Richard Carrier, Rapture Day

story of how we ended up with rapture Day May 21 but I'm going to start a little bit theatrical because to understand these idea of doomsday we have to go all the way back to the first doomsday story I don't know if you immediately get which doomsday story I'm talking about this is the words of God I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights I will blot out from the face of the land every living thing that I have made then the flood came upon the earth for forty days the water prevailed more and more upon the earth so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered all flesh that moved on the earth perished birds and cattle and beasts and every swarming thing that swarms upon the earth and all mankind of all that was on the dry land all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life died thus he blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the land from man to animals to creeping things to end to the birds of the sky and they were blotted out from the earth God likes to repeat himself and it gets worse on the next slide only Noah was left together with those that were with him in the ark now before I move on I just have to point out some little uh problematic things all mankind died of course that's a problem and that's a that's another problem there's there's Eddie as our it has a joke where he says ducks must be evil because they would if they float and the purpose of the flood was to kill all the evil things because guy knew everything was evil so i'll you know dolphins must be evil you know because they weren't killed by the flood so watch out for those evil dolphins and apparently you know God was very upset he had regret after this you know like a wife-beater afterwards oh I'm so sorry and I read again and this is God and I will establish my covenant with you never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood nor shall there anymore be a flood to destroy the earth this is the token of the Covenant which I make between you between me and you and every living creature that is with you for perpetual generations forever I do set my rainbow in the cloud it's not that nice and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and the earth that when I bring a cloud over the earth the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud and I will remember my covenant God needs reminders and the rainbow is God's sticky note I guess don't kill men aah which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh and then the waters shall be shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh and the rainbow shall be in the cloud and I will look upon it that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth and Noah's going yes we get it god damn it and God said unto Noah this is the token of the Covenant which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth I'll never drown you people again okay so where does this idea there's this idea the fiery burn everybody this new idea of doomsday come from well it starts early on the sort of visionary a metaphorical maybe perhaps thinking and it comes very back you know like Prophet Nahum for example listen to this you know discussion of how great God is he'll rebuke the sea and make it dry he'll dry up all the rivers to Bashan and Carmel wither the blossoms of Lebanon wither mountains will quake because of him and the hills will dissolve the earth will be upheaved by his presence the world and all the inhabitants in it who can stand before his indignation who can endure the burning of his anger his wrath is poured out like fire and the rocks are broken up by him the Lord is good I'm going to talk a little bit about how as I I got this more literal interpretation of this kind of thinking in a moment but here's Isaiah lift up your eyes to the heavens and look at the earth beneath for the heavens will vanish like smoke the earth will wear away like an old garment and they who dwell in it will die like gnats but my salvation will be forever and my deliverance will never be ended then we get Malachi behold the day will come today I guess when it will burn like a furnace and all the proud and all that work wickedness shall be stubble and the day that comes shall burn them up burn them up says Jehovah of hosts until it shall leave them neither root nor branch but unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in its wings and you shall go forth and Gamble as calves in the stall and you shall tread down the wicked for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I choose says Jehovah of hosts now you shall tread down the wicked for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet and sounds very familiar right oh right so what is with this Skull Crushing fantasies well there's a lot of passages in the Bible that show and you could look at the whole book of Joshua for example where the Jews does come in they've got as promised on this land they come in and they just freaking murder everybody I mean they they kill women children it's genocide essentially and they had this doctrine this idea that they were the chosen ones of God the chosen ones of the world and they were essentially the master race and everyone should eventually bow down to them and that was their expectation and if you doubt me I'll read Zachariah and this shall be the plague we're by Jehovah will smite all the peoples that have Ward against Jerusalem their flesh shall rot away while they stand upon their feet and their eyes shall rot away in their sockets and their tongue shall rot away in their mouth how about a hyper specificity here but I mean if you rot you rot but anyway and the same plague shall befall the horse the mule of the camel the ass and all the beasts that shall be in their camps and it shall come to pass that anyone that is left of all the nations that came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the king Jehovah of hosts and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles and it shall be that whoever of all the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the king Jehovah Zahav hosts upon them there shall be no rain and if the family of Egypt go not up and come not neither shall rain be not upon them again God likes to repeat himself they'll be that plague - whereby Jehovah will smite the nation's that go not up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles this shall be the punishment of all the nations that go not up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles hello they did they really have this idea that they were going to rule all nations that all nations are going to bow to Israel and they were going to the master race in charge of everybody unfortunately now mind you they this is what they think we think the God of the universe has chosen them to rule the world and here let me see if I can they're like here and mind you this this little laser dot is way huger than their actual kingdom and then the Persians come along and you see the yellow the Persians conquer this massive empire and then of course the Persians come and completely stomp Israel and they go into captivity now you might wonder where the Jews got a lot of their ideas that infected Christianity as well about these ideas of doomsday well they come from Zoroastrian ISM and Darrell ray actually mentioned this religion you can google it and learn about it's really weird in many respects but it was the national religion of the Persian Empire so if I hop back there all that yellow that was the raster antara Torre and Zoroastrian ISM had its own doomsday teaching and drafts rainism had this idea of a great cosmic war of good versus evil light versus dark our modern idea of Satan as the enemy of God nur they're at war against each other this is a raster Ian's idea comes from Zoroastrianism the idea that there's a hell that people burn in the idea that good people will wait in heaven for a future resurrection this is is a raster Ian's belief the idea that a river of fire will be sent by God that will flow over the universe burning burning everything up even Hell itself that comes from Syrian ISM and the idea that God would then build a new better world in its place Zoroastrianism and the idea that all good people will be resurrected God will like rebuild their bodies and resurrect them and make their bodies immortal and they'll live in that new world happily ever after xur a streon belief of course the Jews once they were in captivity learned all these great things a they're God's better than ours no no our God's better than theirs so therefore our God is going to do that for us good luck burning in hell you Persian scum but that's not what happened the Jews were expecting of course God would come in and and punish Persia and of course every all peoples would worship and bow down at Jerusalem but no unfortunately the one nation that actually did succeed in preventing Persia from taking it over wasn't Israel who had the god of the universe protecting it but the Greeks so the Greeks actually repelled Persia and this is actually a beginning of the sort of decline of the Persian Empire and I'm introducing the Greeks here for particular reason because that's where science comes from incidentally so the culture that invented science is the culture that actually had God's protection against the Persians but you can use that argument against your Christian and really annoy him in this book the Christian delusion I have two chapters the last chapter in which I talk about Christian attitudes towards science and ancient science how it really was and why the thing I'm going to talk about the moment I discuss it in this book if you're curious about looking at the the sources and where it comes from we get to Aristotle now Aristotle gives us the first in history the first scientific argument for doomsday and it actually kind of makes a little bit of sense the Aristotle observed that the Arts and Sciences had not reached the end of their progress he says so much more to learn there's so much more perfect they could be he also reasoned that nothing can be created or destroyed since only nothing can come from nothing we've recently discovered that it's probably not the case but anyway Aristotle is just getting started and he's like Freud to psychologies he's wrong about a lot of stuff but he started it but he said you know if nothing can come from nothing nothing can be created or destroyed therefore the universe must always have existed and he had some other arguments scientific arguments for that conclusion as well but if the universe has always existed the Arts and Sciences would have reached total perfection by now we'd be exploring the galaxy or you know or whatever therefore the world must suffer periodic cataclysms that throw men back into the Stone Age so they have to rediscover everything all over again and this is Aristotle's argument that there have to be these Cataclysm there must be scientifically or else we would be you know at year infinity in technological development today but we're not and he was kind of right because the Dark Ages are actually an example of that kind of Cataclysm where a lot of the advances technological and scientific that were made in the ancient world were lost and had to be discovered so Aristotle was you know not completely off his rocker it just wasn't a cataclysm it was just Christians but anyway now Aristotle and Zoroastrianism were mixing at this timing of philosophy and Zoroastrianism Greek ideas and we got this in pagan religion a doomsday idea and the greco-roman pagan religions had their own doomsday notion and in writers like Virgil and Lucretia Sui here about a day when the world will burn up and but it might be like 10,000 years from now or 25,000 years there there was a scientist who calculated that the the the earth actually wobbles like a top when you spin a top and but not only is it spinning but it's also like making a slow rotating motion I don't if you can see my hand have you ever seen a top do that that's called precession well the earth precesses as well and it actually carves a circle out where that shifts all the the signs and the zodiac and they do a complete rotation every 25,000 years he calculated you got it down much more precisely than that and so some people thought oh that must be when the world will burn out in every twenty five thousand years but neat neat point the point to make here is they didn't say it's going to happen any day now they said that it's a long way away but it'll happen and then it'll cool back down and start all over again and philosophers like Stoics and Epicureans they only debated whether the universe would run exactly the same each time so like if Socrates at 901 am tripped over a frog or something that then it would keep repeating every time you have a Socrates you trip over the same frog in exactly the same way the Epicureans didn't Oh it'll be different he'll trip over something else instead anyway that's uh that's how that comes out now we get uh we get to the Christian doomsday and this is from the New Testament and you'll see it has a lot of these ideas of these pagan notions and these Rashtriya notions only that it's going to happen any day now like it's imminent no this first that in the last days mockers shall come with their mockery saying where is the promise of his coming for everything continues as it had from the beginning of creation ah but they willfully forget that there were heavens from of old and an earth compacted out of water and amidst water by the Word of God and by that same means the world that then was being overflowed with water also perished but the heavens that now are and the earth by the same word had been stored up for fire being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men so the Bible says the world was destroyed before so obviously it's going to happen again if you get the fallacy their own let you ruminate on it and he continues but forget not this one thing dears that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day so the Lord is not slack concerning his promise as some count slackness but is long-suffering toward you he's putting up with you not wishing that any should perish doesn't really want that to happen he's gonna do it anyway but that all should come to repentance but the day of the Lord will come as a thief when the heavens shall pass away with a great noise and the elements will be dissolved with fervent heat and the earth and the works therein shall be burned up seeing that these things are all to be dissolved like this what manner of persons ought you be so look for and earnestly desire the coming of the day of God so the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved and the elements shall melt with fervent Heat because according to his promise we look for a new heavens and a new earth were in shall dwell righteousness of course subtext here now Jesus of course said this generation shall not pass away until all these things be accomplished and he just himself summarized his own apocalyptic predictions which of course didn't happen but in Christian delusion John Loftus has a chapter titled Jesus was a failed apocalyptic prophet and so if you want the decisive Rhett demonstration of that that's in that book but his interesting thing to point out is they were expecting the world to be burned up any moment now and we're preaching things like I just read to you and it was supposed to happen so by the time we get to 64 ad it's been like 30 years and supposedly that prediction was made and it's not coming to pass and we hear about Christians the the Rome the city of Rome burns burns down and there were claims that Nero did it to build a new palace or something like that but what Nero and the government said is that the Christians are to blame and they actually hauled in Christians and interrogated them and torture them like waterboarding because you know that works and and they and many of the Christians confessed they said they did it now a lot of people think well this is just you know a kangaroo court and so forth but there's there's some reason to think that it might have actually been true because the Christians are expecting the world to be burned at any moment now it's not happening we just saw earlier demonstrations of they'll resort to violence to try and make things happen if it's not going to plan so it's actually conceivable that Christians actually did try to set the world on fire and of course got caught or it's possible that they were preaching this stuff and then of course the pagans are saying well they're preaching about the world's going to burn up any moment now look the world burning up so obviously the Christians did it either way you can see the plausible course of action from what happened so it's something to think about but you know we don't have enough evidence either way but why Christianity I mean I've just read stuff from the Jewish holy day wasn't the Jewish apocalypse already good enough why did we need Christianity well the fact of the matter is in the first century AD when Christianity started it was actually a wash with a sudden Messiah fever there's Messiah fever ever everybody's claiming to be the Messiah and we have books like the parables of Enoch we have the Dead Sea Scrolls that are filled with these expectations it's going to happen any moment now the Christ is on his way John the Baptist and Simon Magus were both claimed or claimed to be the Messiah or the harbinger of the Messiah Josephus a historian of this period writes about a variety of these Masonic pretenders and the Jewish war itself we have several sources corroborating this the Jews actually started the Jewish war in an attempt to bring upon the apocalypse they actually it was based on this prophecy that the Messiah would come during a certain particular war and so they actually Ward against Rome to do this so the war was actually caused by these messianic apocalyptic beliefs now with all these people claiming to be the one is it really any surprise that one of them would get a successful cult going it shouldn't be let me talk about Josephus Josephus mentions several leave these guys I'm going to talk about three of them because they're the most significant and the first I'm gonna give you some backstory you know the book of Joshua you know Joshua's and with Moses right-hand man Joshua actually is Jesus though those names are identical Bibles translate them differently but they're actually the exact same name so whenever you read Joshua read Jesus it's every time it says Joshua it's actually says the text actually says Jesus so it's important to know that because these are the things that we learn about these messianic pretenders in the time of Josephus one of them was called the Samaritan now the Samaritan actually tried to gather a bunch of people on Mount Gerizim in Samaria promising to uncover the secret things of God and the thing is but and he said before and what happens is the first Jesus the Joshua the first Jesus he actually did the same thing he gathered everybody to worship at Mount Gerizim before crossing the Jordan to basically destroy the Canaanites and conquer the nation of Israel so this is actually a very Masonic thing to do it is to recreate what the first Jesus did but which happened right before conquest and re conquering the Holy Land and so that that's a politically significant statement now another one was thewe das he said he actually went around saying that he was going to part the Jordan and that was how he gathered followers and it's important to note that the first Jesus Joshua the first Jesus also did this he parted the Jordan magically before crossing again to create the nation of Israel so this is a apocalyptic messianic claim and then we have the Egyptian the Egyptian preached from the Mount of Olives which we know the Messiah was expected to do from Old Testament prophecy and he claimed he would fell the walls of Jerusalem just like the walls of Jericho had been now I once again this is what the first Jesus did in his first battle after crossing the Jordan was dropped the walls of Jericho so again this is a messianic claim he's basically saying I'm the new Jesus every one of these guys is saying that I'm the new Jesus I'm trying to recreate what the first Jesus did I'm the next Jesus as the last Jesus we're going to bring this stuff on now note our Jesus the New Testament Jesus also parts the Jordan in a sense he's baptized in it our Jesus also visited Mount Gerizim and that's in John the Gospel of John Jesus also preached on the Mount of Olives just as the Messiah was expected to according to Zechariah 14 so we have a lot of parallels here these are there's a lot of connections between these particular guys now several of these guys did foolish things and got themselves killed by the Romans just like our Jesus did yet the expectation was and you hear this often was that the Messiah should be a victorious super warrior a king of kings he's completely invincible so there are two ways to look at this did they foolishly think God had their back like they were going to be invincible or did they actually expect to get killed now why would they expect to get killed well we actually have a prophecy in Daniel it says in the Old Testament this is the Scriptures of God which actually says point blank the Christ shall be killed even though there is no judgment upon him then the city and the sanctuary will be torn down by the ruler who will come they will be knocked down in a cataclysm until the end when after a war wreaks havoc there will be a systematic extermination and it goes on to describe basically they're going to have the general resurrection and the new paradise will result so we already have this clear statement that the Messiah was expected to be killed even though he's innocent and that this would assure in the apocalypse the end of the world we have other references to this in Psalms 8938 the Messiah God's servant actually has the word Messiah there says it'll be cast off by God and allowed to die by the hands of his enemies so their own scriptures are predicting this thing's going to happen now I also have Isaiah 53 where it point-blank says God's servant will be killed even though innocent sound familiar and his death will atone for all the sins of Israel and there's a lot of other passages in there talking about him bringing the gospel if you look at his eye of 53 it's basically a roadmap for writing the Gospels it's basically the Gospel story and minature already now a lot of Christians will say well no that one the the Christians later interpreted as ayah 53 the Jews weren't doing this the Jews didn't see that as miss cyanic but that's actually not true the Talmud says as ayah 53 is about the Messiah and records a rabbinical debate over whether he had indeed already died we have a first century targum which is kind of like a commentary and paraphrase of the Old Testament that actually has the word Messiah in verse in Isaiah 53 so it actually clearly thought it was Messiah s Messiah and we have a Dead Sea pecheur which is another kind of like a commentary it explicitly identifies the servant of a sign of 53 with the Messiah of Daniel 9 that Messiah is going to die just before assuring in the apocalypse so this has whole nexus of documents that clearly several Jews many Jews at this time we're looking at and believing and understanding that the this new Christ he's going to come he's going to get killed his death is going to tone for the sins of Israel and then the apocalypse is going to happen so when you look back those guys doing those foolish things getting themselves killed it might not look any more like they're expecting God will have their back it might look like they're actually trying to get themselves killed to usher in the apocalypse now remember Christ just means Messiah and as we just saw earlier many people in the same generation are claiming to be the new Jesus Joshua the new Jesus and Messiah in other words lots of people and this very period in early 1st century are claiming to be the new Jesus Christ so we've got Jesus Christ's everywhere now why why this is ayah 53 passage and connecting it to Daniel 9 why is that important note this thing that the death of the Messiah will atone for the sins of Israel now note and throughout the Old Testament it is their sins the sins of the Jews for which God keeps holding back his promise whenever he says you know I'm going to you know kill all your enemies and make you rulers of the world and the prophets whine and go why haven't you done this yet why haven't you done this yet he always says because you're sinners and when you stop sinning well then I'll do it so a Jesus Christ who dies to atone for all those sins is exactly what is needed to clear the way for doomsday because once you cancel the sins then God no longer has that excuse and now the timetable can start so the whole gospel looks like a you know homemade designed apocalyptic cult based on the Old Testament Scriptures and there were lots of people trying to start these exact same religions like Christianity based on the same underlying principles but why is everybody claiming to be Jesus Christ and trying to get himself killed at this exact time in history why why the early first century what's going on there well let's look at Daniel 9 again another section of it where it says seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city to finish transgression and to make an end of sins make a note of that and to make reconciliation for iniquity and to bring in everlasting righteousness remember what Peter was saying and to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most from the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem to the Christ shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks and after that sixty-two weeks shall oh Christ be killed then the evil one will make a covenant with many for one week and in the midst of that week he shall cause the sacrifice to end until the full end when wrath will be poured out upon the desolate so here we have a sort of apocalyptic timetable with actual numbers in it and the weeks are supposed to be understood as days of years so it's like seven years each week is seven years and we have in the Dead Sea Scrolls in the century before the time of Jesus they show attempts to work out this is before Christianity attempts to work out what date these numbers point to using week to mean seven years and trying out different calendars and by one method which we have in a later Christian source it works out to exactly thirty ad so is it any surprise that's guess what that's exactly when Jesus is supposed to have been killed so all that suicidal Jesus Christ mania was caused by a doomsday timetable laid out in the Jewish book of the prophet Daniel now what was supposed to happen what did Daniel say what is his prediction for the course of events according to Daniels timetable the Messiah was to appear around thirty ad or somewhere around there depending on your calculations then be killed despite his innocence then Jerusalem would be destroyed by an evil Prince that's what Daniel says then in just a few years after that God's wrath will be poured out and the resurrection would begin and everybody would live happily ever after and then it's all righteous gambling on the ashen skulls of our enemies in other words everyone was claiming to be Jesus could try Jesus Christ trying to get themselves killed to start a war that would usher in God's apocalypse so we can all stop waiting to live happily ever after already now does this political strategy sound eerily familiar to anyone and for those of you with iPhones and iPads I say I'm telling you now Google Armageddon Lobby and you'll find some disturbing things if you're not already hip to this as I'm sure many of you are it's going on now at the same interference with the public policy is engaging to sort of bring on the apocalypse doing the same kind of thing but it didn't happen there was no gambling on the ashen skulls of their enemies oops and this of course has been happening again and again and again throughout history there's there's hundreds of these Christianity a certain it's going to happen now it doesn't happen certain it's gonna happen now doesn't happen for two thousand years and there's two good books on this a history of the end of the world and the continuum history of apocalypticism those books sort of give you all the background in all the different cases but the thing is the punchline isn't even what I've summed up to this point is what Andre Lecoq wrote this book a commentary on the Book of Daniel and he's not the only one he didn't come up with this this is an idea that was well understood throughout the scholarly community but he gives the best articulation of it Daniel was originally a failed prophecy because Daniel the Book of Daniel was forged around the Year 165 BC and passed off as a prophetic book from around 500 BC and the evidence for this is pretty conclusive its original timetable was intended to predict quote-unquote the end of the world in 164 BC during the Hasmonean resistance to Greek occupation rather than as in 30 AD the Roman occupation but it didn't happen so everyone tried reinterpreting the data in the time table and that's what we see in the Dead Sea Scrolls are trying to figure out why Daniel couldn't be wrong and one such result pegged the 30s ad is the correct time the latest such result pegged today is the correct time has Jesus shown up yet by the way tick tick tock tick tock but that's not even a funny bit no Daniel was trying to fix another failed prophecy this is what Daniel this is Daniel one the Daniel 9 the first verses of it I Daniel understood by the scriptures the number of the years according to the word of Jehovah that came to Jeremiah the Prophet for bringing to pass the doomsday of Jerusalem as being 70 years and I set my face unto the Lord God to seek by prayer and supplications with fasting and sackcloth and ashes in order to ask him what the this is Jeremiah's doomsday prophecy so we're going back there for saith Jehovah of hosts as punishment for your sins you and other nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years notably this is when the Babylonians had conquered the Jews but almost immediately after that the Persians came in conquered Babylon and the Jews again so even the serving of Babylon is false because of the Babylon the Babylonians were conquered by the Persian so this prophecy is way off base even from the out of the gate nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years and when seventy years are done then I will punish the king of Babylon and his whole nation for their crimes I will make it desolate forever and likewise all the kingdoms of the whole world which were upon the face of the earth Jehovah will roar from on high against all the inhabitants of the earth and Jehovah will judge all flesh and the wicked will be put to the sword and the slain of Jehovah shall be on that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth they shall not be lamented neither gathered nor buried they shall be as dung upon the face of the ground that's that's an example of I should have put that Nazi flag in here again that didn't happen and so Daniel is this this prophecy is very clear I mean if that's a problem with very clear policies is there guaranteed to fail it didn't come to pass so Daniel is like in anguish over this and reinterprets it and that's where you get the daniele like prophecy ought where God says oh no I meant 70 weeks of years not about 70 years there's miscommunication textual error or something I don't know uh but that prophecy didn't work out so people tried to recalculate the math and got Christianity essentially so this is the to recap basically around 600 BC Jeremiah witnesses his master race get its ass kicked by the Babylonians and Persians and ask God what the and God says it will last only 70 years then God will reward his master race by call accosting the rest of the world when that doomsday didn't occur and the Jews were getting their asses kicked yet again by the Greeks someone faked a prophecy from Daniel around 165 BC in which God says oh I meant 70 weeks of years when that doomsday didn't occur everyone tried using different calendars and calculations to get Daniel not to be wrong and many came up with a date in the first century AD conveniently right when the Jews got sold out to the Romans this time so so the Jews believing they are the master race who are promised by their God they drool the whole world and gamble on the ashen skulls of their enemies keep getting stomped on and ruled by their enemies again and again and again at last Daniel could be stretched to mean sometime in the first century AD the Christ would be executed and a war would soon follow in which the Jews would get their asses kicked for just the last time and then the end would finally come in just a few years after that so everyone tried being that Christ tried getting killed but no war followed and when war when a war finally did follow there was no gambling on the skulls of their enemies in the midst of all this one of those Christ's managed to inspire a following that survived his death and their movement became what we call Christianity they kept their apocalyptic claims alive by various devices sure it would come any minute now because after all their Christ had been killed exactly as Daniel predicted and Daniel can't be wrong even though he didn't say any of those things because the book is forgery then a lucky turn came Paul said God had told him told me in a dream God had told him you don't have it you don't even have to be Jews you can be adopted into the master race which kind of eliminates the whole master race idea and it's more about the moral community weaker you create rather than the actual doomsday thing anyway although that's sure to come any minute now it's still sure to come any minute now after 2,000 years has Jesus shown up yet no tick tock tick tock so a failed prophecy from 600 BC causes a fake prophecy to be forged in 165 BCE that reinterprets the earlier failed prophecy but that also fails so people try recalculating from that fake prophecy which failed also and get dates in the first century which leads to a fad of Jesus Christ's everywhere trying to get killed which causes Christianity and they've been recalculating again and again after failure after failure as doomsday keeps not turning up for 2,000 years and still going this could well be the longest-running delusion in history spanning over 2,500 years despite being decisively refuted hundreds of times I want to emphasize that so do you think it will have finally happened this I mean Jesus Christ so what's the cure what do we do well I have a solution for that I've written manuals to help you and since this is my only source of income now please buy them no really I really appreciate it a lot I can't make a living at this but I can at least justify my my life to my wife you know I bringing in some money I bring in some not a lot well what are what are these books um not the impossible faith up on the upper left there that book is again about the origins of Christianity you hear more about this how is ayah 53 predicts you know basically everything in the gospel and various other aspects of the ancient world but each chapter in that can be used as a way to defeat an argument that you will hear often one of them is for example the Christians would never make up a story about women being witnesses to the empty tomb because no one trusted the testimony of women back then which is completely false and if you want to see the proof that it's false with all the citations and all the evidence and all the scholarship I have a chapter for you in that and there's there's 18 chapters in all so it's a good little manual when you run into these arguments you can actually go in there but also at the same time I'm completely trashing this Christian apologist who's a complete idiot and so it's a lot of fun as well so as you get it you get entertained as well as informed and then the Christian delusion on the on the lower left that's I have two chapters in that but there are many chapters in it and it's really awesome one of my favorites is by Hector Avalos where he proves that the Nazi platform the entire plan of the Nazis actually is point by point by point Martin Luther's plan not darwin's you can't find any of those points in Darwin so when you hear this idea that that Darwinism caused the Nazi Holocaust no no it was it was Protestantism sorry and he did so brilliant it's so its onion tart you against it it's worth getting but all the chapters in this are awesome and there again they're their actual case studies you can use you can you know sits there you can use them to argue against Christians it reminds me of a you know you know the back end black bit on The Daily Show he I saw one of his comedy routines and he says he carries a false fell around in his pocket so when he runs into a creationist spewing his stuff he pulls it out he goes fossil um well that's what you can do with Christian delusion there's lots of interesting chapters in there on that um but on the other side of things on the other side of the screen nonsense and goodness without God that's a different take that's actually what you should believe it's instead of attacking religion it's a complete worldview for like what I think atheists should believe or at least the start of it even if you want to fix it or improve it this is the place to start and work it out so I have a complete philosophy of life there which you know is I think the correct way to go and of course there's no apocalyptic gods in it it leads to say and the book underneath why I'm not a Christian that just came out recently in that I basically show in a really thin volume why the book on top makes a lot more sense of the world than Christianity does and it does it in a really quick short way so I'm sure maybe at least one or two of things will be of interest to you and also you could you know just give you know real shameless plug here you could buy more and like give them to libraries and to Christian friends and stuff okay I'll stop being shameless so anyway okay I'm astonished okay that's excellent its sequel by the way is coming out in July the end of Christianity and it is a decisive killer punch I think but anyway you can look for that okay I'm done so

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Length: 36min 32sec (2192 seconds)

Published: Tue Jun 21 2011