Beatles how we grew with them but I don't really think a band if there was a version of the Beatles that came out now that could do great music it would be quite the same impact it was it was so much going on in the in our history of the world that made the Beatles a bore and hence we were Frank Sinatra kind of had a had to look at what was happening in the 60s and realized that coming out in the suit with his buddies as the Rat Pack you know and having a hell of a time and being king of the world all of a sudden this didn't seem as relevant you know I mean culture changes the marketplace changes we live in a world today that is more interconnected than ever before as such even a niche market can have a global outreach I think it is truly important for artists who are trying to make a name for themselves to possibly consider expanding their musical vocabulary and embracing different cultures many of the greatest artists have done this in the late 60s for example the Beatles famously lived in India for a period of time and their music was heavily influenced by Indian culture the Beatles wrote 48 songs in India Jack and Dina Pro Tottori engine now your album de rock Oh de musica alternativa in lingua portuguesa 2017 or uh for Jardine Kumar by the artist Nando race so that's what these things look like and anything you know a funny thing is no way it comes it comes a perk is opposed to do that Wow that's funny it is funny I'm an engineer I take things apart and then I put them together again did you learn that by accident no I did actually the thing just came unscrewed one day I've been to Brazil several times I've been to Chile many times I've been to Argentina and what seems to have been in common is that all these countries had military dictatorships and these were kind of controlled societies where you know the music that was available to them on on you know commercial radio and of course this was before the internet was kind of controlled all you could hear was the safe stuff and when these various dictatorships fell the young people suddenly had the whole history of pop you know the whole history of rock and roll suddenly was available to them and like for instance in Chile when Pinochet fell I was told this by a young shellay no some of the first music they heard was the Seattle music that I was doing here like Nirvana Mudhoney that sort of thing and it made a big impression on them it was sort of the sound of freedom if he will so they love their rock and roll in South America because it's the sound of dictatorships falling if you were still in music but not rock and roll is there another genre you would have explored well throughout my life I've just like I've bounced surrounded from genres like right in the last like a couple of years I've really gotten into folk music so but you know when I was in my 20s I've probably hated I didn't even know what folk music why knew what folk music was but I was like that'd be the furthest thing that I'd ever listened to as I got into my like mid-30s folk music became like this stuff's amazing so right now I'd probably go more into that like all country folk growing up we're all exposed to the John Denver Peter Paul and Mary the Bob Dylan Crosby Stills Nash and young and all the all the capillaries of that were acting I think that this just what kind of what we grew up on a lot of the time people ask and it's kind of weird because it's not really to us it's really misunderstood why did you decide you wanted to play rock music there we go we didn't really decide that they just kind of Heaven that's so that's the sound that's generated when we're all put together we play all types of music you do we don't just play all types of music country I'm from South Africa and I'm from continent of Africa and if you from that place you can't shake the influence you know the African is in you you know my cultural heritage yes I I do come from Germany but most of the time I've lived in England in my life I have German thinking patterns that I grew up with English thinking patterns are completely different and as I'm sure Armenian thinking pattern so if it's not just the thinking patterns as the emotional patterns everything is like in like a filter so I'm sure the Armenian tree has grown through this centuries or thousands of years and it's got its own brand of you know mental and psychic genetics all combined into one and that's of course the same with the German English I do find that fascinating does your background ever influence your music mm-hmm a little bit anything rhythmically you know it helps the pocket of North Africa to hang around the world and then you see like some rackets work there some records work here but I like to make music that works around the world and you know I'm not like oh I have to make one specific genre I won't have fun with it you know it's similar to food right the Italian can be your favorite kitchen but sometimes you also want some Chinese food my cultural background is Armenian I'll give it work in Armenia by chance I haven't and I haven't ever always welcome I've never heard from anyone from Armenia well now you have okay perfect perfect you know there must be some rock bands there that need some mastering I speak read and write army and fluently both my parents are Armenian my great-grandparents were survivors of the Armenian Genocide being Armenian is a big part of who I am and specifically when it comes to Armenian musical heritage there's one instrument in particular which I would argue is the definitive Armenian instrument this is an Armenian duduk it's an Armenian woodwind instrument and it's frequently used by the major film studios in Hollywood for their scores and various other artists an Armenian duduk is featured in the soundtracks for Game of Thrones Pirates of the Caribbean avatar gladiator Star Trek and many many more I've got one yeah but I've got a to do yeah it's a monster of a thing to clear [Music] do you ever incorporate elements of world music into your songwriting yeah since we did like the fourth legacy karma records we always infused New Age elements whether it be Greek ideas Celtic on the new record for example we have some more Eastern European stuff like Russian style when you're traveling and you see and experience these different cultures to be able to include that it's pretty cool what advice would you give to a young artist this is something that has stood the test of time the apprenticeship have been the musician you have to get out there you have to sweat it out you have to sleep in bushes and in form boxes you have to really suffer to to satisfy the muse really without sounding too pretentious and pompous you've got to really want to do it you've got to really want to be a musician it's it's kind of a constant struggle really to get there because you never know there's never a set path you can't just go to university and get your degree and come out and go right now I can work as a musician it doesn't it doesn't work like that for me it's been constant just constant knocking on doors and constant writing working as a terrible waitress so they're mentioned before and doing other things on the side to support making music every musician that I knew that was a peer of mine that was a friend of mine that I admired the people who were my heroes and my inspiration they all had day jobs every one of them right I was in a band for years I am in a band now I'm a I consider myself something of a musician but also my straight job is that I'm a recording engineer and that's true for a lot of my peers as well whenever I was playing music the red light was always on as we used to say I was used to always having some recording thing going on it was just a mic hanging from the wall anything you didn't have any proof that that you had actually played music if there wasn't a recording of it you know I had to have proof that I was actually maybe possibly becoming a musician to me I think when you approach something as a professional in a profession of you of a lot of work or what you don't you just know what you came in for and came and doing the hard times bad times losses doubts hate the whole wounds ill and it just depends on how fast you go it just depends on what you can take but you should be used to automatically be prepared for it because it's coming every day we do a meet and greet and we meet fans and they tell us about a song that might have helped them or save them so I find that responsibilities are very important as a person you can sit down and and think to yourself I'm actually good at what I do you know and then never seek the reason why you know and for me I think I kind of like seek the reason and I understood you know that the greatness is not for me but it's for me to share it and I always think about that when I meet other people and they talk about how some of our music might have helped them and I totally get that you know that's why I think it's really important what we do sometimes you know when I was a 12 years old my father passed away and then I got moved to live with an aunt and it was like super crappy you know what was it about rock music and metal that drew you towards that sound during that time in your life you know like it you know it is like some kids that are kind of outsiders so I think I was gravitated to that at some sort of outsider type of music the thing about rock-and-roll that is always connected with me is how loyal the fans are people who love rock music generally end up loving it for their whole lives for that reason the fact that rock and roll has such a deep connection to so many people I don't think rock and roll is ever gonna die [Applause] maybe some once you're done guys are really appreciate it I do have one last request on Friday after your concert I found this $20 bill on the floor I asked around and nobody said it was there so I was wondering if you could sign it for me of course well it's your lucky day you man Wow yeah so I am actually sign one these pills yeah yeah they're they're interesting it's not it's not the American style look hold on I'm going to sharpie sharpie we need to get this thing for trials and tribulations of being a rock star yeah strike two what happened dude dude dude uh-huh sort of hey that's good enough I finished it fantastic you know what there's a D that's uni mmm w in there a little bit also okay I'll sign well let's just know okay we're good try nice song there's the ads and there's the K and there is the I'm surprised they got that much out of mine okay there's those drummer hands right see that that's SK right there perf thank you Scott awesome thank you so much that I would I sign that yeah you got it to perfect every time guys appreciate it and then next time we have to remember sharp yeah [Music] [Applause]

Channel: Daniel Sarkissian

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Id: qMlLfrU5fjs

Length: 92min 30sec (5550 seconds)

Published: Fri May 10 2019